chedapalooza
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baldymcgee said:
Good. Large prostate causes bladder issues and increases risk of prostate cancer. Dht I'm not well versed in, but u don't want high levels of it.
New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !
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Good. Large prostate causes bladder issues and increases risk of prostate cancer. Dht I'm not well versed in, but u don't want high levels of it.
mattrag
Legend
Hmm.... double edged sword here? Lower test/DHT but prostate size reduction? Hmm... I could see this being beneficial on TRT if you are going in with prostate issues.
baldymcgee
Member
"ursolic acid treatment resulted in significant reductions in prostate weight and testosterone and DHT levels in both the serum and prostate"
truthornothin
Well-known member
Trust me when you get my age its a plus, sometimes I stand at the urinal for a minute before I can get a stream started, the urso does help, Its been a lot easier to take a piss and I don't wake up at night as much needing to go
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
i would call it irrelevant for the most part, and a study done at the "korea institute of oriental medicine" is not way up there on my spectrum of reliability to begin with
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
they used castrates.
and they found the same for finasteride in this study (lowers DHT and testosterone in serum). but guess what, finasteride in human adult males with normal HPTA acutally has shown to increase testosterone. So be careful how you interepret this study
truthornothin
Well-known member
Question, I do have a mild case of bph, I guess most of us get this as we get older. I have noticed several interesting things about it. When I used ephedra, it was worse, or at least the symptoms associated with it were worse, extreme difficulty in starting a stream. The symptoms subsided immediately upon cessation of the ephedra. Conversely I have noticed that when I am on Ursobolic the flow is much better. According to some information I have found
These high blood pressure meds ease the symptoms of bph, Ephedra raises my BP, conversely Ursolic acid use has lowered it 5-10 points. I wonder if the higher bp somehow and for lack of a better word " Inflates " the prostate and makes symptoms worse.
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
ephedra is an alpha1-agonist so it is doing the opposite of the alpha1 blockers you mention. thats your problem. the BP elevation is not directly involved here
truthornothin
Well-known member
Ah, I never new that. I knew that it really made it hard to go but never knew the reason...that clears that up. At least it wasn't my imagination.
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
just to clarify, ephedrine is not a direct alpha agonist but rather increases the activity of endogenous noradrenaline at these receptors
T-Bone
Banned
I have been keeping my calories up higher while taking ursobolic. My strength is going up still. I will say I have gained a little fat but my same size pants still fit good. This is stuff is great at higher caloric levels. I noticed the dizziness again last night. It was after I ate a 10.6 oz porterhouse steak and took 7 urso. I only took 7 because I was at the end of the bottle and had an odd number left. My usual dosage is 6 caps 3 times a day. Anyway shortly after taking the urso I started feeling really dizzy and tired. So I waited as long as I could- about 1 hour and had a protein drink with some natty pb. That seemed to help somewhat. Anyway I think I'm gonna keep taking this stuff as long as I can afford too. If I was eating this much without taking it I would probably be much fatter. As long as I budget it in I should be fine. Hopefully it is safe long term.
mattrag
Legend
Nice update
I take mine at 5 pills 3x a day and I pretty much notice I am not gaining weight at above maintenance calories. Im liking it. Keeping my gains from my cycle as well it seems. Win x2 IMO.
T-Bone
Banned
Nice update
I take mine at 5 pills 3x a day and I pretty much notice I am not gaining weight at above maintenance calories. Im liking it. Keeping my gains from my cycle as well it seems. Win x2 IMO.
Oh I am gaining, just not much fat. Some though.
truthornothin
Well-known member
This time I have gained a lot of size not as much leaning but some serious muscle growth after not working out for a month
T-Bone
Banned
Yeah I think it is best used with a higher caloric intake. The soreness I was getting is now gone since I've raised my calories. Also been gaining strength and some size. I had an extra large t-shirt sent to me and now it is getting tight. I'm more comfortable in lose fitting clothing. Tight shirts/cloths are for gay guys. I like the ladies. I'm married though so I only like one lady.
truthornothin
Well-known member
Nice recovery T-Bone lol, the old lady must check out the boards on occasion. I am not gay, but I like clothes that fit, not tight but not so loose that you cannot tell I work out. Actually truth be told I kinda sorta dress the way my gf recommends. I'm a dude after all what do I know about clothes? She's the one I'm trying to impress so I wear what she likes to see me in. She would look good in a burlap sack(yes I am lucky). All my clothes are getting too tight for comfort now. I've really upped my leg workouts and my thighs and glutes are growing like mad. The boys are running out of room lol Urso does love the calories
mattrag
Legend
Hehe, yea I am finding that a lot more of these newer products require us to actually eat more. Anabeta making better use of food, the new Compound 20 which needs food as well I hear, and this stuff. I'm liking it though.. I like food.
Good progress on fitting that shirt more fully
T-Bone
Banned
There is a fine line though between eating enough and eating too much. Sometimes at the gym when I'm working I'm thinking "I could definitely eat more and be fine". Then at home later I'm thinking, "Oh crap I hope I didn't push it too far in the calories department.". Don't know maybe that's just me though.
mattrag
Legend
LMAO!
Yea my legs are getting HUGE. I can't attribute all of it to Urso, but I do know that it's amazing at allowing me to recomp better.
T-Bone, what kind of diet are you using? Higher fat? BB diet? Etc?
T-Bone
Banned
I have been following Invalid Link Removed since 2001. There are a few super human radio shows with the author on it. You should check it out.
mattrag
Legend
Ah yes, I have used versions of this diet as well. I can't remember why but something about the CKD and not being the best for fat loss. More like controlled carb and carb loads were a little better because you don't have to make drastic substrate fuel switches. Either way, seems like you like it
. I've used the Ultimate diet 2.0 as well... that diet is actually easy for me... just the carb ups suck... and the work load is ridiculous... (Specially cause I'm a strength minded gym goer who needs to push heavy weight to feel alive lol)
T-Bone
Banned
Ah yes, I have used versions of this diet as well. I can't remember why but something about the CKD and not being the best for fat loss. More like controlled carb and carb loads were a little better because you don't have to make drastic substrate fuel switches. Either way, seems like you like it
I've used the Ultimate diet 2.0 as well... that diet is actually easy for me... just the carb ups suck... and the work load is ridiculous... (Specially cause I'm a strength minded gym goer who needs to push heavy weight to feel alive lol)
I wouldn't call it a CKD diet. Its a phase shift diet. There really is only one version. Well unless your counting The Radical diet which is just a very low calorie version of the Metabolic Diet. I'm a little anal about the specifics since I've been on it for so long. The metabolic diet is the only diet for me. To tell you the truth if I wasn't on it I'd be eating carbs 24/7 so for me it is the best for fat loss. At least it is a diet I can handle long term. It has worked so there really is no real reason for me to change.
AaronJP1
Board Sponsor
mattrag said:Hehe, yea I am finding that a lot more of these newer products require us to actually eat more. Anabeta making better use of food, the new Compound 20 which needs food as well I hear, and this stuff. I'm liking it though.. I like food.
Good progress on fitting that shirt more fully
Funny u mention. I think the c 20 is similar to this ursobolic product.
I have some AnaBeta coming, I've always wanted to try it....
truthornothin
Well-known member
Similar in that there may have some ursolic acid in it they don't say how much, there are also some chocolate constituents in there. Its all in the good old "proprietary blend" smoke screen...you have no idea how much of what, and they ain't gonna tell you
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T-Bone
Banned
Well I am sick AGAIN. This time however it is worse than last time. I barely have had the energy to even get up out of bed the past few days. It has also been difficult to eat. Went to the doctor this time and was given a few different meds including some azithromycin. I've got one refill because he said that sinus infections can be difficult to get rid of sometimes. It started off as just a cold and now is complicated by a sinus infection which makes the cold symptoms worse and last longer. Today is day 3 on the azithromycin and I'm still coughing and tired but have slightly more energy that yesterday. Yesterday I slept for around 15 hours and then was falling asleep all day. This sucks. Someone needs to make a supplement that will prevent me from getting sick. I'm still taking most of my supplements including the Urso. Hopefully I don't lose much progress.
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
I think i have mentioned it to you already but you dont listen
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[h=3]Source[/h]Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Pathology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, 1101 East Marshal Street, Richmond, VA 23298-0768, USA. [email protected]
[h=3]Abstract[/h]beta Androstenes steroid up-regulates immunity to increase resistance against lethal infection and lethal radiation, and mediates a rapid recovery of hematopoietic precursor cells after radiation injury. beta Androstenetriol increases the levels of the TH(1) cytokines, IL-2, IL-3, IFN gamma and counteracts hydrocortisone mediated immune suppression. In contrast, 17 alpha androstenediol inhibits proliferation and mediates apoptosis in tumor cells of murine and human origin. Its epimer 17beta androstenediol does not. The antiproliferative functions of 17 alpha androstenediol are not dependent on either the estrogen or androgen receptors. Our findings show that beta androstenes and analogs protect the host from lethal infection by DNA or RNA viruses such as, herpesvirus type 2, coxsackievirus B4, influenza, and arthropod borne viruses. These androstenes also protected the host from lethal bacterial infections by Enterococcus faecalis, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, and Klebsiella pneumonia and from parasites infections, i.e. Cryptosporidium parvum, and malaria. In vivo, the level of potency follows the order: dehydroepiandrosterone<<<androstenediol<androstenetriol with the latter being up to one hundred thousand times more potent in protecting the host from infections than the first. In vitro, their effects are also dramatically different from one another with only beta androstenetriol potentiating the cellular response by increasing lymphocyte activation and counteracting hydrocortisone immune-suppressive activity. Conceptually, the androstenes form a new and different subclass of steroid hormones with unique physiological properties. Following host injury, the balance between the epimers and isomers is a determining factor in the overall regulation of hematopoiesis, TH(l)/TH(2) balance, and host resistance to infections and tumor growth.
[h=3]Source[/h]Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Pathology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, 1101 East Marshal Street, Richmond, VA 23298-0768, USA. [email protected]
[h=3]Abstract[/h]beta Androstenes steroid up-regulates immunity to increase resistance against lethal infection and lethal radiation, and mediates a rapid recovery of hematopoietic precursor cells after radiation injury. beta Androstenetriol increases the levels of the TH(1) cytokines, IL-2, IL-3, IFN gamma and counteracts hydrocortisone mediated immune suppression. In contrast, 17 alpha androstenediol inhibits proliferation and mediates apoptosis in tumor cells of murine and human origin. Its epimer 17beta androstenediol does not. The antiproliferative functions of 17 alpha androstenediol are not dependent on either the estrogen or androgen receptors. Our findings show that beta androstenes and analogs protect the host from lethal infection by DNA or RNA viruses such as, herpesvirus type 2, coxsackievirus B4, influenza, and arthropod borne viruses. These androstenes also protected the host from lethal bacterial infections by Enterococcus faecalis, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, and Klebsiella pneumonia and from parasites infections, i.e. Cryptosporidium parvum, and malaria. In vivo, the level of potency follows the order: dehydroepiandrosterone<<<androstenediol<androstenetriol with the latter being up to one hundred thousand times more potent in protecting the host from infections than the first. In vitro, their effects are also dramatically different from one another with only beta androstenetriol potentiating the cellular response by increasing lymphocyte activation and counteracting hydrocortisone immune-suppressive activity. Conceptually, the androstenes form a new and different subclass of steroid hormones with unique physiological properties. Following host injury, the balance between the epimers and isomers is a determining factor in the overall regulation of hematopoiesis, TH(l)/TH(2) balance, and host resistance to infections and tumor growth.
truthornothin
Well-known member
I can vouch, I've used it this cold and flu season and while all my co-workers are dropping like flies I have not had so much as a sniffle. And I have always been good for at least one raging sinus infection every 3 or four months or so, this stuff works
mattrag
Legend
truthornothin
Well-known member
Yes heal up and order the spray, it helps on all kinds of levels including fat lossFeel better man! And maybe try out that spray
truthornothin
Well-known member
How much sleep are you getting? big factor in immunity and recovery
T-Bone
Banned
Not enough. I've been having trouble getting to sleep because I'm up all night coughing. Once I finally fall asleep though I sleep well. A day or two ago I went to sleep at 12:30 am and didn't get out of bed till 1 pm and was still tired. I hate sleeping all day though so I get up even though I'm tired. It took all my energy today just to take a shower.
truthornothin
Well-known member
I feel ya' brother. Use Nyquil if you have to, sleep is key. Stay hydrated take the C, it works I don't care what anyone says, rest as much as you can stand. Prayers for a speedy recovery
T-Bone
Banned
I'm still coughing up a storm but seem to have more energy today. I still haven't had much of an appetite. Been eating about 900-1000 calories less than when I wasn't sick. Its really hard to tell if I'm getting better or not because I can feel fine one minute and the next I'm coughing up a lung. Maybe I should just load up on cough medicine and some sudafed pre-workout and hit the gym anyway.
3clipseGT
On my grind
He said spring time.
Patrick Arnold
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Springtime for hitler and germany......Invalid Link Removed
truthornothin
Well-known member
Why am I craving pretzels all of a sudden
Jbrooks
Active member
thanks
truthornothin
Well-known member
Spring is in effect for 3 whole months, lots of wiggle room there my friend
T-Bone
Banned
I'm still running my regular urso so there is still time for the super version to come out.
truthornothin
Well-known member
Thanks to Ursobolic I've finally shed all the holiday fat and just in time for my Birthday visit to my GF ..She lives 1200 miles from me but is moving here in June so this is the last time I have to make another first impression. I may actually be able to run a true bulk this year
T-Bone
Banned
Thanks to Ursobolic I've finally shed all the holiday fat and just in time for my Birthday visit to my GF ..She lives 1200 miles from me but is moving here in June so this is the last time I have to make another first impression. I may actually be able to run a true bulk this year
A girlfriend at 46 years old?. I just couldn't imagine that. Were you married previously?
truthornothin
Well-known member
Twice, First one 13 years second one 6 months lol big mistake. So at 46 I am supposed to be alone? Trust me its harder to find someone at 46 the choices are limited and in all honesty its the younger ones that are usually attracted to me. Father figure? perhaps, but it only took a couple of them to realize that was a dead end street. The current one is two years older in amazing shape, works out like a beast and is beautiful to boot. Its good to have that in common(the working out that is,not the beauty lol) instead of a girl that doesn't understand the lifestyle
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
truthornothin
Well-known member
I know, Damn, I didn't think I was that far over the hill.....Should I break out the rocking chair and Geritol
howwedo107
Well-known member
truthornothin said:
Don't forget your stick of wood and carving knife lol