ax1
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Why are we even trying to prove ourselves to a meathead...lol Its like flashing a brick wall.
Imagine if Bruce Lee was here with 125lbs in his profile and no pic, this meat-head would think he is a genius compared to Bruce.
New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !
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Why are we even trying to prove ourselves to a meathead...lol Its like flashing a brick wall.
Imagine if Bruce Lee was here with 125lbs in his profile and no pic, this meat-head would think he is a genius compared to Bruce.
truthornothin
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ax1
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Truthornothin has made some sick progress this past month and is running an amazing log.
truthornothin
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truthornothin
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An apple a day…makes muscles bigger?!
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Invalid Link RemovedThe title of this post is not much of an exaggeration on research published this past June. Scientists at the University of Iowa set out to find potential therapies to treat muscle atrophy, which is simply defined as a decrease in muscle mass. Muscle atrophy can occur for a whole host of reasons: fasting, aging, and simply being inactive among them. There are many diseases, like cancer, for which muscle wasting just comes with the territory. Until this study, there was no known drug to treat this common problem — an unfortunate situation because so many people suffering from muscle atrophy can’t do the exercise needed to grow their muscles. This new potential treatment is found in apple peels, and not only does it stop atrophy, it makes muscles bigger and stronger. Oh, and did I mention that it shrinks fat and lowers cholesterol and blood sugar, too?
Yeah, you should check this out:
The authors started off by looking at the genes expressed in muscle biopsies from muscles undergoing atrophy, and they made note of which genes had high or low expression. Then, they screened 1300+ compounds for any that could (basically) decrease the high genes and increase the low genes, the idea being that any compound that could reverse the gene expression in muscle atrophy might be a good treatment. And they were right.
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The screen identified ursolic acid, a compound found in large quantities in apple peels, as the only potential inhibitor of muscle atrophy. So the researchers injected ursolic acid into mice with atrophic muscles, which stopped muscle loss and increased muscle weight by 7%. Seven percent might not sound like a lot, but it is, considering that, again, this is the first compound shown to stop muscle loss at all. A 7% increase in muscle weight in a 180 lb man with Invalid Link Removed muscle mass would mean a gain of over 5 pounds of muscle.
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Things got even more interesting when normal mice were put on a diet with 0.27% ursolic acid: muscles got bigger andsignificantly stronger, blood levels of fat and cholesterol decreased, and fat cells shrank considerably, thus reducing fat weight significantly (see for yourself in a figure from the article, left). This is all in addition to the lowered blood sugar in fasting mice who received ursolic acid injections. To make things even better, the authors were able to identify genes that were increased or decreased by treatment, and that were probably responsible for these effects.
In my opinion, these scientists stumbled across something even greater than what they hoped to find. Their data on ursolic acid suggests its usefulness in treating everything from muscle atrophy to obesity to Invalid Link Removed to type 2 diabetes. Not even mentioned in this paper is the work that has previously shown the ability of ursolic acid to Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed cells and Invalid Link Removedproteins.
Okay, I’m impressed. What doesn’t ursolic acid do? Seems like it could be a future wonder drug! I’m very interested to see what scientists will try with this compound next…
Have a nerdy weekend! Invalid Link Removed
Kunkel SD, Suneja M, Ebert SM, Bongers KS, Fox DK, Malmberg SE, Alipour F, Shields RK, & Adams CM (2011). mRNA expression signatures of human skeletal muscle atrophy identify a natural compound that increases muscle mass. Cell metabolism, 13 (6), 627-38 PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Shishodia S, Majumdar S, Banerjee S, & Aggarwal BB (2003). Ursolic acid inhibits nuclear factor-kappaB activation induced by carcinogenic agents through suppression of IkappaBalpha kinase and p65 phosphorylation: correlation with down-regulation of cyclooxygenase 2, matrix metalloproteinase 9, and cyclin D1. Cancer research, 63 (15), 4375-83 PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Pathak AK, Bhutani M, Nair AS, Ahn KS, Chakraborty A, Kadara H, Guha S, Sethi G, & Aggarwal BB (2007). Ursolic acid inhibits STAT3 activation pathway leading to suppression of proliferation and chemosensitization of human multiple myeloma cells.Molecular cancer research : MCR, 5 (9), 943-55 PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Wilkinson K, Boyd JD, Glicksman M, Moore KJ, & El Khoury J (2011). A high-content drug screen identifies ursolic acid as an inhibitor of amyloid-{beta} interactions with its receptor CD36. The Journal of biological chemistry PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Posted on Invalid Link Removed
Invalid Link RemovedThe title of this post is not much of an exaggeration on research published this past June. Scientists at the University of Iowa set out to find potential therapies to treat muscle atrophy, which is simply defined as a decrease in muscle mass. Muscle atrophy can occur for a whole host of reasons: fasting, aging, and simply being inactive among them. There are many diseases, like cancer, for which muscle wasting just comes with the territory. Until this study, there was no known drug to treat this common problem — an unfortunate situation because so many people suffering from muscle atrophy can’t do the exercise needed to grow their muscles. This new potential treatment is found in apple peels, and not only does it stop atrophy, it makes muscles bigger and stronger. Oh, and did I mention that it shrinks fat and lowers cholesterol and blood sugar, too?
Yeah, you should check this out:
The authors started off by looking at the genes expressed in muscle biopsies from muscles undergoing atrophy, and they made note of which genes had high or low expression. Then, they screened 1300+ compounds for any that could (basically) decrease the high genes and increase the low genes, the idea being that any compound that could reverse the gene expression in muscle atrophy might be a good treatment. And they were right.
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Invalid Link RemovedUrsolic acid
The screen identified ursolic acid, a compound found in large quantities in apple peels, as the only potential inhibitor of muscle atrophy. So the researchers injected ursolic acid into mice with atrophic muscles, which stopped muscle loss and increased muscle weight by 7%. Seven percent might not sound like a lot, but it is, considering that, again, this is the first compound shown to stop muscle loss at all. A 7% increase in muscle weight in a 180 lb man with Invalid Link Removed muscle mass would mean a gain of over 5 pounds of muscle.
Invalid Link RemovedUrsolic acid diet shrinks fat cells
Things got even more interesting when normal mice were put on a diet with 0.27% ursolic acid: muscles got bigger andsignificantly stronger, blood levels of fat and cholesterol decreased, and fat cells shrank considerably, thus reducing fat weight significantly (see for yourself in a figure from the article, left). This is all in addition to the lowered blood sugar in fasting mice who received ursolic acid injections. To make things even better, the authors were able to identify genes that were increased or decreased by treatment, and that were probably responsible for these effects.
In my opinion, these scientists stumbled across something even greater than what they hoped to find. Their data on ursolic acid suggests its usefulness in treating everything from muscle atrophy to obesity to Invalid Link Removed to type 2 diabetes. Not even mentioned in this paper is the work that has previously shown the ability of ursolic acid to Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed cells and Invalid Link Removedproteins.
Okay, I’m impressed. What doesn’t ursolic acid do? Seems like it could be a future wonder drug! I’m very interested to see what scientists will try with this compound next…
Have a nerdy weekend! Invalid Link Removed
Kunkel SD, Suneja M, Ebert SM, Bongers KS, Fox DK, Malmberg SE, Alipour F, Shields RK, & Adams CM (2011). mRNA expression signatures of human skeletal muscle atrophy identify a natural compound that increases muscle mass. Cell metabolism, 13 (6), 627-38 PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Shishodia S, Majumdar S, Banerjee S, & Aggarwal BB (2003). Ursolic acid inhibits nuclear factor-kappaB activation induced by carcinogenic agents through suppression of IkappaBalpha kinase and p65 phosphorylation: correlation with down-regulation of cyclooxygenase 2, matrix metalloproteinase 9, and cyclin D1. Cancer research, 63 (15), 4375-83 PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Pathak AK, Bhutani M, Nair AS, Ahn KS, Chakraborty A, Kadara H, Guha S, Sethi G, & Aggarwal BB (2007). Ursolic acid inhibits STAT3 activation pathway leading to suppression of proliferation and chemosensitization of human multiple myeloma cells.Molecular cancer research : MCR, 5 (9), 943-55 PMID: Invalid Link Removed
Wilkinson K, Boyd JD, Glicksman M, Moore KJ, & El Khoury J (2011). A high-content drug screen identifies ursolic acid as an inhibitor of amyloid-{beta} interactions with its receptor CD36. The Journal of biological chemistry PMID: Invalid Link Removed
ax1
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Now lets zoom in and take a closer look at your avatar you meathead!!!!
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houstontexas
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I may have missed this in the write up or in the thread, but what role does the type of diet play in the actions/effectiveness of Ursobolic? CKD, moderate carbs, high carbs, etc. Is any particular one more ideal for its actions and are any of them a waste of time with this supplement? Thanks for your responses.
Patrick Arnold
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This was taking late july this summer when i was taking ursobolic.
This was taking late july this summer when i was taking ursobolic.
Patrick Arnold
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ax1
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After several years over the summer I started reading up on Lyle McDonald's books and experimented with CKD and TKD.
The training revolved around CKD caught up with me after 2 months and had to make changes as I started gaining weight and it was also very hard for me to go from overeating to undereating.
Currently I run TKD and am very comfortable with the diet so much that Ive maintained the same diet for several months. My energy in the gym is better, my muscles are fuller. I consume about 100 grams of carbs or a little more daily compared to the 40-60 daily I used to run. My overall diet is more satisfying and I make sure I have a certain focus on overall calories (as I did with my previous diet as well as just going low carb doesnt mean much at all).
Here is a good site to check out if you dont want to get the books for now,
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Patrick Arnold
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Patrick Arnold
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i dont think that question can really be answered from what we know about the supplement so far
truthornothin
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Thanks for the compliment ..... I think ......fatter? Aye! I thought I looked good in that one lol I was less lean there for sure, not too bad for forty f'ing six almost forty seven
houstontexas
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Thanks for the replies Matt, Ax, and Pat. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
truthornothin
Well-known member
I truly think from my experience that getting enough fats is key I eat two - three jars of natty peanut butter and go through a half gallon of half and and half a week. I increased my carbs considerably and got leaner
Patrick Arnold
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mission1 is now going through his trash looking for those bottles of ursobolic he threw out
ax1
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Your best bet is to focus on diet and training set to the goals that are most important to you and just letting Ursobolic aid you in those goals.
Its really a multi-purpose supplement through my own understanding. Whether or not 1 diet is advantageous over another isnt as important as you applying what works for you and your able to manage successfully.
truthornothin
Well-known member
Dude, I've pointed you to my log more than once. I am a nice guy and eager to help Just don't piss me off lol
madchemist
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rofl
truthornothin
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Another denizen of the Negaverse appears ...... I'm always in great shape, just varying degrees of it. I didn't say Ursobolic got me there, I am saying it has sure made it easier to maintain, and even increase while enjoying foods I never get to eat otherwise. Really T-Bone you see no difference between this
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The extra definition in the obliques, hell look at the difference in my abs period, the vascualrity in the lats We've already established Mission1 is blind and he could not see E-PHARM in blood red in my signature for weeks are you blind too? Even if I was at the same leaness level I've incresed my carb consumption from near none to 200 plus grams a day(not now, recovering from injury 3 weeks ago) Read my log before you start making comments. Regarding comments, How many of your 7003 posts are positive? I've yet to see one. I'm not responding to this anymore, If I had television journalists documenting ever calorie I ate and every rep I did you guys would still have something negative to say. AC1 was right its like arguing with a stump
truthornothin
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Thanks T-Bone apology graciously accepted. I used to be a photographer. In actuality blowing a pic up decreases the appearance of of definition, if you don't believe me take a pic of yourself on your cell phone, it can look super ripped blow it up(send it to your e-mail and see for yourself) and the definition disappears. If you'll look close at the pic you'll see more def in my pecs and abs and if you'l look at my waist you'll see the love handles that I can never completely lose are larger in the 1st pic. I am no longer addressing Mission 1 directly but he is incorrect in his evaluation of the pics. I am not sucking in my abs in either pic. I am crunching down in both. You cannot activate the obliques and intercostals that I have showing in both pics by sucking in(give it a try) though Mission1 is obviously an expert in that area. Also what is majorly being overlooked here is I DRASTICALLY INCREASED MY CALORIE INTAKE BETWEEN THE FIRST SET OF PICS AND THE LAST SET!!! Check out the log its all in there, I'll not address it further. I have never had visible abs while eating that many carbs, let alone gotten leaner. And that's all I have to say about that. I'll keep taking Ursobolic , I like it. I'll keep eating through the holidays and staying lean and Mission1 can do whatever he does. Bet I am the leaner one after new years. Oh and one more point I am 46, my metabolism is not what it used to be. You jack up your calories as much as I did at 46 and see what happens
MrKleen73
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I just wanted to put up some observations from my experiences so far with Ursobolic. I have read this entire thread looking for information and for the most part I have only seen a lot of arguing. I will tell you a little about my diet and what I have experienced in the last 2 weeks of taking Urso.
I do Lean Gains and have been for a year. That is an Intermittent Fasting Protocal that consists of 16 hours a day of fasting and 8 hours a day of feeding. On weight lifting days I eat about 1000 more calories than cardio or rest days. My cals are about 500 under maintenance on cadrio and rest days and 500 over on lift days. I have been doing this for a year as I have said before. My doctor is amazed with my numbers and my blood sugar levels are perfect, I had blood work done a month or so ago. So I know that everything is working perfectly for me and insulin sensitivty is already great. That is both a by product of my low to moderate carb consumption and the lack of insulins presence during the fasting periods. I am just telling you all this to preface some of the experience I am about to mention here.
From the beginning I have taken 9 Urso a day one 3 pill serving at a time with my fast breaking meal at noon, with my mid day meal and with my final meal about 8 PM. On my low cal days I pretty much eat meat veggies and almonds and some blueberries. On my build days I have the same plus an additional 200 grams of carbs froms whole grain pastas, breads, and blueberries. I either have 100 grams and then 50 and 50 or 75, 75, 50. What I noticed is that ANY time I take in more than 50 grams of carbs at a time within an hour I start going hypo, I have a hard time keeping my eyes open and have to have some more food to wake back up. That is an obvious sign that Urso is really increasing insulin sensitivity or stimulating the Glut-4 reaction in the muscles resulting in low blood sugar. On my lower carb days I do not experience this anywhere near as bad. As a matter of fact I didn't at all until about a week in then even the 20 grams worth of carbs in my blueberrie and whey smoothie would get me a little hypo and that is with me eating almost 2oz of almonds with the shake. As a matter of fact 1 oz of almonds is basically the form of fat I use to take my Urso with. I was eating just under 2 oz immediately with them however I have found due to the lower blood sugar issues from all of the insulin sensitivity I am experiencing from the Urso I need to have more later so I now have an ounce in between the 3 meals. I make sure to get in 90 grams of fats a day minimum. I am also getting huge increases in vascularity from eating almonds and protein without any other form of carbs during my fast breaking meal, and that is pretty damn impressive to me. I like to save my carbs on the burn days until mid day or the evening so they are there for the morning when I lift in a fasted state. Also I don't take Urso until I eat my fast breaker but the low blood sugar and sensitivity are still increased now during my fasts. I take 10 grams of aminos a few times during my fast and the inuslin spike resulting from that is noticable.
Now on to the training, I sweat like a whore in Church now. I could not believe how much I was sweating the very next day after starting the Urso I was drenched in the gym. I have sweat a lot more since I have been using the Urso. I always sweat a good bit but it is like once it starts to come out for me I am just drenched and it just runs off of me. Also I get flush and hot sometimes when just sitting at my desk during the day, like my temp is running high. I am even hot too the touch but don't feel ill, just radiating heat. I get pumps even though the previous day was low carb and I am training fasted. I seem to have more stamina too.
Appearance wise I have noticed that I am looking fuller even though I am working at leaning out right now which is surprising me. When I pick my arms up to shave ot wipe my head I see the veins spidering across the inside of my biceps again. I am not adjusting my carb intake up to accomodate for the blood sugar issues to see if it allows for more fat burning since that is my current goal instead spreading my fat intake out seems to be helping a bit. I expected to see some flattening of the muscle since I cut about 75 grams of carbs from my lower carb days but quite the opposite is taking place, and those lower carb days are the days my blood sugar seems the most constant.
All of these things point to the fact that Urso indeed is doing its thing for me. I have spoken with 2 others taking Urso, one is up to 18 caps and says that he really doesn't get much of anything out of it. Occasionally feeling some heat and extra sweating but that is it. Then ther is Oufinny on here has been having all these same experiences I have and is just as excited about what is going on for him as i am with what it is doing for me so far.
I defintely think this is a good recomposition agent. Just from the fullness of the muscle at lower carb intake, and the fact it drives my blood sugar down while my muscles fill up. I eat ample fats and my body is efficient at burning fat for energy from a year of Intermittent Fasting so I know EXACTLY what is going on with my body. The fact i am going hypo now while m body is efficeint at using fat for energy is obvious that my body is soaking up any and all glycogen and blood sugar it can find even at rest. I am very familiar with the hypoglycemic feelings and can tell when they hit and how to recognise them.
I will also say that I trust the person who was telling me they were very discouraged with how they were responding to the product. So I do not take away from detractors of the product either. I think that this product is going to work really well for people who tend to be carb intolerant. Those who when they add in carbs too much tend to gain fat quickly. I can not really stay at 200 grams of carbs a day without storing some fat it is just the way I am made. So I imagine others like that may respond well to this. I know Oufinny is very similar. I believe the guy who did not seem to do well does not share the same issues with carbs so something in the hormonal make up is not responding to this. I do not know if it is that I am out of whack and this gets me closer to in line with them, or if they are out of the norm already having the things that this provided to me. Either way there is an obvious difference in the response, and how people respond to carbs. Perhaps that should be looked into as you try to figure out who this product is for and who to market it to. Perhaps there is also something to be said for the idea that maybe these other people are not overly insuling sensitive and it take them longer to gradually become more insulin sensitive explaining the need for some people to take it longer in order to notice much of anything. I am just spit balling here, bottom line is that the effects I get and feel from Urso are definitely real and far from placebo or anything that anyone may try to brush it off as. I know my sh!t when it comes to diet and the hormonal response to them. I am familiar with my body and can tell you this stuff is legitmately doig something. I will let you guys know how it works out for me in a few more weeks it won't be so long but I really felt like this thread needed more information and less d!ck measuring contests because the product is working.
I do Lean Gains and have been for a year. That is an Intermittent Fasting Protocal that consists of 16 hours a day of fasting and 8 hours a day of feeding. On weight lifting days I eat about 1000 more calories than cardio or rest days. My cals are about 500 under maintenance on cadrio and rest days and 500 over on lift days. I have been doing this for a year as I have said before. My doctor is amazed with my numbers and my blood sugar levels are perfect, I had blood work done a month or so ago. So I know that everything is working perfectly for me and insulin sensitivty is already great. That is both a by product of my low to moderate carb consumption and the lack of insulins presence during the fasting periods. I am just telling you all this to preface some of the experience I am about to mention here.
From the beginning I have taken 9 Urso a day one 3 pill serving at a time with my fast breaking meal at noon, with my mid day meal and with my final meal about 8 PM. On my low cal days I pretty much eat meat veggies and almonds and some blueberries. On my build days I have the same plus an additional 200 grams of carbs froms whole grain pastas, breads, and blueberries. I either have 100 grams and then 50 and 50 or 75, 75, 50. What I noticed is that ANY time I take in more than 50 grams of carbs at a time within an hour I start going hypo, I have a hard time keeping my eyes open and have to have some more food to wake back up. That is an obvious sign that Urso is really increasing insulin sensitivity or stimulating the Glut-4 reaction in the muscles resulting in low blood sugar. On my lower carb days I do not experience this anywhere near as bad. As a matter of fact I didn't at all until about a week in then even the 20 grams worth of carbs in my blueberrie and whey smoothie would get me a little hypo and that is with me eating almost 2oz of almonds with the shake. As a matter of fact 1 oz of almonds is basically the form of fat I use to take my Urso with. I was eating just under 2 oz immediately with them however I have found due to the lower blood sugar issues from all of the insulin sensitivity I am experiencing from the Urso I need to have more later so I now have an ounce in between the 3 meals. I make sure to get in 90 grams of fats a day minimum. I am also getting huge increases in vascularity from eating almonds and protein without any other form of carbs during my fast breaking meal, and that is pretty damn impressive to me. I like to save my carbs on the burn days until mid day or the evening so they are there for the morning when I lift in a fasted state. Also I don't take Urso until I eat my fast breaker but the low blood sugar and sensitivity are still increased now during my fasts. I take 10 grams of aminos a few times during my fast and the inuslin spike resulting from that is noticable.
Now on to the training, I sweat like a whore in Church now. I could not believe how much I was sweating the very next day after starting the Urso I was drenched in the gym. I have sweat a lot more since I have been using the Urso. I always sweat a good bit but it is like once it starts to come out for me I am just drenched and it just runs off of me. Also I get flush and hot sometimes when just sitting at my desk during the day, like my temp is running high. I am even hot too the touch but don't feel ill, just radiating heat. I get pumps even though the previous day was low carb and I am training fasted. I seem to have more stamina too.
Appearance wise I have noticed that I am looking fuller even though I am working at leaning out right now which is surprising me. When I pick my arms up to shave ot wipe my head I see the veins spidering across the inside of my biceps again. I am not adjusting my carb intake up to accomodate for the blood sugar issues to see if it allows for more fat burning since that is my current goal instead spreading my fat intake out seems to be helping a bit. I expected to see some flattening of the muscle since I cut about 75 grams of carbs from my lower carb days but quite the opposite is taking place, and those lower carb days are the days my blood sugar seems the most constant.
All of these things point to the fact that Urso indeed is doing its thing for me. I have spoken with 2 others taking Urso, one is up to 18 caps and says that he really doesn't get much of anything out of it. Occasionally feeling some heat and extra sweating but that is it. Then ther is Oufinny on here has been having all these same experiences I have and is just as excited about what is going on for him as i am with what it is doing for me so far.
I defintely think this is a good recomposition agent. Just from the fullness of the muscle at lower carb intake, and the fact it drives my blood sugar down while my muscles fill up. I eat ample fats and my body is efficient at burning fat for energy from a year of Intermittent Fasting so I know EXACTLY what is going on with my body. The fact i am going hypo now while m body is efficeint at using fat for energy is obvious that my body is soaking up any and all glycogen and blood sugar it can find even at rest. I am very familiar with the hypoglycemic feelings and can tell when they hit and how to recognise them.
I will also say that I trust the person who was telling me they were very discouraged with how they were responding to the product. So I do not take away from detractors of the product either. I think that this product is going to work really well for people who tend to be carb intolerant. Those who when they add in carbs too much tend to gain fat quickly. I can not really stay at 200 grams of carbs a day without storing some fat it is just the way I am made. So I imagine others like that may respond well to this. I know Oufinny is very similar. I believe the guy who did not seem to do well does not share the same issues with carbs so something in the hormonal make up is not responding to this. I do not know if it is that I am out of whack and this gets me closer to in line with them, or if they are out of the norm already having the things that this provided to me. Either way there is an obvious difference in the response, and how people respond to carbs. Perhaps that should be looked into as you try to figure out who this product is for and who to market it to. Perhaps there is also something to be said for the idea that maybe these other people are not overly insuling sensitive and it take them longer to gradually become more insulin sensitive explaining the need for some people to take it longer in order to notice much of anything. I am just spit balling here, bottom line is that the effects I get and feel from Urso are definitely real and far from placebo or anything that anyone may try to brush it off as. I know my sh!t when it comes to diet and the hormonal response to them. I am familiar with my body and can tell you this stuff is legitmately doig something. I will let you guys know how it works out for me in a few more weeks it won't be so long but I really felt like this thread needed more information and less d!ck measuring contests because the product is working.
truthornothin
Well-known member
Great post MrKleen73, Before this turned into a dick measuring contest I tried to say not every sup works for everyone. But certain people became belligerent and started name calling. My urso experience has been much like yours, 9 caps a day. I am a low carb year round kind of guy so my insulin sensitivity is good. If I consume any amount of sugar I get immediately light headed so what you are saying makes a lot of sense. Perhaps it is insulin sensitivity that determines to some degree effectiveness or at least length of time it takes to become effective. This is why certain people were asked to give it a bit longer. I was fortunate my results came early. If your theory is correct it makes sense as to why. Hope your post helps to get the thread back on track
miniarnold
Active member
i see little difference myself, the second set of pics are diff shots and taken closer and poses are not all the same, the relaxed front shot looks better but the others cant be compared i think
miniarnold
Active member
lean bulk i agree a good addition,
i meant more from a fat loss pespective, do people think its more effective for fat loss whilst eating more total cals giving more fat loss the higher the cals, and with less total cals then perhaps equaling less fat loss as cals are lower?
just seems the guys who are getting the best results are eating more calories either maintaining or heavy bulking
miniarnold
Active member
think its amusing everyone is posting up pics of themselves to see whos the best, like whos dads the biggest comp!, wish it was my in my nature to join in
anyways pics are good its interesting to see what the physiques are like of those who give various levels of advice and knowledge
anyways pics are good its interesting to see what the physiques are like of those who give various levels of advice and knowledge
ax1
Legend
Nobody is posting pics about "whos the best"
Some meat head was trying to insult me because of my 170 pound bodyweight which is a weight I want to be at, even lighter actually.
To tell you the truth, Id rather me 89lbs anorexic and smart than be diesel but and a total meat head like some people here (one person actually).
ax1
Legend
Your always focusing on the supplement as opposed to the diet.
As I always say, its all about diet and training first then supplement. There you will find your answer to best utilize Ursobolic for fat loss.
People are just responding well to Ursobolic....if they had cut their calories more Im positive they would have lost more. You are more in control of the progress than the supplement is.
miniarnold
Active member
sorry i was wrong the side oblique shot is better can see you are leaner there, but the others to me no difference as there not exactly the same shots and distance
miniarnold
Active member
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
how ddid you come to the conclusion that there is some contest here? mission1 challenged us saying we are all probably fat or small. I am certainly not one to post pics of myself all over the place but i wanted to shove his stupid words back in his mouth
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
u wont give up. how does it "look older"?
i think you just cant admit you are a jackass and are wrong
miniarnold
Active member
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
i was in my underwear which actually is worse
BPjohn123
Well-known member
That was a good read, is being bitter a side from ursobolic?....if so I'm not in?.haha..
Mission i say cut your loses, a product didn't work for you, end of story, move on.
Pat didn't know you were that big now, impressive
Truth definitely a difference in your progress pics, especially in the relaxed pic. Hard work pays off my friend
Pat is there a way of making ua any more potent? Stronger extract? Etc....
Mission i say cut your loses, a product didn't work for you, end of story, move on.
Pat didn't know you were that big now, impressive
Truth definitely a difference in your progress pics, especially in the relaxed pic. Hard work pays off my friend
Pat is there a way of making ua any more potent? Stronger extract? Etc....
Patrick Arnold
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i dont see why a stronger extract would make a difference if the total dose of UA is the same
improving bioavailablity is a path to making it better maybe. but its not that easy. even the published delivery system improvements dont change it that much
of course some company will conjure up some bs delivery system and claim it is a miracle. and it will be BS more than likely. it is NOT gonna be that easy
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
i havent found any way to do it that is practical
BPjohn123
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Fair enough, best of luck
truthornothin
Well-known member
I think its more like salty
Thanks for the compliment, I do try to hit it hard when I am at the gym, I actually have to learn how to back off a touch but it just feels wrong not to go all out.
Regarding potency PA can correct me if I am wrong, but extracting for a higher percentage would be cost prohibitive. I still say just take with sufficient fat, I eat a very high fat diet, I never do cardio, and I am pretty lean. Fat's are your friend(not in overdoses) sugar is the enemy