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New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !

Mission1 said:
I think he's a coward . I noticed this since he released Testforce. ****y, arrogant, and thinks his sh-t don't stink. I see the writing on the wall. His end is very near.Usually happens fast when owners of business can't answer a straight question and his ***got ass can't imagine that somebody could ass such a question. Forget your roots Patsy!
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Now, let me break this down for you and lets take a trip to short term memory lane. Below is what you stated 5 days ago, which was 2 weeks into your Ursobolic cycle. Why when you agreed to give this more time than Patrick requested you fall far short of schedule?

Posted 11/6/2011

Mission1 said:
I'm sure you do pat. I feel I'm a good responder to supplements based on how I look and feel. I'm at full dose for almost 2 weeks. And on my 4th. bottle. I wish I could report something better than smoke burps and a little or slight appetite decrease. I'm following other threads to adjust my game plan but to no prevail. Still believe in epharm, just this supplement is so far a let down.
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Patrick Arnold said:
would like to see u give it four weeks before you make a final decision on how it works. bodyfat in particular
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Mission1 said:
I will give it longer because I bought 4 more from n/p. So that will be a total of 8 bottles. Then we can review this again. Fair? And I will be at full dose.
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I also want to
Say before anyone else tried to defnd or stick up for patrick. It's one thing to be attacked by ppl
And another to start the war.

If u give ppl/customers snide n sarcastic remarks , wtf do u think ur gonna
Get back. I was not familiar w this company nor Patrick until using this product. Idk why he has to be so argumentative and sarcastic w customers. This is a forum to
Give feedback. Sorry ur magic pill is not that! Fix it. Acknowledge the problem and show some consideration and then maybe ppl will stop badmouthing u/the product..

No one set out here to sh!t talk u or the product, yet that s how you have responded to us.
 
Mission1 said:
Nothing to report at all to e pharms claims. 18 a day. On my 5th bottle. No smoke burps because I've been taking then first and then eating. Clothing still fitting the same. Trying to stay positive, but I'm not happy with this product so far. Appetite suppression had actually subsided. Thinking I definitely wasted my money. Might just throw the rest of the bottles in the trash.
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I'm still not sure why you are not responding nor why you would throw your bottles in the trash, there are people on here that would be happy to take them off your hands. PA's comment doesn't seem all that bad given the illogical nature of that statement. Why would you toss it? I am sure the retailer would take it back or you could sell it on line other people are responding well with similar results to myself see this post in another log
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I have dosed my Ursobolic at 15caps/day since last Thursday now. Protocol is 5/5/5 split.
The best part is I wasn't even "out of shape" after a weekends drinking and eating. I felt as tight as before and I wasn't even bloated.
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Just because you do not respond does not mean the product is crap. I didn't respond to Epistane, I am sure that there are plenty of people(obviously) that it worked for. Sorry that it is not working for you. Maybe it would if you ran it longer. Perhaps you are a slow responder not a non responder. I'd just hoped you'd give it the chance you said you would.
 
chedapalooza said:
Amen. Did it to me too... Real professionals obviously boast about developing/testing a product while drink all summer long.. Must really be into the sport and lifestyle too! Smh
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Mission1 said:
I think he's a coward . I noticed this since he released Testforce. ****y, arrogant, and thinks his sh-t don't stink. I see the writing on the wall. His end is very near.Usually happens fast when owners of business can't answer a straight question and his ***got ass can't imagine that somebody could ass such a question. Forget your roots Patsy!
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chedapalooza said:
I also want to
Say before anyone else tried to defnd or stick up for patrick. It's one thing to be attacked by ppl
And another to start the war.

If u give ppl/customers snide n sarcastic remarks , wtf do u think ur gonna
Get back. I was not familiar w this company nor Patrick until using this product. Idk why he has to be so argumentative and sarcastic w customers. This is a forum to
Give feedback. Sorry ur magic pill is not that! Fix it. Acknowledge the problem and show some consideration and then maybe ppl will stop badmouthing u/the product..

No one set out here to sh!t talk u or the product, yet that s how you have responded to us.
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LoL - You guys obviously haven't had much discussion with PA before?! Or read any discussions in previous threads?
Take a stroll through the PA section over at PHF...
ax1 said:
IMO paying customers can post their experiences in a more cordial and professional manner instead of going all over the board making ludicrous statements such as throwing out product in the garbage.

There is a reason your getting these types of responses.
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Couldn't have said it better myself :goodpost:
 
To be fair to Pat he's not doing anything here that he doesn't normally do. His responses are normally sarcastic/brusque, etc. on all boards.

What people need to remember is that this product hasn't been tested so everyone who is using it now is basically beta testing it so we really don't know if this product works or the best way to take it to get the most from it. I think people just saw that this was a PA product and expected a lot out of it and are now disappointed that they're not getting much, or anything, from it.

If people have bottles they don't want to use then put them up on the Supp Auction forum or even Ebay. You may as well get some money back from the bottles rather than just throwing them away.
 
If you are sceptical about the product - don't buy it.
If you buy it and you are disappointed - sell the rest to those who like it.
If you didn't like it - don't buy it again.

And no need to talk sh!t about it because you didn't like it.
Let your frustrations loose on the weights instead where it can be of use.

Simple as that.

Just my $0.2
 
warsteiner said:
To be fair to Pat he's not doing anything here that he doesn't normally do. His responses are normally sarcastic/brusque, etc. on all boards.

What people need to remember is that this product hasn't been tested so everyone who is using it now is basically beta testing it so we really don't know if this product works or the best way to take it to get the most from it.
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Just bc he's a consistent a hole doesn't make it ok.

And if this Is "beta" then it should have a) Been marketed and promoted as such and b) given out for free like every other test product. Thatway when it flops, no one has lost anything except time and doesnt feel lied to or swindled! The fact that its so hard to swallow ur pride and admit u didn't do a great Job n accept constrictive criticism is a huge sign of insecurity and stubbornness. I stated earlier this was not a pa or urso bashing thread, yet HIS responses have led it to that end. Smh enough. Y don't we talk about making the product better since it has potential! Instead of bickering like a bunch of women. It will first take the developer swallowing his pride while we swallow 9/18 pills a day!! Two way street!!!
 
chedapalooza said:
Just bc he's a consistent a hole doesn't make it ok.

And if this Is "beta" then it should have a) Been marketed and promoted as such and b) given out for free like every other test product. Thatway when it flops, no one has lost anything except time and doesnt feel lied to or swindled! The fact that its so hard to swallow ur pride and admit u didn't do a great Job n accept constrictive criticism is a huge sign of insecurity and stubbornness. I stated earlier this was not a pa or urso bashing thread, yet HIS responses have led it to that end. Smh enough. Y don't we talk about making the product better since it has potential! Instead of bickering like a bunch of women. It will first take the developer swallowing his pride while we swallow 9/18 pills a day!! Two way street!!!
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I believe he was the beta.

But aside from that supplements "work" or don't depends on a lot of factors. Hell some stuff just doesn't work. If everything in the supp industry worked everyone would be ripped or the only things sold would be protein powders.
 
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ConcreteConny said:
LoL - You guys obviously haven't had much discussion with PA before?! Or read any discussions in previous threads?
Take a stroll through the PA section over at PHF...

Couldn't have said it better myself :goodpost:
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I agree, its just Pat's way, I find it amusing and I think he generally intends it that way. If you've followed him any length of time you have to know you risk a salty answer if you ask or say something he may interpret as foolish or ridiculous, or that has been continuously answered. Its like sticking your finger in a mouse trap and being surprised when it goes SNAP! Don't any of you have friends like that? I've been following him on the boards for ten years now. He's one of the few that can and will answer most supp questions. If you have to take him with a grain(ok, shaker) of salt, its certainly worth it. Why is America becoming so thin skinned? I find PA's comments mostly hilarious, he's skewered me in a post more than once but I've never held against him, its just his way. Lighten up America(World) don't take things so personally and so seriously
 
Mission1 said:
Tired of swallowing your crap Pat. You have a real bad attitude.
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excuse me?

i was simply asking why you just dont finish the bottles and was wondering if it was because you have to swallow alot of caps.

what was insulting or wrong about that? jeezus man
 
Mission1 said:
I think he's a coward . I noticed this since he released Testforce. ****y, arrogant, and thinks his sh-t don't stink. I see the writing on the wall. His end is very near.Usually happens fast when owners of business can't answer a straight question and his ***got ass can't imagine that somebody could ass such a question. Forget your roots Patsy!
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i think you are losing your mind
 
Patrick Arnold said:
excuse me?

i was simply asking why you just dont finish the bottles and was wondering if it was because you have to swallow alot of caps.

what was insulting or wrong about that? jeezus man
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Okay........Pat............ Your the victim here. I'll be the better man and just drop it and move on to the subject at hand. I'm just letting the product speak for itself. I'm not happy with it so far and I'm gonna let you know about it. I think your answers to questions are not very supportive to finding out a better solution too getting better results. That's it.
 
Mission1 said:
Okay........Pat............ Your the victim here. I'll be the better man and just drop it and move on to the subject at hand. I'm just letting the product speak for itself. I'm not happy with it so far and I'm gonna let you know about it. I think your answers to questions are not very supportive to finding out a better solution too getting better results. That's it.
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u are the better man? After calling me a faagit, a coward, saying my career is over, saying i am a ***** etc. etc.?

u owe me an apology
 
Patrick Arnold said:
u are the better man? After calling me a faagit, a coward, saying my career is over, saying i am a ***** etc. etc.?

u owe me an apology
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I told you I'm done. Moving on. No apology on my part. Just watch how you talk to your customers. I'm sure other people feel the same way at times with you but don't have the balls to let you know. My apology will be if I keep buying your products. Which I'm sure you could care less, but that's not my problem.
 
Mission1 said:
I told you I'm done. Moving on. No apology on my part. Just watch how you talk to your customers. I'm sure other people feel the same way at times with you but don't have the balls to let you know. My apology will be if I keep buying your products. Which I'm sure you could care less, but that's not my problem.
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Your not done, thats a lie. You insist on having the final word. You have the illusion that you can dictate others to stay quite and move on as well, when in reality you cannot stand to take any criticism whatsoever, and your sensitivities lead you to the inabilities to let things go.
 
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I've been on ursobolic for almost 6 weeks now and it's really doing it's thing. I'm almost out and it's looking like I may have to go a few days without. I know it took a while before it started working, will I have to start all over?​


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I have to admit that i was very skeptical at first but now i'm a believer.Ursobolic has done great things to my body composition,i eat 6000calories a day and a lot of junk(my way to bulk)and while i've gained a lot of weight for the first time i can still see my abs...Only side effect are cramps.Has anyone else expierenced this?​


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Invalid Link Removed Originally Posted by primuspilus Invalid Link RemovedStarting my fifth bottle now. The last three bottles I've been taking 12 caps. Like I said before I've been dieting lately and I haven't plateaued progress wise. I'm leaner than ever before. My diet is spot on but ursobolic is the only other supplement I've been taking besides the basics.
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The positive reviews are coming in now that folks have given it a chance to work
 
More solid feedback :thumbsup:
 
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DEFINITELY the WRONG place for this post :gay::chairshot::AR15firing:
 
Reported :spam:
 
LoL they spammed the SNS thread('s) also :spam:
Negged and reported them right away :D
 
Two adverts in the space of a few posts? Free ad space, excellent.

I have a car I am looking to sell. PM for offers. :)
 
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Ok still a little green, didn't know how to report, and had just rolled out of bed when checked and posted so still a tad groggy. I'll know better next time ...Cheers
 
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Two adverts in the space of a few posts? Free ad space, excellent.

I have a car I am looking to sell. PM for offers. :)
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Heh Heh, You paying the freight?:smoker:
 
Mission1 said:
18 a day............ STILL NOTHING..... WHAT A WASTE. PATIENCE HAS RUN THIN!
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I'm at 9 a day.. While I do take many other products, I keep hearing how I look bigger, but clothes r looser and tighter in all the right places.. Definitely eating more above maintenance than I would ne able to comfortably do on a consistent basis.. I'm liking the idea that I can enjoy foods I usually shun off.. Especially w thanksgiving next week and Christmas coming. I have decided at 9/day, I will continue to use the product.. If it is the reason I am staying lean and getting bigger then great! If it's not, then well... Whatever... No adverse effects... So I will ride it out and maybe at some point wr will see a larger bottle or better dosing shceme/more research/info ... While it is certainly not going to deliver NOTICAEBLE mind blowing results.. Over time, the leaning and health benefits will most likely prove worth while- which is why i hope I don't need 3 bottles a month for much longer ;)

I know I got into it with PA not too long ago, bit I said it then an I'll say it again.. It was NOT the product I was bashing. It was his approach to dealing with the customer.. I'm a waiter and college student.. The customer is NOT always right, but u have to bite ur tongue e very once in a while.. Hopefully we will see some improvements in the accessibility/delivery method of the product (dosing, bottle size)...
 
Also- maybe PA or someone can respond to the chatter that usp c20 contains, in some form, ursolic acid.. And explain y that is dosed at 2 caps twice a day..
 
chedapalooza said:
Also- maybe PA or someone can respond to the chatter that usp c20 contains, in some form, ursolic acid.. And explain y that is dosed at 2 caps twice a day..
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Let us know exactly how much ursolic acid is in them 2 caps of c20 before we start and get into it.

Not trying to be a wise ass to you, its a serious question which will end the topic right away.
 
ax1 said:
Let us know exactly how much ursolic acid is in them 2 caps of c20 before we start and get into it.

Not trying to be a wise ass to you, its a serious question which will end the topic right away.
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USPlabs has proprietary blends... Plus, the form they use is extracted off something else... Kinda like the whole ECDY extract/purity issues... It can be apples and oranges different... or it can be like eating a piece of bacon for protein or two chicken breasts.
 
May be I need to drink more alcohol with this product for it to start working. By the way can anybody recommend what alcohol drink I should be drinking to get this crap working??
 
ax1 said:
Let us know exactly how much ursolic acid is in them 2 caps of c20 before we start and get into it.

Not trying to be a wise ass to you, its a serious question which will end the topic right away.
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nobody knows could be some, could be none, its the classic "proprietary blend" lable, standardized for Triterpenoids but which ones? and at what percent? It your typical USP gobbledy gook
 
mattrag said:
USPlabs has proprietary blends...
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Right...and a prop blend may have as little as .02mg to make a label. Nobody will be able to answer a c20 vs. Ursobolic question other than w/ Ursobolic we have an idea of how much we are getting.

Mission1 said:
May be I need to drink more alcohol with this product for it to start working. By the way can anybody recommend what alcohol drink I should be drinking to get this crap working??
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It just doesnt work for you on a physiological level at the doses your taking and in the period of time so far.

This is just a trial and error issue for you, your not satisfied and its time to move on as you have previously stated. Its happened to me with other products as well we all been on the same boat here.
 
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