New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !

chedapalooza said:
Sooooo best smoke burp ever nomination:

At work tonight at a table (I waiter)... Threw down 3 caps with a protein shake on break.. 5 mins later.. Poof right in the middle of greeting a table. Yea.
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good one
 
schizm said:
...ya, I wouldn't have figured it was going to be any where near strong enough to totally eliminate it ;) ...just wondering if it's strength (at 9 caps/day) is anywhere near comparable to any other OTC AI's...from your experience, PA's experience or what the research suggests...
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on paper ursobolic seems to have mild ai properties. i would guess it doesnt do that much to your hormones at the dosages we sell it at
 
chedapalooza said:
PA this ones for you

- I've found it hard to keep dosing even through out the day bc I only eat 2 meals N post workout Aminos due to lean gains. I am thinking that a pre workout dose of 3 caps might be the best option to get it into my system early on daily... Its 230 pm east coast an am getting ready to hit the gym. I will not be breaking fast til 530ish with post workout Aminos. No, I'm not working out or 3 hours... Is it absolutely crucial to take w food? Would I be wasting 3 caps if I took on empty stomach pre fasted training ? How about with post workout Aminos? Thanks
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is it too much for you to include some fish oil or flax oil caps with your dose? its up to you. if you want the product to work well then u need to make some changes. if you want to compromise the efficacy of the product then thats your choice, but dont blame me if the stuff doesnt work as well as you like
 
truthornothin said:
Hey Bro, I can't say that you'll waste 3 caps but you will not be getting as much as you can out of them as if you took them with a meal that CONTAINS FAT! The fat is important, Ursolic acid is not water soluble to any great degree. It is extremely hydrophobic, It does dissolve in fat. The post work out aminos may work if you take a tablespoon of some kind of oil, I prefer olive oil for its health benefits, to help with absorption. Yes I know I'm not PA, But even Jesus didn't always show up in person, sometimes he had to send his disciples :)(this religious reference was made for comedic comparison purposes only. It in no way should be construed to represent the views of PA or E-Pharm at large, only the odd sense of humor of the Truth)
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i suggest chedda open up some caps and put it in water. stir the stuff around. see how it behaves

then do the same thing with a teaspoon of oil. see what the oil does?

now ask yourself, which cup do you think would absorb better in the gut
 
chedapalooza said:
Ideally I'd like to do 8 weeks of urso, anabeta n erase. But unless there's a bigger bottle/increase in amount per capsule.. Something to cut down on number if pills, urso is just expensive n impractical. Also, a week in, and not noticing anything.. If anything, have noticed INCREASE in appetite...

Also urso n AB r taken w meals, stupid/wasteful to use both at same time? I rarely run stand alones.. So it can get confusing planning things for me sometimes
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urso is expensive and impractical?

really?
 
miniarnold said:
If i wish,
would it be ok to take the uacid out of the pills and mix in with my meal with the fat, so im not swallowing lots of pills twice a day will this be ok for absorption or does it matter non as long as there going in?
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u could do that but it sounds kinda impractical
 
Patrick Arnold said:
urso is expensive and impractical?

really?
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In all honesty yes, 9-18 pills? That's awful for ur intestines... Also toting around those pills all day n having them break bc of their poor quality Is quite frustrating. I've tried to be as objective as possible, and ask questions to educate myself and others. But apparently all who do not think like u are immediately spoken down to.

Not sure why I would take advice from some one who admittedly developed the product while intoxicated all summer. Sorry but I won't shell out my hard earned $ for An unproven product that breaks n is intentionally dosed so low that people r forced to buy 3 bottles to make it thru one month. Just another example of the 1% sticking it to the 99... supplement moguls r no different.

How do u like being talked down to? I won't yield to you just bc you are some bootleg chemist who slaps a label on something n gives it a catchy name and a list of *possible* effects.

Peace dude.

Edit: rep points from TWO users on this. I can't be that wrong.
 
chedapalooza said:
In all honesty yes, 9-18 pills? That's awful for ur intestines... Also toting around those pills all day n having them break bc of their poor quality Is quite frustrating. I've tried to be as objective as possible, and ask questions to educate myself and others. But apparently all who do not think like u are immediately spoken down to.

Not sure why I would take advice from some one who admittedly developed the product while intoxicated all summer. Sorry but I won't shell out my hard earned $ for An unproven product that breaks n is intentionally dosed so low that people r forced to buy 3 bottles to make it thru one month. Just another example of the 1% sticking it to the 99... supplement moguls r no different.

How do u like being talked down to? I won't yield to you just bc you are some bootleg chemist who slaps a label on something n gives it a catchy name and a list of *possible* effects.

Peace dude.
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i wasnt aware i was talking down to you. i took issue with your contention that my product was expensive and impractical. thats pretty much all i did.
 
chedapalooza said:
Not sure why I would take advice from some one who admittedly developed the product while intoxicated all summer. Sorry but I won't shell out my hard earned $ for An unproven product that breaks n is intentionally dosed so low that people r forced to buy 3 bottles to make it thru one month. Just another example of the 1% sticking it to the 99... supplement moguls r no different.
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explain to me why dosing low and requiring more bottles makes me more money. really, explain that logic

the reality is it costs us MORE. we would save money buy putting more in the caps and having bigger bottles, and we are trying to do that. u see, more capsules means more money we have to pay for encapsulation. and more bottles means more money put into bottles.

also, explain how capsules are hard on your intestines. capsules are gelatin and are completely dissolved in the stomach rapidly

am i speaking down to you again? woops, i am sorry. customer is always right, i forgot that.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
explain to me why dosing low and requiring more bottles makes me more money. really, explain that logic

the reality is it costs us MORE. we would save money buy putting more in the caps and having bigger bottles, and we are trying to do that. u see, more capsules means more money we have to pay for encapsulation. and more bottles means more money put into bottles.

also, explain how capsules are hard on your intestines. capsules are gelatin and are completely dissolved in the stomach rapidly

am i speaking down to you again? woops, i am sorry. customer is always right, i forgot that.
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If a bottle of 120 caps cost the consumer 13-14$... I highly doubt it costs u more than 2$ tops to encapsulate, bottle, label, and ship! Lol don't start w economics now too.. If u weren't gonna make bucks it woulda never been released. Why hasn't this substance been used for decades prior if its So magical. It's all marketing

Capsules r bad bc if ur forced to choke down minimum of 9 a day and upwards of 18, on top of others like staples, it builds up n causes gi issues, don't play dumb. Furthermore, your body burps up crappy food right? Just like it burps up crappy substances that dont belong that u can't digest= smoke burps. I have even had then when taking caps with literally a teaspoon of mayo and/or olive oil.

This conversations over. Not gonna indulge ur ego anymore. Customers not always right. N I'm no longer a customer.
Btw I got rep points from the first post. So I know I'm not the only one
 
chedapalooza said:
If a bottle of 120 caps cost the consumer 13-14$... I highly doubt it costs u more than 2$ tops to encapsulate, bottle, label, and ship! Lol don't start w economics now too.. If u weren't gonna make bucks it woulda never been released. Why hasn't this substance been used for decades prior if its So magical. It's all marketing
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u didnt explain why i make more money buy putting it in more caps and more bottles.

and the profit margin on this product is pretty low compared to other products.

let me ask you, why did you buy it if you hate it so much?
 
ive been taking 9 pills twice a day, either empty the caps and mix in food,
or swallow caps asap as soon as i start eating with the remainder of the meal to push them down
no smoke burps so far, but a bit a repeating on me and indegestion when swallow the caps
 
chedapalooza said:
Capsules r bad bc if ur forced to choke down minimum of 9 a day and upwards of 18, on top of others like staples, it builds up n causes gi issues, don't play dumb. Furthermore, your body burps up crappy food right? Just like it burps up crappy substances that dont belong that u can't digest= smoke burps. I have even had then when taking caps with literally a teaspoon of mayo and/or olive oil.
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we all know how toxic gelatin is, you are right. i was playing dumb. you are an amazingly smart young man. i am sorry to see you leave, since you apparently can teach us alot about economics, gastroeneterology, and social injustices
 
chedapalooza said:
. Why hasn't this substance been used for decades prior if its So magical. It's all marketing
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so the university of iowa study was just "marketing"?

the study was released last summer. but i guess people should have known it would be for decades because clearly nostradamus predicted it, right?

u must have gone to an ivy league school or something
 
chedapalooza said:
In all honesty yes, 9-18 pills? That's awful for ur intestines... Also toting around those pills all day n having them break bc of their poor quality Is quite frustrating. I've tried to be as objective as possible, and ask questions to educate myself and others. But apparently all who do not think like u are immediately spoken down to.
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Really? 9-18 pills is awful for your stomach? What scientific evidence are you basing this off of? and where does the Jello market go from here?

chedapalooza said:
If a bottle of 120 caps cost the consumer 13-14$... I highly doubt it costs u more than 2$ tops to encapsulate, bottle, label, and ship! Lol don't start w economics now too.. If u weren't gonna make bucks it woulda never been released. Why hasn't this substance been used for decades prior if its So magical. It's all marketing

Capsules r bad bc if ur forced to choke down minimum of 9 a day and upwards of 18, on top of others like staples, it builds up n causes gi issues, don't play dumb. Furthermore, your body burps up crappy food right? Just like it burps up crappy substances that dont belong that u can't digest= smoke burps. I have even had then when taking caps with literally a teaspoon of mayo and/or olive oil.

This conversations over. Not gonna indulge ur ego anymore. Customers not always right. N I'm no longer a customer.
Btw I got rep points from the first post. So I know I'm not the only one
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It doesnt matter what Patrick makes on this stuff...seriously this is a capitalist driven market, and even if he grew this stuff in his back yard your making a fully irrelevant post. Every market is capitalist driven, so therefore its like saying if anybody makes money off of anything nobody should buy it.

Now please put some beef in your posts and find my some studies that the amount in gelatin in those caps are harmful please, Im open to reading it.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
u didnt explain why i make more money buy putting it in more caps and more bottles.

and the profit margin on this product is pretty low compared to other products.

let me ask you, why did you buy it if you hate it so much?
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Because I could predict the ineffectiveness before I tried it...

U missed the point entirely. All I said was 9-18 pills a day is impractical. Why not just have it in higher dose caps? Once u jumped down my throat about that, I gave it back to u but u didn't like it.
 
chedapalooza said:
Because I could predict the ineffectiveness before I tried it...

U missed the point entirely. All I said was 9-18 pills a day is impractical. Why not just have it in higher dose caps? Once u jumped down my throat about that, I gave it back to u but u didn't like it.
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So your saying you knew it was ineffective before you tried it, yet you bought it anyways...and although the serving directions were on the product page you decided to buy what was impractical for you....and the product is marked up too much as you invest in it anyways.

Something here is extremely inconsistent.
 
ax1 said:
Really? 9-18 pills is awful for your stomach? What scientific evidence are you basing this off of? and where does the Jello market go from here?

It doesnt matter what Patrick makes on this stuff...seriously this is a capitalist driven market, and even if he grew this stuff in his back yard your making a fully irrelevant post. Every market is capitalist driven, so therefore its like saying if anybody makes money off of anything nobody should buy it.

Now please put some beef in your posts and find my some studies that the amount in gelatin in those caps are harmful please, Im open to reading it.
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Stop putting words in my mouth and taking thins out of context. 9-18 pills PLUS other supps one may take as staples daily. Too much of ANYTHING is not good for you. And these capsules have been shown to not fully digest, build up, and cause
Gi issues . Both my mother and step
Father have had issues, both well conditioned athletes who now have medical issues from consuming the recommended high doses of manufacturers who's ONLY goal is to pad their pockets! The issue is more so with his condescending attitude rather than his products. Honestly, this is a waste of time n energy now. Just drop it, everyone. U wont see me post here anymore. Apparently no one likes to go against the grain.

And ps- my school is almost ivy league ;)

But I prefer to serve the public rather than myself which is why I'm in the police academy. Bc money doesnt rule my life and come at the expense of others ;)

Done and done.
 
ax1 said:
So your saying you knew it was ineffective before you tried it, yet you bought it anyways...and although the serving directions were on the product page you decided to buy what was impractical for you....and the product is marked up too much as you invest in it anyways.

Something here is extremely inconsistent.
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It's called sarcasm. How would I know if it works or not without trying it? Smh
 
Oh stop, we dont need educations credentials to prove your points, lol
 
chedapalooza said:
Stop putting words in my mouth and taking thins out of context. 9-18 pills PLUS other supps one may take as staples daily. Too much of ANYTHING is not good for you. And these capsules have been shown to not fully digest, build up, and cause
Gi issues .

Done and done.
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No your not done...look at Ray Kurzweil, inventor and also author on several books on health...he is 63 years old, completely healthy and may live to see 150. Considered successor and "rightful heir to Thomas Edison, referred to by Forbes as "the ultimate thinking machine."

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ax1 said:
No your not done...look at Ray Kurzweil, inventor and also author on several books on health...he is 63 years old, completely health and may live to see 150.

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K. Good for him. There's a reason he's "famous" there's plenty of exceptions. Can we please just end this? I'd rather spend my Sunday doing something else.
 
chedapalooza said:
K. Good for him. There's a reason he's "famous" there's plenty of exceptions. Can we please just end this? I'd rather spend my Sunday doing something else.
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Dont try to plant pipe bombs next time my friend...or bring a matchstick to a war.

Have a nice day, Im watching football!
 
Honestly I like epharm but I think this supplement does suck. I think it was released way to early. Should have done more beta testing besides the maker who drank all summer and said he leaned out. If I made it I would of done before and after pics to show it's effectiveness. Proof is in the pudding brother. I like your products but I'm not liking this either. And this is just my opinion. I'm sure ursobolic 2 will have something in it to make it more effective, but until then back to the the drawing board on this one. I think epharm got a little sloppy on this product.
 
chedapalooza said:
Because I could predict the ineffectiveness before I tried it...

U missed the point entirely. All I said was 9-18 pills a day is impractical. Why not just have it in higher dose caps? Once u jumped down my throat about that, I gave it back to u but u didn't like it.
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this product was a nitemare to encapsulate. we bought the red and black empty caps and so have to use them. to our dissapointment we realized we could only fit so much material in each so it ends up that to get the dosage you have to ingest alot of capsules. this does irritate some people but most seem to deal with it.

we hope to change the capsules and bottle size when we run out of inventory of each
 
chedapalooza said:
Stop putting words in my mouth and taking thins out of context. 9-18 pills PLUS other supps one may take as staples daily. Too much of ANYTHING is not good for you. And these capsules have been shown to not fully digest, build up, and cause
Gi issues ..
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no one has ever in the history of the world had a hard gelatin cap not fully dissolve in their stomach. u are thinking about tablets.
 
Mission1 said:
Honestly I like epharm but I think this supplement does suck. I think it was released way to early. Should have done more beta testing besides the maker who drank all summer and said he leaned out. If I made it I would of done before and after pics to show it's effectiveness. Proof is in the pudding brother. I like your products but I'm not liking this either. And this is just my opinion. I'm sure ursobolic 2 will have something in it to make it more effective, but until then back to the the drawing board on this one. I think epharm got a little sloppy on this product.
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i have alot of people that are absolutely loving this product.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i have alot of people that are absolutely loving this product.
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I'm sure you do pat. I feel I'm a good responder to supplements based on how I look and feel. I'm at full dose for almost 2 weeks. And on my 4th. bottle. I wish I could report something better than smoke burps and a little or slight appetite decrease. I'm following other threads to adjust my game plan but to no prevail. Still believe in epharm, just this supplement is so far a let down.
 
I bought two bottles. Thinking I might get a third. No reason not to take it when it's so cheap ;)

I'm using it in PCT and logging everything I'm running.

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Mission1 said:
I'm sure you do pat. I feel I'm a good responder to supplements based on how I look and feel. I'm at full dose for almost 2 weeks. And on my 4th. bottle. I wish I could report something better than smoke burps and a little or slight appetite decrease. I'm following other threads to adjust my game plan but to no prevail. Still believe in epharm, just this supplement is so far a let down.
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would like to see u give it four weeks before you make a final decision on how it works. bodyfat in particular
 
RoadBlocK said:
cant please everybody
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i was just visiting our biggest distributor last week and the sales guys said their biggest complaint from stores about the ursobolic is that since its so cheap they cant make as much money per bottle as they would like.

when we consolidate the two bottles into one larger bottle i think people will be happier all around. Its really all perception though, i think
 
Patrick Arnold said:
one guy says its expensive. another guy says its cheap

wtf?
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Its been my experience that somehow folks equate the number of capsules required to expense. I have pointed out time and again that the per dose price even at 18 per day is very reasonable. I paid 13.95each for my last two bottle and $45 for 2 on my first purchase. So for $28 at standard dosing its a few days shy of a month's worth. At high dosing $56 or a $1.86 per day at standard less than a buck. So for the price of a McDouble a day you can take Ursobolic. "Ursobolic, standard daily dose, $.96. Ursobolic High Dose $1.86 Eating pasta and rice and Drinking beer and still having my sixpack......Priceless" lol I've most certainly paid more for a lot less effectiveness. Its nice to eat beans pasta and still be lean.

pics to prove it and I'm no spring chicken

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Guys I am going to run a few bottles during PCT, suggested dosing for someone that is ~220?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
would like to see u give it four weeks before you make a final decision on how it works. bodyfat in particular
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I will give it longer because I bought 4 more from n/p. So that will be a total of 8 bottles. Then we can review this again. Fair? And I will be at full dose.
 
Mission1 said:
I will give it longer because I bought 4 more from n/p. So that will be a total of 8 bottles. Then we can review this again. Fair? And I will be at full dose.
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Just remember bro, some ph's take longer than 2 weeks to manifest results. Stick with it, it does work
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Ok I admit, the only reason I don't eat pork is because I'm afraid of worms.
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I Love pork... but i found that if I eat lean pork... it doesn't stay with me... I have to eat it with fat... which makes me wonder if the protein structure of pork just doesn't do well with me.... or the lean cuts of pork HAVE WORM?!?!

Steak and chicken for me! (Until I go back home to hawaii where I will have no choice but to eat Kalua Pig....)
 
Mission1 said:
I will give it longer because I bought 4 more from n/p. So that will be a total of 8 bottles. Then we can review this again. Fair? And I will be at full dose.
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yea man, that's the fairest assessment you could give a product IMO. Good luck, and don't be too negative. It's probably working magic inside you... (The health studies are great btw!)
 
truthornothin said:
Just remember bro, some ph's take longer than 2 weeks to manifest results. Stick with it, it does work
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In for the long haul, but 8 is the cut off. Big fan of Pat, but I will call it like it is. I work my ass of in the gym and try to keep clean with food until the weekend then I throw a cheat in because I'm human. Thanks for your input. I'll keep you posted.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Ok I admit, the only reason I don't eat pork is because I'm afraid of worms.
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Dude I am a southerner, I grew up on bbq'ed pork never had worms you just have to get it to 160+ and MMMMMM DAYUM!!! Its good
 
truthornothin said:
Dude I am a southerner, I grew up on bbq'ed pork never had worms you just have to get it to 160+ and MMMMMM DAYUM!!! Its good
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Got a recipe? I agree it's good I just am a terrible cook and by the time I get it to 160 the meat is too dry to enjoy.
 
Mission1 said:
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In for the long haul, but 8 is the cut off. Big fan of Pat, but I will call it like it is. I work my ass of in the gym and try to keep clean with food until the weekend then I throw a cheat in because I'm human. Thanks for your input. I'll keep you posted.
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That's all anyone can ask man, thanks for hangin' in
 
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