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New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !

FL3X MAGNUM said:
Got a recipe? I agree it's good I just am a terrible cook and by the time I get it to 160 the meat is too dry to enjoy.
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If you have a slow cooker that's that's the easiest way, Low and slow, When I cook ribs I do it at 250 for 2-3 hours, I haven't made bbq in a while I'll dig through my recipes and see what i can find. We do it different in NC than the rest of the country, Our sauce isn't very sweet its more vinegar based. Lemme' see what I can find for you. Lean cuts of pork do get a little dry, we tend to use the fattier cuts like Boston Butt and defat it after cooking.
 
chedapalooza said:
In all honesty yes, 9-18 pills? That's awful for ur intestines... Also toting around those pills all day n having them break bc of their poor quality Is quite frustrating. I've tried to be as objective as possible, and ask questions to educate myself and others. But apparently all who do not think like u are immediately spoken down to.

Not sure why I would take advice from some one who admittedly developed the product while intoxicated all summer. Sorry but I won't shell out my hard earned $ for An unproven product that breaks n is intentionally dosed so low that people r forced to buy 3 bottles to make it thru one month. Just another example of the 1% sticking it to the 99... supplement moguls r no different.

How do u like being talked down to? I won't yield to you just bc you are some bootleg chemist who slaps a label on something n gives it a catchy name and a list of *possible* effects.

Peace dude.

Edit: rep points from TWO users on this. I can't be that wrong.
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chedapalooza said:
If a bottle of 120 caps cost the consumer 13-14$... I highly doubt it costs u more than 2$ tops to encapsulate, bottle, label, and ship! Lol don't start w economics now too.. If u weren't gonna make bucks it woulda never been released. Why hasn't this substance been used for decades prior if its So magical. It's all marketing

Capsules r bad bc if ur forced to choke down minimum of 9 a day and upwards of 18, on top of others like staples, it builds up n causes gi issues, don't play dumb. Furthermore, your body burps up crappy food right? Just like it burps up crappy substances that dont belong that u can't digest= smoke burps. I have even had then when taking caps with literally a teaspoon of mayo and/or olive oil.

This conversations over. Not gonna indulge ur ego anymore. Customers not always right. N I'm no longer a customer.
Btw I got rep points from the first post. So I know I'm not the only one
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oufinny said:
Guys I am going to run a few bottles during PCT, suggested dosing for someone that is ~220?
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9 - 18 caps per day with dietary fats.
 
I think people get caught up looking at the product weight as a capsule number.

Recommendations for some things vary by gram amounts i.e a conversation on the upper levels of tested agmatine usage in another thread is 1-2g which is the same range as 9-18 capsules (100%)

People comment when I take 10-15 EAA or BCAA capsules on how many supplements I take but then take the same dosage in powder form. Gelatine is very easy to break down, you only have to hold one capsule in your mouth or a wet hand for 30 seconds to notice that.

I appreciate that the only testimonial came from a drunk product formulator which isn't ideal but I think the capsule thing can be laid to rest. I know many well educated health professionals that supplement with gelatine so maybe that many capsules aren't a bad idea. ;)
 
chedapalooza said:
Just like it burps up crappy substances that dont belong that u can't digest= smoke burps. I have even had then when taking caps with literally a teaspoon of mayo and/or olive oil.

dont think thats enuff fats mate with the pills,

ive not had 1 smoke burp yet, to me the people who are are not digesting the ursobolic how can they be when they burp the powder out, maybe not enuff fats or not taking them with enuff food to push em down
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bdcc said:
I think people get caught up looking at the product weight as a capsule number.

Recommendations for some things vary by gram amounts i.e a conversation on the upper levels of tested agmatine usage in another thread is 1-2g which is the same range as 9-18 capsules (100%)

People comment when I take 10-15 EAA or BCAA capsules on how many supplements I take but then take the same dosage in powder form. Gelatine is very easy to break down, you only have to hold one capsule in your mouth or a wet hand for 30 seconds to notice that.

I appreciate that the only testimonial came from a drunk product formulator which isn't ideal but I think the capsule thing can be laid to rest. I know many well educated health professionals that supplement with gelatine so maybe that many capsules aren't a bad idea. ;)
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I cannot remember where I posted but gelatin even has purported health benefits, perhaps there are advantaged to all those caps. I can think of other reasons smaller more numerous caps are more beneficial and better than one large cap. Dose control- you have more freedom to dose it as you deem appropriate, you can zero in on your most efficacious dose. Ease of swallowing- many have trouble with large pills or capsules smaller caps means you can break down your dose in easy to swallow increments.

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Gelatin is a colorless, odorless, and tasteless thickening agent, which when dissolved in hot water and cooled, forms a jelly. Gelatin is a mixture of proteins extracted from animal collagen by a process known as hydrolysis. Collagen actually makes up almost a third of all the protein in the human body. It is a big, fibrous molecule that makes skin, bones, and tendons both strong and elastic. The collagen use for making gelatin usually comes from beef and veal bones, cartilage, tendons and other tissue. Much of the commercial gelatin today is made from pig skin. Recently, gelatin has entered the nutritional supplement marketplace for use in bone and joint health. Gelatin is usually found in combination with other supplements such as vitamin C, calcium, glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and willow bark.
Commercial Making of Gelatin: To make gelatin, manufacturers grind up the various animal parts and pre-treat them with either a strong acid or a strong base to break down cellular structures and release proteins like collagen. After pre-treatment, the resulting mixture is boiled. During this process, the large collagen protein ends up being partially broken down, and the resulting product is called gelatin.


Health Benefits:

  • Gelatin appears to be beneficial to athletes for muscle growth and metabolism.
  • Gelatin promotes a feeling of fullness.
  • Gelatin helps maintain regularity
  • Gelatin's high collagen protein content helps keep your skin smooth and firm. Many creams contain collagen to moisturize the skin but it is more effective when taken through food.
  • Gelatin strengthens the hair, keeping it looking shiny and healthy.
  • Gelatin is also excellent for the nails because it makes them stronger, so they do not break easily.
  • Gelatin is excellent for your bones because of its high concentration of glycoprotein and proline amino acids. If you have a deficiency in both amino acids, you can have joint pain. When it is taken orally, it travels directly to your blood and from there; it goes to its destination, the connective tissue. By adding at least 10 grams of gelatin to your regular diet, your joints will quickly regenerate in case you overexert yourself.


Nutrient in Gelatin: The gelatin is rich in the amino acids found in collagen, including L-proline, L-hydroxyproline, and glycine. It contains no fat, cholesterol or carbohydrates, is free of any additives and easy to digest. Gelatin makes a nutritious addition to your everyday diet.
Culinary uses: Gelatin is used mostly as a stabilizer and thickening agent in desserts, ice cream, jellies and yogurt, cream cheese, marshmallows, gummy bears, aspic and margarine. Gelatin is also used now in cosmetics and pharmaceuticals
Important note: Don't pour gelatin directly onto a boiling liquid, as it loses its gelatinous property.


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bdcc said:
I appreciate that the only testimonial came from a drunk product formulator
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LOL, you make PA sound like some type of crazy (drunken) scientist :lol:

But it's a good point, PA is the only person who has tried the product and all we have is 'it kept him lean while drinking a lot of alcohol during the Summer'. There is no mention of any other supps taken, training, cardio, etc. I think a lot of people are just seeing that PA gave this the thumbs up and are expecting it to be some silver bullet that allows people to eat at maintenance calories and still lose fat or eat very average diets and remain lean. Maybe it will work like that for some people but I can't see it working for everyone.
 
I do admit when I saw him say "I leaned out and spent my summer drinking" that is the image I had. He could have happily added "and sleeping with women" and portrayed himself as the rock star rebellious product formulator lol.

Back to topic!
 
chedapalooza said:
Stop putting words in my mouth and taking thins out of context. 9-18 pills PLUS other supps one may take as staples daily. Too much of ANYTHING is not good for you. And these capsules have been shown to not fully digest, build up, and cause
Gi issues .


cant be good if urso causes gi distress,
Is there any proof evidence of this anywhere that ursobolic causes gi issues cheda ?

.....anyone any evidence?
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I think Cheda said he swallows staples a couple pages back. This could be why he is against swallowing so many pills...I know I would hate to swallow even one after I swallowed staples.
 
interested to see any evidence or proof of ursobolic causing gi distress as cheda states


guess thats the price one has to pay when taking multiple supps a day staples or stacks wotever, obv its gonna amount to a few pills to neck each day
 
miniarnold said:
chedapalooza said:
Just like it burps up crappy substances that dont belong that u can't digest= smoke burps. I have even had then when taking caps with literally a teaspoon of mayo and/or olive oil.

dont think thats enuff fats mate with the pills,

ive not had 1 smoke burp yet, to me the people who are are not digesting the ursobolic how can they be when they burp the powder out, maybe not enuff fats or not taking them with enuff food to push em down
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the powder will tend to lay on top of the food contents in your stomach and stay dry, until your stomach churns enough to mix it in. to avoid this, you should eat AFTER taking the pills
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miniarnold said:
ive not had 1 smoke burp yet, to me the people who are are not digesting the ursobolic how can they be when they burp the powder out, maybe not enuff fats or not taking them with enuff food to push em down
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Just drink it down with seltzer and no food or fat, and pay attention when you burp. If you burp through your nose thats where the fun really is at.
 
Four week update taking 9-12 caps per day (I take 3 caps with each meal).
I'm up 3lbs since the start but my waist/stomach are actually slightly smaller. The veins in my arms are more pronounced and based on the "mirror", I'd say I've lost some fat, especially in stomach. There hasn't been any change in diet or training.
My workouts are good and my joints feel great, loving the anti-inflammatory properties.
I had my blood pressure checked a few days ago and it was down slightly (120/68 from 120/75 normally)

I have enough pills for another 10-12 days. I may get 2 more bottles but drop the dose to 2 caps per meal (6-8 per day) to see if I notice anything and have the bottle last a bit longer.
 
edvanp said:
Four week update taking 9-12 caps per day (I take 3 caps with each meal).
I'm up 3lbs since the start but my waist/stomach are actually slightly smaller. The veins in my arms are more pronounced and based on the "mirror", I'd say I've lost some fat, especially in stomach. There hasn't been any change in diet or training.
My workouts are good and my joints feel great, loving the anti-inflammatory properties.
I had my blood pressure checked a few days ago and it was down slightly (120/68 from 120/75 normally)

I have enough pills for another 10-12 days. I may get 2 more bottles but drop the dose to 2 caps per meal (6-8 per day) to see if I notice anything and have the bottle last a bit longer.
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Excellent results man!!
Making me more and more anxious to run this stuff!!
 
Patrick Arnold said:
miniarnold said:
the powder will tend to lay on top of the food contents in your stomach and stay dry, until your stomach churns enough to mix it in. to avoid this, you should eat AFTER taking the pills
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thats the way forward, taking them at the start of the meal with the rest of meal to push em down thats the way ive been doing it and as said no smoke burps, those with smoke burps not enough fats or not pushing them down with enuff food
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FL3X MAGNUM said:
I think Cheda said he swallows staples a couple pages back. This could be why he is against swallowing so many pills...I know I would hate to swallow even one after I swallowed staples.
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Yes, correct.. So that is why any auxiliary products I choose to use, I like them to do easy n low dose..
 
Patrick Arnold said:
gi distress from the product is pretty much unheard of thusfar, and there is no reason to expect there to be any

now please drop it
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Dropped on this end, if u haven't noticed, miniarnold tends to Over state and twist everyone's words.. This has happened in other threads on other topics as well. Dropped here none the less
 
chedapalooza said:
Dropped on this end, if u haven't noticed, miniarnold tends to Over state and twist everyone's words.. This has happened in other threads on other topics as well. Dropped here none the less
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ok,
just not going to comment, choosing not to start an internet bitch fight i have no interest think what u wish young man
 
miniarnold said:
ok,
just not going to comment, choosing not to start an internet bitch fight i have no interest think what u wish young man
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Not to fuel the fire but you just did comment lol.
 
henryv said:
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9 - 18 caps per day with dietary fats.
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Thanks, I can read the label. I was thinking what is optimal for 2 bottles to get the best results but I see that was obviously overlooked in my clearly obvious question.
 
oufinny said:
Thanks, I can read the label. I was thinking what is optimal for 2 bottles to get the best results but I see that was obviously overlooked in my clearly obvious question.
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at this point we have little idea what is optimal for anyone. and it may be years before we know.

now if everyone were willing to pay pharmaceutical prices for the product (hundred or more bucks a bottle) then i might be able to afford an expensive dose finding study like they do with prescription drugs. but somehow i doubt that will happen. so, in lieu of that, we have our own dose finding study through commercial sales of the product and user feedback
 
I'm all for subjecting myself to human study for a product that could make me healthier. You can expect feedback from me.
 
Well good day today . No smoke burps. Definitely take them first and them chow down food. Hopefully this maybe the first issue of the product not kicking in yet. No more magic shows for my peers.
 
Mission1 said:
Well good day today . No smoke burps. Definitely take them first and them chow down food. Hopefully this maybe the first issue of the product not kicking in yet. No more magic shows for my peers.
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I'm on day 40 and never had a single smoke belch, I was so hoping for a smoke fart.....preferably at work during my review....but no such luck lol All kidding aside I taken them after my meals usually but my fat intake defies common logic I eat pretty much unlimited fats, carbs are the only things I ever sweat. Hope that no smoke burp is indeed the signal urso is gonna kick in for you
 
Bumping for updates..

Personally at day 16 , 9 a day, noticing less bloat n able to eat more.. Scale is same, look leaner, however muscle size has decreased. Yes, decreased.. Eating more, smaller muscles, less bf. SO confused. Also on ebol. Could be over training causing me to not heal n grow... Have enough to get me to December 5 at 9/day n will be moving to less volume workout starting Monday the 14th.. May try to cut back 5-10 of cardio n see if I can't get some muscle growth n fullbness back... Pretty frustrating, feel like one of those fat skinny ppl!! Anyone else noticing softer muscles?!
 
Muscle size has decreased or you just look softer?

If it is muscle size please provide measurements, I would be curious to know.

Also important not to tarnish this product with a muscle atrophy brush if you just feel smaller without anything conclusive. Most gym addicts are not able to tell these things with common instance of body dysmorphia to some degree.

If I feel like doing so and do a Conny and buy 8 bottles I could just do an objective log with a 12 point skinfold test using harpenden calipers, precise weight readings and girth measurements and answer some of these questions.
 
bdcc said:
Muscle size has decreased or you just look softer?

If it is muscle size please provide measurements, I would be curious to know.

Also important not to tarnish this product with a muscle atrophy brush if you just feel smaller without anything conclusive. Most gym addicts are not able to tell these things with common instance of body dysmorphia to some degree.

If I feel like doing so and do a Conny and buy 8 bottles I could just do an objective log with a 12 point skinfold test using harpenden calipers, precise weight readings and girth measurements and answer some of these questions.
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good plan and imo ideally run it solo if possible, or with the bear minimum of supps ideally non that are supposed to make you leaner and bigger
 
would it be ok to take other supps with urso at the same meal,
like other pills from a tbooster which have to be taken with meals also?
 
3 weeks in and loving this. 0.8inches down in waist size and that is after a weekend of fun : drinking and eating :head:
Recently dropped down to 12caps/day
 
ConcreteConny said:
3 weeks in and loving this. 0.8inches down in waist size and that is after a weekend of fun : drinking and eating :head:
Recently dropped down to 12caps/day
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Glad to hear it, I have eaten nothing but delicious fatty carb laden foods for days not bloated still have my six
 
bdcc said:
Muscle size has decreased or you just look softer?

If it is muscle size please provide measurements, I would be curious to know.

Also important not to tarnish this product with a muscle atrophy brush if you just feel smaller without anything conclusive. Most gym addicts are not able to tell these things with common instance of body dysmorphia to some degree.

If I feel like doing so and do a Conny and buy 8 bottles I could just do an objective log with a 12 point skinfold test using harpenden calipers, precise weight readings and girth measurements and answer some of these questions.
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I look really flat. Like REALLY. I ear low carb so I'm used to it. Bit even this is like bad for me.. I wish I had measurements.. Pants and shirts r looser though for certain. I've never been one to measure... It'll just give me more OCD :/

But I think maybe I just need to increase calories or decrease cardio.. Due to effects of urso and ebol with greater nutrient utilization ? That's my THEORY/GUESS
 
miniarnold said:
seriously
as not sure if it would impair digestion and effectivness of either product when all are swallowed down with the same meal
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I don't think it should cause any problems either way
 
Nothing to report at all to e pharms claims. 18 a day. On my 5th bottle. No smoke burps because I've been taking then first and then eating. Clothing still fitting the same. Trying to stay positive, but I'm not happy with this product so far. Appetite suppression had actually subsided. Thinking I definitely wasted my money. Might just throw the rest of the bottles in the trash.
 
miniarnold said:
seriously
as not sure if it would impair digestion and effectivness of either product when all are swallowed down with the same meal
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the only supplements i can think of that are recommended not to take together are competing minerals like magnesium and calcium, that sort of thing
 
Mission1 said:
Nothing to report at all to e pharms claims. 18 a day. On my 5th bottle. No smoke burps because I've been taking then first and then eating. Clothing still fitting the same. Trying to stay positive, but I'm not happy with this product so far. Appetite suppression had actually subsided. Thinking I definitely wasted my money. Might just throw the rest of the bottles in the trash.
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why would you throw them in the trash intstead of finishing them? tired of swallowing?
 
Mission1 said:
You like talking down to paying customers? Real professional..
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Amen. Did it to me too... Real professionals obviously boast about developing/testing a product while drink all summer long.. Must really be into the sport and lifestyle too! Smh
 
chedapalooza said:
Amen. Did it to me too... Real professionals obviously boast about developing/testing a product while drink all summer long.. Must really be into the sport and lifestyle too! Smh
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I think he's a coward . I noticed this since he released Testforce. ****y, arrogant, and thinks his sh-t don't stink. I see the writing on the wall. His end is very near.Usually happens fast when owners of business can't answer a straight question and his ***got ass can't imagine that somebody could ass such a question. Forget your roots Patsy!
 
Mission1 said:
You like talking down to paying customers? Real professional..
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IMO paying customers can post their experiences in a more cordial and professional manner instead of going all over the board making ludicrous statements such as throwing out product in the garbage.

There is a reason your getting these types of responses.
 
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