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Am I the only one that lol’d at “osthole”
Normal Osthole would be fantastic but It has terrible properties.
Low solubility
low bioavailability
Extremely fast first pass metabolism. Roughly 80+% is gone after 20 min.

Which is why WE use Osthole cyclodextrin complex to improve solubility and bioavilability.
And Quercetin niacin co crystals which strongly inhibits its metabolism. This means instead of clearing in 20 min you have it available for several hours making it exceptionally potent vs nearly useless.

Of course normal quercetin has about 1% bioavailability meaning without the co crystalization its also worthless and wouldnt help inhibit metabolism.

I absolutely guarantee you no other osthole is even close.
Normal osthole is basically useless for our purposes.
This stuff is insanely good.

Laughing just means you dont understand whats happening.
The write up will help enlighten you I think.
 
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Labor Day email just hit my inbox, be on the lookout!
 
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I don't think you guys need to get defensive, I am pretty sure Woody was more making a joke about how Osthole sounds like Asshole (at least my childish mind makes the two sound similar when pronounced...).

Write up was interesting, doesn't look like I missed the ideas behind inclusion. Wish it wasn't prop blended, but I appreciate another interesting take on pumps (and performance and health) with the thought process behind this one reminding me of the outside of the box take on this similar to Morphopump (in outside of the box thinking not in similar ingredients).

I think the potential benefits of decreasing stimulant based vasoconstriction via Osthole was the research that seemed most intriguing. It was a bit beyond my abilities to interpret, but sounds interesting.
 
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Labor Day email just hit my inbox, be on the lookout!
I never got an email .. thought I was subbed to blr email .. they always have nice deals plus free amino’s going around :)

Can a rep help me and check out email subscription
 
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I didn't receive the email either, odd.

Edit - I just rec'd the email.
 
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I never got an email .. thought I was subbed to blr email .. they always have nice deals plus free amino’s going around :)

Can a rep help me and check out email subscription
I don’t have a way to check, id resubscribe to the email list and ill ask Brundel about the subscription.

The code is LABOR for 25% off.
 
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I don't think you guys need to get defensive, I am pretty sure Woody was more making a joke about how Osthole sounds like Asshole (at least my childish mind makes the two sound similar when pronounced...).

Write up was interesting, doesn't look like I missed the ideas behind inclusion. Wish it wasn't prop blended, but I appreciate another interesting take on pumps (and performance and health) with the thought process behind this one reminding me of the outside of the box take on this similar to Morphopump (in outside of the box thinking not in similar ingredients).

I think the potential benefits of decreasing stimulant based vasoconstriction via Osthole was the research that seemed most intriguing. It was a bit beyond my abilities to interpret, but sounds interesting.
I dont think he meant it this way. Hes an OL rep. It would be HIGHLY unusual for any OL rep to say anything other than something negative or unhelpful. And, Since there is a LOOONG history of this type of behavior It isnt something I am interested in tolerating. I do appreciate you looking to downplay it but the more these things are overlooked the more they think its ok.
Trust me brother I dont want to spend my time dealing with BS but the internet is full of people who enjoy nothing more than talking crap because in real life there are consequences. The internet has made people way to comfortable with disrespecting people without getting punched in the face for it.

Prop blend is there because again there is a LONG history of competitors cloning our products or biting choice ingredients and calling it their innovation. We have taken the approach of using clever but still within guidelines labeling. Which is why recent attempts to clone our products failed miserably. Its sort of like putting CAR on the label but its a ferrari. Competitors then create products with (CAR) 1987 honda civic and nobody knows why their version only goes 40mph and ours goes 200.

HAN SWOLO was tested against 5 other top industry vasodilators.
With and without stimulants.
This is a big part of why we used the ingredients we did. Stim tolerance. I think formulators just dont reallly think things through.
Whats the purpose of mixing vasodilators with 1000mg of stims? Particularly ones that are dominated by the stims.
Customers are just paying for nothing as half the ingredients in the product conflict or cancel out.

This product is a small part of something bigger coming in the next few months.
 
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I dont think he meant it this way. Hes an OL rep. It would be HIGHLY unusual for any OL rep to say anything other than something negative or unhelpful. And, Since there is a LOOONG history of this type of behavior It isnt something I am interested in tolerating. I do appreciate you looking to downplay it but the more these things are overlooked the more they think its ok.
Trust me brother I dont want to spend my time dealing with BS but the internet is full of people who enjoy nothing more than talking crap because in real life there are consequences. The internet has made people way to comfortable with disrespecting people without getting punched in the face for it.

Prop blend is there because again there is a LONG history of competitors cloning our products or biting choice ingredients and calling it their innovation. We have taken the approach of using clever but still within guidelines labeling. Which is why recent attempts to clone our products failed miserably. Its sort of like putting CAR on the label but its a ferrari. Competitors then create products with (CAR) 1987 honda civic and nobody knows why their version only goes 40mph and ours goes 200.

HAN SWOLO was tested against 5 other top industry vasodilators.
With and without stimulants.
This is a big part of why we used the ingredients we did. Stim tolerance. I think formulators just dont reallly think things through.
Whats the purpose of mixing vasodilators with 1000mg of stims? Particularly ones that are dominated by the stims.
Customers are just paying for nothing as half the ingredients in the product conflict or cancel out.

This product is a small part of something bigger coming in the next few months.
Ok I can see how that is frustrating, sorry for that.
 

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I dont think he meant it this way. Hes an OL rep. It would be HIGHLY unusual for any OL rep to say anything other than something negative or unhelpful. And, Since there is a LOOONG history of this type of behavior It isnt something I am interested in tolerating. I do appreciate you looking to downplay it but the more these things are overlooked the more they think its ok.
Trust me brother I dont want to spend my time dealing with BS but the internet is full of people who enjoy nothing more than talking crap because in real life there are consequences. The internet has made people way to comfortable with disrespecting people without getting punched in the face for it.

Prop blend is there because again there is a LONG history of competitors cloning our products or biting choice ingredients and calling it their innovation. We have taken the approach of using clever but still within guidelines labeling. Which is why recent attempts to clone our products failed miserably. Its sort of like putting CAR on the label but its a ferrari. Competitors then create products with (CAR) 1987 honda civic and nobody knows why their version only goes 40mph and ours goes 200.

HAN SWOLO was tested against 5 other top industry vasodilators.
With and without stimulants.
This is a big part of why we used the ingredients we did. Stim tolerance. I think formulators just dont reallly think things through.
Whats the purpose of mixing vasodilators with 1000mg of stims? Particularly ones that are dominated by the stims.
Customers are just paying for nothing as half the ingredients in the product conflict or cancel out.

This product is a small part of something bigger coming in the next few months.
He's no longer an OL rep so his comments are his own. He's a good dude so I'm sure he meant no disrespect.
 
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I don’t have a way to check, id resubscribe to the email list and ill ask Brundel about the subscription.

The code is LABOR for 25% off.
Thank you for sharing it
 
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Anyone else notice the forums are exceptionally slow these days. I dont mean speed I mean traffic.
There was a time where I would post a new product thread and we would have 10k views easy in a week.
Now the new product threads dont break 2-3k total lifetime value.
 

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I dont think he meant it this way. Hes an OL rep. It would be HIGHLY unusual for any OL rep to say anything other than something negative or unhelpful. And, Since there is a LOOONG history of this type of behavior It isnt something I am interested in tolerating. I do appreciate you looking to downplay it but the more these things are overlooked the more they think its ok.
Trust me brother I dont want to spend my time dealing with BS but the internet is full of people who enjoy nothing more than talking crap because in real life there are consequences. The internet has made people way to comfortable with disrespecting people without getting punched in the face for it.

Prop blend is there because again there is a LONG history of competitors cloning our products or biting choice ingredients and calling it their innovation. We have taken the approach of using clever but still within guidelines labeling. Which is why recent attempts to clone our products failed miserably. Its sort of like putting CAR on the label but its a ferrari. Competitors then create products with (CAR) 1987 honda civic and nobody knows why their version only goes 40mph and ours goes 200.

HAN SWOLO was tested against 5 other top industry vasodilators.
With and without stimulants.
This is a big part of why we used the ingredients we did. Stim tolerance. I think formulators just dont reallly think things through.
Whats the purpose of mixing vasodilators with 1000mg of stims? Particularly ones that are dominated by the stims.
Customers are just paying for nothing as half the ingredients in the product conflict or cancel out.

This product is a small part of something bigger coming in the next few months.
Well said.
 
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I don't think you guys need to get defensive, I am pretty sure Woody was more making a joke about how Osthole sounds like Asshole (at least my childish mind makes the two sound similar when pronounced...).

Write up was interesting, doesn't look like I missed the ideas behind inclusion. Wish it wasn't prop blended, but I appreciate another interesting take on pumps (and performance and health) with the thought process behind this one reminding me of the outside of the box take on this similar to Morphopump (in outside of the box thinking not in similar ingredients).

I think the potential benefits of decreasing stimulant based vasoconstriction via Osthole was the research that seemed most intriguing. It was a bit beyond my abilities to interpret, but sounds interesting.
At least someone got the joke. Went over every elses head apparently
 
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I dont think he meant it this way. Hes an OL rep. It would be HIGHLY unusual for any OL rep to say anything other than something negative or unhelpful. And, Since there is a LOOONG history of this type of behavior It isnt something I am interested in tolerating. I do appreciate you looking to downplay it but the more these things are overlooked the more they think its ok.
Trust me brother I dont want to spend my time dealing with BS but the internet is full of people who enjoy nothing more than talking crap because in real life there are consequences. The internet has made people way to comfortable with disrespecting people without getting punched in the face for it.
Well, you are wrong on multiple counts.

I don’t rep for OL, and haven’t for a while. I don’t even know if my signature says OL because I exclusively use mobile and, as I’m sure you’re well aware, forum members can’t change their signature anymore. So, if it’s not perfectly clear: neither myself nor my post has any officiation with OL.

Second, that’s exactly how I meant it. He’s not downplaying anything. I literally can’t hear anything but asshole when I see osthole. There was no disrespect intended. I would not expect you to use an ingredient that is not standardized for something. It would be a bit premature to laugh at an ingredient without seeing the write up.

If you think osthole sounds like asshole... Wait until you find out Han Swolo sounds like Han Solo.
 

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I am impressed by the launch price + Labor Day sale. I was expecting $39.99 so didn’t really look at this, but going ahead and trying this and your nootropic for about that price combined. First BLR product, interested to try and thanks for bringing something different to market
 
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I am impressed by the launch price + Labor Day sale. I was expecting $39.99 so didn’t really look at this, but going ahead and trying this and your nootropic for about that price combined. First BLR product, interested to try and thanks for bringing something different to market
We appreciate your support and definitely let us know what you think!
 
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Well, you are wrong on multiple counts.

I don’t rep for OL, and haven’t for a while. I don’t even know if my signature says OL because I exclusively use mobile and, as I’m sure you’re well aware, forum members can’t change their signature anymore. So, if it’s not perfectly clear: neither myself nor my post has any officiation with OL.

Second, that’s exactly how I meant it. He’s not downplaying anything. I literally can’t hear anything but asshole when I see osthole. There was no disrespect intended. I would not expect you to use an ingredient that is not standardized for something. It would be a bit premature to laugh at an ingredient without seeing the write up.

If you think osthole sounds like asshole... Wait until you find out Han Swolo sounds like Han Solo.
Awesome, Glad I am wrong. Trust me bro the last thing any of us need is negativity in our lives. Im over it.
Im sure you can understand my defensive position given historic events.

And if I am not mistaken osthole is german for asshole.
So this makes perfect sense.
 
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Anyone else notice the forums are exceptionally slow these days. I dont mean speed I mean traffic.
There was a time where I would post a new product thread and we would have 10k views easy in a week.
Now the new product threads dont break 2-3k total lifetime value.
Yep 100 percent - no new ios app and seems anyone who says anything against a sponsor brand is banned- do u blame ppl for not bothering anymore
 
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Anyone else notice the forums are exceptionally slow these days. I dont mean speed I mean traffic.
There was a time where I would post a new product thread and we would have 10k views easy in a week.
Now the new product threads dont break 2-3k total lifetime value.
I definitely do! New topics and new replies were nonstop all across the board - where as now there are only a handful within an hour or so. I miss those days! Miss some of the long time regulars too!
 
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For some lifting isn't for life. I have run into some old lifting buddies over the years and they are skinny or fat and or out of shape.
It's not easy or everyone would do it. I raised 3 kids, Coached 2 of them in sports at a high level and still found time to hit the gym. granted not as much but I did. I'm also lucky that Im 1/2 mile from a 24/7 gym, and stayed in hotels with a gym.
 

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I bought two bottles and just wondering if you can take this with another pre with caffeine
 
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I bought two bottles and just wondering if you can take this with another pre with caffeine
Yes, you can. I do recommend trying out solo, or with Caffeine first, to experience Han Swolo, but it could be taken with agmatine or citrulline. There is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to vasilodators, so stacking with other vasilodators may not yield extra benefits beyond what Han Swolo can do, but stacking with other vasilodators might lower BP to uncomfortable levels. Stacking with some salt and glycepump would be great.
 
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I bought two bottles and just wondering if you can take this with another pre with caffeine
Works very well with stimulants.
 
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I bought two bottles and just wondering if you can take this with another pre with caffeine
I bought two bottles and just wondering if you can take this with another pre with caffeine
I wouldn't think that wouldn't be an issue. I would assume your pre does not have the same ingredients as Han Swolo.
 
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