New AI's????!!!!

louisaboy said:
Love the confidence. I was wondering if I should try out rebirth even though im not on any cycle or anything. Gonna take some Viron though. Should be a good combo with the TD AI
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Rebirth is not intended to be anabolic.
Its intended to manage estrogen levels and restore HPTA function.
Best used during PCT or alongside a test booster. It will work well with Viron or our new AIs.
 
louisaboy said:
Love the confidence. I was wondering if I should try out rebirth even though im not on any cycle or anything. Gonna take some Viron though. Should be a good combo with the TD AI
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Have you tried Viron on its own yet? If not I'll give that a try with our new Ai that should be out within 2 weeks hopefully. You won't be disappointed with the combo.

Save rebirth for pct better as Brundel said it helps restore HPTA function and control estro, which is great at.
 
Hi , got a question for you brundel. Did the new oral AI gonna be suicidal like arimistane or more like arimidex ? I'm shooting 200mg weekly for cruise but my last blood check tell me I'm flooded with E2 . Thx
 
MactwistZ said:
Hi , got a question for you brundel. Did the new oral AI gonna be suicidal like arimistane or more like arimidex ? I'm shooting 200mg weekly for cruise but my last blood check tell me I'm flooded with E2 . Thx
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With regards to the new products i dont know. There are no studies to show one way or another. There are studies validating its use as an ai but since its not a medication nobody has spent the money to explore it more.
 
I've buy formeron, incederine and viron in the past , all working well for me. I'm gonna try your AI for sure . Atm i take 2 tablet of indoplex dim and .25 arimidex daily after my last test injection , my wood seem to came back at my pleasure . I'm feeling more horny today . From memory , I have 36 ? total testo, 1300 free but 215 pmol E2.
 
MactwistZ said:
Hi , got a question for you brundel. Did the new oral AI gonna be suicidal like arimistane or more like arimidex ? I'm shooting 200mg weekly for cruise but my last blood check tell me I'm flooded with E2 . Thx
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I've said it before but I'll say it one more time - the only thing Arimistane will suicide is your gains. If people are using it as a frame of reference for inhibiting aromatase, then even a normal, healthy baseline E2 level will seem mind blowingly fantastic in comparison. :p

It really can't be said enough though - it's one thing for a product to be ineffective, it's another for it to significantly worsen several hormone levels even when used as a standalone. Its effect on prolactin alone would make you balk.
 
conkertheking said:
I've said it before but I'll say it one more time - the only thing Arimistane will suicide is your gains. If people are using it as a frame of reference for inhibiting aromatase, then even a normal, healthy baseline E2 level will seem mind blowingly fantastic in comparison. :p

It really can't be said enough though - it's one thing for a product to be ineffective, it's another for it to significantly worsen several hormone levels even when used as a standalone. Its effect on prolactin alone would make you balk.
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It's quite sad and at the same time extremely unnerving to still see Arimistane and A.I in the same sentence. Could quite possibly be the greatest dupe in the history of the supplement industry.
 
3pic_B3ast said:
It's quite sad and at the same time extremely unnerving to still see Arimistane and A.I in the same sentence. Could quite possibly be the greatest dupe in the history of the supplement industry.
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Yes but i think armistane is a VERY affective supp. It just is not an AI though. Also i do believe its slightly suppressive to HPTA.
 
Huh? It's sold as an AI and you think it's not effective for that, HPTA suppressive, yet a "VERY" effective supplement?
 
kisaj said:
Huh? It's sold as an AI and you think it's not effective for that, HPTA suppressive, yet a "VERY" effective supplement?
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Yes it is effective as a diuretic and cortisol inhibition for weight loss purposes. As an AI useless. For restoration of HPTA useless(when i say mildly suppressive i mean MILDLY suppressive. If i had to make a guess of why it is suppressive i would say it is some sort of negative feedback loop involving cortisol. Because cortisol does play a major role in erections and sexual arousal.) As for weight loss it is VERY EFFECTIVE. I have used it for weight loss with great result.
 
I don't think it even has a major role in cortisol neither. It does help with it but not in the sense to drastically lower it
 
That's why u have to be thankful for Blr and the trust u can put in there supplements!
 
I don't want to derail this thread with a debate about Arimistane, so I'll simply post three sets of blood results and let them speak for themselves.

Whether or not Arimistane inhibits cortisol is irrelevant in my view. Any compound which trebles E2 and nearly doubles prolactin is dangerous and should be avoided by men in general.

Blood results one month before Arimistane:

Testosterone: 13.5 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol: 112 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH: 3.3 U/L, range 2-9
FSH: 1.9 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 214 mU/L, range 86-324

Blood results while on Arimistane:

Testosterone: 16.1 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol: 424 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH: 4.8 U/L, range 2-9
FSH: 2.2 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 349 mU/L, range 86-324
Prolactin minus macroprolactin: 276 mU/L, range 63-245

Blood test several months after stopping Arimistane:

Testosterone 12.5 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol 104 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH 3.5 U/L, range 2-9
FSH 2.2 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 174 mU/L, range 86-324

Draw your own conclusions.
 
conkertheking said:
I don't want to derail this thread with a debate about Arimistane, so I'll simply post three sets of blood results and let them speak for themselves.

Whether or not Arimistane inhibits cortisol is irrelevant in my view. Any compound which trebles E2 and doubles prolactin is dangerous and should be avoided by men in general.

Blood results one month before Arimistane:

Testosterone: 13.5 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol: 112 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH: 3.3 U/L, range 2-9
FSH: 1.9 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 214 mU/L, range 86-324

Blood results while on Arimistane:

Testosterone: 16.1 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol: 424 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH: 4.8 U/L, range 2-9
FSH: 2.2 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 349 mU/L, range 86-324
Prolactin minus macroprolactin: 276 mU/L, range 63-245

Blood test several months after stopping Arimistane:

Testosterone 12.5 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol 104 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH 3.5 U/L, range 2-9
FSH 2.2 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 174 mU/L, range 86-324

Draw your own conclusions.
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Just thought id chime in here, N=1 in this situation. Just because the compound effects you in this way doesnt mean it will do the same to every other person. In fact there is blood work showing lower E2 from Arimistane floating round.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Just thought id chime in here, N=1 in this situation. Just because the compound effects you in this way doesnt mean it will do the same to every other person. In fact there is blood work showing lower E2 from Arimistane floating round.
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That's a fair point, but as I say I've seen similar reports from other users - particularly with regard to prolactin spikes - and I've actually never seen any blood work showing any meaningful reduction in E2.
Don't want to drag the thread off topic, just feel compelled to point this out to people when I see it being touted as an AI, since there seems to be a very real risk of it having some seriously nasty side effects.
 
conkertheking said:
That's a fair point, but as I say I've seen similar reports from other users - particularly with regard to prolactin spikes - and I've actually never seen any blood work showing any meaningful reduction in E2.
Don't want to drag the thread off topic, just feel compelled to point this out to people when I see it being touted as an AI, since there seems to be a very real risk of it having some seriously nasty side effects.
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Don't get me wrong, objective views like what you have posted is exactly the kind of stuff that makes everyone more knowledgable and able to make better decisions. Personally I have never rated Arimistane for any practical uses past the slight drying effect it has. But yeah, just thought I would point the above out.
 
Bottom line Arimistane is in no way a substitute for a good pharm grade or rc AI (whether some had positive effects or not). Some, possibly many, thought this would be the case and suffered the consequences. Most should know better at this point.
Either way we will have legit otc options available now hopefully.
 
Inhibit-e is probably the best option out right now.

But would you trust it with 500mg of test a week?
 
brundel said:
Soon youll have something you CAN.

;)
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Kind of my point Brundel. Inhibit e seems to be a solid product. SNS is great for making such an affordable option. And if your natty it's a great supplement to stay lean and dry.

But it's really just that. And I really don't think SNS intended for it to be anything else.
 
brundel said:
Soon youll have something you CAN.

;)
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If its strong enough to be ran with 500mgs of test i would not want to use it then. Since i don't cycle and that is just to strong for me. To low estro isn't a good thing.

Not bashing you at all! I do think there is a need for an AI this strong for people who do use gear.
 
rtmilburn said:
If its strong enough to be ran with 500mgs of test i would not want to use it then. Since i don't cycle and that is just to strong for me. To low estro isn't a good thing.

Not bashing you at all! I do think there is a need for an AI this strong for people who do use gear.
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This is why we are releasing 2!
The oral is strong. In all of the tests we ran estro dropped a min of 60%. Much more in one.
The second is a transdermal. Lighter AI with fat burners added. VERY good for lean dry gains, cutting and even bulking if combined with something like Follidrone.
 
Im not 100% certain. Im just waiting on the raws. Once they arrive Ill start production and we can pump out a few hundred a day.
I know for sure everything shipped. It should hit the remailer any day then 2-3 days to us from there.
 
Formeron stock dangerously low must find replacement
 
Sounds good. You have a customer for the AI! Is TD coming out first or do you expect both TD and oral to hit the market at the same time?
 
Waiting on TD................................
 
Definatley going for the new epi product and transdermal, plan on running them together. Gonna be epic, I can't wait!!!
 
I don't think I ever want to stop the new epi. I'm training 5 days a week and trying not to go 6. It's addicting to feel like you never could tire out.
 
kisaj said:
I don't think I ever want to stop the new epi. I'm training 5 days a week and trying not to go 6. It's addicting to feel like you never could tire out.
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Yea I'm on the epi 2.0 by vital labs on my 3rd bottle and it's not doing me too good..
 
baxtecal said:
Yea I'm on the epi 2.0 by vital labs on my 3rd bottle and it's not doing me too good..
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Have you used (-)-Epi with success before? Some people don't respond as well. Hopefully you'll give BLR's a try. It's on another level than all the other (-)-Epi clones that are popping up.
 
kisaj said:
I don't think I ever want to stop the new epi. I'm training 5 days a week and trying not to go 6. It's addicting to feel like you never could tire out.
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I said the same thing to Brundel. I want a life time supply
 
baxtecal said:
Yea I'm on the epi 2.0 by vital labs on my 3rd bottle and it's not doing me too good..
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Sh*t happens lol. Can't steer away from BLR unless we don't carry that particular product, but if we do best believe ours is top notch.

Wait until you test ours. You'll be blown away.
 
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