Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...
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thebigt
Legend
yeah, it does kinda take the bite out of getting older.:cheers:
Ninjo
Well-known member
Okay so I've been taking E-form for the last two weeks. Started at 80 mg per day for the first few days and then increased to 120 mg per day (i.e. 3 sprays in the morning and 3 sprays in the evening). Looks like I'm starting to lean out a bit but I don't "feel" the form working like some others have reported...is it that I'm just not dosing high enough? For what it's worth, I'm 185 lbs. and about 12% bf.
Ninjo
Well-known member
Thanks Neo...so as it's my first time on form and I'm pretty much running it solo for five weeks, should I stay at my current dosing?
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
+1
I ramped the dose up on my last run with Form, and I can't say I noticed too much out of the ordinary. One of those products, IMO, where a steady lower, but longer-term dose is ideal. I ran it only for 4 weeks, but this next run around I'm think I'm going to try 8.
BTW, has anyone experienced any sort of shutdown from Form? In my experience, I havn't really noticed anything, which is great, but even minimal shutdown is a concern to me. Any reviews out there with anything to add about shutdown?
chewball
New member
I've got a couple of bottles of eform that ive had for at least six months. I started using one yesterday and the sprayer is all clogged or jacked up. Same deal with the other bottle. Cleaned them out and happened immediately on the next dosage.
So I'm gonna use an oral syringe cuz im wasting the goods.
Anyway it's a 4oz bottle, 30 servings of 100mg formestane. I'm coming up with approximately 4ml per 100mg serving.
Does that sound about right? 118.294 ml (4oz) divided by 30 servings of 100mg, so 3.943 ml should equal 100mg.
So I'm gonna use an oral syringe cuz im wasting the goods.
Anyway it's a 4oz bottle, 30 servings of 100mg formestane. I'm coming up with approximately 4ml per 100mg serving.
Does that sound about right? 118.294 ml (4oz) divided by 30 servings of 100mg, so 3.943 ml should equal 100mg.
Big L
New member
I just mixed up a batch of formestane and penetrate tonight, thought I'd share.
All the instructions sounded pretty easy but I had some reservations about actually trying to mix my own. I held out for months for E-form to be restocked somewhere, but finally gave in and bought some penetrate and formestane. Well, for all those out there that might have been reluctant like me, it really is a piece of cake.
All I did was put a drinking glass in a pot of water and bring it to a boil. Once it started boiling I reduced the heat to a simmer and poured half the Penetrate in. I left that for a minute or two and poured the rest in. Left that for another minute or two, and then as per Neoborn's instructions I slowly added the formestane about 1/3 tsp at a time and stirred. It took about 2 or 3 minutes to get all the formestane into the solution, I left it for another minute and continued to stir and then removed the pot from the ring. Once it cooled down I poured the solution back into the bottle (it mixed perfectly) gave it a shake and tried my first two pumps which went on nice and smooth. Can't wait to see how this product works :head:
Thanks for the awesome thread and info on this supp to Neoborn and the other regular contributors.
I'm currently on a cycle of h-drol/epidrol and will either be throwing the form into the mix now, or it will be in my post cycle therapy. I'll be logging cycle and PCT if you want to follow along:
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All the instructions sounded pretty easy but I had some reservations about actually trying to mix my own. I held out for months for E-form to be restocked somewhere, but finally gave in and bought some penetrate and formestane. Well, for all those out there that might have been reluctant like me, it really is a piece of cake.
All I did was put a drinking glass in a pot of water and bring it to a boil. Once it started boiling I reduced the heat to a simmer and poured half the Penetrate in. I left that for a minute or two and poured the rest in. Left that for another minute or two, and then as per Neoborn's instructions I slowly added the formestane about 1/3 tsp at a time and stirred. It took about 2 or 3 minutes to get all the formestane into the solution, I left it for another minute and continued to stir and then removed the pot from the ring. Once it cooled down I poured the solution back into the bottle (it mixed perfectly) gave it a shake and tried my first two pumps which went on nice and smooth. Can't wait to see how this product works :head:
Thanks for the awesome thread and info on this supp to Neoborn and the other regular contributors.
I'm currently on a cycle of h-drol/epidrol and will either be throwing the form into the mix now, or it will be in my post cycle therapy. I'll be logging cycle and PCT if you want to follow along:
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thebigt
Legend
thanks for the idea, going to try this.
celc5
Well-known member
Actually the hair dryer might be better if it heats the skin. The heat could theoretically cause some periferal vasodilation. I personally just air dry and respond just fine :head:
Edit: LMFAO, I KNEW you were gonna like this idea BigT
Someone on lean bulk asked doc if niacin would help since it supposedly opens capilaries. He pretty much laughed at the idea, but I think someone tried this... maybe neo? I do see the logic.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Big L
New member
Sweet, that made a bit more sense to me than a fan.
Another question:
I'm currently running a cycle of H-drol. If I decided to run the form while on cycle, can I continue with the same dosage through PCT along with serm? Based on what I read, I had been planning on starting a low dose of form at the beginning of my PCT, and ramping it up inversely to the SERM, continuing for a couple weeks after the SERM and then lowering the dosages until I come off of it.
If I include the form in my cycle, obviously I would need to taper down, in order to increase it inversely to the SERM, so is it fine to just run the same dose straight through cycle and PCT until I ramp it down after my PCT?
Sorry if my question isn't clear, I'm just not sure if I should be coming off the form when I start PCT with the SERM or not...
Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Another question:
I'm currently running a cycle of H-drol. If I decided to run the form while on cycle, can I continue with the same dosage through PCT along with serm? Based on what I read, I had been planning on starting a low dose of form at the beginning of my PCT, and ramping it up inversely to the SERM, continuing for a couple weeks after the SERM and then lowering the dosages until I come off of it.
If I include the form in my cycle, obviously I would need to taper down, in order to increase it inversely to the SERM, so is it fine to just run the same dose straight through cycle and PCT until I ramp it down after my PCT?
Sorry if my question isn't clear, I'm just not sure if I should be coming off the form when I start PCT with the SERM or not...
Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
celc5
Well-known member
IMO I would save my serm after running halo.
Your proposed strategy is almost spot on with I'm doing right now with a phera post cycle plan and it's working just fine.
Formestane REALLY helps the transition into post cycle. Whether you bridge it 1/2 way through your cycle or just start it day 1 post cycle should get you nice results.
DR.D
Well-known member
Actually the hair dryer might be better if it heats the skin. The heat could theoretically cause some periferal vasodilation. I personally just air dry and respond just fine :head:
Edit: LMFAO, I KNEW you were gonna like this idea BigT
Minoxidil @ a 0.5% conc in your carrier DOES work.
wheels
Active member
would it be over kill to stack form with rpm(p-sarm)?That would be a yes.
neoborn
Well-known member
Personally I think form stacks with almost anything quite nicely. Estrogen control (not killing) is good considering we are being flooded by estrogens of all kinds from every angle!
thebigt
Legend
Minoxidil @ a 0.5% conc in your carrier DOES work.
how much do you recommend to add to a 4oz container?
BodyWizard
Registered User
Have just assembled my first batch of Form in Penetrate, thought I'd share my experience.
Added 30ml DMSO (99.9%) + 10ml distilled water to an Erlenmeyer flask, mixed & heated in a water bath; once it was nice & hot, I added 5g of Form (pre-ground w/ mortar & pestle), in stages. Form dissolved totally in only a few minutes of continued heating & swirling.
Once I was sure it was all dissolved, I shook up a new bottle of Penetrate, poured it into the flask & swirled it around good; heated, swirled, heated, swirled, let it rest & cool for a bit, then examined the contents: no particulates of any kind in evidence.
After cooling was complete, poured it all into a mason jar & put it in a dark place; the next morning, the oil & water layers had separated, and each layer had a fluffy bit of sediment (the form, I'm assuming). A couple of shakes brought the contents into useable form: all contents well-dispersed & homogeneous, ready for a syringe.
240 ml Penetrate
30 ml DMSO
10 ml water
5 g formestane
---------
285 ml total volume
17.54 mg/ml
Given the experience so far, I feel sure I can get more form into solution; I'm considering replaying the first part, and if I can get another 3g to dissolve in 20ml of 75% DMSO solution, that would give a final yield of 25.97 mg/ml (assuming I can get the bulk of the mixture to accept the addendum). If that trick works, I'll try introducing 10 g to the next bottle.
Comparing my numbers with the yields others have achieved, I wonder if everybody's been adding the grams of form to the total quantity before they computer mg/ml. Not really going to get an accurate take without accurate numbers, after all.
Added 30ml DMSO (99.9%) + 10ml distilled water to an Erlenmeyer flask, mixed & heated in a water bath; once it was nice & hot, I added 5g of Form (pre-ground w/ mortar & pestle), in stages. Form dissolved totally in only a few minutes of continued heating & swirling.
Once I was sure it was all dissolved, I shook up a new bottle of Penetrate, poured it into the flask & swirled it around good; heated, swirled, heated, swirled, let it rest & cool for a bit, then examined the contents: no particulates of any kind in evidence.
After cooling was complete, poured it all into a mason jar & put it in a dark place; the next morning, the oil & water layers had separated, and each layer had a fluffy bit of sediment (the form, I'm assuming). A couple of shakes brought the contents into useable form: all contents well-dispersed & homogeneous, ready for a syringe.
240 ml Penetrate
30 ml DMSO
10 ml water
5 g formestane
---------
285 ml total volume
17.54 mg/ml
Given the experience so far, I feel sure I can get more form into solution; I'm considering replaying the first part, and if I can get another 3g to dissolve in 20ml of 75% DMSO solution, that would give a final yield of 25.97 mg/ml (assuming I can get the bulk of the mixture to accept the addendum). If that trick works, I'll try introducing 10 g to the next bottle.
Comparing my numbers with the yields others have achieved, I wonder if everybody's been adding the grams of form to the total quantity before they computer mg/ml. Not really going to get an accurate take without accurate numbers, after all.
Ninjo
Well-known member
I ran e-form solo as described above for five weeks. I tapered down and my last dose was on March 9. While taking e-form I would almost always wake up with a woody; to me it meant the product was working as I'm 38 and that hasn't happened consistently for some time. The thing is, I've been off e-form for a couple of weeks now and I'm still waking up with some serious wood in the morning. Could this be lasting effect from the form? I'm not on any other test boosting supps.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Maybe, who knows but it's not like it's a bad thing
. Other then that how was your experience in the gym with body recomp and the like?
Ninjo
Well-known member
Strength stayed about the same which is positive as I was on restricted cals in advance of my vacation. Body recomp effects were very noticeable especially in the midsection. I won't say I was ripped but for five weeks, there was some pretty good fat loss going on. Next time, I would like to run it longer though.Maybe, who knows but it's not like it's a bad thing
BodyWizard
Registered User
Follow-up notes:
Resulting mix is thinner than I like, but easy enough to work with. No grittiness at all, goes on smooth, soaks in almost immediately.
Application areas are dry within 15 minutes, with nothing left on the skin after an hour, which suggests excellent penetration. No skin irritation at all.
Clothing shows no sign of rub-off (and no smell), which suggests excellent absorption.
Compare this to my experience w/ Avant's AbSolved (essentially the same carrier formula): not much, but some grit in the Absolved, which took much longer to dry (remained sticky to the touch for quite some time), and irritated my skin noticeably (not bad, but true enough).
Impressions based on 2 squirts per area of skin, apres-shower and not. Dose available at that rate of application = 70mg.
Resulting mix is thinner than I like, but easy enough to work with. No grittiness at all, goes on smooth, soaks in almost immediately.
Application areas are dry within 15 minutes, with nothing left on the skin after an hour, which suggests excellent penetration. No skin irritation at all.
Clothing shows no sign of rub-off (and no smell), which suggests excellent absorption.
Compare this to my experience w/ Avant's AbSolved (essentially the same carrier formula): not much, but some grit in the Absolved, which took much longer to dry (remained sticky to the touch for quite some time), and irritated my skin noticeably (not bad, but true enough).
Impressions based on 2 squirts per area of skin, apres-shower and not. Dose available at that rate of application = 70mg.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Very informative BW.:thumbsup:
DR.D
Well-known member
Yes, it can prevent gyno and actually increases testicular size for the first 3-4wks, even with 600mg TE/wk in your mix!
After than it slows down suppression but can't completely halt it over the long run. Gyno benefits seem to be reduced as well, but still present.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
From the man himself.
Hi dr. d.:wave:
Hi dr. d.:wave:
celc5
Well-known member
Echoing Prld's sentiments myself. Good to see you drop by this thread doc :cheers:
Dr. D
Any thoughts as to why form seems to have more of a "kick" in aggressiveness and libido while ON cycle or with an NHA stack of sorts? I used it in PCT after a light pheraplex solo run and felt that it was less effective in that time frame than hyperdrol, for example.
Dr. D
Any thoughts as to why form seems to have more of a "kick" in aggressiveness and libido while ON cycle or with an NHA stack of sorts? I used it in PCT after a light pheraplex solo run and felt that it was less effective in that time frame than hyperdrol, for example.
mattikus
Well-known member
Wuttup Dr. D where ya been? Thanks for the reply, I may very well add this to my current cycle. Supposedly keeps estro down almost as well as a-dex. Any ideas on a good dosing scheme? Would like to still have a little estro if possible..Yes, it can prevent gyno and actually increases testicular size for the first 3-4wks, even with 600mg TE/wk in your mix!
DR.D
Well-known member
Been awhile, great to see you guys around too!
About Form, I have noticed that also. Good libido support when on but kinda blah in PCT compared to HDx2. I'm not sure, but I suspect it's related to it's 5a-reductase inhibiting potential. Due to the sub at the 4 position, it acts as a mechanism based inhibitor of not only aromatization but also reductase, which means less DHT formation. When test levels are already low (like after a cycle) then lowering both estrogen and DHT makes for potential issues. On cycle it would do just the opposite by mediating the formation of these metabolites which are usually excessive to cause the same problems from the opposite direction.
Hyperdrol which contains 6-Br is not subject to these concerns however. This compound shouldn't interfere with DHT too badly and only really crushes estrogen for the first 2-3wks, then a phenomenon occurs where it only inhibits E2 biosynthesis in an attenuated fashion. Can't go wrong with 6-Br.
DR.D
Well-known member
Been in the lab workin' on new stuff. Good to be back around when I can though!
Orally, it takes a lot. 160-240mg 2-3x/day is what seems too work best. The regular bulk powder you might buy from 1fast or NP would take the highest dose if you don't process it first, but if you mill it to a very fine micron particle size the lower doses will work.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Just back and he's already educating us all. Ah, let the good times roll.Been awhile, great to see you guys around too!
About Form, I have noticed that also. Good libido support when on but kinda blah in PCT compared to HDx2. I'm not sure, but I suspect it's related to it's 5a-reductase inhibiting potential. Due to the sub at the 4 position, it acts as a mechanism based inhibitor of not only aromatization but also reductase, which means less DHT formation. When test levels are already low (like after a cycle) then lowering both estrogen and DHT makes for potential issues. On cycle it would do just the opposite by mediating the formation of these metabolites which are usually excessive to cause the same problems from the opposite direction.
Hyperdrol which contains 6-Br is not subject to these concerns however. This compound shouldn't interfere with DHT too badly and only really crushes estrogen for the first 2-3wks, then a phenomenon occurs where it only inhibits E2 biosynthesis in an attenuated fashion. Can't go wrong with 6-Br.
Interesting aspect of 6br you threw out ther d, didn't know about the selective attenuation aspects it had on E2.
thebigt
Legend
this thread is 587 posts with almost 20,000 views. show me another ai with that kind of interest. judge for yourself.
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
It convinced me to finally try it.. Ordered 4 bottles of E-form:head:
mattikus
Well-known member
Me too bud. I am going to run it alongside test to see how well it helps on a full blown cycle. I will let everyone who is interested know how it goes..
Mach .78
Registered User
You must have ordered it awhile ago.
mattikus
Well-known member
It was available up until a few days ago..
thebigt
Legend
it seems demand went way up for e-form, it was $15 forever. they raised the price and demand seems higher than ever, imo e-form at $15 was the best deal anywhere for anything.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Ok I will keep an eye out for it thanks.
msucurt
Well-known member
Seriously considering the following stack....or just maybe a standalone with eform:
form / igf-2 /
form standalone
Just finished a 5 week cycle of hdrol and i am currently on week 4 of my PCT.
Do you think it would be ok to go ahead with the form run for 6wks or so as a standalone, or should i completely finish up my last week of PCT before i run the form?
note: no shutdown or any sides at all from the hdrol....feel completely fine and 100%
thanks
form / igf-2 /
form standalone
Just finished a 5 week cycle of hdrol and i am currently on week 4 of my PCT.
Do you think it would be ok to go ahead with the form run for 6wks or so as a standalone, or should i completely finish up my last week of PCT before i run the form?
note: no shutdown or any sides at all from the hdrol....feel completely fine and 100%
thanks
WilteredFire
Member
hey msucurt ... form + IGF-2 sounds fine, its what im taking next month, cant wait, less then 2 weeks before i start
Did one bottle of form around 3months back or so...Didn't get much out of it at 5sprays total per day, started low, ramped down later, didn't get much changes (apart from me gaining 8pounds in one month) but i mean changes in terms of losing excess water weight and cutting up, muscle hardening etc. So gunna ramp up, got 2 spare bottles lying around, real excited to run this guys!
msucurt, all the best in your cycle! I think some kind of testosterone enhancer wether its a free'er or booster, will stack just great with form.
Did one bottle of form around 3months back or so...Didn't get much out of it at 5sprays total per day, started low, ramped down later, didn't get much changes (apart from me gaining 8pounds in one month) but i mean changes in terms of losing excess water weight and cutting up, muscle hardening etc. So gunna ramp up, got 2 spare bottles lying around, real excited to run this guys!
msucurt, all the best in your cycle! I think some kind of testosterone enhancer wether its a free'er or booster, will stack just great with form.
msucurt
Well-known member
thanks wilteredfire.....I am going to start my eform/igf-2 cycle today.....hell, might as well huh?
Just trying to figure out my cycle dosages.
Just trying to figure out my cycle dosages.
hey msucurt ... form + IGF-2 sounds fine, its what im taking next month, cant wait, less then 2 weeks before i start
Did one bottle of form around 3months back or so...Didn't get much out of it at 5sprays total per day, started low, ramped down later, didn't get much changes (apart from me gaining 8pounds in one month) but i mean changes in terms of losing excess water weight and cutting up, muscle hardening etc. So gunna ramp up, got 2 spare bottles lying around, real excited to run this guys!
msucurt, all the best in your cycle! I think some kind of testosterone enhancer wether its a free'er or booster, will stack just great with form.
WilteredFire
Member
hey man!
Im so excited to hear about your cycle! Makes my fingers itch just thinking about it hahaha!
A good tip would be to start with a low dose and ramp it up each day until a few days into the cycle hopefully you'll find what you can call your "sweet spot", keep a sharp eye on your libido on the different dosages, and also an eye on your joints, like your elbows, if you feel them getting too dry or they feel uncomfortable, knock back your dose by a spray or 2 and see how it treats you! Dont forget, if you got any extra left over, try and taper it down the last few days just to be on the safe side from any potential estrogen rebound.
Form is some truely great stuff. Enjoy every day of it man!
Im so excited to hear about your cycle! Makes my fingers itch just thinking about it hahaha!
A good tip would be to start with a low dose and ramp it up each day until a few days into the cycle hopefully you'll find what you can call your "sweet spot", keep a sharp eye on your libido on the different dosages, and also an eye on your joints, like your elbows, if you feel them getting too dry or they feel uncomfortable, knock back your dose by a spray or 2 and see how it treats you! Dont forget, if you got any extra left over, try and taper it down the last few days just to be on the safe side from any potential estrogen rebound.
Form is some truely great stuff. Enjoy every day of it man!