Natadrol vs Prime

Craigmatthew said:
01-21-2010 | 01:01 PM
slimcharles
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What the hell LG? Still nothing.
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This was posted by you in a natadrol thread slim, so did you ever receive your natadrol??

So what is it? Did you not like naradrol? Or did you never order it and just wanted to make a scene ?

Strange.... Also you selling t911?? Why not try it and enjoy the libido gains ;)
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I never ordered and wanted to make a scene. :rolleyes:

I had T-911 from a trade and sold it here.
 
Verrry interesting. Pass the popcorn.
 
let's see if i could say this right; with prime i experienced somewhat of a hardening effect and strength gains whereas with natadrol i had strength gains but without the hardening effect it was more like volumized-vascularity sort of and i experienced more frequent erections with the natadrol than with prime but with prime the strength gains was a little more but it didn't give the erections that came with the natadrol
 
You mentioned their bcaa as being underdosed. Is it illegal to take....ssshhhh.....2 servings? Did you possibly consider cost per gram when formulating your opinion, or just look at the smaller serving size, and go from there?
 
poison said:
Sorry, we're all out of popcorn here, but our new friend has plenty of whine and cheese, if it's all the same to you?


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LMFAO!!! Whiney, like, as in SOUR GRAPES?
 
slimcharles said:
I would, but what's the point? Natadrol main ingredient is not androgenic in the least and their entire study on it is flawed. Should I be looking to logs? Remember CEE logs? "OMG NO BLOATING SO MUCH STRENGTH, etc." Now we know CEE never worked in the first place according to multiple studies. With logs there are just too many variables and the placebo effect plays a huge role.

People are going to buy anything that promises to be strong and "androgenic" but are too afraid of using real stuff like test, which is actually safer and cheaper than 99% of the worthless supplements these days. The only problem would be legal implications, but a lot of people here are taking banned pro hormones anyway.
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Ok, seriously get a clue and buy a vowel.

Two things here:

1: You are welcome to your own opinion. If you do not want to purchase LG, that is entirely up to you.

2: You need to look further into what you are talking about before you actually do. The studies you cite(there is another thread about this) does NOT state ANYWHERE that CEE does not work. It only states efficacy as compared to Creatine Monohydrate.

Go back and read, and stop letting the boys at the 'other' board tell you what a study says when they don't even read or understand the entire lit.

So, at this point, any points you make (aside from personal opinion)for the time being I'll have to deem as ill informed and/or misaligned......IMHO, of course. ;)
 
SonicSWOLE said:
Ok, seriously get a clue and buy a vowel.

Two things here:

1: You are welcome to your own opinion. If you do not want to purchase LG, that is entirely up to you.

2: You need to look further into what you are talking about before you actually do. The studies you cite(there is another thread about this) does NOT state ANYWHERE that CEE does not work. It only states efficacy as compared to Creatine Monohydrate.

Go back and read, and stop letting the boys at the 'other' board tell you what a study says when they don't even read or understand the entire lit.

So, at this point, any points you make (aside from personal opinion)for the time being I'll have to deem as ill informed and/or misaligned......IMHO, of course. ;)
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See this is what I love about anabolicminds.com, it's so full of shills that I get a laugh every time I visit a thread.

Good, don't take my opinion as serious, continue wasting your money. What do I care? Oh and btw:

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"It can be concluded that a large portion of the creatine ethyl ester was being degraded within the GI tract after ingestion", the researchers conclude. "Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring".
 
slimcharles said:
See this is what I love about anabolicminds.com, it's so full of shills that I get a laugh every time I visit a thread.

Good, don't take my opinion as serious, continue wasting your money. What do I care? Oh and btw:

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"It can be concluded that a large portion of the creatine ethyl ester was being degraded within the GI tract after ingestion", the researchers conclude. "Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring".
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Re-read that buddy. The study you provided actually looks pretty positive on CEE and that there is more absorption of creatine than creatinine. Again....re-read the lit. Good luck.
 
Mmmm....

I'm on week 2 of trifecta with Anabolic Pump. I've increased my cals by around 50% and have not gained fat and in fact lost some whilst adding muscle. The last time I did this routine and diet I put on around 4 - 5 lbs of fat in 4 weeks.

If this is the placebo effect...bring it on...I love it!!
 
I've been wanting to try Prime for quite some time now. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find it at a reasonable price point...

Hopefully NP will run a Prime super sale in the near future so I can pick up a bottle, or two. Regardless, I would love to stack the two together!
 
Placebo? I'll take my cheap arginine placebo over your expensive prime placebo.

:lol:
 
poison said:
Placebo? I'll take my cheap arginine placebo over your expensive prime placebo.

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lol

Intriguing thread though, I havent tried out the natty yet but had less than stellar results with Prime the first time I ran it but am going to give it another go. I believe Jacob is sending me out some more Prime and some Pink Magic to try out so I'll report back sometime in the near future w/ updated thoughts on Prime.

I'm also sure Natadrol will be in the cards for me some time this summer, the feedback looks quite promising.
 
What I liked about prime and how I think I got at least some results from it is it made me so hungry all the time I could not stop eating so it definitely helped in that aspect but for me that's about all it did but with that I did see some results.
 
SwolenONE said:
lol

Intriguing thread though, I havent tried out the natty yet but had less than stellar results with Prime the first time I ran it but am going to give it another go. I believe Jacob is sending me out some more Prime and some Pink Magic to try out so I'll report back sometime in the near future w/ updated thoughts on Prime.

I'm also sure Natadrol will be in the cards for me some time this summer, the feedback looks quite promising.
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I'm hitting it up this summer too, looks promising! Oh and when PM comes out, I'll have to grab a bottle of that, too.
 
SwolenONE said:
lol

Intriguing thread though, I havent tried out the natty yet but had less than stellar results with Prime the first time I ran it but am going to give it another go. I believe Jacob is sending me out some more Prime and some Pink Magic to try out so I'll report back sometime in the near future w/ updated thoughts on Prime.

I'm also sure Natadrol will be in the cards for me some time this summer, the feedback looks quite promising.
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prime was less than stellar for me aswell but natadrol on the other hand worked great. i may give prime another try in the future but its hard to justify for me.
 
The last inner circle deal I bought 3 bottles of Prime for like 25 bucks or something. I also got 4 bottles of the TNA ( wich is freakin awesome ). With the Prime and Pink Magic, this will make an amazing stack.
 
Ive used prime... didn't feel anything while on but I had a bit of a strength increase...
have yet to try natadrol though... It is on the to buy list already.
 
I'm known around here for hating Prime. Honestly, Its useless. I love Natadrol, Im getting two more bottles in the mail with the Trifecta.

Un-biasedly: Prime its whether you respond to it or not. I don't care who you are, you will respond greatly to a higher dosage of Natadrol.

Also, read the claims on the boxes themselves, Harder muscles with Prime? Save your self the money and do extremley high reps with low weight.

Example: I take 5-8lb dumbells and I go on the treadmill at a high incline for ten minutes. I do a curl nearly every second alternating with each arm. I also switch it up and do hammer curls aswell. You will get amazing shredded arms doing it this way, and it makes them alot denser and gets rid of that "fluff" muscle.
 
I started Natadrol for about a week and a half before starting my Pink Magic, I chose to stop it so I could see what exactly Pink Magic was doing for me. However I can tell you for sure that I was already feeling some mood elevation, Alpha Male-ness, positive aggression and had good pumps, as well as a leaning / drying effect from the sub-q diuretic effects of it. Unfortunately I can't speak much more on this other than I am very excited to be getting back on it soon and running it alongside my SWOLE Stack. From what I was already beginning to experience from the Nata, KA-FUGGING-BOOM! I am gonna explode biatchez! I have seen no one mention that they felt any shut down from Natadrol, however LG is trying to be on the consumer side regarding keeping the gains just to be safe. Others have taken Natadrol without a PCT with no ill effects. However a PCT isn't a bad thing if you don't need it then it is just a stack extender with a nice test booster to finish it off.

PRIME works for me quite well also. For me I get a nice smooth Alpha Male feel, hardening muscles and some strength gains. Great for recomp on maintenance level cals.

I like the idea of stacking these two as well. I just need another sale on the PRIME to do so.

To the man with the Double blind Placebo studies. I agree that you can get seemingly valid data from these controlled studies. You can also get inaccurate real world data simply because no one lives in a controlled environment so even the studies are only valid in the controlled environment.

There is a study out there that cortisol raises and testosterone lowers on low carb high fat diets. People use this to quote however when you look into the study you find they did this test with no break in period for the change in diet. Of course your body will produce an azzload of cortisol when you sudfdenly throw it into shock by removing the nergy source it is used to and making it changeover to burning another source. However other studies show that higher fat content and lower carbs elevate testosterone levels. These are obviously done after the body has adapted to burning fat preferentially for energy. Bottom line just about any study will show the results of the control factors.

I am not in anyway saying the mind does not have the power to offer a placebo effect. As a matter of fact, I will also add that the mind has the power to take a functional product and negate it's effects due to severe skepticism that it will indeed work.

However I beleive that even scientific studies either offer to much control or not enough which can effect the outcome of the study as well. A lot of times the control groups are selected in order to get specific results that get the university a new lab, or new football helmets. In real world use, all factors must be considered and that takes the certainty out of all of it so we have to rely on both real word anectdotal information as well as scientific studies.

Very cool study on the placebo effect though. It really makes me think I need to start my visualization again. Thanks for bringing that up!!!!!!
 
BigBeazy said:
I'm known around here for hating Prime. Honestly, Its useless. I love Natadrol, Im getting two more bottles in the mail with the Trifecta.

Un-biasedly: Prime its whether you respond to it or not. I don't care who you are, you will respond greatly to a higher dosage of Natadrol.

Also, read the claims on the boxes themselves, Harder muscles with Prime? Save your self the money and do extremley high reps with low weight.

Example: I take 5-8lb dumbells and I go on the treadmill at a high incline for ten minutes. I do a curl nearly every second alternating with each arm. I also switch it up and do hammer curls aswell. You will get amazing shredded arms doing it this way, and it makes them alot denser and gets rid of that "fluff" muscle.
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How many days have you been on Natadrol?
 
I took it for 15 days a few weeks ago. Pretty much a whole bottle. No Pct, but you don't really need it, its just a bonus.
 
BigBeazy said:
I'm known around here for hating Prime. Honestly, Its useless. I love Natadrol, Im getting two more bottles in the mail with the Trifecta.

Un-biasedly: Prime its whether you respond to it or not. I don't care who you are, you will respond greatly to a higher dosage of Natadrol.

Also, read the claims on the boxes themselves, Harder muscles with Prime? Save your self the money and do extremley high reps with low weight.

Example: I take 5-8lb dumbells and I go on the treadmill at a high incline for ten minutes. I do a curl nearly every second alternating with each arm. I also switch it up and do hammer curls aswell. You will get amazing shredded arms doing it this way, and it makes them alot denser and gets rid of that "fluff" muscle.
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I am not challenging you but I "think" the difference here is that you are losing fat in your arms and more than likely some size to get the hard feel. With the PRIME you would be gaining size while hardening. (If you are a responder...) PRIME is for sure a hit or miss supplement. Seems it hits a lot more than it misses, and it hits homeruns for many. However, when it misses it seems to be a strike out.
 
fidget324 said:
Ok, let me moderate this argument a bit. Yes, 99% of people on this board do love their sups (including myself) and rely on them on a daily basis. Slimcharles has a faulty argument because he has absolutely no data backing his claims, so just ignore him. People like Army Guy, however, do cite data, but it is not at all reliable data. Let me explain why:

Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.

To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)

Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).

So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.

To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.

(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09.
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Once again, here, this is predicated on the person in question.

I have taken placebos for pain, was told it was a pain killer and the pain never dissipated. So, yeah, you have some valid points; however, the are not all inclusive. They do not work or apply to every person living.
 
BigBeazy said:
I took it for 15 days a few weeks ago. Pretty much a whole bottle. No Pct, but you don't really need it, its just a bonus.
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Really? Because in this thread (Invalid Link Removed) posted only a week ago, you had yet to take it... You even stated "I dont know too much about Natadrol" and then referred the OP to a Natadrol log...
 
hoopem6 said:
Really? Because in this thread (Invalid Link Removed) posted only a week ago, you had yet to take it... You even stated "I dont know too much about Natadrol" and then referred the OP to a Natadrol log...
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I spotted the same but wasn't sure if it was the same guy as I never really look at screen names unless something profound is posted.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I am not challenging you but I "think" the difference here is that you are losing fat in your arms and more than likely some size to get the hard feel. With the PRIME you would be gaining size while hardening. (If you are a responder...) PRIME is for sure a hit or miss supplement. Seems it hits a lot more than it misses, and it hits homeruns for many. However, when it misses it seems to be a strike out.
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I am, for some odd reason, a mild responder to Prime. I have to 6/9 it and stack with something else to get the real benefit. Solo, I do feel everything described by you, but I wish it was at the same level. I respond better to heavy Natadrol dosing. Different strokes different folks!
I am about the run TestPro sponsored after Pink. I will throw that into the weighing as well. These 3 companies are still, IMHO the top companies out there!
 
BigBeazy said:
Save your self the money and do extremley high reps with low weight.

Example: I take 5-8lb dumbells and I go on the treadmill at a high incline for ten minutes. I do a curl nearly every second alternating with each arm. I also switch it up and do hammer curls aswell. You will get amazing shredded arms doing it this way, and it makes them alot denser and gets rid of that "fluff" muscle.
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Is that how you go so strong? Lol


One bottle of natadrol isn't enough to really feel it, also. That's pretty common among all the logs.
 
hoopem6 said:
Really? Because in this thread (Invalid Link Removed) posted only a week ago, you had yet to take it... You even stated "I dont know too much about Natadrol" and then referred the OP to a Natadrol log...
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I will never give out advice on a product I have never completley finished. Im trying so much stuff constantly, and I will not release any information besides on a log until I complete it.

I honestly do not know too much about Natadrol, I have a problem of not researching before I buy something. I mostly go upon reviews and trusted user feed back.

I just finished the bottle actually yesterday, and was going to tie in my results from that into a Natabolic Log I plan on doing.

It really worked for me, I loved the stuff and I can now say that with completing it.

Right now im almost half way through some Speed V2 and have you heard anything about it yet from me? Answer is no. When Im done, I will give me un-biased review on it whether it sucked or not.

Another reason why I do this, sometime you get a product that works the first few days and die out. Or doesn't work the first few days then goes on strong. I feel I made an ass out of my self early in the year when I hated ASGT because it didn't kick in the first few days for me. Having completed a bottle, I love the stuff. I got another one at home im trying to save for the Super Hero Stack.

When you go on and read user reviews, for the first few days its mostly Hype. Just go straight to the part where its towards the middle/end of what they where taking. Thats how you know if it will be good or bad.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I am not challenging you but I "think" the difference here is that you are losing fat in your arms and more than likely some size to get the hard feel. With the PRIME you would be gaining size while hardening. (If you are a responder...) PRIME is for sure a hit or miss supplement. Seems it hits a lot more than it misses, and it hits homeruns for many. However, when it misses it seems to be a strike out.
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Taking Natadrol or Methyl will help you gain size while hardening also, your point?
 
BigBeazy said:
Taking Natadrol or Methyl will help you gain size while hardening also, your point?
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I think he was just saying that he was one of those who could respond to both. No harm intended Big!! :)
I for one like how you post your reviews at the end. Glad to see that ASGT worked out for you in the end my friend. For me it takes about 4 days to kick in, and then the sky's the limit!!
 
Army Guy said:
I think he was just saying that he was one of those who could respond to both. No harm intended Big!! :)
I for one like how you post your reviews at the end. Glad to see that ASGT worked out for you in the end my friend. For me it takes about 4 days to kick in, and then the sky's the limit!!
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Exactly my point. It took a while so at first you where upset about it, am i right? But then again if another user saw that review of you not liking it for the first few days, that person wouldn't buy it and would miss out on an amazing product.
 
BigBeazy said:
I will never give out advice on a product I have never completley finished. Im trying so much stuff constantly, and I will not release any information besides on a log until I complete it.

I honestly do not know too much about Natadrol, I have a problem of not researching before I buy something. I mostly go upon reviews and trusted user feed back.

I just finished the bottle actually yesterday, and was going to tie in my results from that into a Natabolic Log I plan on doing...
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Right, then why say you used Natadrol for 15 days a couple weeks ago (15 days @ 8 caps per day = one 120 ct. bottle) when you supposedly just finished the bottle yesterday?

I'd like to think if something 'really worked' for you, you would be able to provide some sort of personal user feedback when asked to in the previous Trifecta thread...

Also, could the reason why you have such a distaste for Prime be because you did not give it a proper evaluation? If you are constantly trying out different supplements, and not completely finishing a product during its' suggested duration, how can you properly assess its' effects?
 
hoopem6 said:
Right, then why say you used Natadrol for 15 days a couple weeks ago (15 days @ 8 caps per day = one 120 ct. bottle) when you supposedly just finished the bottle yesterday?

I'd like to think if something 'really worked' for you, you would be able to provide some sort of personal user feedback when asked to in the previous Trifecta thread...

Also, could the reason why you have such a distaste for Prime be because you did not give it a proper evaluation? If you are constantly trying out different supplements, and not completely finishing a product during its' suggested duration, how can you properly assess its' effects?
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I didn't dose on off days, even though i should have. I prolonged it.

I didn't give out information back in the Trifecta thread because I really didnt see or experience much until the end, like i said. Why would I tell him I don't like it even thought I haven't finished the bottle? This is again, why i don't release my opinion until the end, and you should respect that.

I personally do not know the suggested duration for Natadrol because I do not have the bottle with me at this time. I went upon user feed back which is more than likely better than coporate ones IMO.

I bought one bottle of Prime back in HS a year ago. I finished the whole thing and I didn't like it one bit. Plus, Its too expensive to waste money on that garbage so why should i try it again? Unless USP can prove to me and show me its not garbage, Im still going to claim it is. Maybe they re-vamped the formula or whatever, I don't care im not wasting my money on bull.

Thats another thing, USP got me hooked with Jacked. I love that stuff. And eventually it kinda started sucking. Anabolic Pump, amazing concept, just didn't work. OEP, this is the worst fat Burner i have ever tried. I boosted up to three capsules instead of one and not a dam thing. No thermogenic effect at all, and its more of an appetite increaser that anything. My buddy when taking it just got jittery and hated it also.

One thing I found out from the sales person from USP visiting my Vitamin shop in Febuary, the "Inner Circle" is a freaking Joke. Turns out these D-bags run around to various shops or w.e. giving their products great reviews for people to buy it. I found this out also from a reply on OEP on Nutra, and once trying to become a "Inner Circle" member myself one day long ago.

PowerFULL: I haven't tried to many GH boosters in my day, but I know for sure this one sucked. I really didn't notice anything during the day when taking it. At night, I woke up ever 2 1/2 hours like clock work, and this also lasted about 4 days after I stopped taking it. I hated this crap with a passion.

I used to be so loyal to USP labs, I loved their Jack3d and I went ahead and started trying all their products. I don't know what happened there.
 
Also, to remain on my stand point of not releasing reviews until they are done, I have not completed a full bottle of OEP. My buddy who I mentioned above works at Vitamin Shoppe, and he gave me the rest of his bottle. I've been trying to stick it out for the 5th day today, but s far no good. I will go ahead and give my full opinion when I finish it. Who knows, It might be good.
 
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