Myodrol: New Test Booster From Axis

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This is the ingredient profile:

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This is open for intelligent discussion. No pimping yet, since no one has tried it yet... unless you picked it up at the Arnold :head:

*Mods, if my link is against the rules, please feel free to remove it.
 
the first ingredient i think is just saw palmetto but i cant figure out off the top of my head what the second one is... doenst look too impressive but i havent tried it so cant give any real feedback...
 
I'm all for trying out new products. I'm definitely looking for forward to this one.

Hopefully it pans out. At this point, no one has tried it that I'm aware of though.

Jared, yes you're on the right track. Here's a brief introduction from a link that BillyBob found for us:

The carotenoid astaxanthin (AX) from Haematococcus pluvialis, Saw Palmetto berry lipid extract (SPLE) from Serenoa repens and the precise combination of these dietary supplements, Alphastat® (Mytosterone(™)), have been reported to have inhibitory effects on both 5AR and AER in-vitro. Concomitant regulation of both enzymes in-vivo would cause DHT and ES blood levels to decrease and T levels to increase.
 
Well how about that? I'm in for the good times. Hey, maybe it'll be the test booster for those sensitive to dht induced hairloss. :D
 
poison said:
Well how about that? I'm in for the good times. Hey, maybe it'll be the test booster for those sensitive to dht induced hairloss. :D
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yup, that's one of the things that it's supposed to be good with. Hopefully it'll work out, we just have to wait for now :smirk:
 
celc5 said:
I'm all for trying out new products. I'm definitely looking for forward to this one.

Hopefully it pans out. At this point, no one has tried it that I'm aware of though.

Jared, yes you're on the right track. Here's a brief introduction from a link that BillyBob found for us:

The carotenoid astaxanthin (AX) from Haematococcus pluvialis, Saw Palmetto berry lipid extract (SPLE) from Serenoa repens and the precise combination of these dietary supplements, Alphastat® (Mytosterone(™)), have been reported to have inhibitory effects on both 5AR and AER in-vitro. Concomitant regulation of both enzymes in-vivo would cause DHT and ES blood levels to decrease and T levels to increase.
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Will be cool if it works. Will watch the logs closely.
 
bigsexy said:
Isn't that one-half of methyl arimatest?
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I'm not sure :think: Could you elaborate a little and maybe I could find out the answer for you.

KimboBatista said:
Subbed. Interested in finding out more.
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Actually, me too LOL I'm interested to find out more myself. All I really know is the ingredient profile from the Axis site.

monstermash said:
Will be cool if it works. Will watch the logs closely.
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I'm hoping it will work too :D The study looks promising and I'm sure we'll have some logs going to see how response goes :head:
 
We got some general feedback fellas! :head:

This is a quote from BBing that he offered on his own:

Fritz311 said:
Been taking for about a week now, yes my buddy and i got it at the arnold. I can def notice a difference i cant wait to see whats going to keep happening as i finish the bottle.
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Sion said:
same compound as in cryotest from muscletech i think.i like it
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yes, I'm thinking that you are correct. Of course, we have slightly less than 6.7 zillion ingredients on the Myodrol profile though :laugh:
 
Saw palmetto, and is that astaxanthin you extracted for in the haematococcus pluvialis...I am curious as to the mechanisms if known of each extract? Thanks :-)
 
Sion said:
same compound as in cryotest from muscletech i think.i like it
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i am thinking myodrol is dosed much higher. myodrol dose is 2 caps=800mg, dosed 2x daily=1600mg daily dose. i am thinking 2 bottles would be a nice run and maybe up it to 3/2 or 2/3 to get the full 2000mg per day dose that saw the best results in the study.
 
bigsexy said:
Isn't that one-half of methyl arimatest?
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Yes but half the dose, since this is 1600mg a day, the arimatest is 800 for the day along the 7methoxy. Guys I would add an AI to this supp for the reason that DHT is being blocked(natures AI), so Sustain Alpha would be a nice addition, and my sponsor is carrying it if anyone wants it cheaper than at the Axis site.
 
JohnT,
I have to be honest. I have no clue about the extraction process. IIRC, the study I've seen doesn't really delve into the extraction process. Give me some time, and I'll do my best to get that answered for you though.

BigT,
estradiol levels were dose dependent. Test levels shouldn't be though, according to the study posted by Billybob ( Invalid Link Removed ). So dosing is probably gonna depend on individual response.

Andrew,
all reasonable points. I suppose we'll have to experiment to figure out how to best stack, keeping your points in mind. Also, hopefully NP will be carrying Myodrol too :usa2:
 
Andrew,
I was thinking a little more about the DHT dilemma. I'm not comparing Myodrol to these supplements, but rather using them to facilitate discussion.

Formestane does a really good job of controlling DHT. And it's the supplement that makes me the most aggressive out of anything I've ever tried. So blocking DHT doesn't always mean that a product isn't good for strength and/or aggression.

Another example from the opposite perspective is androstenetrione. It binds strongly to the androgen receptor and makes me shed more than any designer I've ever tried. It also makes me break out like a 16 year old who doesn't wash his face :laugh:

So it's possible we're trying to control the AI effects. And at the same time according to the study, it's not really hindering response. Again this is just shop talk and by no means THE word on Myodrol. Just trying to consider all the angles.

poison said:
I, and my hairline, would LOVE to log this over here.
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Mine too. My lousy hairline isn't really something I ever think about personally, but I know it's a big deal for a lot of fellas.
 
poison said:
Formestane is relatively safe on the hairline?
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yes, and speaking of formestane-if you wanted to run a ai w/myodrol, i think formestane would be ideal.

although according to the study an ai wouldn't be necessary-i just love form and think it would enhance effects while keeping estrogen AND dht in check.
 
at high doses mytosterone reduces estrogen.In the study that muscletech had in their ads you can see it
 
Sion said:
at high doses mytosterone reduces estrogen.In the study that muscletech had in their ads you can see it
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i agree that the study says that-but there was some debate that lowering dht might have a effect on estrogen-so we really need to try it and see.

btw-the muscletech supp wasn't dosed very high so that study is moot as far as that product was concerned-the myodrol is dosed much higher, so the study should be more relevant to the myodrol.
 
Sion said:
at high doses mytosterone reduces estrogen.In the study that muscletech had in their ads you can see it
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that's true according to the study in the link that I threw in above. At 800mg test was boosted with only slight estrogen dip. At 1600mg, test boost was the same but estrogen dropped significantly more than the lower dose.
 
Honestly I have seen and noted over the years that MuscleTech was ahead of the game with all their researchers, however, they did not take advantage, and underdosed EVERYTHING except for caffeine. They are a dissapointment to the supplement industry, you can lead a horse to the wale, but if he does not drink, then he will not hydrate himself(my version). They basically try to scheme people, why, simple, THEY DO NOT BELIVE IN NATURAL SUPPLEMENTATION, and have NO INGEGRITY whatsoever.
 
andrew732 said:
Honestly I have seen and noted over the years that MuscleTech was ahead of the game with all their researchers, however, they did not take advantage, and underdosed EVERYTHING except for caffeine. They are a dissapointment to the supplement industry, you can lead a horse to the wale, but if he does not drink, then he will not hydrate himself(my version). They basically try to scheme people, why, simple, THEY DO NOT BELIVE IN NATURAL SUPPLEMENTATION, and have NO INGEGRITY whatsoever.
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they do however believe in making money-and seem to be quite good at it.
 
celc5 said:
that's true according to the study in the link that I threw in above. At 800mg test was boosted with only slight estrogen dip. At 1600mg, test boost was the same but estrogen dropped significantly more than the lower dose.
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if you dose it at 1600 or 2/2 caps per day-i am willing to try the 3/2 or 2/3 dosing for 2000mg daily and compare results to see if they are significant.
 
celc5 said:
Andrew,
I was thinking a little more about the DHT dilemma. I'm not comparing Myodrol to these supplements, but rather using them to facilitate discussion.

Formestane does a really good job of controlling DHT. And it's the supplement that makes me the most aggressive out of anything I've ever tried. So blocking DHT doesn't always mean that a product isn't good for strength and/or aggression.

Another example from the opposite perspective is androstenetrione. It binds strongly to the androgen receptor and makes me shed more than any designer I've ever tried. It also makes me break out like a 16 year old who doesn't wash his face :laugh:

So it's possible we're trying to control the AI effects. And at the same time according to the study, it's not really hindering response. Again this is just shop talk and by no means THE word on Myodrol. Just trying to consider all the angles.



Mine too. My lousy hairline isn't really something I ever think about personally, but I know it's a big deal for a lot of fellas.
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See this is the issue with DHT and androgen receptor binding, one is not to know how it will effect the individual due to physiology. I will say this, since formestane is androgenic it will naturally cause aggression, lets say it did not block DHT, maybe people would be even more aggressive, just a motion of thought. Myodrol will not work the same as Form nor Proscar, its pretty much in its own world. We shall see from users how it turns out to be in terms of benefits. The reason that androstenetrione made you break out was due to the 800% increase in estrogen that is noted with all andros, estrogen is a primary hormone for causing acne unlike the common myth of it being from testosterone. With elevated testosterone comes elevated estrogen. I think taking Formestane with this would not be ideal, its nice to have some DHT, and one could possible aggrevate gyno if they are prone to it. 6-bromo or aromasin ftw!
 
thebigt said:
they do however believe in making money-and seem to be quite good at it.
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That being said, how many people try their products then never go back? There are many of the companies on AM that have a very loyal and repetitive "fan base" and we won't look elsewhere easily because we found legit products. I never have taken anything MusclTech and never will because I know it is crap but I was lucky enough to be steered away in my early days, by of all people, my local GNC store manager that is a good guy.
 
andrew732 said:
The reason that androstenetrione made you break out was due to the 800% increase in estrogen
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Hmm, that's interesting. The study I read showed no change in estrogen. Either way, it seems to be a dud in estrogen control department and not the pct miracle it was tauted to be.

I know I know, where's the link? I can't freakin find it and I've been looking for it like crazy! I believe SomeWhatGifted posted the link to the pdf on here a long time ago, but still can't seem to find it :think:
 
Looks solid!

In other news...

I wish companies would stop using the term "Drol" in their products (like test boosters) cause then I get all glossy-eyed and excited thinking, "Oooooooooooh! New prohormone/prosteroid CANDY!! Almost as good as a good bone!" But then when I'd go to look up the ingredient profile to answer that proverbial bone, their whas like nooo wayyy...:sad:

But STILL... solid looking product :) It will be interesting to see how it pans out with blocking the negative aspects of DHT while promoting the positive aspects of it (libido, increased aggression and alpha-male mentality, etc...)
 
andrew732 said:
See this is the issue with DHT and androgen receptor binding, one is not to know how it will effect the individual due to physiology. I will say this, since formestane is androgenic it will naturally cause aggression, lets say it did not block DHT, maybe people would be even more aggressive, just a motion of thought. Myodrol will not work the same as Form nor Proscar, its pretty much in its own world. We shall see from users how it turns out to be in terms of benefits. The reason that androstenetrione made you break out was due to the 800% increase in estrogen that is noted with all andros, estrogen is a primary hormone for causing acne unlike the common myth of it being from testosterone. With elevated testosterone comes elevated estrogen. I think taking Formestane with this would not be ideal, its nice to have some DHT, and one could possible aggrevate gyno if they are prone to it. 6-bromo or aromasin ftw!
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Mmm 6-bromo. If this stacks well with this then I might have to try this out. I have 2 bottles of 6-bromo(and half bottle of HD-X2) but they might be reserved for pulsing purposes if not though its on :fest30:
 
Ouf,
interesting perspective. I actually thought I had decent results with Cell Tech back in the day. Then i tried bulk monohydrate and realized I got the same results with that LOL We have to live and learn I supposed :D

Swoody,
it could be worse, we could have named it MyoRoidExplodeX2 :laugh:

Tomahawk,
I'm not sure why you'd want to pulse AI's :think:

Swoody,
for your next rant, give all these guys helll who want to pulse things :stooges:
 
all i can say is i am excited to try it out. the potential seems to be there for this to be a decent product, and maybe more than just decent-i guess we will have to see. package hasn't come yet-shooting for monday, i will just have to be patient.:damnit1:
 
celc5 said:
Ouf,
interesting perspective. I actually thought I had decent results with Cell Tech back in the day. Then i tried bulk monohydrate and realized I got the same results with that LOL We have to live and learn I supposed :D

Swoody,
it could be worse, we could have named it MyoRoidExplodeX2 :laugh:

Tomahawk,
I'm not sure why you'd want to pulse AI's :think:

Swoody,
for your next rant, give all these guys helll who want to pulse things :stooges:
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I didnt pulse the AI I used it at night. They say to take it "off" nights but I took it every night and it seemed to work out well.
 
i found it at 1 big site i sometimes shop at for $33.95. damn, that seems like a really good price-according to the study test is raised in 3 days and doubled in 14-and with the 2000mg or 5 cap dose estrogen was also lowered by 9%.
 
swoody said:
I wish companies would stop using the term "Drol" in their products (like test boosters) cause then I get all glossy-eyed and excited thinking, "Oooooooooooh! New prohormone/prosteroid CANDY!! Almost as good as a good bone!" But then when I'd go to look up the ingredient profile to answer that proverbial bone, their whas like nooo wayyy...:sad:
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Then there's also the other end of the stick...concerned girlfriends and parents that think you're on steroids when it's just a test booster...
celc5 said:
Tomahawk,
I'm not sure why you'd want to pulse AI's :think:
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He meant to use the AI on the off days of a pulse of PH's...
 
Vengeance187 said:
Then there's also the other end of the stick...concerned girlfriends and parents that think you're on steroids when it's just a test booster
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I tell my gf that everything I take is steroid. She hears it so often that she has no idea when I actually am on something :laugh: It's none of her business really.

Now on the flip side, you might be a parent. In my opinion, the best way to deal with that is to educate. I'm not sure what age group Myodrol would be safe for. If this is your concern, let me know and I'll find out.
 
poison said:
Bump for info! Not many places selling it yet, it seems.
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As far as I know, there's a small handful of people that actually have Myodrol. Those are the lucky ones who got it at the Arnold a week or 2 ago. I suspect we'll start seeing it in more stores since it's just now becoming available for us reps.
 
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