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My Newest Research: EOD or E3D inj. could be best for LR3 IGF-1

jomi822 said:
i do not feel i can provide an accurate description with fat loss/mass gain due to the fact that i am using igf-1 in conjunction with anabolic steroids, including tren, which i have never used before.

i can literally eat until i am completely full and will still have a desire to keep eating. i feel the need to eat incessantly. despite my out of control diet i am continuing to lean out, albeit slowly. i would suggest that someone start a log using a twice a week application and see where we can go from there...

edit- every time i type A-A-S it is converted to "anabolic steroids" when i post it, hmm
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Haha yeah it does that to me too and it makes me sound like a friggin loser haha!

Glad to hear you are making progress though, I will check out the e4d scheme next time. I, too, am on a test/tren/sd (igf at some point) cycle so I know about the eating. I am always hungry, my girl HATES it haha. Everything we do is based around my eating schedule :D. I am on tren enanthate though and just started week 4 of 13 and am JUST now beggining to feel the tren although the 380mg per week of tren enan seems to be a bit low, I will run 500 next time I think.
 
:clap2: LMD just want to say good sh*t dude.I get a lot of good info reading your posts:head: I,m doing a halodrol,megazol,cycle now(day 17) with igf lr3@60mcg ed(day 3).I will be adding mgf into the mix soon,(shipped today).I read your thoughts about combining the two(igf,mfg)still a little unshure how to do the mfg with it.I like your method,but that method the mgf will basicly be dead before any good could be seen.My question is if doing a every 3rd day with igf,whats the best combo with the mgf?I know there is very limited info on the subject,but i would greatly appreciate your opinion.Thanks man........Good posts,keep it up :goodpost:
 
TripDog said:
:clap2: LMD just want to say good sh*t dude.I get a lot of good info reading your posts:head: I,m doing a halodrol,megazol,cycle now(day 17) with igf lr3@60mcg ed(day 3).I will be adding mgf into the mix soon,(shipped today).I read your thoughts about combining the two(igf,mfg)still a little unshure how to do the mfg with it.I like your method,but that method the mgf will basicly be dead before any good could be seen.My question is if doing a every 3rd day with igf,whats the best combo with the mgf?I know there is very limited info on the subject,but i would greatly appreciate your opinion.Thanks man........Good posts,keep it up :goodpost:
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I second that, BUMP!!!!!!:thumbsup:
 
Interesting post Jomi. I wonder if a e4d application schedule at 40 mics would allow one to use IGF-1 indefinately. 4mgs would last 400 days...you could use it all year-round...when off cycle, when on cycle, in post cycle therapy...and maybe get the benefit of constant hyperplasia.
 
well ive been on it on and off for about 2 months now and im not seeing any diminish in the super appetite. i have another 1000 mics on the way and i intend to keep using it into pct.
 
LakeMountD said:
If you do try make sure you keep the dosages a little lower and also give yourself a break before you start the new plan, don't start it half way through your ED inj. cycle.
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Why? If you dont mind me asking couldnt you go from Ed to E3D mid cycle?
BTW great research... simply amazing stuff here bro. Thanks a ton. I am getting bloodshot from reading all your posts.
 
LakeMountD said:
This isn't so much for the "sides" but instead to prevent the loss of effectiveness at that 3-4 week period that everyone sees.
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If it looses its effectiveness after time, how long do you need to wait until you can cycle it again? I used it for my PCT and would like to try it again sometime in the not to distant future.
 
Chemist63 said:
If it looses its effectiveness after time, how long do you need to wait until you can cycle it again? I used it for my post cycle therapy and would like to try it again sometime in the not to distant future.
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Again this isn't set in stone but I believe a good 2 weeks should be sufficient. If you absolutely cannot wait that long and your PCT is in a week that is fine too, just make sure you get some time off of it and let the receptors come back.

By the way, estrogens actually increase IGF-1R's (receptors) so if you guys are on an aromatizing cycle, it is better not to take the Anti-E's unless you absolutely have to.


That Dude- I think I misread what you intended to do. Can you post it again a little clearer just so I don't misunderstand it again :)
 
Hey Lake, any idea how to work this dosing w/the 'tropins? Would it be the same scenario as w/the "oral" administration?
 
Bionic said:
Hey Lake, any idea how to work this dosing w/the 'tropins? Would it be the same scenario as w/the "oral" administration?
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I guess it would depend on which tropin you are using.

It is going to take a little while to figure out the PEG-MGF. You have to remember we are releasing it at the same time we got it. I may get it a week earlier than everyone else (just received it and it is now in stock but not on the site just yet), so it is going to be new for me as well.

Remember guys, with the tropins it is a lymphatic delivery system. MAPD (Mucosa Adhesive Penetrating Drugs) technology has achieved greater than 61% bioavailability of Human Recombinant Insulin in oral drug delivery compared to (i.v.) injection. This means that it penetrates areas in the mouth and back of the throat. So I would definitely let it sit in your mouth for a second and then swallow it. Might be a little redundant but it could help.
 
Sorry brother. Should've been more specific. I meant dosing for OT-1. Specifically, if it should be taken e3d or EOD like with the "oral" version?
 
Im now on my second cycle of IGF-1lr3. The first one was ED. Deffinitly felt a decrease in its affect by week three. Now im on E3D. The pumps are awesome, and im a cyclist. I cant get enough, its feels like my legs are going to explode. I dont know about you guys but this stuff makes me feel great! Im into my second week and the effects seem to be getting stronger. I am seeing good strength gains in the gym. I cant wait to try trn/zol stacked with igf-lr3.
 
preston25 said:
Im now on my second cycle of IGF-1lr3. The first one was ED. Deffinitly felt a decrease in its affect by week three. Now im on E3D. The pumps are awesome, and im a cyclist. I cant get enough, its feels like my legs are going to explode. I dont know about you guys but this stuff makes me feel great! Im into my second week and the effects seem to be getting stronger. I am seeing good strength gains in the gym. I cant wait to try trn/zol stacked with igf-lr3.
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I bet you'd like low dose SD too (like 10mg/d). If you can avoid the pumps, the endurance effects are awesome. A stack w/ some rIGF-1(L3) EOD or E3D is sweet.
 
DR.D said:
I bet you'd like low dose superdrol too (like 10mg/d). If you can avoid the pumps, the endurance effects are awesome. A stack w/ some rIGF-1(L3) EOD or E3D is sweet.
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Agree 100%. I have used this playing football and the pumps weren't that bad at all. Add in high doses of taurine and it isn't even a concern.

Not just the increased red blood cells but the large increase in glycogen retention make this a perfect drug. Not very hepatoxic at this dosage either.
 
LakeMountD said:
Agree 100%. I have used this playing football and the pumps weren't that bad at all. Add in high doses of taurine and it isn't even a concern.

Not just the increased red blood cells but the large increase in glycogen retention make this a perfect drug. Not very hepatoxic at this dosage either.
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Yeah, even for months toxicity is minimal for an oral if doses are low enough. I always meant to ask you how it helped you with football. I'd guess great for any endurance sport.
 
DR.D said:
Yeah, even for months toxicity is minimal for an oral if doses are low enough. I always meant to ask you how it helped you with football. I'd guess great for any endurance sport.
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At 10 it GREATLY increased endurance. In fact even at 20 it did and I didn't even notice the pumps being so bad (except lower back pumps on squat day) either. Taurine at like 5 grams helped that though.

Solid when taken by itself!!! I ran < 4.39 on the hand clock the during the time.
 
Bionic said:
Sorry brother. Should've been more specific. I meant dosing for OT-1. Specifically, if it should be taken e3d or EOD like with the "oral" version?
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I'm interested too. Since it has 48 hour release should it be dosed every 4 days? 3 days?

And with greater time between doses how long could it be run before needing take a break?
 
Hey Lake Mount- With the new dosing procedures of eod, e3d,e4d extending cycles out to 6 weeks the down time is only 2 weeks to let receptors recover?

I just want you to confirm this because I had been under the impression of time off equaling time on simply because of experience with AAS. I understand that with the new dosing procedure you should theoretically have the same level of receptor shutdown/coverage (whatever the correct term is) as you would with ED dosing for 28 days so therefore you would need the same amount of down time or time off with either the ED or EOD,E3D,E4D. I just want to make sure I'm not taking any more time off than is absolutely necessary as I'm planning on running 3 injections a week at 60mcg per inject for 6 weeks along with 50mg ed of anavar and 5 tabs ed of tridenosen.

Sorry about the long winded post I just want to make sure that I only have to take 2 weeks between IGF cycles as the total cycle length will be 16 weeks and I want to remain on IGF for as much of it as possible.
 
There is no literature to explain how quick you get all of your receptors back, or well none that I have found. I am still trying to dig for that. However, 2 weeks seems to be a reasonable number. I am not sure if you are on anabolics but estrogens increase IGF-1R's, so if you are on an aromatizable cycle, I would cut off the anti-e's. If not then I would get off any test boosting agents if you are only waiting 2 weeks.
 
LakeMountD said:
There is no literature to explain how quick you get all of your receptors back, or well none that I have found. I am still trying to dig for that. However, 2 weeks seems to be a reasonable number. I am not sure if you are on anabolics but estrogens increase IGF-1R's, so if you are on an aromatizable cycle, I would cut off the anti-e's. If not then I would get off any test boosting agents if you are only waiting 2 weeks.
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Tell you what this is my current format for my upcoming cycle. If you wouldn't mind I'd appreciate you critiquing anything that might not be correct as far as IGF administration

week 1-6 Anavar 50mg ed, 60mcg IGF 3x per week PWO, Tridenosen ed

week 7-8 Anavar 50mg ed, OFF IGF, Tridenosen ed

week 9-14 Anavar 50mg ed, 60mcg IGF 3x per week PWO, Tridenosen ed

week 15-16 Anavar 50mg ed, OFF IGF, Tridenson ed

week 17-22 Off Anavar, 60mcg IGF 3x per week PWO, Tridenosen ED

Basically is breaks down to 6 weeks on IGF then 2 weeks off

Please let me know what you think.
 
Champ50 said:
Tell you what this is my current format for my upcoming cycle. If you wouldn't mind I'd appreciate you critiquing anything that might not be correct as far as IGF administration

week 1-6 Anavar 50mg ed, 60mcg IGF 3x per week PWO, Tridenosen ed

week 7-8 Anavar 50mg ed, OFF IGF, Tridenosen ed

week 9-14 Anavar 50mg ed, 60mcg IGF 3x per week PWO, Tridenosen ed

week 15-16 Anavar 50mg ed, OFF IGF, Tridenson ed

week 17-22 Off Anavar, 60mcg IGF 3x per week PWO, Tridenosen ED

Basically is breaks down to 6 weeks on IGF then 2 weeks off

Please let me know what you think.
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Looks like a great cycle but 60mcg is quite a lot. If you were at 40mcg you would be decreasing by 33%, which is a large decrease and frankly I think it is a better idea to do 20-40mcg 3x per week. I prefer E3-4D but I understand your position.
 
LakeMountD said:
Looks like a great cycle but 60mcg is quite a lot. If you were at 40mcg you would be decreasing by 33%, which is a large decrease and frankly I think it is a better idea to do 20-40mcg 3x per week. I prefer E3-4D but I understand your position.
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This is my first run of IGF with anabolics, I really want to hit a homerun with this one and get the best out of it, results are much more important than money for this one. With that said at 60mcg per inject would I be able to run it 6 weeks at a time or am I going to downgrade and end up wasting product. I know you can't answer me with 100% certainty but with the premise of results as the priority over conserving product and money what do you think?
 
Champ50 said:
This is my first run of IGF with anabolics, I really want to hit a homerun with this one and get the best out of it, results are much more important than money for this one. With that said at 60mcg per inject would I be able to run it 6 weeks at a time or am I going to downgrade and end up wasting product. I know you can't answer me with 100% certainty but with the premise of results as the priority over conserving product and money what do you think?
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I personally feel 60mcg on something like m-w-f is too much. I don't see full recovery occurring this quickly. Personally I don't even see (receptor) recovery occurring with 40mcg on m-w-f. 20mcg is the safest bet but I know that is much lower than you had planned on going. I have posted the blood sugar results of a single 20mcg injection in the morning. Blood sugar was kept low ALL DAY. The thread is in here somewhere. Up to you man, give 40mcg a shot and see how it goes. Let us know your results.
 
Im on my second cycle of igf-1lr3. e3d seems to be working out better. Recovery is great. bf is decreased, and noticing some steady strength gains. Im on week 2 and will continue for 1-2 more. I am going to start trn/zol on the final week of igf-1lr3.
 
Bionic said:
Sorry brother. Should've been more specific. I meant dosing for OT-1. Specifically, if it should be taken e3d or EOD like with the "oral" version?
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Bump
 
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thanks
 
Bionic said:
Originally Posted by Bionic
Sorry brother. Should've been more specific. I meant dosing for OT-1. Specifically, if it should be taken e3d or EOD like with the "oral" version?

Bump
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It would need to be e4d or e5d because of Oratrophin's 48 hour timed release.

I am going to try every 4th day for 45 days with the new double dosed 80mcg version.

I'm little worried that dose is going too high since I'm now armed with knowledge of how to get close to 100% from the Oratrophin.
 
Werewolf said:
It would need to be e4d or e5d because of Oratrophin's 48 hour timed release.

I am going to try every 4th day for 45 days with the new double dosed 80mcg version.

I'm little worried that dose is going too high since I'm now armed with knowledge of how to get close to 100% from the Oratrophin.
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Yeh you can use a half-dose at a time though. 90 days.
 
Grunt76 said:
Yeh you can use a half-dose at a time though. 90 days.
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There you go making me think. Ya, I guess I could put first half a dose on my finger and then put on my inside of cheek or top of tongue.

Do really think it would still be affective at 90 days?

Dr D was doing 3 times a week at 20 mcg and saying he getting a good 50 days. I think I would need to take a week or two break around the middle.
 
Ok, I have decided to give the wolf half doses (40mcg) starting today on every fourth day. Taking a couple week break around 48 days.

The wolf is coming off a week break from PGH-T and will run it twice a day on the same two on, one off cycle. It will also on NHA stack in the middle of a slow cut. I know the low estrogen isn't the best, but the NHA cycle seems to work very well for a cut. The low estrogen is one of the reasons of going to half dosing. Trying to go from 10% to below 8%.
 
Werewolf said:
Ok, I have decided to give the wolf half doses (40mcg) starting today on every fourth day. Taking a couple week break around 48 days.

The wolf is coming off a week break from PGH-T and will run it twice a day on the same two on, one off cycle. It will also on NHA stack in the middle of a slow cut. I know the low estrogen isn't the best, but the NHA cycle seems to work very well for a cut. The low estrogen is one of the reasons of going to half dosing. Trying to go from 10% to below 8%.
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Looks like a great plan to me. Keep us updated aight?:bb:
 
I have posted the blood sugar results of a single 20mcg injection in the morning. Blood sugar was kept low ALL DAY. The thread is in here somewhere. Up to you man, give 40mcg a shot and see how it goes. Let us know your results.
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Where is it??? :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

I've been getting Hella low BG levels. I've found that 1 cup of oats added just before bed has helped immensely. I'd like to see your results.
 
LMD, after mulling it over I've decided to go with 20mcg for 6 weeks 3x per week PWO. I'll keep you posted on my progress and if I am not satisfied with results I will try 30mcg next time around just gonna have to see how everything goes but I'm happy to contribute to the board.
 
Well, I just started reading up on this LR3 IGF in the last couple of days, I know alot of you have been hip to this stuff for quite awhile so please forgive my newbieness.
Pretty much all the info I have at this point has come from this board. Great info btw!!! LMD, you rock!

Lets see if I have a basic understanding.....please bear with me and make any corrections you see fit.....

It seems at first people were doing something like 40-80mcg/ED for 4 weeks or so and now the common wisdom is something like 20mcg E3D for 5 - 6 weeks....is this still the case? Also the concensus seems to be for IM injection, bilaterally in the worked muscles PWO.
What one could expect from such a cycle would be an increase in the actual number of muscle cells and loss of bodyfat, increased pumps. Over the weeks following the cycle those new cells should start to grow, further increasing mass as well as strength.

I've never done any anabolic steroids for fear of screwing with my Test levels in a bad way. But this stuff sounds great to me and since i dont have AAS experience any results will probably be phenomenal as far as I'm concerned. I know most of you are using this as part of your post cycle therapy but this stuff would BE my cycle.

Stats:
38 yrs old
5'10"
155lbs
~10% bodyfat (maybe a bit lower now)
been working out for 22 years.

Interested in hearing any new protocols on the use of this stuff.

Champ50 how is your cycle going?
 
Werewolf said:
It would need to be e4d or e5d because of Oratrophin's 48 hour timed release.

I am going to try every 4th day for 45 days with the new double dosed 80mcg version.

I'm little worried that dose is going too high since I'm now armed with knowledge of how to get close to 100% from the Oratrophin.
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Close to 100%? Nice! You doing anything other then what TheGame mentioned in the “How the tropins work" threads? It’s been 2 weeks at 40mcg per day and I keep thinking that I’m wasting most of it. Tastes/feels like allot of it gets washed away by saliva (no I’m not moving my tongue around and not eating /drinking until an hour has past:). I use the oral syringe and apply it to the inside of my cheeks and spread it around with the syringe.
 
Rivet said:
Close to 100%? Nice! You doing anything other then what TheGame mentioned in the “How the tropins work" threads? It’s been 2 weeks at 40mcg per day and I keep thinking that I’m wasting most of it. Tastes/feels like allot of it gets washed away by saliva (no I’m not moving my tongue around and not eating /drinking until an hour has past:). I use the oral syringe and apply it to the inside of my cheeks and spread it around with the syringe.
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I lay on my side so it doesn't go down my throat when taking half dose and put it on inside of cheek. I roll to other side by rolling over on my face and let salva set on other cheek for a while. I then roll on back and let go down on back on throat when it also get absorbed. Sounds like a lot of effort, but it isn't. It actually really easy. Besides I'm only doing it every 4th day.
 
Werewolf said:
I lay on my side so it doesn't go down my throat when taking half dose and put it on inside of cheek. I roll to other side by rolling over on my face and let salva set on other cheek for a while. I then roll on back and let go down on back on throat when it also get absorbed. Sounds like a lot of effort, but it isn't. It actually really easy. Besides I'm only doing it every 4th day.
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Oh IM doing that too :) That and when watching a movie or something I prop 2 pillows under my chest and lay facing down. Its just that when I have to swallow I feel like alot of it being washed away with it.
 
Bump and a question... (Great info LMD)

If you were to do the IGF 2x/wk and are also running gh and insulin, what would be the best way to work that in?

Do the GH at a higher dose two days per week? Same with the insulin? Or is something else better for those two things?

Muscle is the goal, not worried about fat loss.
 
I wanted to run a natural test boost cycle bringing up my estrogen levels as well to see the impact with using IGF. And because I need to regain some strenght levels and some elevated estrogen levels always seem to help with that as well.

I have done several IGF cycles over the last year. The last few have been on the E3D protocol for 4 weeks.

This last cycle was definetly the most effective as stacking it with Activate and Diesel Test. Both of these raise estrogen levels. This cycle was done at 40mcg E3D for four weeks. with Activate at 4/day and DT at 5/day

I went form 235bw to 240bw with my love handle dropping from 10mm to 9mm. Which is impressive since the extra estrogen should be causing some additional water retention around the midsection.

Strength went through the roof. I'm not back to benching 600+ and squating 700+ but I'm on my way.

Just thought I would share my unscientific data with everyone.

Kabuki the powerlifter
 
kabuki said:
I wanted to run a natural test boost cycle bringing up my estrogen levels as well to see the impact with using IGF. And because I need to regain some strenght levels and some elevated estrogen levels always seem to help with that as well.

I have done several IGF cycles over the last year. The last few have been on the E3D protocol for 4 weeks.

This last cycle was definetly the most effective as stacking it with Activate and Diesel Test. Both of these raise estrogen levels. This cycle was done at 40mcg E3D for four weeks. with Activate at 4/day and DT at 5/day

I went form 235bw to 240bw with my love handle dropping from 10mm to 9mm. Which is impressive since the extra estrogen should be causing some additional water retention around the midsection.

Strength went through the roof. I'm not back to benching 600+ and squating 700+ but I'm on my way.

Just thought I would share my unscientific data with everyone.

Kabuki the powerlifter
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i appreciate it.
 
seems like a lot of people are running IGF with post cycle but ive read from a few knowledgable people the best results are seen on cycle.

yes? no? LMD?

maybe possibly starting to run it a week or so into the cycle and end a week or so into the post cycle therapy? (for oral cycles obviously, inject i think you would be able to run both on and off since they run 14 weeks or so)

i know its not the main topic of this thread but it seemed like the best place for an answer.
 
Pioneer said:
seems like a lot of people are running IGF with post cycle but ive read from a few knowledgable people the best results are seen on cycle.

yes? no? LMD?

maybe possibly starting to run it a week or so into the cycle and end a week or so into the post cycle therapy? (for oral cycles obviously, inject i think you would be able to run both on and off since they run 14 weeks or so)

i know its not the main topic of this thread but it seemed like the best place for an answer.
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With Toremifene giving 3 to 4 day recovery of Natural test levels, the need for IGF-1R3 into post cycle is not as important as it used to be. You are going get the most new muscle on cycle. Estrogen is very good for new muscle with IGF-1R3. Also with this new protcol allowing longer IGF-1R3 use time. I would be guessing last 6 weeks of cycle and 2 weeks into PCT. PCT should be geared to to get into a NHA cycle of Rebound and ActivaTe ASAP. That is my 2 cents worth.

LMD?
 
Werewolf said:
With Toremifene giving 3 to 4 day recovery of Natural test levels, the need for IGF-1R3 into post cycle is not as important as it used to be. You are going get the most new muscle on cycle. Estrogen is very good for new muscle with IGF-1R3. Also with this new protcol allowing longer IGF-1R3 use time. I would be guessing last 6 weeks of cycle and 2 weeks into post cycle therapy. PCT should be geared to to get into a NHA cycle of Rebound and ActivaTe ASAP. That is my 2 cents worth.

LMD?
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nicely put!
 
I'm about to run 6 weeks of IGF on cycle and then 6 weeks of it during PCT.

All that with just one kit.

I'm going to be running it @ 40mcg postworkout twice per week.

At this dosage, 1mg = 25 servings (40mcg) If you inject it only twice per week thats 12.5 weeks worth. Works out perfectly for on cycle and PCT use. I cant wait to try it.
 
LakeMountD said:
At 10 it GREATLY increased endurance. In fact even at 20 it did and I didn't even notice the pumps being so bad (except lower back pumps on squat day) either. Taurine at like 5 grams helped that though.

Solid when taken by itself!!! I ran < 4.39 on the hand clock the during the time.
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I took SD at 20 ED and noticed a huge increase in endurance and athletic performance as well. Lower back pumps were awful for me, Taurine did help though. My appetite went up a lot too, I don't even want to know what SD and IGF-1 and b12 would do to me.
 
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