jmaplewood
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Damn looking huge man! And what is that sandwich it looks awesome. Can't wait for bulking season!
My Mk677 log 2016
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BennyMagoo79
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Just go to a bulk billing doctor and ask for a blood test referral. You can ask that they check testosterone, estrogen, LH, DHEA, and others, its literally just a matter of him ticking the boxes on the pdf form. You have to go back to the same doc for your results, and if you test is real low he might even prescribe your pct. But basically, anytime you want a bloodtest you can order it thru ur doc.
BennyMagoo79
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Also, duuuuude u r looking jacked af! Nice work mate!
4evafit
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Day 89 mk677/ day 80 ldg: so been running 12.5mg for almost 2 weeks now. Only thing I have noticed is increased joint pain. That's about it. No strength gains at all. Hit chest today and tried to do abs after and again I cramped up even worse then before. Was to the point where I couldn't breath. Everytime I breathed out it will cramp. So I was stuck on the floor in a abdominal stretch for a good 3 mins. Was stupid. I only attempted 1 set. Anyway cycle is coming to a end soon. I think I have miss counted the days. I will have to go back and check. I have decided to run nolva for pct at 20/20/20/20. I think that should be enough to get me back to good levels. I will be doing a blood test next week and a final body fat scan. I feel like I am a bit leaner. Haven't been eating like usual. I'm under calories. Heres a pic from today Invalid Link Removed
gagandugan
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This is what I call solid progress!
4evafit
Member
That's legit. Yeh I'm always starving lol
ericos_bob
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That's a helluva transformation. You've gotta be pretty stoked on your results!
I'm on week 3 of Nolvadex at 20mg ED. My family jewels have started to plump up beyond pre-cycle norm. Can't tell you if Clomid would have turned them into coconuts but Nolva is definitely doing something positive. Perhaps some people respond differently(better) to Clomid than Nolvadex or it's just the fact it's been a long time go to SERM having been around before the new kids on the block. There's plenty of studies to suggest Nolvadex is as effective if not moreso than Clomid for increasing LH and FSH and ultimately test levels.
www .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/640052
I'm on week 3 of Nolvadex at 20mg ED. My family jewels have started to plump up beyond pre-cycle norm. Can't tell you if Clomid would have turned them into coconuts but Nolva is definitely doing something positive. Perhaps some people respond differently(better) to Clomid than Nolvadex or it's just the fact it's been a long time go to SERM having been around before the new kids on the block. There's plenty of studies to suggest Nolvadex is as effective if not moreso than Clomid for increasing LH and FSH and ultimately test levels.
www .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/640052
4evafit
Member
Only reason Is cause I didn't Like the sound of clomid Making you a emotional wreck. I'm going through a though time and don't want it to get worse.
4evafit
Member
Cheers mate. That's great. Do you think a 20/20/20/20 nolva protocol be enough to get me back ?
mmorso
Well-known member
Everyone reacts differently from what I'm told.. yeah I'm about to run Clomid for the 1st time.. I'm bracing myself lol
mmorso
Well-known member
Look into OL's new PCT product, K1ng's Blood.. sh1t looks great man
jmaplewood
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First time I ran clomid, I was nervous cause of the emotional sides talk. I experienced no problems, in fact the first few days I felt really good, almost a bit of alpha male feeling. Libido bounced back like crazy. Ran it 50/25/25/12.5 .Second time around, no alpha male feel, but no sides either. I've been reading its effective even at lower doses.
mmorso
Well-known member
Yeah I've been hearing about similar experiences with Clomid: namely the ridiculous increase in test and the alpha feeling... I hope that's the reaction I get... my wife's pregnant and my toddler doesn't need two hormonal parents running the show. Lol
ericos_bob
Active member
20/20/10/10 is pretty standard protocol for moderate cycles. There's so many preferences out there though with some running as high as 40/40/20/20 for harsh cycles or lower doses and extending PCT. From studies I've seen on Nolvadex it's already very effective at 10-20mg so I'm not sure how much better the effects at high doses will be. I'm thinking more potential for sides. I've gone with 20/20/20/20 because Nolva is treating me well and I can't be bothered splitting tablets. If you're not going to taper Nolva run an AI (suicide type not reversible) or a solid PCT product containing an AI alongside to help get estrogen in check. That's what's been recommended to me. I'm taking LeCheap AD-3 personally. Hope you bounce back strong.
BTW Yates has a nice write up on PCT worth a look here.
http ://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/276620-post-cycle-therapy.html
BTW Yates has a nice write up on PCT worth a look here.
http ://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/276620-post-cycle-therapy.html
ericos_bob
Active member
are you going to run MK677 into PCT?
4evafit
Member
Thanks for your insight was very informative. Yes I do plan to run mk throughout pct.
I can't be bothered running a Ai. Should I go with 20/20/10/10 ?
ericos_bob
Active member
If that's the case then run 20/20/10/10. As you probably know Nolvadex reduces IGF1 levels so I'm not sure where MK677 stands in the equation. It may keep the balance in favour. In any case a positive nitrogen balance from MK can't be a bad thing when it comes to maintaining your gains.
4evafit
Member
No I didn't know that. Even at small doses ?
ericos_bob
Active member
Yes at 20mg
www .steroidal.com/anti-estrogens-pct/nolvadex/nolvadex-dosage/ The couple paragraphs above Female Nolvadex Dosage.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though so long as it gets your test production going. Just not sure if running MK has much/any benefit in terms of IGF levels while on Nolvadex.
www .steroidal.com/anti-estrogens-pct/nolvadex/nolvadex-dosage/ The couple paragraphs above Female Nolvadex Dosage.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though so long as it gets your test production going. Just not sure if running MK has much/any benefit in terms of IGF levels while on Nolvadex.
4evafit
Member
Interesting. Ok I won't run it during pct them. Save myself some cash too
. Thanks for making me aware of that Bro.
BennyMagoo79
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4evafit
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Day 95 mk677/ day 86 lgd: hit legs today. Had a great workout. Legs were cramping up. Still on 12.5mg lgd. Joints feel good. Still have tingling fingers and hands 80% of the day. Will be getting a blood test sometime this week to see how my test is looking. Here is a couple of selfies post workout ( excuse the hairy body)
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4evafit
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Day 98 mk677/ day 89 lgd: so increased dose to 15mg lgd last 2 days just so I can finish bottle. I don't feel much different. Finally got a Chance to get a blood test today. Results should be in by Tuesday. Still feeling numbness in my fingers and hands. No more joint pain. Pumps are still solid. Lethargy is half half. Still always hungry. Today is gonna be big chest, shoulders and tris workout. Tommorrow will complete exactly 12 weeks on lgd. I will get my body fat tested on Monday for the last time and get my final pictures up. same poses, same lighting. Pct will start Monday as well. I will start 20mg nolva and depending on my blood test results may increase or decrease dose. Stay tuned. Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
hairygrandpa
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Ehw, you are hairy dude, LOL
4evafit
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Sparkss
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Looking jacked as h3ll!
migseattle
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I'm just catching up to your blog and let me throw in my experience as I ran a cycle exactly like yours - MK677 and LGD. By the end of it I was very suppressed (test in the 80's) and also my cholesterol was messed up with very low HDL and high LDL. Did you include lipid profile in your blood tests? My cholesterol went back to normal on its own after stopping LGD but you want to keep an eye on it.
For PCT I did *both* clomid and nolva: Clomid 50/50/25/25, Nolva 20/20/10/10. It worked like a charm and by the end my test was over 1000. No side effects at all. I also experienced a loss of libido which took another couple of weeks after PCT to come back. Week 2 of PCT was probably the worst while your test is still low and the LGD wears off your system. You just have to power through it and try your best to keep the intensity up in the gym.
MK677 is great to help you protect your gains. I put on a very lean 15 lbs during my cycle and didn't lose an ounce to date. I plan to run MK677 for at least 6 months or even a year which is what many people recommend.
One additional consideration. As your test climbs in PCT, your estrogen will too. You may want to monitor it about 2 or 3 weeks in, and add an aromatase inhibitor (low dose) if needed. High E may cause you to hold water and bloat, give you some hot flashes, and may also delay the return of your libido. I used Aromasin (exemestane) at 12.5mg EOD starting in week 3 of PCT and it helped a lot. My E had climbed to the mid 40's and I wanted back in the mid-20's which is where it was pre-cycle.
Good luck. Keep logging during your PCT... Subbed!
For PCT I did *both* clomid and nolva: Clomid 50/50/25/25, Nolva 20/20/10/10. It worked like a charm and by the end my test was over 1000. No side effects at all. I also experienced a loss of libido which took another couple of weeks after PCT to come back. Week 2 of PCT was probably the worst while your test is still low and the LGD wears off your system. You just have to power through it and try your best to keep the intensity up in the gym.
MK677 is great to help you protect your gains. I put on a very lean 15 lbs during my cycle and didn't lose an ounce to date. I plan to run MK677 for at least 6 months or even a year which is what many people recommend.
One additional consideration. As your test climbs in PCT, your estrogen will too. You may want to monitor it about 2 or 3 weeks in, and add an aromatase inhibitor (low dose) if needed. High E may cause you to hold water and bloat, give you some hot flashes, and may also delay the return of your libido. I used Aromasin (exemestane) at 12.5mg EOD starting in week 3 of PCT and it helped a lot. My E had climbed to the mid 40's and I wanted back in the mid-20's which is where it was pre-cycle.
Good luck. Keep logging during your PCT... Subbed!
4evafit
Member
Much better man. Was just a strain.
4evafit
Member
Thank you for your awesome insight. I do really feel suppressed bad. My libido is waay down. Do you think I should do 40/40/20/20 instead of 20/20/10/10?
I'm getting my blood test results Tommorrow. maybe I'll check how suppressed I am. Then determine dose from there?
Yes I did check for lipids too. Hopefully its not too bad. Tommorrow will be first dose of nolva. I ran out of mk677 today. So my 12 weeks is officially over.
Will post final pics with weight and bf % Tommorrow guys stay tuned
mmorso
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Good deal man.. I hate when my lower back acts up and slows training down for a couple weeks.. that would suck getting injured going into PCT.
Are you finishing your log or keeping it up through PCT?
migseattle
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Personally I've never tried those doses and I'm not sure more is better with Nolva especially alone. When I researched for my own PCT I learned that Clomid and Nolva are synergistic with each other so you can keep them both at lower doses to avoid side effects and get great results. It certainly worked for me! Can you add Clomid to your protocol?
Please post your blood results when you get them, it'd be interesting to "compare notes".
I'm also very interested in your experience as you stop MK677. I'm still on it, and the more I stay on the more I think that it had a big role to play in my gains. Initially I thought it was going to be more of a support element to help with better recovery, minor injuries, etc. But to this day I still have the "pumped" feeling and muscle fullness as when I was on LGD, and I haven't lost any gains. So I definitely think the MK it's doing more than just helping with healing.
BennyMagoo79
Well-known member
Awesome log bro. I have learned so much from your experiences and those of commentors here. Thanks for sharing it with us.
ericos_bob
Active member
Just remember your SERM be it Nolva/Clomid may not restore your libido while you're taking them so don't freak out if that's the case. My libido went to nothing while running Nolva yet I'm fairly confident my T levels are up based on my other symptoms.
4evafit
Member
Sorry guys for the lack of updates been super busy. I will get the final pics up tommorrow.
My blood test result came in today.
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My cholesterol is high at 6.4 normal range is below 5.5
My liver is really bad. It's at 72 normal is 0-40.
My testosterone is super Low at 2.3 normal range is (10-32)
The doctor was like omg your like a old mAn. Why is your test so low??
I was like you mad brah lol.
I'm shocked with my liver results. Why is it so high? I thought sarms are not toxic??
Today Is second day of pct with nolva took 20mg on first 2 days feel normal. Should increase to 40mg to heal?Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
My blood test result came in today.
. My cholesterol is high at 6.4 normal range is below 5.5
My liver is really bad. It's at 72 normal is 0-40.
My testosterone is super Low at 2.3 normal range is (10-32)
The doctor was like omg your like a old mAn. Why is your test so low??
I was like you mad brah lol.
I'm shocked with my liver results. Why is it so high? I thought sarms are not toxic??
Today Is second day of pct with nolva took 20mg on first 2 days feel normal. Should increase to 40mg to heal?Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
migseattle
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I would not go to 40mg of Nolva. I think it's a better idea to add Clomid to your PCT and do Clomid 50/50/25/25 + Nolva 20/20/10/10. Recovering your HTPA is a slow and steady process.
What I see in your bloodwork is very similar to what I experienced in my cycle: Messed up cholesterol (too bad they don't list HDL and LDL separately, but your high total cholesterol is probably the result of very low HDL and high LDL), stressed liver (ALT/AST) and heavily suppressed testosterone. Many people report these as the side effects of LGD.
Cholesterol should go back to normal on its own. Just eat a lot of avocados
GW also provides great cholesterol support if you ever decide to run it on or off an LGD cycle.
I did bloods mid-cycle so I caught the liver issues earlier. I used UDCA (ursodeoxycholic acid) at 250mg/day for 4 weeks that that took care of it. There's a variant of this supplement called TUDCA which may be easier to find, I've been told it works well too. You could also try NAC (N-acetyl cysteine) which is a great liver support supplement. Are you taking any other medications? Some meds can stress the liver too.
The most important aspect is to recover your sex hormones. Again, Clomid+Nolva worked great for me. And you may want to add a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor like exemestane (Aromasin) to prevent your estrogen to climb alongside your testosterone as it recovers. 10-12 mg/day of exem worked well for me.
Just be prepared for the crash... you'll feel pretty crappy for the next 1-2 weeks (lethargy, low energy, lack of focus, zero libido) while your T is still low. Things will start to improve on week 3 and beyond. My libido took its sweet time to come back!
One more observation -- I see that you did your bloods in the afternoon. For testosterone, it's better to get the blood drawn first thing in the morning since T is highest in the morning and drops as the day goes by.
I hope this helps!
What I see in your bloodwork is very similar to what I experienced in my cycle: Messed up cholesterol (too bad they don't list HDL and LDL separately, but your high total cholesterol is probably the result of very low HDL and high LDL), stressed liver (ALT/AST) and heavily suppressed testosterone. Many people report these as the side effects of LGD.
Cholesterol should go back to normal on its own. Just eat a lot of avocados
GW also provides great cholesterol support if you ever decide to run it on or off an LGD cycle.I did bloods mid-cycle so I caught the liver issues earlier. I used UDCA (ursodeoxycholic acid) at 250mg/day for 4 weeks that that took care of it. There's a variant of this supplement called TUDCA which may be easier to find, I've been told it works well too. You could also try NAC (N-acetyl cysteine) which is a great liver support supplement. Are you taking any other medications? Some meds can stress the liver too.
The most important aspect is to recover your sex hormones. Again, Clomid+Nolva worked great for me. And you may want to add a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor like exemestane (Aromasin) to prevent your estrogen to climb alongside your testosterone as it recovers. 10-12 mg/day of exem worked well for me.
Just be prepared for the crash... you'll feel pretty crappy for the next 1-2 weeks (lethargy, low energy, lack of focus, zero libido) while your T is still low. Things will start to improve on week 3 and beyond. My libido took its sweet time to come back!
One more observation -- I see that you did your bloods in the afternoon. For testosterone, it's better to get the blood drawn first thing in the morning since T is highest in the morning and drops as the day goes by.
I hope this helps!
mmorso
Well-known member
Sorry to hijack 4evafit...
migseattle, I ran a similar LGD/MK cycle but also had a methyl in my stack and am in wk 1 of pct.. using clomid solo at 50/50/25/25. I feel like garbage but I'm concerned about adding nolva to the mix because it seems like it would stress my liver out more and I also take Benadryl to sleep and have heard there is a dangerous interaction (some heart rate interval? I read about it a couple months ago). Also, I don't have any exem on hand and am super broke...
Should I add nolva at 20/20/10/10 without exem or just continue with clomid at 50/50/25/25? I ordered some K1ng's Blood that I will be taking too... thanks for your help bro
migseattle, I ran a similar LGD/MK cycle but also had a methyl in my stack and am in wk 1 of pct.. using clomid solo at 50/50/25/25. I feel like garbage but I'm concerned about adding nolva to the mix because it seems like it would stress my liver out more and I also take Benadryl to sleep and have heard there is a dangerous interaction (some heart rate interval? I read about it a couple months ago). Also, I don't have any exem on hand and am super broke...
Should I add nolva at 20/20/10/10 without exem or just continue with clomid at 50/50/25/25? I ordered some K1ng's Blood that I will be taking too... thanks for your help bro
migseattle
New member
Adding Nolvadex will help control estrogen as well, so yes, I think it'd be good to add. At a low dose like 20mg and under, it should not be hard on your liver. However I have no idea regarding the interactions with Benadryl so do some research about that...
hairygrandpa
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Your bloods are as expected, nothing to worry here. Follow your PCT protocol and eat clean. I would stay away from fats, -up fruit and veggies.
As you already got my personal opinion on how to manage PCT, I'll just observe.
I'm interested how your low dose approach works. (remember, I suggested 100mg clomid for at least the first two weeks, going 6 weeks total - old school approach.)
Consider to take Tudca and NAC for liver support.
As you already got my personal opinion on how to manage PCT, I'll just observe.
I'm interested how your low dose approach works. (remember, I suggested 100mg clomid for at least the first two weeks, going 6 weeks total - old school approach.)
Consider to take Tudca and NAC for liver support.
mmorso
Well-known member
What about omegas?
hairygrandpa
Legend
Fish oil? Always.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Everyone handles it differently, many roads lead to Rome.
Here is what I would do, after having tried a bit of this- and that:
-keeping cals high but lower fats (no milk, cheese, animal fat) Liver in mind...
-gym: going heavy with low rep count (bulking was with high volume, higher rep range)
-clomid 100/100/80/80/60/50
-Black Lion Research: "Rebirth" starting at week 4 (saw blood from members works great)
-exemestane after cessation of clomid at 12,5mg every 3 days for max. 2 weeks
-Tudca, Nac, Fish oil, Niacin 2x 1000mg/day
Please don't bash me for my opinion, like happened here in the past. I'm here to learn.
Here is what I would do, after having tried a bit of this- and that:
-keeping cals high but lower fats (no milk, cheese, animal fat) Liver in mind...
-gym: going heavy with low rep count (bulking was with high volume, higher rep range)
-clomid 100/100/80/80/60/50
-Black Lion Research: "Rebirth" starting at week 4 (saw blood from members works great)
-exemestane after cessation of clomid at 12,5mg every 3 days for max. 2 weeks
-Tudca, Nac, Fish oil, Niacin 2x 1000mg/day
Please don't bash me for my opinion, like happened here in the past. I'm here to learn.
smith_69
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krill is better