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muscle marinade= very dissapointed

DonnyG said:
This is a hilarious way of putting it but you are right. I tried 5 or 6 different preworkouts before I used a sample of MM, and I was so amped from 1 serving that I almost threw up. I'll never forget that day in the gym.

Heavy stims are WHY people buy preworkouts. It's no secret that when you are amped up on stims, you go on beast mode. The military gave amphetamines to their soldiers back in the day....we are soldiers of the gym, we need our stims...just an analogy.

MM is great. I think the OP might have had a bad experience, but I hope that doesn't deter anyone who likes pwos with stims from trying it.
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Craze is part of the military repertoire? Cool haha
 
Not trying to turn anyone away from it. Just giving my experience with it. Maybe orange wasn't the best flavor either. Anyways ,nice discussion fellas
 
Celorza said:
:blink: why do I wanna try that...?
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The question is, why wouldn't you want to try that?


Lately I've been using 2-2.5 scoops of Craze or 1 scoop of Craze+1.5 scoops of Flashover. I enjoyed C4 a lot because of the Creatine Nitrate, but Anabolic Ignite has a bit more Creatine Nitrate and other good pre-workout ingredients. Craze is amazing for the focus, maybe not the rush, if your looking for more of that rush type feeling just take any basic stim pre-workout like Jack3d or Flashover with some Anabolic Ignite, it don't get better then that for pre-workout.
 
JudgementDay said:
The question is, why wouldn't you want to try that?


Lately I've been using 2-2.5 scoops of Craze or 1 scoop of Craze+1.5 scoops of Flashover. I enjoyed C4 a lot because of the Creatine Nitrate, but Anabolic Ignite has a bit more Creatine Nitrate and other good pre-workout ingredients. Craze is amazing for the focus, maybe not the rush, if your looking for more of that rush type feeling just take any basic stim pre-workout like Jack3d or Flashover with some Anabolic Ignite, it don't get better then that for pre-workout.
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I have never tried Ignite , but damn...2 to 2.5 scoops of craze? Damn I'm pretty stim tolerant and I only use 2 scoops when I just cant get outta bed for Squat day hahaha , you poked my interest...lets hope this 4th of july helps me get some good prices on this ;)!
 
AaronJP1 said:
Hemavol was a let down for me & the old Intense didn't do it for me either.
Like the Protean though.
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I didn't get on with Hemavol at all. The profile looks solid but I just don't notice anything significant from it in comparison to a lot of other pre workouts.

Maximize V2 was strong though. I preferred using that without a shadow of a doubt.

JudgementDay said:
4 scoops of Anabolic Ignite from MuscleFeast + 1 scoop of Craze is where it's at:)
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I still haven't tried Anabolic Ignite. We don't get it over here as far as I am aware.
 
bdcc said:
I didn't get on with Hemavol at all. The profile looks solid but I just don't notice anything significant from it in comparison to a lot of other pre workouts.

Maximize V2 was strong though. I preferred using that without a shadow of a doubt.

I still haven't tried Anabolic Ignite. We don't get it over here as far as I am aware.
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You & me both when it comes to the hemavol.
 
I don't really understand it. I have been through a tub of it and various samples. I tried drinking more water as was advised. I was expecting painful pumps and didn't get them. A client of mine was the same.

The pump I got from MV2 felt almost as strong so it made more sense I used that on a value for money basis.
 
bdcc said:
I don't really understand it. I have been through a tub of it and various samples. I tried drinking more water as was advised. I was expecting painful pumps and didn't get them. A client of mine was the same.

The pump I got from MV2 felt almost as strong so it made more sense I used that on a value for money basis.
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I've had good pumps on 1MR & the OG Assualt a year ago that's it & when I can get the timing right on yok3d as well.
 
Nitrates are my favourite pump ingredients. Not sure on creatine vs arginine yet or if it has made any difference.

I am waiting for mine to arrive in the post so tried a double dose of DPol earlier- the dosage still didn't work out to be enough to use it pre workout lol.
 
AaronJP1 said:
I've had good pumps on 1MR & the OG Assualt a year ago that's it & when I can get the timing right on yok3d as well.
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Honest to god Y3D is such a hit and miss for me! I had 5 bottles as a gift from my cousin (he is the one who first taught me some lifts) and I had such a hard time getting the pumps...but when I timed it right , Y3D+J3D loads of water and carbs DAMN...then again I get sicker pumps atm with SNS Citrulline Malate+ SS Agmatine + Carbs/water :p!

I gotta say the MV2 does get me going and I like it a lot...as for assault meh...no comment there...
 
Celorza said:
Honest to god Y3D is such a hit and miss for me! I had 5 bottles as a gift from my cousin (he is the one who first taught me some lifts) and I had such a hard time getting the pumps...but when I timed it right , Y3D+J3D loads of water and carbs DAMN...then again I get sicker pumps atm with SNS Citrulline Malate+ SS Agmatine + Carbs/water :p!

I gotta say the MV2 does get me going and I like it a lot...as for assault meh...no comment there...
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Sent you a pm. ;)

bdcc said:
Nitrates are my favourite pump ingredients. Not sure on creatine vs arginine yet or if it has made any difference.

I am waiting for mine to arrive in the post so tried a double dose of DPol earlier- the dosage still didn't work out to be enough to use it pre workout lol.
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Yeah, d-pol builds pumps over time....
You ever tried Animal Pump?
 
Never tried Animal Pump, no.
 
bdcc said:
Never tried Animal Pump, no.
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Seems under-dosed, I like to stack it though... Seems to come trough for me. I was so excited for shock therapy and it sucked :(
 
schroedes said:
Not trying to turn anyone away from it. Just giving my experience with it. Maybe orange wasn't the best flavor either. Anyways ,nice discussion fellas
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schroedes I agree, orange tasted horrible. not as bad as some other orange pwos, but pretty damn bad.
 
This thread TL;DR

But seriously MM>Monster Pump > Assault.

OP's reaction to MM could be taking in too much stims at once. If you still have more samples, try taking 1/2 or 3/4 of the packet and see how you react...
 
schroedes said:
What is that geranium oil anyways? Just a natural stimulant?
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It's not natural. It's 1,3. Just a different name. There's an article on it in the article section.
 
schroedes said:
Not trying to turn anyone away from it. Just giving my experience with it. Maybe orange wasn't the best flavor either. Anyways ,nice discussion fellas
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I've considered MM the best preWO bar none for years now*, and I've tried almost all the garbage pushed on the internet (seriously, the only one I haven't yet is Craze). With that said, I will say that the orange flavored MM, quite frankly, tastes like hot birdshìt on cement. Try the Mixed fruit or whatever it's called, it's amazing. Cherry Limeade was pretty good when it came out, too, but the mixed fruit truly masks the EAAs.

*in terms of dollar per serving.
 
Torobestia said:
I've considered MM the best preWO bar none for years now, and I've tried almost all the garbage pushed on the internet (seriously, the only one I haven't yet is Craze). With that said, I will say that the orange flavored MM, quite frankly, tastes like hot birdshìt on cement. Try the Mixed fruit or whatever it's called, it's amazing. Cherry Limeade was pretty good when it came out, too, but the mixed fruit truly masks the EAAs.
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Repped.
 
I just got a hold of some MM. As for taste, not so great, but I am not sippin on supps like I would for a nice brew. Down them and get to the f**king gym. As for jitters and energy, well unfortunately after years of adderall for studying in college I have a rather high tolerance to stims so my purpose for prewo supps is the formual to help build muscle. So far I enjoy MM. The formula is amazing, lots a creatine, electrolytes, bcaa..etc...I would say basically everything you'd want to have circulating in your system during a work out. I am going to have to give it a thumbs up.
 
technique88 said:
I just got a hold of some MM. As for taste, not so great, but I am not sippin on supps like I would for a nice brew. Down them and get to the f**king gym. As for jitters and energy, well unfortunately after years of adderall for studying in college I have a rather high tolerance to stims so my purpose for prewo supps is the formual to help build muscle. So far I enjoy MM. The formula is amazing, lots a creatine, electrolytes, bcaa..etc...I would say basically everything you'd want to have circulating in your system during a work out. I am going to have to give it a thumbs up.
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Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
 
Torobestia said:
I've considered MM the best preWO bar none for years now*, and I've tried almost all the garbage pushed on the internet (seriously, the only one I haven't yet is Craze). With that said, I will say that the orange flavored MM, quite frankly, tastes like hot birdshìt on cement. Try the Mixed fruit or whatever it's called, it's amazing. Cherry Limeade was pretty good when it came out, too, but the mixed fruit truly masks the EAAs.

*in terms of dollar per serving.
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Lol, that's about right
 
bdcc said:
Nitrates are my favourite pump ingredients. Not sure on creatine vs arginine yet or if it has made any difference.

I am waiting for mine to arrive in the post so tried a double dose of DPol earlier- the dosage still didn't work out to be enough to use it pre workout lol.
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I would be curious how GlycoMyx treats you in the pump department. I haven't torn into my tub yet (so much other stuff to get through first), but feedback is pretty promising in regards to the pump.
 
How come no1 is feeling assault? The v1 was legit, heard 2 sucked, not sure on v3....
 
Didn't the old Assault have Suma Root? They changed it out in the new formulation, and I seem to remember Rosie saying that was the part of their formulation she liked the most.

I guess for PWOs people are either looking for a physique-enhancing blend (pump), motivation/focus (stims), or a middle ground of the two.

MM has been on my radar but I've never pulled the trigger because of a high creatine content (I bloat easy) and high stim level. Maybe if I did a half scoop it would work, but I have a couple PWOs in my arsenal that I enjoy, and failing them, enough bulk powders of the PWO ingredients to get me through.
 
AaronJP1 said:
How come no1 is feeling assault? The v1 was legit, heard 2 sucked, not sure on v3....
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There are actually quite a few people on here that enjoy assault. I for one like it. Its just like anything else - one person didn't like it and their following says the same : )

Still gotta try that marinade. I think I have a few samples.: )

Jim2542 said:
I'd always heard good things about assault before I got on here.
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Its decent if you can pick it up at a good price.

D3Baseball said:
Assault is not a good product and is one of the worst values available. Shows you the power of marketing.
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That's ridiculous! Power of marketing has nothing to do with the pumps it gave me or the effects I had during workout. Different things work for different people plain and simple.
 
Only knock on muscle marinade's ingredient profile is the 1g of Vitamin C! 500mg is the average saturation level, and Dr. Dana Houser pleads that people discontinue supps with greater than 500mg doses per serving.

The vaunted Mr. Cooper is always busting people for using Vitamin C too close to training!

Also, what's up with the Cyanocobalamin B12.....

Otherwise I love the profile and its just that vitamin C that has kept me from pulling the trigger.

Edit: If you like Muscle Marinade that's fine, but I don't get the Assault hate bandwagon up in here.

If you have problems with Creapure, CitMal, Carnosyn Beta Alanine, Methylcobalamin in fully disclosed amounts then I don't know what to tell you. Taurine, Dimethylglycine (like the TMG you find in MM with one less methyl group to donate), Rhodiola, Tyrosine and MCTs are ingredients that a lot of people seem to like. Maybe Astragin and Cinnulin are on par with Bioperine for the intended ingredients here, I dunno I haven't read studies. They could add more clinically backed ingredients, but it doesn't include anything that i know of like Vit C which you should apparently avoid periworkout.

FYI, I wish prop blends went the way of the dinosaur too, but Assault is a big scoop of mostly studied ingredients just like MM. IMO that is almost always better than a concentrated formula of DMAA or other stims.
 
I have to be the dark horse here and say Assault is good stuff. I cant handle MM or other super stims... Assault has a good igredient profile and the right amount of stims for ME... and for some others who dont want to feel overstimmed. It's also very inexpensive so whomever said it was costly doesnt know where to shop.

As for the proprietary, yes, that's a bummer but speak to the right rep and they can give you the breakdown - which is actually a good ratio (effective )of each ingredient.

flame suit on.
 
StangBanger said:
I have to be the dark horse here and say Assault is good stuff. I cant handle MM or other super stims... Assault has a good igredient profile and the right amount of stims for ME... and for some others who dont want to feel overstimmed. It's also very inexpensive so whomever said it was costly doesnt know where to shop.

As for the proprietary, yes, that's a bummer but speak to the right rep and they can give you the breakdown - which is actually a good ratio (effective )of each ingredient.

flame suit on.
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You're not the dark horse others are out there. They're just afraid of saying something that isn't a popular belief on AM. Its easier to agree with everyone than to have your own opinion and have internet buds dislike you for it lol.

However, THIS is a MM thread and I haven't really seen much negative on it, so I'll have to try it! That's the only way to know if something works or doesn't after all : )
 
I did enjoy Assault. Profile was pretty decent. I did have a small dip in performance which at the time might as well been partially attributed to not having the level of stims MM did. This is the Suma Root version. I tried the new version, and it was just like drinking dust. MM has betaine, while any version of Assault does not, which I assume is another big contributor, and citrulline malate doesnt do anything for me.
 
Have you ever tried Alpha Rage by Muscle Gauge Nutrition? It's an advanced formula pre-workout that I've had great results with it.
 
1 sample is not a accurate way of determining a product , maybe taste wise but effectiveness not so sure. Ingredients in MM help in different areas it's not really just a straight stim product.
 
roblasane said:
1 sample is not a accurate way of determining a product , maybe taste wise but effectiveness not so sure. Ingredients in MM help in different areas it's not really just a straight stim product.
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Very true.
 
Geoforce said:
I would be curious how GlycoMyx treats you in the pump department. I haven't torn into my tub yet (so much other stuff to get through first), but feedback is pretty promising in regards to the pump.
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I was one of the people asking about it's gluten free status upon release. It is not available in the UK yet.

I will see if Blake can send me one with his next love letter.
 
Celorza said:
Why can't I just neg you until you are red? Oh wait you still are kiddo...go back to the rock you crawled out of...and pick up a book while at it, knowledge is something you clearly lack...Don't mess with the Marinade >:3!!
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Yes my ignorance is blinding. It appears your knowledge of placebos clearly gives your advantage in the jacked and desirable stakes :lol:
 
bdcc said:
I was one of the people asking about it's gluten free status upon release. It is not available in the UK yet.

I will see if Blake can send me one with his next love letter.
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I think a certain company that tends to eat others is getting a shipment of our goods soon for the overseas crew.

Blake is notorious for ignoring restraining orders.
 
Captn_the said:
Yes my ignorance is blinding. It appears your knowledge of placebos clearly gives your advantage in the jacked and desirable stakes :lol:
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howwedo107 said:
Hmm
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This guy cracked me up there haha...Sorry for knowing nutrition profiling and supplement interactions, forgive me for being HIGHLY stim tolerant and being able to make the educated assumption it is a good product, that even though it lacks much content of many pre workout formulas, this can be added to perfect it, and yet the ingredients it poses are proven solid ingredients anyhow :) Hahaha oh god...
 
schroedes said:
anyone know any info on the new purus pw?? ingredient profile?
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It will be released soon.
 
Celorza said:
This guy cracked me up there haha...Sorry for knowing nutrition profiling and supplement interactions, forgive me for being HIGHLY stim tolerant and being able to make the educated assumption it is a good product, that even though it lacks much content of many pre workout formulas, this can be added to perfect it, and yet the ingredients it poses are proven solid ingredients anyhow :) Hahaha oh god...
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Nutrition is king, we can agree on that. But I get the impression that you seriously believe 90% of the ingredients in some of these products make a measurable difference.

You ever cycled son? And I don't mean the 2-wheeled version ;)
 
bdcc said:
Nitrates are my favourite pump ingredients. Not sure on creatine vs arginine yet or if it has made any difference.

I am waiting for mine to arrive in the post so tried a double dose of DPol earlier- the dosage still didn't work out to be enough to use it pre workout lol.
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Our new Preworkout ConDense contains nitrates. It's obvious haha
 
Torobestia said:
I've considered MM the best preWO bar none for years now*, and I've tried almost all the garbage pushed on the internet (seriously, the only one I haven't yet is Craze). With that said, I will say that the orange flavored MM, quite frankly, tastes like hot birdshìt on cement. Try the Mixed fruit or whatever it's called, it's amazing. Cherry Limeade was pretty good when it came out, too, but the mixed fruit truly masks the EAAs.

*in terms of dollar per serving.
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There is no orange flavor........

The older Purus Punch kinda was more orangey though.

Fresh Fruit kicks all the other flavors asses.
 
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