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Day 18: Back/Biceps

I've dropped the dosage down to 20mg since day 15 in anticipation of the M-drol. The M-drol should be here tomorrow, I will begin taking it on sunday as I am going out of town for the weekend and do not want to start something without all my support supplements on hand in case of adverse reactions.

I have been feeling really run down and tired...maybe this is lethargy? Just no energy, even with 2 caffeine pills before the workout. Normally Id be bouncing off the walls...and I've been keeping my carbs up pretty high.

Strength was pretty consistent with last weeks Back/Bi workout.

Today I had a little bit more of a pump then usual for the amount I was pushing myself. My back really felt full and unusually hard and my arms were pretty full. It could be from the additional carbs pre-workout or maybe the p-plex is barely starting to work.

Weight: Morning 181 and post workout 183.7 (up 1-2lbs), The stretch marks on my arms are getting noticeably larger. Maybe this stuff is beginning to work slightly.



Last weeks pics for more current reference in preperation of the superdrol
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monsterbox said:
I've dropped the dosage down to 20mg since day 15 in anticipation of the M-drol. The M-drol should be here tomorrow, I will begin taking it on sunday as I am going out of town for the weekend and do not want to start something without all my support supplements on hand in case of adverse reactions.

I have been feeling really run down and tired...maybe this is lethargy? Just no energy, even with 2 caffeine pills before the workout. Normally Id be bouncing off the walls...and I've been keeping my carbs up pretty high.

Strength was pretty consistent with last weeks Back/Bi workout.

Today I had a little bit more of a pump then usual for the amount I was pushing myself. My back really felt full and unusually hard and my arms were pretty full. It could be from the additional carbs pre-workout or maybe the p-plex is barely starting to work.

Weight: Morning 181 and post workout 183.7 (up 1-2lbs), The stretch marks on my arms are getting noticeably larger. Maybe this stuff is beginning to work slightly.
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i think i remember telling you i've had cycles that have taking approx 3 weeks
to kick in and ones that kicked in in like 3 days same compound same bottle
 
I have the same batch of p-plex as you, been running it at 30mg and I've been on for 6 days, haven't weighed myself yet but my strength is definitely up, previously was able to put up 405 on deadlift for a set of 5 and today was able to do 9 in a straight set, also bb rowed 225 for 3 sets of 8 and I had previously been rowing 175, other exercises were up too but these were the most dramatic for only 1 weeks time.
 
Bfaber said:
I have the same batch of p-plex as you, been running it at 30mg and I've been on for 6 days, haven't weighed myself yet but my strength is definitely up, previously was able to put up 405 on deadlift for a set of 5 and today was able to do 9 in a straight set, also bb rowed 225 for 3 sets of 8 and I had previously been rowing 175, other exercises were up too but these were the most dramatic for only 1 weeks time.
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well my strength is definitely NOT up...its actually the same if not less, and endurance is way down from not being on creatine. I'm going to keep running 20mg until sunday, maybe Ill wait until monday to throw in SD just to be sure theres no GOD mode that kicks in on this pplex.




Mixedup, you may be correct but I honestly don't think its going to get much better than this at 18 days. Id rather be on creatine as of now.
 
No way phera adds 50 pounds to your rows in 6 days.
 
monsterbox said:
I thought anadrol put on more mass in shorter time than SD and was more toxic.
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Oh yeah, its put a ton of water weight on you and its pretty toxic, very good for strength gains but bad sides like lethargy. Gains from SD are leaner. What I meant here is that SD is rougher on your body than Anadrol, by how much I dont know.
 
monsterbox said:
I've dropped the dosage down to 20mg since day 15 in anticipation of the M-drol. The M-drol should be here tomorrow, I will begin taking it on sunday as I am going out of town for the weekend and do not want to start something without all my support supplements on hand in case of adverse reactions.

I have been feeling really run down and tired...maybe this is lethargy? Just no energy, even with 2 caffeine pills before the workout. Normally Id be bouncing off the walls...and I've been keeping my carbs up pretty high.

Strength was pretty consistent with last weeks Back/Bi workout.

Today I had a little bit more of a pump then usual for the amount I was pushing myself. My back really felt full and unusually hard and my arms were pretty full. It could be from the additional carbs pre-workout or maybe the p-plex is barely starting to work.

Weight: Morning 181 and post workout 183.7 (up 1-2lbs), The stretch marks on my arms are getting noticeably larger. Maybe this stuff is beginning to work slightly.



Last weeks pics for more current reference in preperation of the superdrol
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Your looking good man, keep it up!
 
mj34 said:
Oh yeah, its put a ton of water weight on you and its pretty toxic, very good for strength gains but bad sides like lethargy. Gains from SD are leaner. What I meant here is that SD is rougher on your body than Anadrol, by how much I dont know.
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y run anadrol when u could run d bol. and dbol wont make u feel like tub of sh!t.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Anadrol is usually associated with greater water retention than SD though, that's a lot of the "mass."

Toxicity between the two is difficult to compare. I've heard of Anadrol being run for 10 weeks. I don't think you should do that with Superdrol. Some people say Anadrol is toxic just because it makes them feel bloated, lethargic, and never hungry. But a lot of people get those same things on SD clones too.
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Damn 10 weeks **** no! Max 6 weeks and I think that is pushing it. Start@50mgsED and then bump to 100mgsED
 
i dont understand why you are dropping down the phera dose? makes no sense. keep it going at the same dose or go higher dont drop it down you dont even have the superdrol in hand yet!
 
well im down right 9-10 and look retty more ripped id have to say. I guess that would mean i am a lower body fat %. but the damn things you hold inyour hands arent very accurate appearantly.
 
yes the electronic ones can vary greatly just by how much water is in your body. check it before you do cardio and then after. you'll laugh at the difference. i always check right when i wake up .

anyway..monsterbox..any news? your a little over 3 weeks in correct?
 
lciaccio said:
yes the electronic ones can vary greatly just by how much water is in your body. check it before you do cardio and then after. you'll laugh at the difference. i always check right when i wake up .

anyway..monsterbox..any news? your a little over 3 weeks in correct?
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going to get a pinch test done soon by a trainer. I was pretty bloated from carbs the day I took those photos.

Anyhow,

I've been on 20mg/day...why did I lower the dose? because 20, 30, and 50 make absolutely no difference, so why take a higher dose if perhaps this stuff is actually shutting me down with no strength/weight benefits?

I'm starting the M-drol tommorrow, its in my condominium's office, ill pick it up tomorrow morning.

I guess Ill start at 10mg? Does it make a difference if its pre-workout, or just when I wake up? Maybe I should just jump right into 20mg considering how poorly the pplex works.


Summary of the Past Week:
No sides, flucuating weight (due to increase in carbs on workout days), Once again no significant increases in strength, pumps, aggression, mood, lethargy, or anything related to the purpose of pheraplex.

Weight today: 181.5lbs

So as of now, I've maintained the same weight, if not lost 1-2lbs of water since starting p-plex and this is start of week 3. Don't think its going to get any better.
 
Don't dose M-Drol too high because of your P-Plex experience. M-drol is pretty hard core and you will gain on it.

I hope that M-Drol goes better for you.

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well if it were to show itself late then now you really wont know since you lowered the dose but whatever do as you wish. Personally i would be running 60mg of the phera by now and if no sides or gains then at least you know for sure it was bunk and not nonresponder. I doubt a non responder would non respond to 60mg of phera.
 
monsterbox said:
I guess Ill start at 10mg? Does it make a difference if its pre-workout, or just when I wake up? Maybe I should just jump right into 20mg considering how poorly the pplex works.


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You can't just jump up to 20mg on sdrol just because you didn't respond to plex it's a totally different compound. take the same precautions.
 
mixedup said:
You can't just jump up to 20mg on sdrol just because you didn't respond to plex it's a totally different compound. take the same precautions.
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I will start at 10mg exactly 2hrs pre-workout with a decently fattening/high carb/high protein meal.
 
First day of M-Drol

partyman43 said:
Mopar2222....you are exactly right. You should start dosing P-plex at 30mgs. for the first week and then run it for 3 more weeks at 30,40,40:bigeyes2:
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First few days I ran 20, then I ran 30...I just recently in the past week dropped to 20 because NOTHING is happening. 30/40/50/60/70mg will no make a difference at all.


Took first pill of M-drol this morning, about an hour later I felt a warming sensation in my upper body, my eye lids felt kind of blood rushed. Hopefully something is going on now~!

All the pills are filled to the top unlike the p-plex that are 75% filled.
 
monsterbox said:
First few days I ran 20, then I ran 30...I just recently in the past week dropped to 20 because NOTHING is happening. 30/40/50/60/70mg will no make a difference at all.


Took first pill of M-drol this morning, about an hour later I felt a warming sensation in my upper body, my eye lids felt kind of blood rushed. Hopefully something is going on now~!

All the pills are filled to the top unlike the p-plex that are 75% filled.
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Sorry brother...just wondering if anybody has gotten on CEL's forum and let them know about this. I have 2 bottles of P-Plex(same date and lot #s) that I was going to run. Guess I am not going to know.
 
partyman43 said:
Sorry brother...just wondering if anybody has gotten on CEL's forum and let them know about this. I have 2 bottles of P-Plex(same date and lot #s) that I was going to run. Guess I am not going to know.
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I did and a rep told me that the batch was tested to 100% purity.

Still seems strange that even if I was a non-responder, my blood pressure wouldn't rise even a tiny bit at 50mg!:34:
 
First Day M-Drol Workout

repmks said:
you should ask about that. if both caps are 10mg caps wtf? could explain some stuff.
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well I mean 10mg of a compound isn't going to fill an entire cap by any means...those caps are like 250mg size caps. Either they are cutting short on the filler material or they are actually cutting short on both the compound and filler in the caps.

On the SD, all the caps are packed completely full.

Not to say that this would make much difference, but the P-Plex smells like Lysol...nothing like any supplement I've ever smelled.

M-Drol smells kind of like hard boiled eggs, and my havoc bottle smells the same.


and for all the people saying I should have ran 50/60mg or stayed at 30mg.....one should at least notice something at 20mg or even 10mg, slight pump, slight fullness, glycogen storage...etc, why should it take 5-6 pills to notice any effects at all when this is one of the strongest pro-steroids on the market.

This solidifies the fact that I"m either a non-responder or its a bad compound once again.


Chest workout was pretty decent. Strength wasn't up at all, but endurance was better than usual. My pump was slightly more intense than its been the past few weeks, but its probably more placebo.

Weight - 182.5lbs, getting BF 3 point pinch test tommorrow by a trainer.
 
monsterbox said:
well I mean 10mg of a compound isn't going to fill an entire cap by any means...those caps are like 250mg size caps. Either they are cutting short on the filler material or they are actually cutting short on both the compound and filler in the caps.

On the SD, all the caps are packed completely full.

Not to say that this would make much difference, but the P-Plex smells like Lysol...nothing like any supplement I've ever smelled.

M-Drol smells kind of like hard boiled eggs, and my havoc bottle smells the same.


and for all the people saying I should have ran 50/60mg or stayed at 30mg.....one should at least notice something at 20mg or even 10mg, slight pump, slight fullness, glycogen storage...etc, why should it take 5-6 pills to notice any effects at all when this is one of the strongest pro-steroids on the market.

This solidifies the fact that I"m either a non-responder or its a bad compound once again.


Chest workout was pretty decent. Strength wasn't up at all, but endurance was better than usual. My pump was slightly more intense than its been the past few weeks, but its probably more placebo.

Weight - 182.5lbs, getting BF 3 point pinch test tommorrow by a trainer.
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I disagree with the fact that 10 mgs. of anything will always have an effect....lots of times it only acts as the intitial ramping up of the compound you are running....a starter dosage...so to speak.
 
partyman43 said:
I disagree with the fact that 10 mgs. of anything will always have an effect....lots of times it only acts as the intitial ramping up of the compound you are running....a starter dosage...so to speak.
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dude what are you talking about .. u disagree that ten mgs of anything will have an effect.. first off have u ever heard of superdrol.. ppl on this forum make gains off 5mg.... second tho this has nothing to do with bb... have u ever heard of LSD.. i would love to see you take 10mgs and tell me it does nothing.. many drugs are measured in micrograms!!

you can not generalize like that!!
 
partyman43 said:
I disagree with the fact that 10 mgs. of anything will always have an effect....lots of times it only acts as the intitial ramping up of the compound you are running....a starter dosage...so to speak.
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well not in my methyl experience, maybe in the non-methyl world.

I noticed slight pumps/headaches/tingles on my very first cycle of Havoc at a mere 10mg/day by day 4.

I just don't see how a compound thats MUCH more androgenic, wet, made for bulking on weight (pheraplex) wouldn't show any effects at 10, 20 or even 30mg/day for 3 weeks.
 
Possible problem here guys may abort cycle

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I've always noticed that my left testicle is slightly less full compared to my right and hangs a bit lower. Its never really bothered me or crossed my mind.


I came across a thread out of curiosity today entitled Varicocele Affects Testosterone?


I then decided to look up Varicocele....I have a small bundle of cordy veins that are painless/tenderless thats above my left testicle, the one that is slightly smaller and hangs lower.

I noticed during PCT with havoc the first time around, that only my left testicle had shruken during cycle, and lagged behind a good bit in returning....it actually took a month after pct to return to full size (could be in my head).


Then things starting clicking....I'm past my teen years and still do not have a thick beard like the rest of my family. I also have no chest hairs at all.

Then more things started clicking.....why did havoc work so incredibily unheard of well....??? Probably because this thing may have caused low T levels and even tho I trained hard I didn't go anywhere....havoc was like a huge door opening.


Now i'm thinking, is it unsafe to continue with such a harsh prohormone that WILL cause shrinkage if I have a painless varicocele?? Wouldn't this cause PCT/Recovery to be quite difficult. Maybe this is why I have reached this "wall".
 
dude are you sure its just not the epidimis??
if you pct was legit then im sure your t levels went back to normal.. you have just put so much mass on your frame that your probably not gonna grow alot for a few years.. you will gain density and strength tho..
in 2 years i went from 158 to about 185-190 ... i didnt grow for two years basically.. i didnt use any AAS or any bullshit like that.. but its the same concept..granted my weighr flucuated alot tho.. it depends on the workouts.. creatine.. preworkout supp.. i would flucuate about 5 pounds here and there.. but my muscles became harder and stronger.. i began really growing again after going on a massive cut.. getting down real low in body fat.. i dropped to about 185.. but i was stronger and harder then i was when i weighed more.. from there i just began putting on weight once again.. granted i realized how much my metabolism changed and shortened my workouts.. through this whole process

moral is .. dont be scared if you dont grow.. honestly keep training and you will see changes in your body .. the scale does not dictate my intensity in the gym
 
bigzach1234 said:
dude are you sure its just not the epidimis??
if you pct was legit then im sure your t levels went back to normal.. you have just put so much mass on your frame that your probably not gonna grow alot for a few years.. you will gain density and strength tho..
in 2 years i went from 158 to about 185-190 ... i didnt grow for two years basically.. i didnt use any AAS or any bullshit like that.. but its the same concept..granted my weighr flucuated alot tho.. it depends on the workouts.. creatine.. preworkout supp.. i would flucuate about 5 pounds here and there.. but my muscles became harder and stronger.. i began really growing again after going on a massive cut.. getting down real low in body fat.. i dropped to about 185.. but i was stronger and harder then i was when i weighed more.. from there i just began putting on weight once again.. granted i realized how much my metabolism changed and shortened my workouts.. through this whole process

moral is .. dont be scared if you dont grow.. honestly keep training and you will see changes in your body .. the scale does not dictate my intensity in the gym
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I understand the whole reaching a wall because your body isn't ready to grow.

Im just a bit un-nerved after reading this long thread on AM about varicocele.

I think I honestly may have a varicocele...its like I can feel this little tiny bundle of cords (which are veins) above my left testicle...and my left testicle has always been slightly smaller then my right. It also took longer to come back to fullness after my first havoc run, but then again its always been smaller.

On the right side, I feel 1 or 2 of these little veins but not like clumped pack of them above the testicle. I may just have a mild varicocele which is pretty damn common. It doesn't cause any pain, but it can cause atrophy to occur over time and lower sperm count/testosterone significantly. I just don't know if I should continue w/ SD until I get this checked out. I"m going to schedule an appointment tomorrow.

I mean is it bad to run hormones with a varicocele of any degree...seems like it could hinder recovery?
 
how bout this why dont you stop all this crybaby sh1t and stop the cycle then? Im sorry but all ive seen from you on this forum is alot of wah wah wah. Sounds like you are way to fkkn paranoid about sh1t, if you worry about sh1t that much then cut out the complications... in this case the cycle, the pplex, all that. Run a natty test booster stack of some sort and get your sh1t together and comeback again, either that or stop the paranoia, im sure i speak for alot of people but its a lil irritating at this point.
 
pistonpump said:
how bout this why dont you stop all this crybaby sh1t and stop the cycle then? Im sorry but all ive seen from you on this forum is alot of wah wah wah. Sounds like you are way to fkkn paranoid about sh1t, if you worry about sh1t that much then cut out the complications... in this case the cycle, the pplex, all that. Run a natty test booster stack of some sort and get your sh1t together and comeback again, either that or stop the paranoia, im sure i speak for alot of people but its a lil irritating at this point.
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well then,

Im going to stop cycle and start Reversitol until I get this checked out. If it turns out to be what I think, ill get a full blood panel done and come back when the time is right.


sorry to let you guys down.
 
bigzach1234 said:
dude what are you talking about .. u disagree that ten mgs of anything will have an effect.. first off have u ever heard of superdrol.. ppl on this forum make gains off 5mg.... second tho this has nothing to do with bb... have u ever heard of LSD.. i would love to see you take 10mgs and tell me it does nothing.. many drugs are measured in micrograms!!

you can not generalize like that!!
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Whoooo easy there little zach(oops my fault). Anyway you are right...10 mgs. does work on some PH(SD included), however it also does depend on the supplement and the length of time you dose it.
 
i didnt want to come off like a complete ******* i was trying to help. Idk the tests may be skewed if the phera suppressed at all (which i doubt) You may also have higher test readings if you test while on reversitol.

One thing i remember my health teacher in h.s. said was "dont be alarmed and think you are different but for some reason, and dont ask me why, but it is normal for one testicle to be smaller and hang lower than the other. For some reason majority of males left testicle hangs lower" I sh1t you not this is what he said and i was thinking damn how did he know lol. Totally relaxed and hanging my left hangs lower, since we are sharing testicle facts. I also shaved my testicles today :thumbsup: if anyone needs a teabaggin lmk.
 
well. for the record, I've felt pumped all day, and I've been getting hard/loosing water around my muscles/feeling really warm, tingly, and slightly axious. I know that this M-Drol is doing something as opposed to the P-plex.

Hate to pull the plug, but I really need to check out this testicle deal. I haven't had a physical in 6 years. I'm scheduling appointment tomorrow...maybe it'll be okay to continue cycle. I just want to see what a doctor thinks about the degree of this. It is fairly common, I just didn't know about it until reading today! lol I do not mean to come across as hypochondriac or OCD. I just post alot of thoughts instead of holding them in...it helps me to go back and review for future cycles.
 
the reason they one is larger and is lower is for the reasons:... when you walk the two testes do not hit each other. pre-Med buddy. thats kinda a lame reason i know but appearantly what they are teaching is true.
 
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