The first couple of cycles, I only usesd 20 mg. for 4 weeks. The last 3 cycles I used 30 mg. per day but for only 3 weekers. I like the shorter and stronger cycles much better. Same results, but seems like less sides, because of less total time "on".5 Superdrol cycles ?
Have you gotten the same results with Superdrol every time you've used it, or has there been some diminishing results each time ?
Jason, Id stake my reputation as an elemental diety :hammer:that you would really like that cycle. And I mean REALLY like it!! I did a Methoxy TRN/TST combo at standard dose each plus 12 mg. of M-Dien everyday for 4 weeks in January. It was the best Feeling cycle I have ever done. Not as strong as super-drol mind you, but it "felt" better. No lethargy, no back pumps, nothing but good!!:wave:I think I'm gonna try this combo here to boost my strength.
Methoxy TST
M-TRN
MMv2
M-5aa
TST/TRN ran at standard dose every day
MMv2 ran at 3 caps/day all three before workouts on workout days
M-5aa pre workout only w/HEAT, Geranamine
Jason, Id stake my reputation as an elemental diety :hammer:that you would really like that cycle. And I mean REALLY like it!! I did a Methoxy TRN/TST combo at standard dose each plus 12 mg. of M-Dien everyday for 4 weeks in January. It was the best Feeling cycle I have ever done. Not as strong as super-drol mind you, but it "felt" better. No lethargy, no back pumps, nothing but good!!:wave:
Well, I never tried M1T, but I'll tell you that most all the threads I've read say M-Dien failed miserably to live up to it's supposed replacement for M1T. Most thought it would be as strong as M1T, but with less sides. But it was nowhere near as strong either. I can't give a fair assessment of my usage with it however. I tried it in a stack, so I don't really know its full effects as a standalone. I will say that stack was awesome!!:twisted: It was a first for me of all 3 compounds. The methoxy TRN and the TST plus the M-dien. I'm truly glad I made it up and used it as an experiment to myself. I've more stuff I've never used before lying in my drawer. Plus, I've got alot of the stuff I like. More TRN , TST, phera, super, M-Dien, MDHT. I've got a couple of bottles of epi and a couple of bottles of D-Bol, which I've never used before, so I'm in for more experimenting over the next 6 months!!!:fool2:thundergod-
What was your experience like with M-Dien ? This is probably one of the compounds that has the least amount of feedback.
Is this comparable to M1T ?
I've got alot of the same gear as you have. Great minds DO think alike. Sounds like you and me are in for some serious anabolic fun over the next year!!! Let the mad experiments begin!!:cheers:Well being as I have 5 TST, 4 TRN, 4 Mdien, and 4 M5aa I could do some serious experimenting. Plus a buttload of other bottles of Ph's/DS's.
Looks like you have quite the stash TG. You can always donate to the Hman foundation:cheers: J/k but seriouslyWell, I never tried M1T, but I'll tell you that most all the threads I've read say M-Dien failed miserably to live up to it's supposed replacement for M1T. Most thought it would be as strong as M1T, but with less sides. But it was nowhere near as strong either. I can't give a fair assessment of my usage with it however. I tried it in a stack, so I don't really know its full effects as a standalone. I will say that stack was awesome!!:twisted: It was a first for me of all 3 compounds. The methoxy TRN and the TST plus the M-dien. I'm truly glad I made it up and used it as an experiment to myself. I've more stuff I've never used before lying in my drawer. Plus, I've got alot of the stuff I like. More TRN , TST, phera, super, M-Dien, MDHT. I've got a couple of bottles of epi and a couple of bottles of D-Bol, which I've never used before, so I'm in for more experimenting over the next 6 months!!!:fool2:
As Smeagle (Gollum) would say,"No. They're me precious. I can't let them go. No, no, no..." LOL!!:twisted:Looks like you have quite the stash TG. You can always donate to the Hman foundation:cheers: J/k but seriously
LMAOAs Smeagle (Gollum) would say,"No. They're me precious. I can't let them go. No, no, no..." LOL!!:twisted:
Well, I was actually under the impression that neither caused very much muscle growth at all. More muscle-hardening and defining than anything else. That's why both are mostly used only pre-workout. They're only androgenic mostly. And they're almost always combined with an anabolic compound for muscle growth to occur. So, running a compound like superdrol and using either M-5AA, MDHT, or MMV2 for pre-workout focus and aggressiong seems to be our best option. Next cycle I go on, (looking like late MAY) I'm gonna combine some MDHT and MMV2 both pre-workout and get ready for a wild ride!! I wished I had some M-5AA, but cannot find it anywhere. And believe me, I've looked hard over the last few months. But I do have 2 bottles of Primaforce MethylRage (MDHT) that I will put to use. And of course, I'll be ordering some more MMV2 to go along with it!!:hammer:M5aa was better than MDHT. Most people found it superior and quite honestly it makes total sense. 3aHSD is overexpressed in the muscle, so it would make total sense to see M5aA do better than MDHT for muscle growth...
I think the combination of the two should really smoke... The enzyme competition should really help the stack.
MDHT, M5aA and 5aA should best be stacked with something wetter like maybe Methyl 1,4 or possibly Pheraplex.
lies.....I'm planning on a M 1,4, Halo, MMv2 stack down the road......:dl:
Toss in some of that precious M-5AA you got there Jason!! Make that stack really smoke!!:head: That stack sounds really good. You have the M1,4 ADD which converts to D-Bol. You have your Halo which either converts to, or is, the same as oral Turinabol. You have your old Androstane M-5AA which converts to MDHT. And you have the new-age Androstane MMV2 which is 2 steps from DHT, so I think you have synergy going on strong!! Either log this thing, or I'm gonna PM you to death in order to stay informed on the results of this one. I may try it out later in the year. I got practically all the same gear as you Jason. We can learn from each other's experiments. We're in for fun times ahead!!:cheers:I'm planning on a M 1,4, Halo, MMv2 stack down the road......:dl:
Any hints on what this cycle that is already set up is Poopy? You've pricked my curiosity. And as far as your next one goes, I think you would really enjoy the addition of MMV2 with it. This is the beginning of day 5 for me, and it's starting to kick like a 3-legged ninja!!:bruce2:lies.....
actually sounds good. I have to decide how Im going to use my bottle..... I have my most recent cycle already set and its already fairly comprehensive and set for max compound synergy.... but my next cycle after is still wide open for construction and I think MMV2 will be playing a big part in that one with all the great feedback.
I think the combination of the two should really smoke... The enzyme competition should really help the stack.
MDHT, M5aA and 5aA should best be stacked with something wetter like maybe Methyl 1,4 or possibly Pheraplex.
Toss in some of that precious M-5AA you got there Jason!! Make that stack really smoke!!:head: That stack sounds really good. You have the M1,4 ADD which converts to D-Bol. You have your Halo which either converts to, or is, the same as oral Turinabol. You have your old Androstane M-5AA which converts to MDHT. And you have the new-age Androstane MMV2 which is 2 steps from DHT, so I think you have synergy going on strong!! Either log this thing, or I'm gonna PM you to death in order to stay informed on the results of this one. I may try it out later in the year. I got practically all the same gear as you Jason. We can learn from each other's experiments. We're in for fun times ahead!!:cheers:
Good deal man. You will love that TRN/TST combo. You still might want to break out some of that M-5AA for this one too. And maybe also some of this MMV2. Good luck with it.I'll definately let you know. It may be awhile though till I run it. The TST/TRN is first, then thinking I'll pry try a 1T/4ad transdermal over the fall/winter. Might add some other goodies to that as I have to much just sitting around. That plan is still in the works.
I am actually a Johnny-come-lately to that area. I tried the andro's of the 90's during 97 and 98 and again in 2000. I used Twinlabs' Andro-Fuel and Pinnacle's Andro-Poppers. It wasn't until 2 years ago that I tried Phera first. Liked it alot. 6 months later I tried Super-Drol. To this day I haven't used anything better or stronger, YET!! I'm getting stronger as I get older it seems, and I'm loving life!!:hammer:thundergod-
you mentioned that you have been working out for 20+ years ? How long have you been in the designers game for ?
Hey, I really want to say THANKS!! This stuff is really starting to work now. What a pump. And the veins are bulging!! I'm feeling good!! Form the heart of the Thundergod---:box:I think the combination of the two should really smoke... The enzyme competition should really help the stack.
MDHT, M5aA and 5aA should best be stacked with something wetter like maybe Methyl 1,4 or possibly Pheraplex.
Well, I'm planning something in my next stack very much like the M1,4ADD you guys are speaking of. Mine is the old D-Bol!! I got them for "research" reasons for my gerbil, but the damn thing doesn't seem to like them. So, I guess I'll have to dispose of them in a "proper" way.:food: In that stack will also be some superdrol and a little epi, should be the bomb. Pre-workout fire-power will include a combo of MDHT and MMV2!! And I WILL log it!! You can officially call me---:fool2: CRAZY!!!
Any hints on what this cycle that is already set up is Poopy? You've pricked my curiosity. And as far as your next one goes, I think you would really enjoy the addition of MMV2 with it. This is the beginning of day 5 for me, and it's starting to kick like a 3-legged ninja!!:bruce2:
Well, I've never even tried the D-bol before. So, it's not really a needle phobia as much as I've never tried any "illegal" compounds before. I'm 44 years old now and it's hard to get the old dog to try new tricks. But then again, I never tried designers until 2 years ago. So that needle may be looming ahead of me in the near future. I really don't mind it. That route is actually much healthier and safer than the oral designers route anyway. I have definately used the all-natural way to its fullest extent. This way was better than a lot of youngsters are doing today. Working out 6 months (or less) and wanting to jump on the AAS train!! Now that sounds:fool2: to me!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:Thunder your a nut brother:fool2:! As Sick of a stack as that sounds like, it's starting to seem you may (or may not lol) have a serious needle phobia? Why not just pin some cyp and front load the d-bol, old school styles?:cheers:
That looks very well-planned indeed Poop-Master P!! You probably WILL need that Adex if you don't use the prostan. That phera is gonna cause some bloat. It does with me at least. I've never used 4-AD before either, but from what I've read, it will cause some bloatage as well. So that Adex is starting to look better all the time!! It's a small dosage EOD, so I would include it myself. After you get to the TRN part of the cycle, now the TRN is very dry in my experience. And great for strength! Have fun with that one Poopy!!--------4-AD-------/---Phera-Plex---/----M-TRN----/-----ADEX---
1. 300mg (150mg x2)/----------------/--------------/--.25mg EOD
2. 300mg (150mg x2)/ 10mg (preW.O.)/--------------/--.25mg EOD
3. 300mg (150mg x2)/ 20mg (10mg x2)/--------------/--.25mg EOD
4. 400mg (200mg x2)/ 20mg (10mg x2)/--------------/--.25mg EOD
5. 400mg (200mg x2)/ 30mg (10mg x3)/ 1.5mg (prewo)/--.25mg EOD
6. 400mg (200mg x2)/----------------/ 3mg (1.5 x2) /---as needed
7. 400mg (200mg x2)/----------------/ 3mg (1.5 x2) /---as needed
8. 400mg (200mg x2)/----------------/ 4.5mg (1.5 x3)/--as needed
and then I was also planning on runnin prostan at 200mg for the first 5 weeks as well..... but I may go the MMV2 route instead and save the prostan or just save the mmv2 havnt decide yet.
and the 4-AD is in trans by the way and will prob be slightly over dosed then taht since I think I had more powder then what I accounted for in my mg/ml concotion so when I am dosing ~40mg I think Ill really be dosing ~50mg so thats like an extra 75mg or 150mg per day depending on the dose... should be DAMN nice.
also may not use the Adex at all depending on how well the prsotan keeps things hard and locks the est considering the nature of the DHT comounds.
Can't wait to start mine should be fun!
Very smooth texture and great chocolate taste!! It 's cool that it contains Betaine to increase thermogenesis, because I'm on a cut at this time. So it's perfect for this cycle. Thanks for everything you've guys have done. This is a real pleasure and joy to be part of this. This is day 6 and the MMV2 is kicked in big time! This is the second day of the Receptor which should really boost the efficacy of the MMV2's effects on me and my workouts. Everything that I have to report so far is of a very positive nature. Libido=Good Energy=Great Recovery=Good Strength=Great Also great focus, aggression, and drive for workouts. Skin's a little oily, a little acne, facial hair growing fast, and finger nails seem to be growing fast also. I love the androgenic effects so far!! 2 Thumbs way-up!!:thumbsup:Well, how do you like the protein so far?
Well, I've never even tried the D-bol before. So, it's not really a needle phobia as much as I've never tried any "illegal" compounds before. I'm 44 years old now and it's hard to get the old dog to try new tricks. But then again, I never tried designers until 2 years ago. So that needle may be looming ahead of me in the near future. I really don't mind it. That route is actually much healthier and safer than the oral designers route anyway. I have definately used the all-natural way to its fullest extent. This way was better than a lot of youngsters are doing today. Working out 6 months (or less) and wanting to jump on the AAS train!! Now that sounds:fool2: to me!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
If LG doesn't mind you saying, what exactly is in this new lipotropic protein? Sounds interestin, I remember when ALRI came out with some but I never got any as it was short lived and I had stocked up on dymatize whey.
Sorry Jason. I had it all typed up:type: and ready to send, when I saw 3clipseGT respond and say it's on the DL right now. I almost spilled it all Bro!! Sorry 3clipseGT, you almost didn't make it!! I can say it is delicious and mixes easily. It has a smooth texture and great chocolate taste:food:. I think everyone will like it. I can tell you with the name "Lipotropic" you know it supports fat metabolism and weight-loss. 2 thumbs up!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:If LG doesn't mind you saying, what exactly is in this new lipotropic protein? Sounds interestin, I remember when ALRI came out with some but I never got any as it was short lived and I had stocked up on dymatize whey.
Sorry Jason. I had it all typed up:type: and ready to send, when I saw 3clipseGT respond and say it's on the DL right now. I almost spilled it all Bro!! Sorry 3clipseGT, you almost didn't make it!! I can say it is delicious and mixes easily. It has a smooth texture and great chocolate taste:food:. I think everyone will like it. I can tell you with the name "Lipotropic" you know it supports fat metabolism and weight-loss. 2 thumbs up!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I would try and talk him down on it. You can find it on several British sites for $10 USD a bottle of 100. Good luck, they're all about out of it seemingly. I've been on the hunt for months to no avail:frustrate. But if I find more, I'll PM you and give you a hint. I have 2 bottles of Primaforce MethylRage (MDHT) a very good friend gave me, and it's great. I can't wait to mix my MMV2 and MDHT next go-around, should be a great combo!:twisted:! If you do manage to score those M-5AA from your friend, I think mixing those with MMV2 would be outta sight!! I agree that since they are expired, you'll need to up the dosage to account for the fact that they're probably 90% of their full-strength now. Good luck Reaper-X!!!:head:Thundergod-
Have you used m5aa and m-dht before ?
My friend has an old bottle of M5AA that still has 50 out of 100 caps left. It is expired and that old school shlt. Not to mention it has already been opened. I guess he took half the bottle, then said he didn't put on that much weight and tossed the rest of it in the closet. He'll sell me the 50 caps for $25.00. So that would be .50 cents a capsule (expired). I'd probably have to take a good 3-4 caps to get the full benefit.
Just curious on what your take is in it.
Maybe I'll try and buy it for cheaper than $25.
You were right about this being better than MDHT dude. It took well into my second week of MDHT to satart noticing that something was happening. I could "feel" MMV2 the first day, and it has only gotten better and more intense. This is the end of DAY 8 for me, and the pumps and vascularity are amazing!! It has had a distinct diuretic effect on me since day 1. I've been urinating a lot since starting the MMV2. It's drying me up and leaning me out nicely. Thanks LG!! You guys RULE!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:Hahah its all good my man!
Pretty sure il be giving this stuff a try. I need something to keep me gonig in my upcoming cut. Im still looking for that m5aa, not having much luck. Maybe il try some methyl rage............no wait i dont have any left lol...............just kidding.:whip:You were right about this being better than MDHT dude. It took well into my second week of MDHT to satart noticing that something was happening. I could "feel" MMV2 the first day, and it has only gotten better and more intense. This is the end of DAY 8 for me, and the pumps and vascularity are amazing!! It has had a distinct diuretic effect on me since day 1. I've been urinating a lot since starting the MMV2. It's drying me up and leaning me out nicely. Thanks LG!! You guys RULE!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
Yeah, they had to discontinue the MethylRage of course after the now infamous ban. I scored these from a friend in England. I'm afraid they're the "last of the mohicans"!! I dose them a little higher than normal dosage due to the fact that they've probably lost maybe 10% of their potency now. I have a friend that works in a pharmacy who told me they don't "go bad", they just lose about 10% potency after a couple of years past expiration date. Get those M-5AA (at a bargain) and you'll be happy you did!!:thumbsup:I had no idea PrimaForce used to be in the hormone game. It appears that the M-DHT PrimaForce made was manuf. back in '04 ? Does that mean those bottles you have expired back in '06 or '07 ? They are probably still good though.
I'm surprised, I had no idea primaforce made prohormones before.
You might really wanna try some of this MMV2 mate. I'm really liking it going into my ninth day tomorrow. I can really "feel" this stuff taking off now. I found a good price on it for $38.95 that comes with a free bottle of IGF-1 with it. Google it and you'll find it. Good luck on that M-5AA, seems to have disappeared from the face of the planet.:sad:Pretty sure il be giving this stuff a try. I need something to keep me gonig in my upcoming cut. Im still looking for that m5aa, not having much luck. Maybe il try some methyl rage............no wait i dont have any left lol...............just kidding.:whip: