MK-677

Danielgoodwin said:
No nothing else. Im struggling to sleep at night as well. All i want to do is sleep in the day. Been taking it for a week now
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I don't know what you are taking to try to help with sleep, but if you want a cheap sleep stack to try, I use:

1g GABA
1g Glycine
~100mg 5-HTP
~100mg L-Theanine
~300mg Valerian Root
~1.25mg Melatonin (I quarter a 5mg sub-lingual tab in a pill splitter)
ZMA

All that stuff is available in bulk, so it's cheap. Another cheap thing to do, is bring one cup of Milk to a boil and let it cool. The protein breaks down into peptides that have good data as far as sleep promotion. Or, for more money, you can find ready made Milk Peptides under the "Lactum" name, or just "Milk Peptides" from LEF.

The last ones are more money - Either Phosphytidyl Serine powder, or a Product called "Enerphos". Sadly the formula for "Seriphos" Phosphorylated Serine has been changed to a less effective version. The Milk and these combat Cortisol related waking/not getting to sleep.
 
Mk677 off for a week now....
Libido up.....
No proof no bloods just feelings.
I'm on cycle still.
Lgd and 4 andro and epiandro.
Still a fan of mk677. Huge fan.
Will start back up in 5 weeks for pct.
I think it's a libido weakener in me.
I have a sensitive libido on drugs.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I don't know what you are taking to try to help with sleep, but if you want a cheap sleep stack to try, I use:

1g GABA
1g Glycine
~100mg 5-HTP
~100mg L-Theanine
~300mg Valerian Root
~1.25mg Melatonin (I quarter a 5mg sub-lingual tab in a pill splitter)
ZMA

All that stuff is available in bulk, so it's cheap. Another cheap thing to do, is bring one cup of Milk to a boil and let it cool. The protein breaks down into peptides that have good data as far as sleep promotion. Or, for more money, you can find ready made Milk Peptides under the "Lactum" name, or just "Milk Peptides" from LEF.

The last ones are more money - Either Phosphytidyl Serine powder, or a Product called "Enerphos". Sadly the formula for "Seriphos" Phosphorylated Serine has been changed to a less effective version. The Milk and these combat Cortisol related waking/not getting to sleep.
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Thanks for the advice again. Had another **** sleep last night. Feel like death today. I have heard a lot if people using melatonin as a somastatin inhibitor with good results. Some people taking up to 12mg of melatonin. Only problem i have wih melatonin is shutting down my own production and making things worse
 
Danielgoodwin said:
Thanks for the advice again. Had another **** sleep last night. Feel like death today. I have heard a lot if people using melatonin as a somastatin inhibitor with good results. Some people taking up to 12mg of melatonin. Only problem i have wih melatonin is shutting down my own production and making things worse
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So cycle on and off, or do 5 days on 2 days off or something
 
Danielgoodwin said:
Thanks for the advice again. Had another **** sleep last night. Feel like death today. I have heard a lot if people using melatonin as a somastatin inhibitor with good results. Some people taking up to 12mg of melatonin. Only problem i have wih melatonin is shutting down my own production and making things worse
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As long as you make serotonin you will make melatonin. The bigger issues is desensitization.
 
Danielgoodwin said:
Thanks for the advice again. Had another **** sleep last night. Feel like death today. I have heard a lot if people using melatonin as a somastatin inhibitor with good results. Some people taking up to 12mg of melatonin. Only problem i have wih melatonin is shutting down my own production and making things worse
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12mg of M is insane IMO. MK does just fine on it's own. I take just 1mg for sleep, and long term M studies haven't shown any adverse outcomes (at low doses) that I can recall. Our bodies are exposed to M every evening for our entire lives (and it declines with age).
 
BamBam0319 said:
When I first started taking MK-677 over 6 months ago, I had about 2 weeks of lethargy but then it passed and it's been smooth sailing ever since. Some people don't even get lethargy at all.
This is one of those things where you'll just have to try it out and see how your body responds to it specifically. Maybe hold off until you have some time off from work or something where if you DO get lethargic, it won't affect your livelihood too severely.
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Hearing that the lethargy wears off after awhile makes me wonder if that's because the effectiveness is waning. If mk677 is still eliciting the same gh response, I would think the lethargy would still be present.
 
anabolix said:
Hearing that the lethargy wears off after awhile makes me wonder if that's because the effectiveness is waning. If mk677 is still eliciting the same gh response, I would think the lethargy would still be present.
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Or your body has adapted to the increase of gh
 
rtmilburn said:
Or your body has adapted to the increase of gh
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That's basically what I mean. Spiking your GH causes an increase in somatostatin, which inhibits GH release. I'm not sure when or how much this effects your GH pulses after 6 months, but I would assume that your body has adapted somewhat, thereby reducing the effectiveness of GH and in turn lessening lethargy. I don't have any data to back this up, but every time I hear someone say that after a given period of time the lethargy started improving, I have to wonder if thats because they have reached the point where MK is becoming less effective at eliciting GH release.
 
anabolix said:
That's basically what I mean. Spiking your GH causes an increase in somatostatin, which inhibits GH release. I'm not sure when or how much this effects your GH pulses after 6 months, but I would assume that your body has adapted somewhat, thereby reducing the effectiveness of GH and in turn lessening lethargy. I don't have any data to back this up, but every time I hear someone say that after a given period of time the lethargy started improving, I have to wonder if thats because they have reached the point where MK is becoming less effective at eliciting GH release.
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That's not what I was intending. I was saying the opposite. More like your body adapts to have higher gh instead of decreasing gh
 
rtmilburn said:
That's not what I was intending. I was saying the opposite. More like your body adapts to have higher gh instead of decreasing gh
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Oh ok. From my understanding i don't think that's how it works. You can't trick the body forever. There are too many feedback mechanisms. I know I've seen studies on mk showing the effect I'm describing also. I know that it does lose some of it's effect after awhile. What I don't know is when. My guess is that you are beginning to see a decrease in effect when you start losing the lethargy. It's still doing something, just most likely not as much as when you first started and we're noticing more lethargy.
 
anabolix said:
Oh ok. From my understanding i don't think that's how it works. You can't trick the body forever. There are too many feedback mechanisms. I know I've seen studies on mk showing the effect I'm describing also. I know that it does lose some of it's effect after awhile. What I don't know is when. My guess is that you are beginning to see a decrease in effect when you start losing the lethargy. It's still doing something, just most likely not as much as when you first started and we're noticing more lethargy.
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Well HGH users(real injectable HGH) notice the same thing. Get lethargy for the little while but it goes away after a while. It's not like there HGH is decreasing.
 
anabolix said:
Using exogenous GH is completely different from stimulating your own body to release GH.
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I understand that but I was stating that it is possible for are bodies to adapt to an higher amount of HGH through different means other than lowering HGH
 
The_Old_Guy said:
12mg of M is insane IMO. MK does just fine on it's own. I take just 1mg for sleep, and long term M studies haven't shown any adverse outcomes (at low doses) that I can recall. Our bodies are exposed to M every evening for our entire lives (and it declines with age).
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I have some melatonin on order to help with sleep. Im taking a homeopathic melatonin at night which is helping suprisngly... I've heard they're useless. Its all i can get where i can live until my shipment comes in. I've switched to taking the mk and cardarine 1st thing in the morning. My sleep has improved alot since this switch. I've been taking both for 16 days now. I'm already getting good results. My joints feel better especially my hips... I'm losing fat everything feels tighter. I haven't lost weight though just slightly gained from 86 to 87 kgs. The last few days ive had great energy through the day and great sense of well being. My hamstring tendinitis is starting to feel better and stronger, I've been doing hamstring strengthening. I'm recovering quicker from workouts and already I'm starting to add extra running sessions to my program. If I'm already getting these results now i can't wait to see the results after 2 months
 
rtmilburn said:
I understand that but I was stating that it is possible for are bodies to adapt to an higher amount of HGH through different means other than lowering HGH
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I know, but you were using exogenous gh in an attempt to draw a correlation. I was just stating that you can't do that because you are elevating gh by two entirely different mechanisms. I'm not claiming I know for a fact that I'm right either, it's pure speculation on my part. Personally, I "think" that as somatostatin rises and gh becomes less effective, there "may" be a noticeable reduction in lethargy. Like I said though, I don't know this, I just wonder if this may play a part. I'm not looking for an argument, just thinking out loud for the most part.
 
Sorry for the newb question, but at 10mg ed is it normal to bloat up 10 lbs in a week? If yes - any idea how to control it?
Thanks for all info
 
Tank999 said:
Sorry for the newb question, but at 10mg ed is it normal to bloat up 10 lbs in a week? If yes - any idea how to control it?
Thanks for all info
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I had this happen with an RC product, I discontinue it and started a product from OL No Bloat!
 
Tank999 said:
Sorry for the newb question, but at 10mg ed is it normal to bloat up 10 lbs in a week? If yes - any idea how to control it?
Thanks for all info
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That's alot. 10lb is definitely not common. But 2-6 sure is.
Tighten up diet.
Potassium intake increase.
Cardio increase.
Most common......wait it out, you'll adapt.
 
Try to salt very low !!
 
I just dropped it. Very bad reaction. Like when a did a very strong ph stack a few years ago. The risk is just not worth the pay off. My neighbor gets a free open bottle.
 
I gained 10lbs of water in 5 days, my fingers were so swollen I could not even bend them.
 
I want to ask you a question. How can you be sure about what you are really taking?

You believe that a 10mg cap is 100% mk-677, but if in the cap there are 5mg of mk-677 and 5 mg of the cheaper ostarine or some other ****?

Yeah the company can show you a lab test, but are you really sure that the test is legit?
 
kall said:
I want to ask you a question. How can you be sure about what you are really taking?

You believe that a 10mg cap is 100% mk-677, but if in the cap there are 5mg of mk-677 and 5 mg of the cheaper ostarine or some other ****?

Yeah the company can show you a lab test, but are you really sure that the test is legit?
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This is one of the problems with this industry, and the reason you need to purchase from a reputable company !!
 
Ghar1ne by Olympus UK and MK-677 by Focused Nutrition are well regarded but you still don't know what you are taking... who assures that there's 100% pure mk-677?
 
kall said:
Ghar1ne by Olympus UK and MK-677 by Focused Nutrition are well regarded but you still don't know what you are taking... who assures that there's 100% pure mk-677?
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I have used both of these will good success and no problems
 
kall said:
Ghar1ne by Olympus UK and MK-677 by Focused Nutrition are well regarded but you still don't know what you are taking... who assures that there's 100% pure mk-677?
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The only way to be 100% sure is to have the stuff analyzed yourself. Since this is an impossibility for 99.9% of us, you have to go by reputation. I'd stay away from any company that has had even a whiff of legal action in the area if ingredient tampering/dosing/mis-labeling. But since all the companies that sold SARMs as dietary supplements have stopped due to not wanting to get sued under the Lanham Act (really love to have this explained why - it's a Trade Mark law? They must have tacked on a bunch of other BS to it?) - Research Companies are the only source in the US now - harder to do due diligence. I'd pick one that has a good reputation for all the "Old School" stuff - odds are the newer SARMs are good from them too.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The only way to be 100% sure is to have the stuff analyzed yourself. Since this is an impossibility for 99.9% of us, you have to go by reputation.
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Exactly, I wonder if someone ever did it.

UK websites are still selling ghar1ne so it's not a problem buying it, and I really would, but I can't trust any company about these "grey" substances
 
I just bought 7 bottles of GHAR1NE from an EU OLYMPUS LABS UK retailer.

I plan to dose 10 mg in the early a.m., taking it once a day, running 6 month cycles.

I'm gonna be taking Melatonin 5 mg at night before bed.

Planning to drink lots of water, keeping my sodium intake relatively low and ensuring I'm taking enough potassium.

I'm 36, btw.

Anything else I need to know? Anything else anyone recommend I do?

Thanks.
 
latinorebel said:
I just bought 7 bottles of GHAR1NE from an EU OLYMPUS LABS UK retailer.

I plan to dose 10 mg in the early a.m., taking it once a day, running 6 month cycles.

I'm gonna be taking Melatonin 5 mg at night before bed.

Planning to drink lots of water, keeping my sodium intake relatively low and ensuring I'm taking enough potassium.

I'm 36, btw.

Anything else I need to know? Anything else anyone recommend I do?

Thanks.
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7 bottles ... you're definitely planning to try that MK-677!

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UncleSarm said:
7 bottles ... you're definitely planning to try that MK-677!

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Fugg it.

Just read too many good things about it to NOT try it.

And it just seems like the people that have had issues with it either are either getting products from non reliable sources or don't have their diet on point.

...fugg it!

OL 4 LIFE!

WOOOOOOOOOO (Ric Flair-in it!)
 
Just realize that acute effects are highly individual. I've gone through 6 months of OL and FN - and notice none of either the sides or supposed benefits of MK supplementation. I'm just trusting the research, anecdotal feedback, and one blood test I've seen.
 
Any suggestions how to reduce the water retention? because it's look like the muscle spasms coming from there...
i do take potassium gluconate and dandelion root but it's not really helping with that...
also i drink a lot of water, more than 1 gallon a day.
 
Vict said:
Any suggestions how to reduce the water retention? because it's look like the muscle spasms coming from there...
i do take potassium gluconate and dandelion root but it's not really helping with that...
also i drink a lot of water, more than 1 gallon a day.
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Add magnesium as well. And lower salt more if adding magnesium doesnt help.
 
3clipseGT said:
The lethargy I get from MK-677 is so horrible and I wake up so lethargic that its not even worth it for me.
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I found the lethargy to kick in big time around 8-10 hours after dosing. When I began taking it either before or after lunch I was fine during the day. I've heard not to dose at night since it can ruin your sleep.
 
My pct is coming up so I'm getting ready to start mk677 again. Counting on the hunger to help me consume 4200 calories clean as possible.
Inhibit p or possibly caber to lower prolactin spike and increase libido.
I'll run mk677 for 4 months....maybe more.
 
Cgkone said:
My pct is coming up so I'm getting ready to start mk677 again. Counting on the hunger to help me consume 4200 calories clean as possible.
Inhibit p or possibly caber to lower prolactin spike and increase libido.
I'll run mk677 for 4 months....maybe more.
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Nice. MK-677 should be good in PCT, from a study I read.
 
UncleSarm said:
Nice. MK-677 should be good in PCT, from a study I read.
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I ran it for my last pct.
Kept me solid and hungry.
I'm ready to run it again, I am a big fan.
But I'm also a big believer than mk677 is one of the most vast user dependant results. EVERYBODY is different.
I would love to see a thread where we all take the SAME mk677 and log results.
For me I believe on a strong DS/PH CYCLE it effects my libido. Weakening it. I'll keep an eye on it this time and see what happens.
I'll be on Clomid superpct reducext inhibitp maybe caber...my unit will be erect haha.
Again I am all for mk677. I love it I took it for almost 6 months 12.5 mg.
Ready to start again.
 
Has anyone tried

Focused Nutrition MK-677

or

DNA Anabolics MK-677

Was wondering which one of these yielded better results?

Thanks
 
Joshlm69 said:
Has anyone tried

Focused Nutrition MK-677

or

DNA Anabolics MK-677

Was wondering which one of these yielded better results?

Thanks
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I've never used DNA MK but FN is GTG. For me, anyway, it's hard to gauge the effectiveness of one MK vs. another. I just know they're working based on certain indicators... Deep sleep, quick recovery and occasional tingling/numbness in my left hand (no idea why only my left). I notice the effectiveness the most when I go off it. "Don't know what you got 'til it's gone".
 
HardB0iled said:
I've never used DNA MK but FN is GTG. For me, anyway, it's hard to gauge the effectiveness of one MK vs. another. I just know they're working based on certain indicators... Deep sleep, quick recovery and occasional tingling/numbness in my left hand (no idea why only my left). I notice the effectiveness the most when I go off it. "Don't know what you got 'til it's gone".
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So you'd recommend FN MK-677?
 
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