Methyl 4AD log
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Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Its not like I'm the only one who said this. This is the opinion of Chemo, Pat and most people that know the pharmacology of these susbtances. So your mistaken when you think its just me tooting my own horn. Thats ridiculous.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
bellicose said:
What the hell do you people not get? I never said it wouldn't work. I just said there are better alternatives out there considering his first week results (and also considering methyls should act faster than transdermals). I said IF the trend continues as his first week results indicate, its not woirht it IMO.
"This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view."
Are you people faimilar with the success methyl test has? Its NONE.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
bellicose said:
Do not presume to tell what I should or should not do. Like I said before its not just me, its everyone that knows the pharmacology of these substances. Its predicted to be inferior. If you have any more valuable information that can state otherwise please tell us all. If not.....
bellicose
Banned
sifu said:**** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.
Lol...your next(dun..dun.dunnnnnn)
Joking aside, i hope you guys the best on your cycles. It was a brave act to volunteer to test out these "scary" new compounds as some have called them. Hopefully, they won't turn out to be as much of a failure as some have expected.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
sifu said:**** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.
That substance (AS MOST PREDICT) should be pretty good. Why? Its base structure aromtizes half of what methyl test would (M4AD) so there is a logical basis for its to be pretty good.
Thats the difference. M4AD doesn't even look good on paper and his first week results indicate that. Thats all I'm saying so why don't you people stop act like I'm criticizing your mothers and take the information for what its worth.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
bellicose said:
And do you want to know why? Because JUST LIKE METHYL TEST, you needed a higher dose to get an anabolic effect. Once the dose was that high the side effects became very bad because it aromatized so heavily into 17 methyl E2 (half of dbol). There are your factors. Care to share any more with me?
The fact that it is an oral also should be in consideration. Why? Because 17 methylated substances tend to act fast. So when an oral doesn't give me the same results as a NON-methylated transdermal which techincally should take weeks to see results, it tells me something. See where I'm coming from? Everyone understand? Should I post Powerpoint slides?
You guys are sitting there getting defensive withouth even knowing why this **** happens.
bellicose
Banned
Your reasoning is perfect, however these substances have not been used before and i like personal accounts. I'm not getting defensive i'm just saying, "how many people have you talked to that have had problems with m4ad?" Answer me that, paper is great but i like real world effects.Bobo said:
No mas
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
sifu said:
I'm not heated at all with you Sifu. I just get irritated when someone can't take criticism of a substance they are using. Its not like I'm saying he's and idiot or something. These logs are for people to see the results of certain hormones and to establish why or why not certain things work. They are for critical thinking just like any other forum. Its my opinion that this substance is not worth it for several reasons. Thats all. The M5AA that he has already has been shown to more effective in the first 5 days by prolangtum and that doens't even aromatize!
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
bellicose said:
Yes they have and yes I know people that have used it. Just because you can't get it through a company does not mean its not available. Its the same thing with M1T. I knew people that used it that got it from China before it was even released to the public. Sledge is doing you a favor by doing it out in the open. This stuff is usually done behind the scense to establish results and to decide whether its going to be manufactured. Thats how M1T was done. I also know people that have used methyl test and would never use it again.Why? It sucks. Any more questions?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
farmer said:
And who are you? New ideas? Where is the new idea?
Just because its new to you doesn't mean its new overall. I hate to break it to you Mr. Sarcastic but the idea of M4ad has been around for some time. Now please take your comments elswhere if you have nothing to add but sarcastic comments.
bellicose
Banned
Yes, if these compounds are done behind the scenes then what were the results from m1,4?Bobo said:
What about 17oh or whatever that stuff that's comparable to anavar?
What else is on the horizon that we don't know about? Since you know alot more than me please educate me on what's next.
thank you
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
M1,4 diol was shown to aromatize more than expected. Ask instyct999 about the other substance. I know he's had many people use it already.
As for whats next, thats not for me to annouce.
As for whats next, thats not for me to annouce.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
This forum is also for critical thinking. As ADMIN here I should know what the forums are about a little more than you. If you don't want to particpate in a forum that encourages debate then this isn't the right place for you. Maybe you weren't aware of these facts since you only have 10 posts.
When someone doesn't understand the mechanisms and pathways of how these hormones operate, then it our responsiblity to keep them informed of these facts, especially since the this generation of PH's are very potent.
Now keep this topic to this log and the substance.
When someone doesn't understand the mechanisms and pathways of how these hormones operate, then it our responsiblity to keep them informed of these facts, especially since the this generation of PH's are very potent.
Now keep this topic to this log and the substance.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
bellicose said:
Then look at Sifu's and Jergo's log. They seem to love it already. You do know that my "paper" info is based on REAL assays right? There is a reason why M1T, 4AD, 1AD, 1-Test and numerous other substances were released. They looked good on "paper" which is basically clincal studies. Many of them aren't even availaible on PubMed. They are old texts from the 50's and 60's done in the REAL world.
sifu
Banned
Ya I like it. I just got back from working out, and I had a great workout. It is only day five and I am getting swole. Even on a complete cutting diet. Everyone is asking me what I am taking.
For the people I don't know I just tell them Animal Pack. hehehe
I have told two of my buds from work though.
But I definately like it so far.
For the people I don't know I just tell them Animal Pack. hehehe
I have told two of my buds from work though.
But I definately like it so far.
jweave23
Registered User
I am planning on running 10mg M1T and 40mg M4-AD, even after speaking with Chemo about it 
I just figured "....ahh what the hell!" I want to give it a shot to evaluate the product, see what really happens on it, even with the history of methyl-test in the background. It shouldn't be too dangerous, and it's cheap, although I will go into it knowing other choices are more "efficient". Bobo would just as easily criticize me for it, but he knows I don't really care what his clown ass says, anyway 
That and I know what it's all about going into it.
I just figured "....ahh what the hell!" I want to give it a shot to evaluate the product, see what really happens on it, even with the history of methyl-test in the background. It shouldn't be too dangerous, and it's cheap, although I will go into it knowing other choices are more "efficient". Bobo would just as easily criticize me for it, but he knows I don't really care what his clown ass says, anyway That and I know what it's all about going into it. 
Lean One
Well-known member
Tuesday morning... Weight is unchanged from yesterday,although my muscles are noticably fuller. My legs seem more cut,And the abs are looking a little better so I may have lost a little fat.After yesterdays intresting debate, I've decided to go up to 60mg for a few days to see what happens. By two weeks if the sides are'nt bad I'm going up to 80mg.So for now, it will be 40 in the morning and 20 at dinner.Like I said, aside from a little acne, There have been zero negative sides. Since I am so lean, it should be pretty easy to tell if I get bloated so I will be very watchfull. Wish me luck!
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
jweave23 said:I am planning on running 10mg M1T and 40mg M4-AD, even after speaking with Chemo about it
How soon they forget.
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
I know most of the time these trials are done behind the scenes first before people will release anything. But if the product dosent work then i wont bring it out and if it dosent work then everyone should know it dosent work. This way hopefully companies like VPX wont be able to just continue to charge wayyy to much for stuff that dosent work.
I think its working for lean one, although not as strong as other compounds the sides arent there yet which is a good thing. There needs to be som elesser strength compounds as well as strong ones, not everything needs to be at least 10 times more anabolic then methyltest in order for it to be good. Hopefully methyl-4ad has more anabolic value being intrinsic then after being converted and this will keep the sides to a min.
I think its working for lean one, although not as strong as other compounds the sides arent there yet which is a good thing. There needs to be som elesser strength compounds as well as strong ones, not everything needs to be at least 10 times more anabolic then methyltest in order for it to be good. Hopefully methyl-4ad has more anabolic value being intrinsic then after being converted and this will keep the sides to a min.
farmer
New member
If I may call a truce with Bobo, I'd like to ask an honest question.
It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?
It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?
Lean One
Well-known member
If I may reply to you since I speak from experience with this. I think this compound can have some value in a bulking cycle. So far, at 60 mg/day I have no bloat or other estrogenic sides. The only drawback is that for an experienced PH user, You need a higher dose. I really don't think it is as estrogenic as people think.I plan to take it up to 80mg in a couple days, and mabey even 100. If estrogen sides are manageable,I want to see how much I can get from this before I add the M5AA. Be patient and follow this thread. I'm trying to answer yours and other questions with this cycle.farmer said:
On a side note... I think bumping it up to 60mg is doing me nicely. Things are lookin good in the mirror. Also my waist is down 1/4". Yeah.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
farmer said:
I really don't feel it has much of a place at all consdiering you can get a better substance with either one of the injectable 4AD's or transdermal 4AD withouth the risk of liver stress. On top of that the dose needed to get an equivalent effect to that of the other alternatives would require you to have Nolva on hand while as the others you would not since estradiol is fairly weak compared to 17 methyl estradiol. Gyno would be very rare with thjose compared to M4AD if equivalent doses were taken. The take in the fact if you use the other alternatives that allows you to use another methylated susbtance (dienolone, M5AA, M1T, etc...). If you use M4AD you shouldn't be taking another methylated substance. Thats just being careless and unwise unless you lower the doses which then would defeat the whole point in taking them IMO. So after all that the purpose of M4AD for the regular user doesn't seem worth it IMO when there are much better alternatives that will give you better results without the extra liver stress and also more flexibility to use other substances.
farmer
New member
Look at D-bol though. I think I'm correct in saying that it is methylated bold. There is no comparison between those two. I don't see how you could expect the 4AD and M4AD to act the same when there's such a difference with other methylated products. I really was hoping that M4AD would end some of the twice a day trans applications and inj's but it may not turn out as such.
Lean One said:
Lean One
Well-known member
This has not been proven in the real world. Give me some time I'm trying to answer this question. Also, some of us don't want to inject. there are various reasons for this. Mine happen to be a 3yr old daughter and an 8 month old son. I don't want needles anywhere in my house.Bobo said:
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
The methyl won't act the same. It will less androgenic than its base counterpart. It will be more anabolic just by increasing the potency of tios metabolites. But in this case I would rather use a high dose of the regular 4AD because it will be less toxic and also give better results IMO.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
farmer said:
The difference is metabolites. Thats how potent 17 methyl E2 is.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Lean One said:
It converts into methyl test which has been proven. Assays are done in the real world, not a fantasy land.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Yeah we have been throught this and you don't seem to get that if you take such a low dose you won't have MUCH GROWTH!
I also suggest you look up the doses of HRT for woman and how little estradiol they take.
E2 at a GRAM??? Get a bra.
Gee for someone who didn't know the pathways of this drug you seem to know a lot about dosages and what effects they have.
The dose your taking is so damn small no wonder you lost weight. Your log over at Avant shows your diet to be less than satisfactory if your eating pizza then cutting carbs the next day. What is your goal anyway?
I also suggest you look up the doses of HRT for woman and how little estradiol they take.
E2 at a GRAM??? Get a bra.
Gee for someone who didn't know the pathways of this drug you seem to know a lot about dosages and what effects they have.
The dose your taking is so damn small no wonder you lost weight. Your log over at Avant shows your diet to be less than satisfactory if your eating pizza then cutting carbs the next day. What is your goal anyway?