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Methoxy-Trn log

3clipseGT said:
Do you plan on stayin on it for the full 4 weeeks bro?

Hows the feeling like **** coming? Any better or the same?
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Oh I am staying on, I will be watching very closely, as if I am not already, and I have added some curcumin to the fight on bp. I am going to add more low intensity cardio to my program as well.

Feeling about the same
 
ryansm said:
Oh I am staying on, I will be watching very closely, as if I am not already, and I have added some curcumin to the fight on bp. I am going to add more low intensity cardio to my program as well.

Feeling about the same
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Sounds good to me bro! Thanks again for doin this man!
 
For the record, Ryan you are a credit to this board. And I'm sure I speak for many who are following this log that you have earned all of our upmost praise. Hang in there brosef. :bow28:
 
Mad props ryan :thumbsup: I think I will be waiting until spring to run this compound in order to due the proper preparation. Good luck with the rest of the cycle and with your health as well. Thanks.
 
Damn Ryan, you the man:box: . Good luck with that BP. Its good guys like you who will save my heart when I finally decide to run this (saving it for awhile probably). Sounds too amazing to not run though. Can't wait to see your blood results when done (intrigued/scared).
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
maybe ryans dose is near the high end and us lighter dudes should start lower.
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I agree. i just started running M-trn last week and started up a log yesterday, either way i started @ the recommended dose 1.5mg x3 and it was too much.... bad acne, oily skin, and some mean back pumps from pullups. either way i droped dosage to 3mg ed 2 days ago and every thing is fine. no more acne no oily skin dont know about back pumps since it only happened once but im still getting STRONG AS HELL!

this is a very powerfull supp and gives an insane amount of strength/endurance. but i would suggest that if you are

A) prone to androgenic sides
B) under 200lbs
C) an extreme responder to most supps

that you start at a 1.5mg x2 a day dosage and go from there. now i gotta go check my blood pressure.....
 
Hi Ryan - on balance (strengh gains vs sides), would you run M-TRN again? Appreciate you've still got a week to go though.
 
well, i guess i must not be a responder to the m-tren because i've been on it for 12 days now and i actually feel like it's doing nothing for me it might actually be making me weaker.....i'm not joking.
i have had no shutdown, no sides except a little itch on my nip's but thats normal and i'm running nolva now for that, no pumps nothing, i even tried bumping it up to 4 caps ED, nothing......i don't know if i got a bad batch or i just don't respond to this stuff?
 
would a litle nudge from tribulus help with some of the lethargy? from my experience having higher than normal (for me) test levels energizes me when i'm active, using my body, but also causes me to be more tired and get to sleep easier when i'm not, such as at the end of a day.

just asking. i'm excited to see ryan's blood work. they advertise the methoxylation as being fairly non-toxic, right?

i wish we had less dry and more wet to work with. these progestins are drying. i can hardly stand m-1-p and max lmg, my lower lip cracks easily. i'm a fairly dry ectomorph, late 20's. i wonder how drying this methoxy-trn is compared to the two previously mentioned progestins... ? despite the thirst i found the methasteron to not dry my lip as much as the max lmg (very light experimentation with methasteron). i have to literally split the max lmg into halves or thirds and build up in fractions to not crack up. grr.

i really appreciate your log, ryan. i haven't seen any logs like yours. i hope you eventually divulge the special dietary secrets...
 
i know its the holidays but any kind of update sir? i like to use your log to hopefully forshadow anything i may need to look out for in my cycle and hopefully shine some more light on this new supp for everyone.

thanks again for the log ryan:thumbsup:
 
Well I have been real busy the last couple of days. I have been training, and so far it has been more of the same. Sorry to get off track with the log. I will be off until Monday, so I will start it up again then.

My BP has been getting lower with the addition of curcumin, today it was 128/72, which is damn good compared to what it was. Anyway strength is still good, and climbing at a slower rate, I have certainly gained more weight, but you guys will have to wait until Monday for that.:food:
 
JonasDavidsson said:
how has your "apearence" changed?
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I have noticed fat loss, and measured it for that matter. I have also noticed that there seems to be a nice repartitioning with this hormone. It seems to have similar aspects to Tren Ace, whihc is not too surprising considering the base chem, although there is no telling what differences the methoxy makes.
 
Gokmog said:
would a litle nudge from tribulus help with some of the lethargy? from my experience having higher than normal (for me) test levels energizes me when i'm active, using my body, but also causes me to be more tired and get to sleep easier when i'm not, such as at the end of a day.

just asking. i'm excited to see ryan's blood work. they advertise the methoxylation as being fairly non-toxic, right?

i wish we had less dry and more wet to work with. these progestins are drying. i can hardly stand m-1-p and max lmg, my lower lip cracks easily. i'm a fairly dry ectomorph, late 20's. i wonder how drying this methoxy-trn is compared to the two previously mentioned progestins... ? despite the thirst i found the methasteron to not dry my lip as much as the max lmg (very light experimentation with methasteron). i have to literally split the max lmg into halves or thirds and build up in fractions to not crack up. grr.

i really appreciate your log, ryan. i haven't seen any logs like yours. i hope you eventually divulge the special dietary secrets...
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Doubtful on the trib, you would need test, or 4ad. Progestins do dry me out, and this one is no exception, but it is not a severe as with other progs like max lmg imo.

Max lmg really gave me some nasty sides as far as headaches, stomach, and joint issues.
 
I reallly like the sound of the repartitioning and tren ace like affects. Hope the blood work comes back good.
 
Also, what about the cardiovascular affects of this, well what I am saying is I like to play a lot of pick up basketball full court, would this cause unbearable pumps and negatively affect my performance?
 
Manu20 said:
Also, what about the cardiovascular affects of this, well what I am saying is I like to play a lot of pick up basketball full court, would this cause unbearable pumps and negatively affect my performance?
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Im on Meo trn and form my personal experience i havnt really noticed bad calf pumps honestly.
 
Manu20 said:
Also, what about the cardiovascular affects of this, well what I am saying is I like to play a lot of pick up basketball full court, would this cause unbearable pumps and negatively affect my performance?
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I haven't noticed any extreme pumps, but I also never go over 5-6 reps.

I have an immense amount of endurance, I do not get tired at all, and recovery is simply absurdly quick.
 
So it is day 20 I think:think:

I have not worked out in the past 4 days, Monday I will be back off of break and ready to go.

My BP is doing fine now, checking in at 125/68 today, and has been realtive to that the past few days.

I have recently bumped the dose to 6mgs, a few days ago to be exact, and I will keep it here until the cycle is over. At this rate I should finish around Thursday of next week. I will get blood drawn on Thursday most likely, so the results should be in by that following week.
 
I attest it to nearly 10grams of potassium, and the addition of curcumin which is becoming one of my favorite all around anti-o's.
 
ryansm said:
I attest it to nearly 10grams of potassium, and the addition of curcumin which is becoming one of my favorite all around anti-o's.
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Thanks. 5 stars :D Not that you need them, but heck this is great info man.

I have this theory that high BP from anabolics stems from shuttling of K+ to the muscle cells along with all the nutrients, therefore creating a high Na+, low K+ effect in the bloodstream. If this is true, then supplementing with K would increase the anabolic properties of anabolics.

Does that make sense?
 
ryansm said:
I attest it to nearly 10grams of potassium, and the addition of curcumin which is becoming one of my favorite all around anti-o's.
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I have some of it I picked up in the herbs isle at the grocery store, how exactly are you taking yours? I tried 1/4 tsp 2 times a day for a few days but that powder tastes like ass. Are you capping it? (its not as bad as HGW, but I do not think anything is)
 
ryansm said:
I haven't noticed any extreme pumps, but I also never go over 5-6 reps.

I have an immense amount of endurance, I do not get tired at all, and recovery is simply absurdly quick.
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I second this. just for a test yesterday (also cause my gym was about to close) i pushed my selff to take half the rest time between sets and still upped the weight on all lifts, i ended up blasting through the entire w/o in half an hour and wasnt even winded. this is an extreme supp guys.
 
ryansm said:
I attest it to nearly 10grams of potassium, and the addition of curcumin which is becoming one of my favorite all around anti-o's.
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Whats your dosage like? I know NOW has a curcumin extract
 
Yeah I am using the Now brand 2 caps a day around 1200mgs. Good stuff for the old ticker, and liver for that matter.
 
Grunt76 said:
Thanks. 5 stars :D Not that you need them, but heck this is great info man.

I have this theory that high BP from anabolics stems from shuttling of K+ to the muscle cells along with all the nutrients, therefore creating a high Na+, low K+ effect in the bloodstream. If this is true, then supplementing with K would increase the anabolic properties of anabolics.

Does that make sense?
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I have discussed something similar with Dr. D, it is something to consider.
 
I know you've experienced an increase in BP, have you noticed anything in regards to your hair, is this suppose to be hard on the hariline?
 
Manu20 said:
I know you've experienced an increase in BP, have you noticed anything in regards to your hair, is this suppose to be hard on the hariline?
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You're asking the wrong guy...


ryansm said:
I have no hair, started losing it in highschool:rant:
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PS - Great log ryansm... much appreciated!
 
question.. i have read in a pharmaceutical magazine cautioning that curcumin chelates to iron and copper, but not to zinc, thereby promoting mineral imbalances/deficiencies. has anyone here heard about this?

i would never, EVER use a supplement like methoxy-trn but i must say i also went quickly through a squat/leg day with a half-hour before closing time and i must say it was quite a breeze... doesn't take a long to recover, eh?

:rofl:

;)
 
Gokmog said:
question.. i have read in a pharmaceutical magazine cautioning that curcumin chelates to iron and copper, but not to zinc, thereby promoting mineral imbalances/deficiencies. has anyone here heard about this?
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Interesting, I have not heard this, but the majority of the population is in some state of mineral imbalance. The question is how much of an imbalance there is, and if supplementation can balance it.

Curcumin has very promising affects in practice, and theory.

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Many benefits as you can see
 
Gokmog said:
i would never, EVER use a supplement like methoxy-trn but i must say i also went quickly through a squat/leg day with a half-hour before closing time and i must say it was quite a breeze... doesn't take a long to recover, eh?
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im sorry i have alot on my mind right now and am in retard mode but is this a question or a statement? and what is the relevence of your squat session if your not taking m-trn? what are you taking?

sorry man im not trying to sound mean or criticize im just confused, do you mind explaining?
 
poopypants said:
im sorry i have alot on my mind right now and am in retard mode but is this a question or a statement? and what is the relevence of your squat session if your not taking m-trn? what are you taking?

sorry man im not trying to sound mean or criticize im just confused, do you mind explaining?
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I believe he is taking it, I maybe wrong though.
 
ya n/m i read my log and saw that hes got a really big rat that he uses for all his test runs.... lol

so ryan have you experienced any acne from the TRN? ive broken out quite badly 2 times now both right when i try to up the dosage to 3 pills a day. do you take any extra measures to prevent this? or do you at least know of something that works well that wont interfere? thanks man.
 
poopypants said:
ya n/m i read my log and saw that hes got a really big rat that he uses for all his test runs.... lol

so ryan have you experienced any acne from the TRN? ive broken out quite badly 2 times now both right when i try to up the dosage to 3 pills a day. do you take any extra measures to prevent this? or do you at least know of something that works well that wont interfere? thanks man.
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You could try high dose vit B-5.
 
poopypants said:
ya n/m i read my log and saw that hes got a really big rat that he uses for all his test runs.... lol

so ryan have you experienced any acne from the TRN? ive broken out quite badly 2 times now both right when i try to up the dosage to 3 pills a day. do you take any extra measures to prevent this? or do you at least know of something that works well that wont interfere? thanks man.
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Yea how is this goin for you ryan? Ive noticed that ive broken out on my chest, not too terrible bad but worse then most others ive tried. Also quick off topic question for ryan.

How hard would you say MDHT is on the liveR? I know its methylated but id like to run it as a bridge between my methoxy tren and when my test kicks in. ( probly wont as it probly is just as toxic but was hopin )
 
Acne has been bad, but I use high amounts of b5 to combat it.

3clipse if you could post your cycle plan, from what I can tell that you are asking me, it would not be a good idea.
 
ryansm said:
Acne has been bad, but I use high amounts of b5 to combat it.

3clipse if you could post your cycle plan, from what I can tell that you are asking me, it would not be a good idea.
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Ryan, what exactly is the doseage of b5 that you are using at the moment?
 
ya that would be very valuable info for me like whats an effective dosage is it weight related and how often do you dose?

at least im not the only one and this is now a known side.
 
I think it is a couple of grams, not sure actually as I capped it a while back and forgot the amount.:run:

Well today's weight
317:ntome: up 15 pounds

workout
~60%
Snatch 70 x 4 100 x 4 110 x 3

Power cleans 110 x 4 130 x 3 150 x 3

Oly Sqauts 160 x 4 180 x 3 220 x 3 240 x 3

Strength was good, nothing great, I am working on a low percentage. I have felt more of the same, and really i am ready to end the cycle. Good thing it ends soon. There doesn't seem to be much more as far as gains from the meo-tren.

Bp was 125/78
 
ryansm said:
Acne has been bad, but I use high amounts of b5 to combat it.

3clipse if you could post your cycle plan, from what I can tell that you are asking me, it would not be a good idea.
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Honestly this cycle has been screwy, but for the first say 4 weeks i was planning on doing a cutter but i may scrap that ( just scrap the MP ) as its makin me feel like ****.

But this is what i was planing

1-4: M-Tren
1-3: Prostan ( only enough for about 3 weeks )
Im hopin that before the 4th week ends my "supplies" come in for my lab tests. :icon_lol:

But anways lets say.
3-13: Test E 500mgs
3-15: Deca 400mgs
12 1/2-17: Test prop: Probly around 500mgs, if needed 600-750.

Now my question was this. Since its holiday time the deliveries are a tad slower and the reason i didnt wait til everything was in and start it all at once was i was tryin to do a pretty good body recomp with more fat loss then weight gain but ive decided to scrap that. So i was curious if my supplies dont come in untill say the 4th week when im endin, what should i do? It will be here at the extreme latest 4th week.

Now i was thinkin of bridging somethin but i have nothin thats not methylated honestly. Now if its ok to not run somethin thats fine by me as long as im not messin up my gains this way. I was thinkin of running MDHT at say 42mgs or so a day untill thats runs out AFTER the m-tren.

Supps i have to choose from are as follows. More m-tren, Phera Plex, E max LMG , and Halodrol-50 and MDHT.

Now i know i should have had everything in but i had a screw loose at the time so dont kill me, but what do you think is the best thing i could do? :hammer:

Also sorry for the long post but did you see any diff in 6mgs compared to 4.5?
 
My advice -and you may not want to hear it- would be to finish this cycle, run pct, lay off for 4 weeks or so, and then start the new cycle based around the longer esters. I think the meo-tren would be a nice addition to that stack.
 
ryansm said:
My advice -and you may not want to hear it- would be to finish this cycle, run pct, lay off for 4 weeks or so, and then start the new cycle based around the longer esters. I think the meo-tren would be a nice addition to that stack.
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I was actually thinking the same thing too. That way id have everything in order. I guess i was just trying to find a way to make it all work ya know?

Thats the route im gonna take. Thanks for the help bro.

Also did you notice any increase in the difference between 6mgs or 4.5?
 
Oh, no, no difference at all so far. As fast acting as it is I would say that it is not needed.
 
ryansm said:
Oh, no, no difference at all so far. As fast acting as it is I would say that it is not needed.
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Yea true. Sounds good to me. Use less and still get the same amount of effectiveness!
 
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