Ment (trestolone)

[Outofbody]

I have a half vial of tren ace laying around. Any point in adding this to the mix in the last week before a shoot I’m doing?

 

[Smont]

I have a half vial of tren ace laying around. Any point in adding this to the mix in the last week before a shoot I’m doing?

For only 1 week? Pointless

 

[Matthersby]

I have a half vial of tren ace laying around. Any point in adding this to the mix in the last week before a shoot I’m doing?

Ya with how trest treats me, you’ll be dealing with dialing bloat in at that time and it won’t be pretty.
Now, if you’d been on it 7 weeks, it’s something you don’t have to drop for a shoot if everything else’s on point. I can be lean as hell on it. But never the first few weeks.

 

[Outofbody]

For only 1 week? Pointless

Figured as much.

 

[Outofbody]

Ya with how trest treats me, you’ll be dealing with dialing bloat in at that time and it won’t be pretty.
Now, if you’d been on it 7 weeks, it’s something you don’t have to drop for a shoot if everything else’s on point. I can be lean as hell on it. But never the first few weeks.

I'm on 12.5mg exemestane daily. Think I should switch to a full 25mg daily dose for this week, up to the shoot?

I definitely don't want to drop the trest as I plan on continuing to cruise for months and am still getting gains. This is a video shoot for a music video where I'm playing a character (basically a samurai thug), where there will be heavy use of makeup and I will be shirtless. It won't be a fitness shoot, so I don't have to look super dry. Just big.

 

[Matthersby]

I'm on 12.5mg exemestane daily. Think I should switch to a full 25mg daily dose for this week, up to the shoot?

I definitely don't want to drop the trest as I plan on continuing to cruise for months and am still getting gains. This is a video shoot for a music video where I'm playing a character (basically a samurai thug), where there will be heavy use of makeup and I will be shirtless. It won't be a fitness shoot, so I don't have to look super dry. Just big.

Ok. Wait. So you’re already on it... you’ll be big on 25mg/day and out of the problem zone for me personally. I cruise 50eod with zero problems for months and months. I would kick it up honestly to 35-40day but ONLY if you have something dry dht. Winnie, Var even Proviron etc.. Or you could stay on just 10mg SD/day and drop your carbs super low. You’d be thick af and still somewhat shredded. And then do the ole water load/sodium thing 4 days out if you want to be shredded at all.

 

[hairygrandpa]

As I am very sensitive to 19-nors, I would take Proviron at 100mg/d instead of upping AI. For me, AI did NOT mitigate gyno, no matter how much I threw at it. Curbing prolactin and progesterone with a DHT derivative -or taking caber is the way to control Trest sides, IMHO.

 

[Codybenz]

As I am very sensitive to 19-nors, I would take Proviron at 100mg/d instead of upping AI. For me, AI did NOT mitigate gyno, no matter how much I threw at it. Curbing prolactin and progesterone with a DHT derivative -or taking caber is the way to control Trest sides, IMHO.

That’s why I cam gonna take all of the above, lol.

 

[hairygrandpa]

That’s why I cam gonna take all of the above, lol.

Yep, ALL of it!
Even though, I took Ralox and Letro with trest and still lactated and got gyno. Now I'm pretty sure that moderate AI + Proviron + Caber solves the problem. No need for everything.

 

[Outofbody]

I think I must be far less E2 sensitive these days because I’ve not had a need for a serm at all on this cycle. Only thing being done for gyno protection has been 12.5mg exemestane daily. Very infrequent caber usage, and stopped inhibit p a week ago and actually upped my trest dose without any problems.

 

[Outofbody]

Ok. Wait. So you’re already on it... you’ll be big on 25mg/day and out of the problem zone for me personally. I cruise 50eod with zero problems for months and months. I would kick it up honestly to 35-40day but ONLY if you have something dry dht. Winnie, Var even Proviron etc.. Or you could stay on just 10mg SD/day and drop your carbs super low. You’d be thick af and still somewhat shredded. And then do the ole water load/sodium thing 4 days out if you want to be shredded at all.

What you think of increasing exemestane to 25mg daily though and adding in a diuretic to dry out a bit? Just till this Sunday.

But yes I’m still on trest. Not coming off

 

[Matthersby]

As I am very sensitive to 19-nors, I would take Proviron at 100mg/d instead of upping AI. For me, AI did NOT mitigate gyno, no matter how much I threw at it. Curbing prolactin and progesterone with a DHT derivative -or taking caber is the way to control Trest sides, IMHO.

Although we don’t 100% agree on this, DHT is hands down the most effective way to lower gyno sides on Trest.
I’ve had results from Ralox though and tend to already take small doses of Prami in the evening and P5P/Mucuna daily so that may be part of what’s keeping it at bay.
But lactation is complicated and many times once AI/Serm has failed(which it will even at adequate doses on Trest), Estro takes a nose dive and prolactin skyrockets. obnoxious doses have been helpful for me and have possibly prevented this??

But as you stated, and your experience is extensive, DHT shits on all other means while running Trest. I pretty much dropped all other ancillaries on msten, or Winnie while on Trest.
Still ran a preventive dose or nolva and enough AI to cover my 300test dose weekly but that’s it.

Btw got 200 tabs of Proviron in the mail tomorrow off your recommend. Been wanting to run it alongside blasts for some time.

 

[Matthersby]

What you think of increasing exemestane to 25mg daily though and adding in a diuretic to dry out a bit? Just till this Sunday.

But yes I’m still on trest. Not coming off

Ya. Don’t want to be too flat. AI and low carb/sodium I feel would be batter unless you use dandelion or like 1/5th of a Lasix dose.
Get some DHT though! Anything will do, I swear you’ll be full af and abs start drying out by day 5

 

[Outofbody]

Ya. Don’t want to be too flat. AI and low carb/sodium I feel would be batter unless you use dandelion or like 1/5th of a Lasix dose.
Get some DHT though! Anything will do, I swear you’ll be full af and abs start drying out by day 5

I’ve increased to 25mg exem and started the SD again but just at 10mg. Amazing how much better I felt today after skipping yesterday’s SD dose.

Sunday is the day of my shoot (afternoon). I’m waking up early that day to do a full body high volume workout, then taking 20mg SD and a big dirty bfast about 3-4hrs prior to shooting. Going to be pretty full feeling after that I think.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Although we don’t 100% agree on this, DHT is hands down the most effective way to lower gyno sides on Trest.
I’ve had results from Ralox though and tend to already take small doses of Prami in the evening and P5P/Mucuna daily so that may be part of what’s keeping it at bay.
But lactation is complicated and many times once AI/Serm has failed(which it will even at adequate doses on Trest), Estro takes a nose dive and prolactin skyrockets. obnoxious doses have been helpful for me and have possibly prevented this??

But as you stated, and your experience is extensive, DHT shits on all other means while running Trest. I pretty much dropped all other ancillaries on msten, or Winnie while on Trest.
Still ran a preventive dose or nolva and enough AI to cover my 300test dose weekly but that’s it.

Btw got 200 tabs of Proviron in the mail tomorrow off your recommend. Been wanting to run it alongside blasts for some time.

I think we agree 100%. We both respond a bit differently to 19-nors.
Now that @Outofbody upped exem to 25mg/d, He may run into trouble, wait for it. As I understand, SD is a DHT derivative. Together with the high dosed AI, e2 may crash and spike prolactin. Interesting to see what happens, grabbing popcorn.

 

[Codybenz]

Yep, ALL of it!
Even though, I took Ralox and Letro with trest and still lactated and got gyno. Now I'm pretty sure that moderate AI + Proviron + Caber solves the problem. No need for everything.

Will take 2mg of Letro EOD, 100mg of Proviron ED, 1mg of Caber a week, and will start and end cycle with DHT, probably tbol and var. Will also have my good ole arimidex on hand if I need more estrogen control.

Plan on 70mg of Trest EOD to start

Can’t get here soon enough

 

[Renew1]

Will take 2mg of Letro EOD, 100mg of Proviron ED, 1mg of Caber a week, and will start and end cycle with DHT, probably tbol and var. Will also have my good ole arimidex on hand if I need more estrogen control.

Plan on 70mg of Trest EOD to start

Can’t get here soon enough

Be sure to give updates, brother.

 

[Codybenz]

I will, I am still 7 weeks out though. Have to stay off the juice until my next round of blood work for the trt doc in 7 weeks.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Will take 2mg of Letro EOD, 100mg of Proviron ED, 1mg of Caber a week, and will start and end cycle with DHT, probably tbol and var. Will also have my good ole arimidex on hand if I need more estrogen control.

Plan on 70mg of Trest EOD to start

Can’t get here soon enough

I would drop the letro and do adex at 1mg eod. Way more forgiving. I'm not sure if T-bol or Var helps. Proviron and Wini should, especially Wini with progesterone lowering properties -but all the other DHT's -not sure.
You will be the rat, we observe.

 

[Matthersby]

I would drop the letro and do adex at 1mg eod. Way more forgiving. I'm not sure if T-bol or Var helps. Proviron and Wini should, especially Wini with progesterone lowering properties -but all the other DHT's -not sure.
You will be the rat, we observe.

HGP. If I’m not trying to get any anabolic effects or even much drying/hardening from from the Proviron, would 50mg/day suffice for the shbg lowering and other effects? Or should I always run 100?

 

[hairygrandpa]

HGP. If I’m not trying to get any anabolic effects or even much drying/hardening from from the Proviron, would 50mg/day suffice for the shbg lowering and other effects? Or should I always run 100?

For SHBG and with a cruise/TRT, 50 should do. To lower e2 and prolactin 100-125 will be needed. Did my last NPP run with 75, bloated and bumped it up to 100 on off days and 125 on workout days. This worked awesome. Expensive sh1t. Epistane does maybe the same and is cheaper.
At 125 watch for prostate swelling and hair shedding, did not happen to me (well, not much hair left anyways).

 

[khall1974]

HGP. If I’m not trying to get any anabolic effects or even much drying/hardening from from the Proviron, would 50mg/day suffice for the shbg lowering and other effects? Or should I always run 100?

I am currently on Hex and 50mg proviron and may have to adjust my ai. Will get bloods tomorrow and see. Wanna check my e2 but I am really dry now and vascular than I was a week ago.

 

[khall1974]

I am currently on Hex and 50mg proviron and may have to adjust my ai. Will get bloods tomorrow and see. Wanna check my e2 but I am really dry now and vascular than I was a week ago.

Also on 400mg if test e and running the same dose of adex as last cycle. We will see.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Also on 400mg if test e and running the same dose of adex as last cycle. We will see.

In theory, with the add proviron, your e2 should show up lower, will be interesting.

 

[Outofbody]

I think we agree 100%. We both respond a bit differently to 19-nors.
Now that @Outofbody upped exem to 25mg/d, He may run into trouble, wait for it. As I understand, SD is a DHT derivative. Together with the high dosed AI, e2 may crash and spike prolactin. Interesting to see what happens, grabbing popcorn.

Ha well if that's what might happen, I'll start using caber sublingually again starting tonight

 

[Outofbody]

At 125 watch for prostate swelling and hair shedding, did not happen to me (well, not much hair left anyways).

Ever since I started using tren a couple years ago, my hair is thinning fast around my crown (hairline is fine). Started using rogaine this year. Hope I can save it and bring some back!

 

[Outofbody]

Ya. Don’t want to be too flat. AI and low carb/sodium I feel would be batter unless you use dandelion or like 1/5th of a Lasix dose.

Think I should stop my AI a day or two prior to the shoot? Then do my carb up the morning of the shoot (3-4 hrs prior) with 20-30mg SD.

 

[Matthersby]

Think I should stop my AI a day or two prior to the shoot? Then do my carb up the morning of the shoot (3-4 hrs prior) with 20-30mg SD.

I wouldn’t stop the AI. But I’m no expert.
Think your plan looks good so far though.

 

[Outofbody]

You guys are going to laugh but I went back on 20mg SD daily lol.. I don't remember having a love/hate relationship with it before like this haha

 

[Matthersby]

You guys are going to laugh but I went back on 20mg SD daily lol.. I don't remember having a love/hate relationship with it before like this haha

I despise it so much.
But Ive been meaning to pick some up for this winter.

 

[Outofbody]

Just finished a workout. Almost puked a few times from SD nausea but I'm looking swooooooole lol

 

[Matthersby]

Just finished a workout. Almost puked a few times from SD nausea but I'm looking swooooooole lol

It’s like chemotherapy that makes you look like Arnold.
I remember when I ran it with 700 sust in 2013, trying so hard the whole time to keep it at 20mg.
I would eat one solid meal a day and the rest were liquid cals, and I’d go incline 275 for reps and did a photo shoot in the bathroom every time I finished training. Just painful huge muscles and on like 1900 calories a day. Defies bodybuilding logic.

 

[Outofbody]

It’s like chemotherapy that makes you look like Arnold.
I remember when I ran it with 700 sust in 2013, trying so hard the whole time to keep it at 20mg.
I would eat one solid meal a day and the rest were liquid cals, and I’d go incline 275 for reps and did a photo shoot in the bathroom every time I finished training. Just painful huge muscles and on like 1900 calories a day. Defies bodybuilding logic.

Yup I had half a solid meal today and the rest liquid cals but still somehow bursting at the seams ha... dinner will be a 75g protein blend shake and a shot of olive oil, with the same at bed time.

 

[Matthersby]

Yup I had half a solid meal today and the rest liquid cals but still somehow bursting at the seams ha... dinner will be a 75g protein blend shake and a shot of olive oil, with the same at bed time.

I ordered some yesterday

 

[Matthersby]

Yup I had half a solid meal today and the rest liquid cals but still somehow bursting at the seams ha... dinner will be a 75g protein blend shake and a shot of olive oil, with the same at bed time.

AASPorn time

50ml Trest Ace 75/ml
50ml TestE 300
50ml TestE 300
60ml Dienolone Enth 200/ml
50ml NPP 125 half used
100 tabs 50mg Proviron
100 tabs 20mg Var
100 tabs 25mg Winnie
25 tabs 20mg SD
50 tabs msten/DMZ 10/10
Dbol 10mg x500
Nolva for months
Ralox for 6 months
Letro for months
Prami for the rest of 2019
T3 potent 200mcg/ml x30
Osta
Lasix
BPC157/TB500 (6 more reconstituted in the fridge)

This is just to get me started to do a simple Men’s Physique in March.
If people think that 400k for Mr. Olympia winnings even covers their multiple advanced trainers and drugs, they are mistaken.
This isn’t half what I need to do very well in March.
Masteron and lots of it.
Way More Var and a little drol.
Thousands in peptides or Jinitropin.
And I’m sure I’m missing a lot more for dieting down. Not to mention food and diet and my trainers fees every month, plus the prep for the competition itself and dues to NPC and posing class.
Im liking my stockpile right now, but every paycheck more must be added.

 

[Codybenz]

I know that var. It looked so pretty in the bottle I almost didn’t want to use it.

 

[Matthersby]

I know that var. It looked so pretty in the bottle I almost didn’t want to use it.

It’ll fair better In my belly.

But ya isn’t it sexy??
1st Var run for me believe it or not where I’m certain it’s not actually just Winnie...

 

[Outofbody]

That’s a pretty nice stash! I only have about 4 vials of trest ace, some test prop, npp, bit of tren ace, some mast and a couple opened vials of desoxy-test cyp + ace, plus a ton of peptides and ancillaries

 

[Matthersby]

That’s a pretty nice stash! I only have about 4 vials of trest ace, some test prop, npp, bit of tren ace, some mast and a couple opened vials of desoxy-test cyp + ace, plus a ton of peptides and ancillaries

That big ole pregnant .50cal bullet there has 75mg/ml Trest Ace.
So if I did my standard cruise dose of 150/week,
That one vial gets me over 6 months.
Sexiest thing I’ve ever seenView attachment 184839

 

[hairygrandpa]

Lots of candies!!!!

 

[hairygrandpa]

I'm interested in dionolone enanthate , should I be worried about lactating like with NPP? What about conversion to estrogen?

 

[hairygrandpa]

I know that var. It looked so pretty in the bottle I almost didn’t want to use it.

Looks like xtasy, LOL

 

[Matthersby]

I'm interested in dionolone enanthate , should I be worried about lactating like with NPP? What about conversion to estrogen?

I don’t think so. It’s like mild tren. You don’t lactate on tren Also do you?

 

[hairygrandpa]

I don’t think so. It’s like mild tren. You don’t lactate on tren Also do you?

Never used tren. Tried Tenavar and had all the Tren sides, like night sweats, insomnia and a short fuse.
Should take some caber with it to be sure, I guess.

 

[Matthersby]

Never used tren. Tried Tenavar and had all the Tren sides, like night sweats, insomnia and a short fuse.
Should take some caber with it to be sure, I guess.

Naw. I can recall any problems. Far Less than just 300 test would give me.
I think the problem with it is people want tren like results so they push dose really high and get tren-rage and insomnia and not a lot better gains.
It’s like a strong mast for me. Stack it well, and it will make you strong for sure and vascular as hell. But if you want to suffer for less results push dose over 550-600. Tren with less tren results .
It’s easy at 400 and will stack with anything well.

 

[Outofbody]

Dienelone ace at 6-700mg got me crazy gains and vascularity! But it’s not needed at that dose. It didn’t give me rage but I was full on manic / impulsive but it was fun

 

[Outofbody]

I’m dry heaving in my bathroom at work right now. Trying to keep it together for 2 more days

 

[Matthersby]

Dienelone ace at 6-700mg got me crazy gains and vascularity! But it’s not needed at that dose. It didn’t give me rage but I was full on manic / impulsive but it was fun

I reeeeeaaaaaaly want to see more out of it this time.
Got 15 weeks at 400mg/week but also stacking with either Trest or NPP and Winnie.
I’m expecting big things.
By itself, I can certainly say, it’s a little bland unless you run it crazy high as you did. But I think it’s a hell of a stacker. It’s like between mast and tren. Just not sure where in between. And it’s not quite as dry as either but still solid

 

[Outofbody]

I reeeeeaaaaaaly want to see more out of it this time.
Got 15 weeks at 400mg/week but also stacking with either Trest or NPP and Winnie.
I’m expecting big things.
By itself, I can certainly say, it’s a little bland unless you run it crazy high as you did. But I think it’s a hell of a stacker. It’s like between mast and tren. Just not sure where in between. And it’s not quite as dry as either but still solid

I ran it with Triumphalis for 8 weeks and then continued for 12 weeks and had bumped the dose to 700mg for that last month

 

[Outofbody]

I've had to run to the bathroom 3x today to dry heave. Thankfully have been holding down my shakes for now, but wow... this is brutal. I wonder what my insides are looking like lol. I have a feeling my insides are going to spill before the day is done, and I still have a big back + arms workout to do today...