Ment (trestolone)

RickyBlobby said:
According to reviews from users it seems like 100mg a week of trest D is like 3-500mg of test.
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Should be far more anabolic though. I'd expect the strength to be somewhere equal but test really is a very weak compound by itself. I think people confuse weight gain with actual muscle tissue.

Trest solo injectible should blow deca and test stacked out of the water. Anywhere above 300mg of trest would be an extremely high dosage which isn't true with other nandrolones.
 
Chados said:
I will, I'll start in 2 weeks approximatelybif everything goes as it should.

Test 3-400
Trest 200
Weekly that is. Trest is so expensive that it's possible i won't add anything else.

Debating wether to run it 10 weeks or just a short 6-8. I have one bottle eq that I could run at 300 for 10 weeks if I want to add something small.
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That source has primo.....if its the source I'm thinking of.
 
SwoleAlchemy said:
Does anyone have any experience running the Trest Deconate? If so, please share your thoughts and experiences. I curios how the long ester effects the characteristics of the drug. I've heard that Tren HEX had lower sides due to the slower release of the drug into the body, and was wondering if the same might be true for Trest Deconate.

Also how strong is it (in the ballpark) compared to test MG for MG. For example how might 500mg of test compare to 100mg a week of Trest Deconate?
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I don’t have experience with the Deca ester but 150mg Trest Ace a week is pretty similar to 500mg of Test except obviously Trest is going to aromatize at a higher rate
 
Zvch said:
I don’t have experience with the Deca ester but 150mg Trest Ace a week is pretty similar to 500mg of Test except obviously Trest is going to aromatize at a higher rate
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Ya I’d agree. For me, energy and libido on 150/TrestA are unmatched compared to any amount of test, but the aromatization is 3x as bad as Test. 300/week Ace is like nothing you’ve ever seen. The amount of muscle you can put on is unreal. But you have to have an Arsenal of tools to combat the nipple problems you’ll run into at that dose. It was costing me about $260/month in ancillaries to run it at that dose.
 
Matthersby said:
Ya I’d agree. For me, energy and libido on 150/TrestA are unmatched compared to any amount of test, but the aromatization is 3x as bad as Test. 300/week Ace is like nothing you’ve ever seen. The amount of muscle you can put on is unreal. But you have to have an Arsenal of tools to combat the nipple problems you’ll run into at that dose. It was costing me about $260/month in ancillaries to run it at that dose.
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So if that’s the case why not run something nearly as anabolic with less sides at a really high dose? Granted, it would be a mix of compounds to try and match that trest effect.
 
what in the holy faulk did you need to spend that kind of money on? 1 mg of anastrozol would have taken care of all your issues. for like... what 50 a month?
I think there is way too much paranoia surrounding trest. if you had issues with prolactin you could have gotten by with otc ****. BTW did you just sh17 the bed when your nipples began to itch so you went full tilt on all ancillaries as a preemptive strike?
 
Old Witch said:
So if that’s the case why not run something nearly as anabolic with less sides at a really high dose? Granted, it would be a mix of compounds to try and match that trest effect.
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Nothing seems quite as anabolic to me. What really works is cruising it with TRT dose and alternating orals every few months.
If I could run anything for maximum muscle:
Test/Trest/SD/Ghrp-6/CJC no DAC/Novolin-R pre workout. 2 months on, drop to cruise for 2, repeat. (Minus the SD which I can barely run 2x a year for more than 5 weeks)

I’d never run it at 300 again, but 100-150 I’ll run for months on end. Gains are just slower but highly maintainable.
 
Matthersby said:
Nothing seems quite as anabolic to me. What really works is cruising it with TRT dose and alternating orals every few months.
If I could run anything for maximum muscle:
Test/Trest/SD/Ghrp-6/CJC no DAC/Novolin-R pre workout. 2 months on, drop to cruise for 2, repeat. (Minus the SD which I can barely run 2x a year for more than 5 weeks)

I’d never run it at 300 again, but 100-150 I’ll run for months on end. Gains are just slower but highly maintainable.
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I mean, no reason not to add dhb or primo to the injectable side of that stack...

But I see your point. Trest is crazy anabolic.
 
I guess to replace or replicate a high dose of trest one would need something like NPP and DHB stacked then at very least..?

I’ve been interested for awhile in the prospect of using trest and dhb without any test or orals and see how that does.
 
Old Witch said:
I guess to replace or replicate a high dose of trest one would need something like NPP and DHB stacked then at very least..?

I’ve been interested for awhile in the prospect of using trest and dhb without any test or orals and see how that does.
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I will Guinea Pig that for sure. People have their theories, but I’ve ran Trest Test-less for almost 6 months. It’s 100% not necessary to have a test base for any reason. Energy, libido, etc etc, it’s better than test. However, I see no need to NOT run test, but there was just a period where I was waiting for a year’s worth of TRT test to come, and it took forever, and once it came I just decided to continue on without it for 4 more months as an experiment. Never had any issues.
 
Chados said:
Should be far more anabolic though. I'd expect the strength to be somewhere equal but test really is a very weak compound by itself. I think people confuse weight gain with actual muscle tissue.

Trest solo injectible should blow deca and test stacked out of the water. Anywhere above 300mg of trest would be an extremely high dosage which isn't true with other nandrolones.
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Ive ran trestolone acetate at 50mg EOD before and then like 20mg ED another time. 100mg per week, would net something but is definitely a lower dose. Many will want more.
 
Matthersby said:
I will Guinea Pig that for sure. People have their theories, but I’ve ran Trest Test-less for almost 6 months. It’s 100% not necessary to have a test base for any reason. Energy, libido, etc etc, it’s better than test. However, I see no need to NOT run test, but there was just a period where I was waiting for a year’s worth of TRT test to come, and it took forever, and once it came I just decided to continue on without it for 4 more months as an experiment. Never had any issues.
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Ive ran it twice, once with cruise test, once with no test. Was good each time.
 
Pleonastic said:
Ive ran it twice, once with cruise test, once with no test. Was good each time.
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I just came off of 6 weeks with Trest Ace 20mg/day running 250mg/Test a week with it. I played around with 10mg/day, 30, 25, 15. I started at 400/week of Test and had to drop it quickly. What sucks about running Trest with a cruise dose of Test is that if you go much higher than 150mg a week of IM Trestolone, the estrogen becomes pretty much uncontrollable. For me anyway. I’ve heard a lot of guys say they can barely control it at that dose. Granted I was taking oral Trest 40-60mg pre-workout on training days, I was needing 0.75mg of Arimidex every day and I was still holding a ton of water. I lost 4 pounds of water the day after I dropped the IM Trest.

But you’re right, at just 150mg a week there are pretty big gains but most people will definitely want more - It’s almost a tease like you see how much the compound is capable of and another 50-100mg would be otherworldly but you just can’t get there.

I never tried it without Test because I feel like I’d fall into the category of one of those guys needs Test to feel good and maintain sex-drive. The need for Test with IM Trestolone seems to vary from person to person from what I’ve read. I don’t know if it’s a one size fits all type thing.
 
ive run over 500 migs a week before, and its got nothing a mg of anastrozol cant handle

I even crashed my estrogen while on trest.. everyone is different but I will always maintain that the horror stories spread about trest are way too overblown
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
ive run over 500 migs a week before, and its got nothing a mg of anastrozol cant handle

I even crashed my estrogen while on trest.. everyone is different but I will always maintain that the horror stories spread about trest are way too overblown
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That’s what I’m saying though - everyone is different. If you can’t control the estrogen, sex drive probably isn’t going to be that good regardless of what you’re running.

500mgs? Are you sure that was actually Trestolone? lol
I’m sure you know better than I do what you were running. If I personally was able to run that much Trest and manage side effects, I’d begin to start questioning the legitimacy of what I was running.
 
yea well ive only ran legit ish . dont make me list em or you might look stupid for saying that. . but alas Ive been using trestolone for 5 yrs. so i understand why you cant handle it.. i couldnt handle much the first time either.

but the whole reason trestolone was studied for a male contraceptive is because of its intristic action that sky rockets libido.. something almost no other aas does.

OW can you dispell the reason for this ability of trest.. its in the papers. i just cant recall the exact reason.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
yea well ive only ran legit ish . dont make me list em or you might look stupid for saying that. . but alas Ive been using trestolone for 5 yrs. so i understand why you cant handle it.. i couldnt handle much the first time either.

but the whole reason trestolone was studied for a male contraceptive is because of its intristic action that sky rockets libido.. something almost no other aas does.

OW can you dispell the reason for this ability of trest.. its in the papers. i just cant recall the exact reason.
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Well... in layman’s terms, it’s hella androgenic. Hahaha libido is a major androgenic side effect.

In more technical terms it has such high binding affinity for androgen receptors in the brain and testes that it increased ejaculation volume and frequency, as well as orgasm quality far beyond what testosterone was found to do... at only about 10mg a day, no ester. At the same time it completely halted the production of sperm.

Unfortunately it was also shown to cause some damage to the testes by the very same mechanism. It also increased the weight of the seminal vesicles and Sertoli cells by a considerable amount. So that’s a reason or two why it isn’t used as a contraceptive, medically.

But that’s longer term usage. If we use it responsibly, this is seriously a non-issue.
 
And for me it’s a non issue anyhow. I’d have had a vasectomy already but I hate the idea of even a tiny snip.
 
Old Witch said:
And for me it’s a non issue anyhow. I’d have had a vasectomy already but I hate the idea of even a tiny snip.
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me too..

but yeah.. in one of the studies they discuss a specific part of the metabolism of trest for which its responsible for libido effects. I want to say its an enzyme produced in the breakdown. but alas its soemthing ive only read in one study
icrc
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
yea well ive only ran legit ish . dont make me list em or you might look stupid for saying that. . but alas Ive been using trestolone for 5 yrs. so i understand why you cant handle it.. i couldnt handle much the first time either.

but the whole reason trestolone was studied for a male contraceptive is because of its intristic action that sky rockets libido.. something almost no other aas does.

OW can you dispell the reason for this ability of trest.. its in the papers. i just cant recall the exact reason.
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Do you want an award for injecting more hormones than me?

Clearly you have a reading comprehension problem in addition to your maturity and temper problems

1) Re-read posts thoroughly before you decide to respond to them. I clearly said in my response that “You know what you were running better than I do”

“If I personally was able to run that much Trest and manage side effects, I would start questioning the legitimacy of what I was running.”

2) I’m not arguing that Trestolone has an enormous impact on sex drive. I was never arguing that. You’re arguing with yourself. I’ve read the studies.

HOWEVER, once again, Trestolone WILL NOT have that have that effect on sex drive if you can not manage the estrogen side effects of the drug like many can’t.

The first response I made to you was to your HUGE generalized statement that “Trest will raise sex drive way higher than Test” which is entirely not true in every case. That’s a giant generalization. There are more factors. Drugs don’t work for everybody the way they work for you. That’s pretty much Hormone 101 stuff so obviously you’re not the expert you think you are.
 
Ive been on trest d with my 100mg trt for a little over 3 months now. About 8-10 weeks at 125mg a week(trest) and recently about 3-4 weeks ago dropped down to about 60mg a week. I have not dosed any AI in about 3 weeks and seem to be fine eith none at this dose. Also, i put on about 10+ pounds at the higher dosed portion and when i dropped doen to 60mg i also astronomically fell off the wagon with diet and training for like 3 weeks and am still at the same weight and body composition at this dose, libido still pretty boosted. Probably about to stop the trest in a week or so but man what a great compound at a low dose for an "enhanced cruise". Overall it felt like about 500mg test id say.
 
I've never ran more than 0.25 arimidex and in bodybuilding forums it's almost a rule to go 0.5. Aromasin I also go half dosage. It's only based on the convinence to do 100 or 50%. You can go 0.2mg aromasin because you couldn't Crack the pill perfectly in half and you'd likely manage a testosteron cycle just as good. There are no perfect dosages but from my own experience and while running some big cycles 1mg of arimidex will crush my estrogen and even 0.5 is quit high.

The problem well end up having is that it's not even known what the perfect amount of raised estrogen is. It's a debate in terms of gains vs sides and both are very over exaggerated in my opinion.

What I do know is that even if you can handle the estro it's most likely too high for it to be beneficial and also friendly with your health.
 
Zvch said:
Do you want an award for injecting more hormones than me?

Clearly you have a reading comprehension problem in addition to your maturity and temper problems

1) Re-read posts thoroughly before you decide to respond to them. I clearly said in my response that “You know what you were running better than I do”

“If I personally was able to run that much Trest and manage side effects, I would start questioning the legitimacy of what I was running.”

2) I’m not arguing that Trestolone has an enormous impact on sex drive. I was never arguing that. You’re arguing with yourself. I’ve read the studies.

HOWEVER, once again, Trestolone WILL NOT have that have that effect on sex drive if you can not manage the estrogen side effects of the drug like many can’t.

The first response I made to you was to your HUGE generalized statement that “Trest will raise sex drive way higher than Test” which is entirely not true in every case. That’s a giant generalization. There are more factors. Drugs don’t work for everybody the way they work for you. That’s pretty much Hormone 101 stuff so obviously you’re not the expert you think you are.
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bwahahahahaaa too funny... your feelers get hurt bro? BTW thanks for rewriting your post a second time.. it really changes my mind on your original statement
 
Chados said:
The problem well end up having is that it's not even known what the perfect amount of raised estrogen is. It's a debate in terms of gains vs sides and both are very over exaggerated in my opinion.

What I do know is that even if you can handle the estro it's most likely too high for it to be beneficial and also friendly with your health.
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I only mess with my estrogen if gyno flares or the water weight is either undesirable or uncomfortable. Other than that, I want as much as the compound has me convert.
 
Steeleydan said:
Ive been on trest d with my 100mg trt for a little over 3 months now. About 8-10 weeks at 125mg a week(trest) and recently about 3-4 weeks ago dropped down to about 60mg a week. I have not dosed any AI in about 3 weeks and seem to be fine eith none at this dose. Also, i put on about 10+ pounds at the higher dosed portion and when i dropped doen to 60mg i also astronomically fell off the wagon with diet and training for like 3 weeks and am still at the same weight and body composition at this dose, libido still pretty boosted. Probably about to stop the trest in a week or so but man what a great compound at a low dose for an "enhanced cruise". Overall it felt like about 500mg test id say.
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150 Ace feels like 600 test to me. I’m thinking of running Trest deco real soon. I’ve cruised Trest with low dose test for 6 months and the gains continue to come. Plus long term it actually cuts you up like you wouldn’t believe. The long term nutrient partitioning effects of Trest make it all the more desirable of a compound. It really is the perfect aas.
 
Matthersby said:
I only mess with my estrogen if gyno flares or the water weight is either undesirable or uncomfortable. Other than that, I want as much as the compound has me convert.
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Well there was this huge debate before that we shouldn't use an ai cause we want estrogen but it's very unlikely it's nessasary to have above a certain level and that likely it does little to nothing for your gains. You want to keep it under control regardless of gyno. It's not established how much estro we want but it is established that we don't need an overload.

Estrogen does cause damage to your body so just as a friendly advice more so than to tell you what to do, don't fall in to the trap that gyno is the sign of too much estrogen.
 
Matthersby said:
150 Ace feels like 600 test to me. I’m thinking of running Trest deco real soon. I’ve cruised Trest with low dose test for 6 months and the gains continue to come. Plus long term it actually cuts you up like you wouldn’t believe. The long term nutrient partitioning effects of Trest make it all the more desirable of a compound. It really is the perfect aas.
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Yup I am certain you won't find any steroid that's more anabolic than trest except the methylated which definitely would suggest more damage to your body than trest. You can go as low as 10mg a day, that's just too low for any other nandrolone.
 
i like a base line of 30 migs for cruizing on trest.. And i agree its ability to cut fat is only second to tren by a tiny tiny amount. at high doses of trest i still get mad night sweats just with out the insomnia
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i like a base line of 30 migs for cruizing on trest.. And i agree its ability to cut fat is only second to tren by a tiny tiny amount. at high doses of trest i still get mad night sweats just with out the insomnia
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Yeah well considering how little it takes, going of a basic nandrolone dosage you'd experience problems. It's just a great compound considering you can avoid sides quite easily while still staying anabolic. You can with go really low on deca or tren but that would be far more optimal for cutting.

I guess any nandrolone will cause night sweats, I doubt most people get them even with tren at 200mg a week.
 
Don’t be surprised when, if you guys who haven’t tried dhb do try it, it causes night sweats at relatively low doses.

So it’s not unique to nandrolones.
 
Chados said:
Well there was this huge debate before that we shouldn't use an ai cause we want estrogen but it's very unlikely it's nessasary to have above a certain level and that likely it does little to nothing for your gains. You want to keep it under control regardless of gyno. It's not established how much estro we want but it is established that we don't need an overload.

Estrogen does cause damage to your body so just as a friendly advice more so than to tell you what to do, don't fall in to the trap that gyno is the sign of too much estrogen.
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I've also heard that estrogen is more suppressive than testosterone, so keeping it low during your cycle aids recovery. Could be complete broscience but it sounds logical enough that having excess estrogen would result in a feedback loop for your hpta to produce less testosterone for it to aromatise from (basically the opposite of what happens when you use a serm for pct).
 
BarryScott said:
I've also heard that estrogen is more suppressive than testosterone, so keeping it low during your cycle aids recovery. Could be complete broscience but it sounds logical enough that having excess estrogen would result in a feedback loop for your hpta to produce less testosterone for it to aromatise from (basically the opposite of what happens when you use a serm for pct).
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This is actually pretty much an accepted medical fact. Far from broscience.

Estrogen also has this funny effect of making androgen receptors more receptive to androgens. So that’s why it should not be eliminated, and may even be somewhat elevated to good effect.
 
mase1 said:
Gonna try low dose trest shortly, anyone use a slin pin? Or too thick oil?
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You could try I don’t have the patience. Got so many Rigs if I have to go SubQ I just swap the pin for a 27-30g. It would suck balls to draw up a ml in slinpins
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i like a base line of 30 migs for cruizing on trest.. And i agree its ability to cut fat is only second to tren by a tiny tiny amount. at high doses of trest i still get mad night sweats just with out the insomnia
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Yup sweaty af, sincerely less aggression(although it’s there)
And it cruises like nothing else. I’ll usually blast it at 150-250tops/week and then after 7-9 weeks, drop down to 75/week. Body comp changes coming in for months to come.
 
I’m all for cautious but if you’re just running it 8 weeks or whatever, I’d definitely run it 20/day. I have ZERO sides or methylestrogen issues at 50/eod.
Probably could slinpin it with our tons of trouble either
 
Yup, slin pin would be fine for a small amount. In fact, for me, they aren’t hard to use for any solution unless the brewer sucks ass and made it thick as hell.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
trestolone will keep your libido far higher than test.
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I tell you what mate, 100 mg of dermatrest had me the horniest I’ve ever been in my life, it was ridiculous! Constantly choking the Chicken and banging the mrs like there’s no tommorrow. It got to point where nothing was even coming out ??
 
solidsnake said:
I tell you what mate, 100 mg of dermatrest had me the horniest I’ve ever been in my life, it was ridiculous! Constantly choking the Chicken and banging the mrs like there’s no tommorrow. It got to point where nothing was even coming out ??
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Take Trest with a little Prami and Cialis and watch what happens. I’m like a different person with the mrs. she calls it the instant porn star combo.
 
Guys please remember, that methyl estrogen is not only s nasty little bitch,
It's clearance time is what will get you. It builds up and doesn't leave the system. Wreaking havoc in your bones. This is why you should be using an ai from the beginning even if you feel like thou don't need it.
 
solidsnake said:
I tell you what mate, 100 mg of dermatrest had me the horniest I’ve ever been in my life, it was ridiculous! Constantly choking the Chicken and banging the mrs like there’s no tommorrow. It got to point where nothing was even coming out ����
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LMFAOOOO
 
Yeah I love the low dose trest ace for aesthetics for summer when at the beach 4-5 days a week problem is the dam insane increase in libido. I have a high libido taking nothing then I introduce that and arguments start, lol. We'll see, that is why I have been slow to get back on it.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
Guys please remember, that methyl estrogen is not only s nasty little bitch,
It's clearance time is what will get you. It builds up and doesn't leave the system. Wreaking havoc in your bones. This is why you should be using an ai from the beginning even if you feel like thou don't need it.
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It’s true. Every time it’s the same. Everything is so good for 4-5 weeks that you barely use your AI, and then it creeps up, and before you know it, you’re downing Ralox/Nolva/Letro, even Prami to get it under control if you didn’t immediately get labs, and it damn takes another month to get those nips back in line...
 
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