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YEah many experienced guys will tell you.... tren isn't worth it if not competing. A lot of people claim tren changed them, like permanently. On the other hand some people feel fine on it. IMO if you have any mental health issues....ANY..... anxiety even, you should probably stay away. Get some trest + mast and possibly some Winnie or epistane mixed in if you wanna go hard.
I get really bad anxiety and was really nervous to try tren for years, but was absolutely fine on it when using it for the first time 2 years ago. So strange! Sex drive was absolutely insane too. I chaffed the goods during that run! I also never experienced the lethargy that folks get on it. The only thing I can think of that's different than others is that I ran it with only a base dose of test (TRT dose). My mood/anxiety/etc was actually very normalized on it as it usually is on most androgens. I tend to feel smoother overall. Only thing that made me kinda manic/crazy was very high dosed dienlone and high dosed desoxy-test.
 
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I'm about to start a trest ace run again, 25mg/day on top of TRT dose of test. My 2nd run with it. Loved it the first time.
 
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I get really bad anxiety and was really nervous to try tren for years, but was absolutely fine on it when using it for the first time 2 years ago. So strange! Sex drive was absolutely insane too. I chaffed the goods during that run! I also never experienced the lethargy that folks get on it. The only thing I can think of that's different than others is that I ran it with only a base dose of test (TRT dose). My mood/anxiety/etc was actually very normalized on it as it usually is on most androgens. I tend to feel smoother overall. Only thing that made me kinda manic/crazy was very high dosed dienlone and high dosed desoxy-test.
Yeah, generally you want very low test and an anabolic dose of tren, or else really really high test, a lot of AI, and an anabolic dose of tren. Otherwise it seems to be much hassle.
 
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I get really bad anxiety and was really nervous to try tren for years, but was absolutely fine on it when using it for the first time 2 years ago. So strange! Sex drive was absolutely insane too. I chaffed the goods during that run! I also never experienced the lethargy that folks get on it. The only thing I can think of that's different than others is that I ran it with only a base dose of test (TRT dose). My mood/anxiety/etc was actually very normalized on it as it usually is on most androgens. I tend to feel smoother overall. Only thing that made me kinda manic/crazy was very high dosed dienlone and high dosed desoxy-test.

Could be you being older worrying more about things. When youre young and dont care about anything i guess in theory would be easier to handle tren.
 
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Could be you being older worrying more about things. When youre young and dont care about anything i guess in theory would be easier to handle tren.
Some people just get stressed easier I think.
 
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Could be you being older worrying more about things. When youre young and dont care about anything i guess in theory would be easier to handle tren.
Oh I worried about tren when I was younger and stayed away from it for years and years, I definitely don't worry about it now! It's now my favorite aas because I don't get those toxic feeling sides at all, makes me feel great and sex drive/function is through the roof, but I'm wondering if it was the prami that did that to me...

I get more sides from NPP than tren, it's weird! It just agrees with me somehow.
 
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Oh I worried about tren when I was younger and stayed away from it for years and years, I definitely don't worry about it now! It's now my favorite aas because I don't get those toxic feeling sides at all, makes me feel great and sex drive/function is through the roof, but I'm wondering if it was the prami that did that to me...

I get more sides from NPP than tren, it's weird! It just agrees with me somehow.
It was the Trest. Prami just kicks it into overdrive even at low low doses. But it’s half life is short enough that it’s sexual sides are mostly gone by morning, so if you noticed it the whole time, you got what virtually everyone that’s used it would describe as a pussy-obsessed porn star sex freak. Nothing can do that like Trest.
 
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It was the Trest. Prami just kicks it into overdrive even at low low doses. But it’s half life is short enough that it’s sexual sides are mostly gone by morning, so if you noticed it the whole time, you got what virtually everyone that’s used it would describe as a pussy-obsessed porn star sex freak. Nothing can do that like Trest.
Oh I was talking about when on tren, my drive is through the roof something fierce – most people don't get this effect. Same with trest though lol.. I become really dominant and aggressive in bed on trest too, on top of the crazy drive.
 
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Oh I worried about tren when I was younger and stayed away from it for years and years, I definitely don't worry about it now! It's now my favorite aas because I don't get those toxic feeling sides at all, makes me feel great and sex drive/function is through the roof, but I'm wondering if it was the prami that did that to me...

I get more sides from NPP than tren, it's weird! It just agrees with me somehow.

I mean worrying about things in life as you get older, kids, women, money, lifestyle, jobs. Average **** that can put you in a stressful situation. Hormones makes you paranoid, anxious etc and when youre superhappy chances are you get even happier, more confidence and the complete reversed when its the other way around
 
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I mean worrying about things in life as you get older, kids, women, money, lifestyle, jobs. Average **** that can put you in a stressful situation. Hormones makes you paranoid, anxious etc and when youre superhappy chances are you get even happier, more confidence and the complete reversed when its the other way around
I hear you. But I actually found the opposite for myself to be true. I have no kids so not worried about supporting them or a family, and I'm at the highest most profitable point of my career right now at my age, so money is less of a concern than it ever used to be when I was younger. At my age, women/relationships are much easier now too, since I have a lot of experience. I'm not getting older, just better, and happier :D
 
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I hear you. But I actually found the opposite for myself to be true. I have no kids so not worried about supporting them or a family, and I'm at the highest most profitable point of my career right now at my age, so money is less of a concern than it ever used to be when I was younger. At my age, women/relationships are much easier now too, since I have a lot of experience. I'm not getting older, just better, and happier :D
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I just started a trest cruise. Coming back from several injuries and taking it slow, but trying to recomp at the same time. Taking 140mg/week, 20mg trest ace daily. Only thing I've cruised on before was either test or EQ, but this should be nice.
 
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I just started a trest cruise. Coming back from several injuries and taking it slow, but trying to recomp at the same time. Taking 140mg/week, 20mg trest ace daily. Only thing I've cruised on before was either test or EQ, but this should be nice.
I’ve cruised Trest 5 months out of each year since mid 2016. 125-150/week, I swear, will yield fantastic results with literally flawless labs. HDL/LDL not bad, H&H/RBC stays in range, BP stays good. I truly believe it’s the most ideal cruising drug out there. And you’ll feel amazing.
Probably the only negative of it, is how sucky it is when you go back to just test alone.
 
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I’ve cruised Trest 5 months out of each year since mid 2016. 125-150/week, I swear, will yield fantastic results with literally flawless labs. HDL/LDL not bad, H&H/RBC stays in range, BP stays good. I truly believe it’s the most ideal cruising drug out there. And you’ll feel amazing.
Probably the only negative of it, is how sucky it is when you go back to just test alone.
Have you had your T levels check while cruising ?
 
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Have you had your T levels check while cruising ?
Yup. Everything. Does almost nothing to them but increase estro. I’ve always found that strange. Unless my test was bunk. But I seem to consistently be 1100-1200 no matter what on 200-250 test.
 
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I’ve cruised Trest 5 months out of each year since mid 2016. 125-150/week, I swear, will yield fantastic results with literally flawless labs. HDL/LDL not bad, H&H/RBC stays in range, BP stays good. I truly believe it’s the most ideal cruising drug out there. And you’ll feel amazing.
Probably the only negative of it, is how sucky it is when you go back to just test alone.
Did you take testosterone during your trest cruises? I'm debating just dropping my test dose for a while (I'm on TRT) just to simplify pinning for the most part lol.. I ran trest for 3 months before with no test and was fine. But that was at a dose of 350mg/week hehe. I'm sure everything will work fine even at 140/week
 
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I’ve done it all.
From a solid amount of experience: Trest does not need Test. At All. All testosterone does is aggravates the estro sides that Trest can give. Testlesss Trest cruises are 100% problem free.
I don’t know if biologically/scientifically there’s something I’m missing that would make Test beneficial while cruising Trest, but from an energy, libido, well being, side effect stand point, it’s honestly slightly superior to running both. Do I do it very often? No, but if I for some reason run out of TRT Test, I don’t think twice cruising Trest as long as I need to until I get my test going again.
 
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Trest is so impressive, you could cruise 75/week with NO test, and have endless energy and libido, and be completely unable to get someone pregnant.
 
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Trest is so impressive, you could cruise 75/week with NO rest, and have endless energy and libido, and be completely unable to get someone pregnant.
Yep. No need for test in my experience. I may not ever touch trest again honestly unless I start running into problems. Even 50mg a week of trest is probably equivalent to 200mg test or more since it doesnt bind to SHBG
 
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Thanks guys. How much AI is needed on 140mg/week you think? I'm basically running half of what I would use on a full cycle of twice as much trest. Thinking 12.5mg exemestane 3x per week, or maybe 2x. I usually go by nips and wood, and adjust.
 
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Probably the only negative of it, is how sucky it is when you go back to just test alone.
I had this problem once, ok maybe 3x. With dienolone ace, it was a problem because I ended up running it at full (high) dose for 5 months. Was one of the most anabolic substances I ran, and endless energy. I bumped my dose just a bit in the last two months and kept getting gains. But the longest I've ever ran something for was 7-8 months (EQ). Trest I ran for 3 months my first time using it. Definitely too long at the dose I ran it at (350mg). These are smarter & healthier days now. :)
 

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I had this problem once, ok maybe 3x. With dienolone ace, it was a problem because I ended up running it at full (high) dose for 5 months. Was one of the most anabolic substances I ran, and endless energy. I bumped my dose just a bit in the last two months and kept getting gains. But the longest I've ever ran something for was 7-8 months (EQ). Trest I ran for 3 months my first time using it. Definitely too long at the dose I ran it at (350mg). These are smarter & healthier days now. :)
LOL.

Dang dude.
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LOL.

Dang dude.
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I forgot that I "cruised" on 500mg/test per week for 2 months after that 5 month dienolone ace run. Didn't want to crash (mentally) or lose gains. No good ha... At least I went off for 5 months before I did a tren ace blast lol.. but yeah these days I'd rather cruise on sustainable amounts and aim for consistency and health (and no more injuries).
 

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I forgot that I "cruised" on 500mg/test per week for 2 months after that 5 month dienolone ace run. Didn't want to crash (mentally) or lose gains. No good ha... At least I went off for 5 months before I did a tren ace blast lol.. but yeah these days I'd rather cruise on sustainable amounts and aim for consistency and health (and no more injuries).
Good deal.
 

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I had this problem once, ok maybe 3x. With dienolone ace, it was a problem because I ended up running it at full (high) dose for 5 months. Was one of the most anabolic substances I ran, and endless energy. I bumped my dose just a bit in the last two months and kept getting gains. But the longest I've ever ran something for was 7-8 months (EQ). Trest I ran for 3 months my first time using it. Definitely too long at the dose I ran it at (350mg). These are smarter & healthier days now. :)
Can you talk more about your experiences with Dien? What did you notice at different doses (good or bad)? Any dien specific advice?
 
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Can you talk more about your experiences with Dien? What did you notice at different doses (good or bad)? Any dien specific advice?
I feel like Dien is user specific. It wasn’t super Anabolic for me, but I barely got it over 500/week. It’s weird because it’s not super dry but you get super vascular. I’m going to give it another go with a different vendor next summer. I had to use Prami a handful of times because of limp noodle once or twice. Just .25 and it was gone in an hour. It’s 10x better than mast and no anxiety. It really is diet Tren. I won’t touch Tren with it being in existence. I’d like to run it at 600 for sure
 
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Can you talk more about your experiences with Dien? What did you notice at different doses (good or bad)? Any dien specific advice?
I'm trying to remember exactly, but I was using it around 500mg/week for a very long recomp. Vascularity was amazing. In the last month or two I increased my dosage to around 700mg/week, which gave me slight mania, but I also blew up a bit in size. This is after running it for 3-4 months already. I was impressed. I ran tianeptine along with it (I use this during all cycles for anxiety/mood) so I can't comment on anxiety. I can't recall if I ran low dose prami with it or not now.
 
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I think that's a good dose for experienced users. Anything over 600mg/week will likely cause mania lol
Ya back when Fueled Passion and a bunch of other guys were experimenting with it, most said once you get over 600, it starts acting like Tren mentally.
 
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I think that's a good dose for experienced users. Anything over 600mg/week will likely cause mania lol
We talking trest still? I've seen guys add 300mg of ace a week to there cycles and put on 20lbs in month.
 

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We talking trest still? I've seen guys add 300mg of ace a week to there cycles and put on 20lbs in month.
But yeah, I was just telling someone how crazy strong IM Trest is (although I haven't ran it yet).
 
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Damn I forgot about the libido on this stuff. It’s intense. Gonna be a fun summer
 
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I’ve done it all.
From a solid amount of experience: Trest does not need Test. At All. All testosterone does is aggravates the estro sides that Trest can give. Testlesss Trest cruises are 100% problem free.
I don’t know if biologically/scientifically there’s something I’m missing that would make Test beneficial while cruising Trest, but from an energy, libido, well being, side effect stand point, it’s honestly slightly superior to running both. Do I do it very often? No, but if I for some reason run out of TRT Test, I don’t think twice cruising Trest as long as I need to until I get my test going again.
Did you find a need for, or use caber/prami on a trest cruise? I have both, but haven't been using it and so far so good. No insomnia, etc. I have a stockpile of caber that I use for sex from time to time lol (to reduce or eliminate the refractory period)
 
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Did you find a need for, or use caber/prami on a trest cruise? I have both, but haven't been using it and so far so good. No insomnia, etc. I have a stockpile of caber that I use for sex from time to time lol (to reduce or eliminate the refractory period)
Not at all.
I don’t think I’ve spoke with or read about anyone that’s actually needed prolactin antagonists on Trest.
Unfortunately the gyno is so bad, most tend to throw everything they can at it to get it under control.
Breast specific SERMs work best
DHT’s work
AIs kinda work
Oddly L-dopa/P5P seems to help more than caber/Prami
 
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Not at all.
I don’t think I’ve spoke with or read about anyone that’s actually needed prolactin antagonists on Trest.
Unfortunately the gyno is so bad, most tend to throw everything they can at it to get it under control.
Breast specific SERMs work best
DHT’s work
AIs kinda work
Oddly L-dopa/P5P seems to help more than caber/Prami
I've started getting insomnia this week and am thinking I need to throw in some inhibit-P into the mix now. Estrogen has been fine, no SERM in use yet but I have a stockpile of ralox and nolva tabs if needed. I have pre-existing gyno too and it usually hurts a bit when I'm on trest but so far so good right now, although I'm also only running 150mg/week as opposed to 300mg/week trest ace like before. Thinking of adding in some low dose NPP and mast.
 
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I've started getting insomnia this week and am thinking I need to throw in some inhibit-P into the mix now. Estrogen has been fine, no SERM in use yet but I have a stockpile of ralox and nolva tabs if needed. I have pre-existing gyno too and it usually hurts a bit when I'm on trest but so far so good right now, althought I'm also only running 150mg/week as opposed to 300mg/week trest ace like before. Thinking of adding in some low dose NPP and mast.
That would be fun. I’ve done those two a bit, plus I stacked dienolone with Trest for a month too.
Nothing will make you look more amazing than an oral DHT or high dose of mast alongside Trest. It’s a magical recomp where you drop bodyfat daily and keep getting bigger. Such a great drug.
 
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That would be fun. I’ve done those two a bit, plus I stacked dienolone with Trest for a month too.
Nothing will make you look more amazing than an oral DHT or high dose of mast alongside Trest. It’s a magical recomp where you drop bodyfat daily and keep getting bigger. Such a great drug.
Crap, I've only got 1 vial of mast prop right now :( was going to low dose it for a few weeks. How about desoxy-test ace as a replacement for the mast? Only problem is that it makes me a bit zany lol.. I've got a decent amount leftover from a previous run that I stopped.
 
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Another DHT option is test cream that I've got tons of. Rubbing test cream on your nads causes a major boost in DHT. It converts heavily to DHT this way.
 
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For orals, I only have Superdrol available at home.
 
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For orals, I only have Superdrol available at home.
You need nothing else. The single most effective stack I’ve ran was 200/Trest 10mg SD. Rapid weight transformations and shredded. Second best was Trest and Msten/Dmz.
 
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Crap, I've only got 1 vial of mast prop right now :( was going to low dose it for a few weeks. How about desoxy-test ace as a replacement for the mast? Only problem is that it makes me a bit zany lol.. I've got a decent amount leftover from a previous run that I stopped.
I’d be curious to see what Desoxy would do with Trest. Sounds like an anxiety riddled mast to me but I know I’m going to eventually try it I’m sure.
 
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You need nothing else. The single most effective stack I’ve ran was 200/Trest 10mg SD. Rapid weight transformations and shredded. Second best was Trest and Msten/Dmz.
Ok awesome, thanks. What was your diet like? Reason I ask is that SD is supposed to be best when carbs are high, but I'm doing keto/IF. Think it'll still work out?

edit: saw some recommedations to increase SD dose to 30mg on refeed days.
 
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Ok awesome, thanks. What was your diet like? Reason I ask is that SD is supposed to be best when carbs are high, but I'm doing keto/IF. Think it'll still work out?

edit: saw some recommedations to increase SD dose to 30mg on refeed days.
Where I’m at now with orals, 10mg straight through is plenty. You could do 20 on workout days or refeed days.

It doesn’t matter if you go bonkers with carbs or zero, you’ll see some great results.
But with how I get on SD, I’d have a hard time not waking up in the middle of the night and eating a pound of fruit snacks. You may get a little low blood sugar here and there. But you’ll be shredded like that.
Trest + low carbs + strong oral DHT = just insane bodyfat loss. You’ll love it.
 
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Where I’m at now with orals, 10mg straight through is plenty. You could do 20 on workout days or refeed days.

It doesn’t matter if you go bonkers with carbs or zero, you’ll see some great results.
But with how I get on SD, I’d have a hard time not waking up in the middle of the night and eating a pound of fruit snacks. You may get a little low blood sugar here and there. But you’ll be shredded like that.
Trest + low carbs + strong oral DHT = just insane bodyfat loss. You’ll love it.
Thanks. I have a bottle of Superdrone (liquivade tech from PP) in my fridge, been there for some years now, but also have a bottle of Mdrol caps from CEL (also fairly old). Think I should go for the liquid? I know that both of them are likely not as strong as they were originally.
 
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Thanks. I have a bottle of Superdrone (liquivade tech from PP) in my fridge, been there for some years now, but also have a bottle of Mdrol caps from CEL (also fairly old). Think I should go for the liquid? I know that both of them are likely not as strong as they were originally.
You’d be surprised. I’d assume 90% if under 10 years old. But it would almost be a good thing with SD. Maybe shoot for 20 on workout days and if you totally feel like ass and lose your appetite, then they are still potent. I’d be tempted to run the CEL since then and LGI always had the best designers. Always seemed stronger to me
 

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