Sorry to here this, Get Well Soon !Been sick for a week and haven’t ate or trained at all. Awesome.
Sorry to here this, Get Well Soon !Been sick for a week and haven’t ate or trained at all. Awesome.
Welcome to the club. Been out of the gym for 4 weeks straight due to pneumonia. Lost roughly 1 rep on major exercises, i believe mk677 helped greatly.Been sick for a week and haven’t ate or trained at all. Awesome.
I just spent 2 weeks in bed with a nasty infection myself, 2 IU GH am and 10 mg mk-677 PM, and I lost next to no muscle mass. Matthersby, if it's an option I would start your GH now or try some mk-677.Welcome to the club. Been out of the gym for 4 weeks straight due to pneumonia. Lost roughly 1 rep on major exercises, i believe mk677 helped greatly.
You guys running gh making me jealous.I just spent 2 weeks in bed with a nasty infection myself, 2 IU GH am and 10 mg mk-677 PM, and I lost next to no muscle mass. Matthersby, if it's an option I would start your GH now or try some mk-677.
So don’t low doseYou guys running gh making me jealous.
i just cant justify the cost for marginal gains of low dose gh over mk677.
8 iu per day or nothingSo don’t low dose
In reality tho isn’t MK close to like 2-3 iu a day. You could work up to a better dose of gh after not too long and have more significant results8 iu per day or nothing
Or you could use straight igf 1. I dont know how reliable those research powders are though.You should see what Lantus can do with IGF. And at a fraction of the cost. But then you need gh anyways so you don’t get fat.
there is a thread over in the igf/gh sub about mk and its effects on igf. I’ve read about it over on ASF as well. If I remember correctly you’ll have higher igf numbers from mk for a time before they drop off and higher serum gh from exogenous gh. I have limited experience with mk and none with gh so I have no real world results to go byPeopple seem to have their igf1 in the 400s on 3 iu of pharmaceutical gh.
I was browsing through some studies the other day and found this:
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It is from this study: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/88/12/5951/2661508
I mean look at those natural igf 1 levels in young men. To me this looks like equivalent of taking 4 iu of gh per day. Considering that exogenous gh is of course suppressive to natural production, wouldnt it be counterproductive for these young men to take anything less than say 5 iu per day? Their natural igf levels reflect that of someone taking 4iu of gh per day.
perhaps mk677 would be a better idea in someone who is young with good levels as, say it increases igf 1 further 40%, which is pretty usual from what i can see, these guys would have their igf1 at 746 ng/ml !! (533 x 1.4).
I think i heard that there were reports of some crazy igf1 numbers from mk677, and imho it could be true, if a young man who already has high igf 1 levels increases his by further 40%.
Crazy
For a time? I didnt think there was significant desensitization even with months of usage. I never saw any evidence of desensitization.there is a thread over in the igf/gh sub about mk and its effects on igf. I’ve read about it over on ASF as well. If I remember correctly you’ll have higher igf numbers from mk for a time before they drop off and higher serum gh from exogenous gh. I have limited experience with mk and none with gh so I have no real world results to go by
Yes it drops off I believe around month 5. MA is recommending an 8 day on 4 day off schedule with it now bc the huge increase you initially see drops off that quicklyFor a time? I didnt think there was significant desensitization even with months of usage. I never saw any evidence of desensitization.
It’s way down the road. The OP had probably 6 months of elevated GH(can’t recall how long) but at one point they started dropping, I believe somewhere in the 100 pages of that thread he talked about needing to cycle it for prolonged periods. Cycle off for a time and go back on.For a time? I didnt think there was significant desensitization even with months of usage. I never saw any evidence of desensitization.
This interests me greatly and i would like to see a proof (dont want to sound rude, i am sincerely interested) of the supposed large increas ein igf 1 during first week.Yes it drops off I believe around month 5. MA is recommending an 8 day on 4 day off schedule with it now bc the huge increase you initially see drops off that quickly
I believe it because I can feel it, next time you run mk (after atleast a month of in my experience) just jump right into 25 mg, and experience the sides of a high GH dose.This interests me greatly and i would like to see a proof (dont want to sound rude, i am sincerely interested) of the supposed large increas ein igf 1 during first week.
i mean hunger and lethargy are intense at the very beginning and drop off with time, so i am not sure whether the igf 1 levels follow the same path of is it just the body getting accustomed to it in another way.
@Mike Arnold could explain it better than I ever could try toThis interests me greatly and i would like to see a proof (dont want to sound rude, i am sincerely interested) of the supposed large increas ein igf 1 during first week.
i mean hunger and lethargy are intense at the very beginning and drop off with time, so i am not sure whether the igf 1 levels follow the same path or is it just the body getting accustomed to it in another way.
Don't think that man, your progress so far says if all! It can be frustrating, but you've done really nice job, one week of being off is not going to take away weeks and weeks of hard work! Keep your head up, and thoughts positive!I’m sincerely stressed out with this week long lay off. Need to get after it, I feel like I took a huge step back
You probably lost any and all progress, and should just quit now without even trying any further. You definitely don’t have what this takes...I’m sincerely stressed out with this week long lay off. Need to get after it, I feel like I took a huge step back
I agree. Give up. Go vegan. Buy cats. Transition to female. Stop wasting our time.You probably lost any and all progress, and should just quit now without even trying any further. You definitely don’t have what this takes...
See, now doesn’t that sound stupid when you read it out loud?? Stop getting in your own head. Everything is fine and you’re still getting jacked.
I think we all got that dysmorphia. We see ourselves in ther mirror everyday so it’s hard to tell we are growing until the end of your cycle and then your like holy ****. But that’s exactly why you got a coach just follow his advice and stick to it. I know we all have our doubts about could I have pushed it further just trust the process and you’ll get there.I’m thrilled that after 8 days I made it to the gym last night. Strength was not too terrible and my deflated chest puffed right back up. Trying to get an idea from coach if we need to prolong the off season or just diet slowly. I genuinely don’t know and my body dysmorphia prevents any realistic ideas.
Stress is a huge factor. I decided to cut my clomid run short because i am a hazard to my environment. Smashed cellphones, smashed rearview screen in my car, all kinds of destroyed objects. And so mean all the time, pissed off at everything.You had a minor catabolic situation that will result in a rebound anabolic situation which is likely going to be bigger considering your gear. Plus GH and SLIN upcoming... Stop stressing and get your cortisol down. If it is time to rest then rest damn it there isn't going to be much in your future!
Such a good description of the “rage” types.Stress is a huge factor. I decided to cut my clomid run short because i am a hazard to my environment. Smashed cellphones, smashed rearview screen in my car, all kinds of destroyed objects. And so mean all the time, pissed off at everything.
I am convinced that "roid rage" comes from elevated estrogen.
Clomid is the only compound that tuns me into a mindless raging idiot. Steroids may give you aggression but it is a different, grounded type of aggression that you control and unleash at will. This is just pure lunacy. PMS type rage, only without crying and emotional states.
Lol exactly the same type of raging fits that i used to laugh at my mother for going through i am experiencing now.
But the worst is how when i have multiple fits of rage i am SIGNIFICANTLY weaker in the gym that evening, also feel sick.
Mental stress drains you and you cant perform.
I am megadosing ashwagandha and valeriana as we speak.
This was me when I listened to those who told me to run it @ 100/100/50/50/2525 or even 50 all the way through, it does the trick @25 and not as bad but even then I was like an irate bitch on occasion!Stress is a huge factor. I decided to cut my clomid run short because i am a hazard to my environment. Smashed cellphones, smashed rearview screen in my car, all kinds of destroyed objects. And so mean all the time, pissed off at everything.
I am convinced that "roid rage" comes from elevated estrogen.
Clomid is the only compound that tuns me into a mindless raging idiot. Steroids may give you aggression but it is a different, grounded type of aggression that you control and unleash at will. This is just pure lunacy. PMS type rage, only without crying and emotional states.
Lol exactly the same type of raging fits that i used to laugh at my mother for going through i am experiencing now.
But the worst is how when i have multiple fits of rage i am SIGNIFICANTLY weaker in the gym that evening, also feel sick.
Mental stress drains you and you cant perform.
I am megadosing ashwagandha and valeriana as we speak.
Clomid makes everyone feel the way I feel every single day? I’m not normal?Testosterone never gave me rage. You do feel aggressive, but in a grounded way as i already described, and you can unleash that aggression consciously in the gym, while sparring etc
Clomid is for me pure lack of patience and irritability.
I think he forgot to put Uncontrollable impatience and irritability... and NO you are not normal! LMOA! None of us are!Clomid makes everyone feel the way I feel every single day? I’m not normal?
You must have been a bi-polar girl then... because that is what clomid reminded me of... Just a lot bigger and stronger after a good cycle. I never was that bad as a teen and I was a hot mess and always in trouble. LOLSimply put, clomid makes you feel 15 again, unstable as fuk.
I had rage issues when i was a teen, up to about 17-18 years old, then it stabilized. But i didnt suffer from depression or sadness, at least i cant remember. Just lack of control.You must have been a bi-polar girl then... because that is what clomid reminded me of... Just a lot bigger and stronger after a good cycle. I never was that bad as a teen and I was a hot mess and always in trouble. LOL
Bro honestly you’re like a different person than you were during that fiasco. It was wildI had rage issues when i was a teen, up to about 17-18 years old, then it stabilized. But i didnt suffer from depression or sadness, at least i cant remember. Just lack of control.
Btw clomid doesnt make me emotional at all during this run, while it did the last time i ran it (during my failed pct attempt in august where i felt terrible and suffered from paranoia and anxiety). Last time i had no rage issues but was depressed. Now i feel great but have raging fits from time to time.
I believe that the reason for why it is not affecting me in the way it did last time is that now i actually have some testosterone in my system.
I think it is a lot more about androgen: estrogen ratios rather than absolute numbers when it comes to the way we feel.
I am thinking it was chronically low t. Ever since i came off my cycle in early june i never went above 125mg of test per week which i believed was 250 mg/ml, but it turns out there is at most 100mg/ml. So i was getting 50mg of actual test e per week at most.Bro honestly you’re like a different person than you were during that fiasco. It was wild
There’s literally too much about that I agree with. I am far more productive when I’m slammed and forced to do things on lunch breaks, on drives, before and after work, and during other activities. Days off are actually the worst for me because I’m not busy enough to be productive.I always found when I am busier I am always more productive. In college, it always felt like I had way too many things to do and not enough time. I always got everything done though. You adapt because you have to. You got this man!
100% agree. I have a day off and it feels like I dont have anything to do so guess what nothing gets done lol Then I have work, bunch of tasks on my plate, the stress piles up, and I just get it done. Boosts confidence and makes you feel like you are doing then right things.There’s literally too much about that I agree with. I am far more productive when I’m slammed and forced to do things on lunch breaks, on drives, before and after work, and during other activities. Days off are actually the worst for me because I’m not busy enough to be productive.
Yes but those days of nothing are great for mental recovery just don't feel guilty for enjoying them. The idea is to not be busy and relax. All of our other days are go, go go and stressful and like you said we get more done in go mode. However sometimes when i just have on thing to do on a down day it won't get done and I have just learned to not let that get to me anymore. I can push myself to get it done on another day.100% agree. I have a day off and it feels like I dont have anything to do so guess what nothing gets done lol Then I have work, bunch of tasks on my plate, the stress piles up, and I just get it done. Boosts confidence and makes you feel like you are doing then right things.
This is so true in corperate America. The person achieving at a high level just gets leveraged furtherIf you need something done you always ask the busiest guy !!
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