masteron e/trestolone ace low dose...first cycle

Drunken Master said:
thanks

how would you design a cycle with low dose trest ace? maybe 8-10 weeks, either trest and something stacked on top of it, or more trest

using epistane or rad with it to enhance the cycle would be convenient. or some prohormones or iconic formulation products. or more trest

keeping trest low and stacking an oral i'm familiar with would possibly reduce risks. and would be less toxic than just running the oral solo
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How would I go about it? I would decide my total weekly dose of Trest Ace and split that up over daily shots with slinpins. The estrogen is a bear on Trest and doing daily shots will be a little more manageable than pinning eod.

I would still use the Masteron with it to help balance out some of the estrogen, but if you were set on using an oral instead then finishing with Epistane is probably the most complimentary from what you have mentioned.

If you are scared of pinning 2cc of oil per week, steroids aren’t going to be for you. At some point you need to just man up and take the jab - you’re only going to feel a pinch.
 
Hyde said:
How would I go about it? I would decide my total weekly dose of Trest Ace and split that up over daily shots with slinpins. The estrogen is a bear on Trest and doing daily shots will be a little more manageable than pinning eod.

I would still use the Masteron with it to help balance out some of the estrogen, but if you were set on using an oral instead then finishing with Epistane is probably the most complimentary from what you have mentioned.

If you are scared of pinning 2cc of oil per week, steroids aren’t going to be for you. At some point you need to just man up and take the jab - you’re only going to feel a pinch.
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i'm not scared

but 2cc would be 400mg masteron, i don't know if that's even strong enough. supposedly thats like a sarm cycle. i could imagine that 400mg masteron and 4 andro for 3 months do nothing.

8 weeks of trest ace at 35-50mg a week sounds a lot more promising. i will treat it with respect, almost with paranoia. i run ralox with it. i think the second cycle is better

i don't think i want to run both
 
Drunken Master said:
i'm not scared

but 2cc would be 400mg masteron, i don't know if that's even strong enough. supposedly thats like a sarm cycle. i could imagine that 400mg masteron and 4 andro for 3 months do nothing.

8 weeks of trest ace at 35-50mg a week sounds a lot more promising. i will treat it with respect, almost with paranoia. i run ralox with it. i think the second cycle is better

i don't think i want to run both
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Okay, don’t run both. It’s just what I would do. I think 400mg of Masteron will definitely get some results, AND it could be combined with other things for even greater potency.

You have gone back and forth every which way at this point. Do what you want.
 
Hyde said:
Okay, don’t run both. It’s just what I would do. I think 400mg of Masteron will definitely get some results, AND it could be combined with other things for even greater potency.

You have gone back and forth every which way at this point. Do what you want.
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do you think it makes a difference whether i use dermacrine or 4 andro?

dermacrine is only 60€ a bottle and i already own one. alpha four us 100€ and i don't own one.

in case of the masteron cycle
 
Drunken Master said:
do you think it makes a difference whether i use dermacrine or 4 andro?

dermacrine is only 60€ a bottle and i already own one. alpha four us 100€ and i don't own one.

in case of the masteron cycle
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I would actually prefer the Dermacrine because it will have a longer half-life and be more estrogenic, while also keeping the neurosteroids high and having a bit of PR interaction when the Pregnenolone converts to some progesterone (which will be better for maintaining joint integrity). And the DHEA will convert to some trace levels of testosterone as well still. Basically just start with the recommended dose and raise or lower it based on how you feel.
 
Hyde said:
I would actually prefer the Dermacrine because it will have a longer half-life and be more estrogenic, while also keeping the neurosteroids high and having a bit of PR interaction when the Pregnenolone converts to some progesterone (which will be better for maintaining joint integrity). And the DHEA will convert to some trace levels of testosterone as well still. Basically just start with the recommended dose and raise or lower it based on how you feel.
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thanks
 
anybody else that wants to chime in. maybe with a different opinion (on masteron or trest). i'm constantly talking to the same 4 people here, if they would tell me the earth was flat i would probably believe it too.


if nobody has any better idea or any other input i will probably start in 2-3 days. is it even worth logging on 400mg masteron...reporting on how i got more vascular and my muscles became harder at week 6 and it went away after the cycle or something like that.

come on...it's lame. anyone here for a trest cycle?

but **** it i'm not up to it anyway. i do my trest cycle when i'm unenmployed and can eat and lift weights all day.
 
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We're all the same, psychologically, we want each cycle to be epic and get the best results and don't want to spin our wheels running subpar cycles.

But in the grand scheme of things...you're likely gonna run lots of cycles. Some will be meh, cos you slacked on diet, etc, some will be really good cos you had everything dialed. Expecting every cycle to be maximal and ideal is unrealistic. Cos there's always the personal factor of what ends up working best for you. I know it's cliche but it's true.

You're at a point where you have some options, so just go for one. Put in all your effort with diet, training, rest. Then let the chips, results, fall where they may. If you end up unhappy with the results we'll that's not all bad, you learnt something. You'll do things different next time. But always remember, you've got years ahead of you trialing this stuff.
 
if i do reaerch on trest elsewhere it seems that most people who got gyno overdosed it. they did like 50mg every day and wondered why they got gyno or couldn't control the sides. i don't think 5-10mg every day for 8 weeks will be overwhelming for me. i really don't....im 33 years old and take drugs since i'm 12 years old.

and nobody answered my question yet, do you usually recover from 8 weeks of trest with clomid and nolva yes or no. and i don't want no stupid answers like "you can mess yourself up forever with an ostarine cycle!!" can you usually recover about normally and hop back on/off a few times for 8 weeks or no. and don't give me "male contraceptive" it's not a male contraceptive.

or how about a 6 week cycle, if 8 weeks of 50mg trest a week will castrate me for the rest of my life

i mean it's probably safer if i use masteron and nothing happens, or if i just use creatin, or water, but i really tend to use trest. i usually take many risks for no reason at all so taking a risk for beeing on a potent substance like trest seems like a no brainer for me
 
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Not one single person in the universe can guarantee you will recover fully after any cycle - if they tell you they can, they are lying. And you will be the one stuck on TRT when you might not have been ready. It’s always a gamble.

It’s WAY more likely you will recover in time, but I know a guy who took 10mg Superdrol for a month and still had no test a year later and has to go on TRT in his 20s. It really happens for some unlucky guys.

What’s most likely is that you will recover most, but not all, of your current natural production after several months. There will possibly be some residual permanent impact with something as aggressive as Trestolone. Maybe you make 600ng/dl now, but will be at 400-500 if you get bloodwork 3 months post cycle. And maybe you will still be in the low 600s like nothing ever happened.
 
Hyde said:
It’s WAY more likely you will recover in time, but I know a guy who took 10mg Superdrol for a month and still had no test a year later and has to go on TRT in his 20s. It really happens for some unlucky guys.
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This was my experience too. I had cycled for years and always recovered well per blood work. Ran high dosed Superdrol and still had serum testosterone in the 100s six months later. I always used PCT back then. Jumped on TRT afterwards.
 
if i do masteron i would do probably do 750mg. but i don't want to inject that much juice. no i'm not scared but 3ml per week IM vs 1ml subq....

or do you think i shouldn't base my decision on beeing uneasy about injecting large quantities of juice?

i bought 19g needles for drawing, can i use them for injecting? i would inject 1ml masteron with them every 3rd day

or should i rather inject 0,1ml trest with 27g needle every day

would you take 0,25mg arimidex every 3 days just in case on trest? i will definitly run ralox

i think i will run the trest and start tomorrow
 
Drunken Master said:
if i do masteron i would do probably do 750mg. but i don't want to inject that much juice. no i'm not scared but 3ml per week IM vs 1ml subq....

or do you think i shouldn't base my decision on beeing uneasy about injecting large quantities of juice?

i bought 19g needles for drawing, can i use them for injecting? i would inject 1ml masteron with them every 3rd day

or should i rather inject 0,1ml trest with 27g needle every day

would you take 0,25mg arimidex every 3 days just in case on trest? i will definitly run ralox

i think i will run the trest and start tomorrow
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You’re scared of injecting X volume but contemplating pinning with a 19g???

No, do not pin with a 19g. If you were in Mexico or something and it’s all you could get and you had a competition or something really important to you then we could talk, but that’s a harpoon & will cause some very real scar tissue with longterm usage.

Your decision-making on dosage is so arbitrary. Like you must use increments of 250mg. Even if you have amps instead of vials, you can buy some cheap sterile vials to transfer the oil to for the next shots coming up in a few days so you can actually pick the weekly dosage you need.
 
Hyde said:
You’re scared of injecting X volume but contemplating pinning with a 19g???

No, do not pin with a 19g. If you were in Mexico or something and it’s all you could get and you had a competition or something really important to you then we could talk, but that’s a harpoon & will cause some very real scar tissue with longterm usage.

Your decision-making on dosage is so arbitrary. Like you must use increments of 250mg. Even if you have amps instead of vials, you can buy some cheap sterile vials to transfer the oil to for the next shots coming up in a few days so you can actually pick the weekly dosage you need.
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i'm not scared. i think it's just more convenient with less volume.

what type of needle should i order in case i would do the masteron

but i already have 27g needles, that's one more reason to do trest
 
Hyde said:
You’re scared of injecting X volume but contemplating pinning with a 19g???

No, do not pin with a 19g. If you were in Mexico or something and it’s all you could get and you had a competition or something really important to you then we could talk, but that’s a harpoon & will cause some very real scar tissue with longterm usage.

Your decision-making on dosage is so arbitrary. Like you must use increments of 250mg. Even if you have amps instead of vials, you can buy some cheap sterile vials to transfer the oil to for the next shots coming up in a few days so you can actually pick the weekly dosage you need.
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the needles are actually 22g not 19g. do you think that's still too big?

my trest needles are 29g with 12mm length. that would be so much more convenient

i would inject the masteron into my delt because i know what it's supposed to feel like from my 2 vaccine shots.
 
Drunken Master said:
i'm not scared. i think it's just more convenient with less volume.

what type of needle should i order in case i would do the masteron

but i already have 27g needles, that's one more reason to do trest
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I love 27g for delts, pecs, even VGs as long as I’m pinning 1cc or less. Moves oil decently still and is super small.

I would consider a 22 for my glutes or VGs, but that’s about it. Personally I don’t go lower than 25g because it works and it’s much more sustainable longterm.

Drunken Master said:
would you take a low dose arimindex right from the start with the trest
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I would, because I know that I aromatize a lot. But you have mentioned low estrogen on 4andro so you may not want to, or keep the dose very low if so. I can’t tell you what you will need, but almost everyone needs some AI with Trest generally.
 
injections are so easy, non violent, and convenient that i really feel bad about avoiding it for so long and doing orals

i thought it would be more like sticking a conventional needle inside your flesh, which would sting a little, but these syringes go inside of your skin like butter
 
oh, well, and my cycle became the following

i started pinning 75mg trest a week which is 0,15ml every day(6 days in right now)

and i added masteron today, which is going to come out as 400mg masteron a week.

but i started the masteron 6 days late, and its enthathe.

how would you manage cycle length in that case? can i go 12 weeks with both so that the masteron can fully kick in and do it's work?

from the 6 days on trest there is nothing to report on
 
AAS kick in as soon as they begin release into the bloodstream. It’s already working, but it will take nearly a month to reach peak blood concentrations at this weekly injection dosage.

You just need to stop Enanthate shots about 3 weeks before you begin you SERM for PCT. I would also discontinue the Trest about 2 weeks prior to the SERM to help give some time to clear the methyl estrogen, which is extremely suppressive and will inhibit PCT, since you have to clear the Mast E anyway during this time.

I would run HCG at 1,000-1,500iu 3x a week for a couple weeks during those 2 weeks prior to starting the SERM.
 
Hyde said:
AAS kick in as soon as they begin release into the bloodstream. It’s already working, but it will take nearly a month to reach peak blood concentrations at this weekly injection dosage.

You just need to stop Enanthate shots about 3 weeks before you begin you SERM for PCT. I would also discontinue the Trest about 2 weeks prior to the SERM to help give some time to clear the methyl estrogen, which is extremely suppressive and will inhibit PCT, since you have to clear the Mast E anyway during this time.

I would run HCG at 1,000-1,500iu 3x a week for a couple weeks during those 2 weeks prior to starting the SERM.
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i can't run hcg because i don't have any and don't know where to get it. the only sources that i know of don't have any hcg (i'm from germany by the way cough, cough)

how long would you go without hcg?
 
I wouldn’t have use Trest personally if I intended to PCT and couldn’t get HCG, but in general when I PCT’d I stopped long esters after 10 weeks of shots, so I would run the Trest through week 11, then begin my SERM after 13 weeks from start of Masteron.

So exactly as I said in above post, just without HCG.

I really think you should try to look for some since you are using Trestolone. It’s the top dog for HPTA suppression and it will be a hard PCT likely even with HCG.
 
Hyde said:
I wouldn’t have use Trest personally if I intended to PCT and couldn’t get HCG, but in general when I PCT’d I stopped long esters after 10 weeks of shots, so I would run the Trest through week 11, then begin my SERM after 13 weeks from start of Masteron.

So exactly as I said in above post, just without HCG.

I really think you should try to look for some since you are using Trestolone. It’s the top dog for HPTA suppression and it will be a hard PCT likely even with HCG.
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What do you mean by hard PCT?

that i will feel like utter crap until the serms kick in and i get better?that would be no problem.

that the PCT doesn't work and i can't get normal, that would be messed up.

i mean, it's not impossible that i can obtain hcg within 12 weeks, but it's also possible that i can't. i'm not very good at this internet stuff. the sources that i know , i stumbled upon on a fluke, and they don't have it
 
Drunken Master said:
What do you mean by hard PCT?

that i will feel like utter crap until the serms kick in and i get better?that would be no problem.

that the PCT doesn't work and i can't get normal, that would be messed up.

i mean, it's not impossible that i can obtain hcg within 12 weeks, but it's also possible that i can't. i'm not very good at this internet stuff. the sources that i know , i stumbled upon on a fluke, and they don't have it
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As you know, or should know, a succesfull HPTA recovery is never guaranteed. It comes down to many things, like individual response, overall health, life style, age, and to the cycle ran and more specifically to cycle lenght, the compounds and the dosing used and achillaries like HCG used. Recovering from Trest is harder, than from most, if not any other gear, like has been said several times in this thread.
 
KvanH said:
As you know, or should know, a succesfull HPTA recovery is never guaranteed. It comes down to many things, like individual response, overall health, life style, age, and to the cycle ran and more specifically to cycle lenght, the compounds and the dosing used and achillaries like HCG used. Recovering from Trest is harder, than from most, if not any other gear, like has been said several times in this thread.
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yeah i know that. i'm not depending on guaranteed anything
 
Drunken Master said:
What do you mean by hard PCT?

that i will feel like utter crap until the serms kick in and i get better?that would be no problem.

that the PCT doesn't work and i can't get normal, that would be messed up.

i mean, it's not impossible that i can obtain hcg within 12 weeks, but it's also possible that i can't. i'm not very good at this internet stuff. the sources that i know , i stumbled upon on a fluke, and they don't have it
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Hard pct as in the pct won’t work to sufficiently restore you to your pre-cycle function. Not as in you will feel bad for a few weeks, like you will feel bad for months or maybe never feel right again.

We have said it from page 1. Trest is the riskiest steroid from an HPTA suppression aspect for someone looking to cycle and not blast/cruise or already on TRT.
 
Drunken Master said:
What do you mean by hard PCT?

that i will feel like utter crap until the serms kick in and i get better?that would be no problem.

that the PCT doesn't work and i can't get normal, that would be messed up.

i mean, it's not impossible that i can obtain hcg within 12 weeks, but it's also possible that i can't. i'm not very good at this internet stuff. the sources that i know , i stumbled upon on a fluke, and they don't have it
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Hard pct as in the pct won’t work to sufficiently restore you to your pre-cycle function. Not as in you will feel bad for a few weeks, like you will feel bad for months or maybe never feel right again.

We have said it from page 1. Trest is the riskiest steroid from an HPTA suppression aspect for someone looking to cycle and not blast/cruise or already on TRT.
 
Hyde said:
Hard pct as in the pct won’t work to sufficiently restore you to your pre-cycle function. Not as in you will feel bad for a few weeks, like you will feel bad for months or maybe never feel right again.

We have said it from page 1. Trest is the riskiest steroid from an HPTA suppression aspect for someone looking to cycle and not blast/cruise or already on TRT.
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and it's not dose dependent? some people do what i do a week ED or EOD

why does nobody sell HCG is this some kind of hot commodity or something

if i don't recover i go to the doctor.and let him deal with it. or i stay on steroids until i run out of money in 10 years. or i just run around with low test as long as i'm over a 100 or 150 i feel normal
 
Drunken Master said:
and it's not dose dependent? some people do what i do a week ED or EOD

why does nobody sell HCG is this some kind of hot commodity or something

if i don't recover i go to the doctor.and let him deal with it. or i stay on steroids until i run out of money in 10 years. or i just run around with low test as long as i'm over a 100 or 150 i feel normal
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It can be dose dependent but the compound still inherently matters, a lot. Trest was dosed at like 3mg per week when it showed effective at making users temporarily sterile. You are taking 25x that amount; no amount of Trest will be “not very suppressive”.
 
I’m not trying to scare you; I have continued to discuss this because I just want to improve your chances of a satisfying cycle and successful recovery.

If you can order some HCG from India or something it should be here before the cycle ends and you can use it. Even the premixed unrefrigerated pharmaceutical stuff I have used from overseas honestly worked obviously and excellently.
 
Hyde said:
I’m not trying to scare you; I have continued to discuss this because I just want to improve your chances of a satisfying cycle and successful recovery.

If you can order some HCG from India or something it should be here before the cycle ends and you can use it. Even the premixed unrefrigerated pharmaceutical stuff I have used from overseas honestly worked obviously and excellently.
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Stupid question. Once you open the premixed hcg does it need to be refrigerated? I'm assuming the answer is yes.
 
I agree with everything that @Hyde @KvanH both said but for what it's worth I have never used hcg ever and I always recovered from my trest cycles. The main thing for me is to dose the serm higher and for longer while tapering it. Example 8 weeks of trest ace requires 50/50/37.5/37.5/25/25/12.5/6.5mg of clomid for me. Followed by 3-6months of completely breaking. It's not easy for most because trest makes you feel like superman if you know what you are doing. One major thing I learned is to avoid this forum while on breaks.
 
KvanH said:
As you know, or should know, a succesfull HPTA recovery is never guaranteed. It comes down to many things, like individual response, overall health, life style, age, and to the cycle ran and more specifically to cycle lenght, the compounds and the dosing used and achillaries like HCG used. Recovering from Trest is harder, than from most, if not any other gear, like has been said several times in this thread.
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i don't know. who can vouch for low dose trest

all the trest reports i've seen go something like "i used 50mg trest ED with letro and ralox and got gyno anyway"

i highly doubt that 75mg trest a week poses a higher risk than for example 500mg test a week
 
Finally pulled the trigger eh? Nice. You will probably want to run trt after this cycle. Especially the way you are gonna be feeling in the coming weeks vs the way you are gonna feel should you choose to PCT. Regardless, enjoy the ride and train hard.
 
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Finally pulled the trigger eh? Nice. You will probably want to run trt after this cycle. Especially the way you are gonna be feeling in the coming weeks vs the way you are gonna feel should you choose to PCT. Regardless, enjoy the ride and train hard.
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thank you very much sir

just out of curiosity, because you said "choose", can i just stay on gear or what? can i stay on gear without getting infertile and without hcg? because i couldn't get my hands on hcg if my life depended on it.

but my gut feeling tells me that it's going to be allright with clomid and nolva, i was always gifted with not needing pct and test base when doing orals, and always recovering good and having good test levels

and i don't think the cycle is as aggressive as the naysayers want to make it out to be. on 75mg trest a week i feel absolutely normal. it doesn't feel like a monster cycle that makes me glow in the dark and castrates me forever and gives me full blown gyno 5 minutes after the first injection like the naysayers claimed it would

i would be open to the idea to stay on gear though. i could afford it at least and would be up to it as far as my lifestyle goes. but i'm also pretty positive that a pct would work
 
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I’d pin the trest ace sub q every day since it is such a small amount. Fertility could be debated day in day out in regards to TRT. I personally know 3 little humans being created by 2 separate persons while on heavy cycles of tren/test/mast/var and methytren on one of them. So honestly, it’s up to the gods on that one. But do your homework as far as TRT goes should you choose that route. But PCT’ing you will lose your gains from this cycle save a lb or two.
 
do you think it would hurt to throw a sarm in the mix? i have so many leftover sarms and nobody would buy them or even take them as a present

after a week i can feel the first effects of the cycle. anger. almost broke my hand punching a cigarette vending machine.

but it's not like i'm agitated all the time. i got a normal heart rate and sleep normally. libido didn't change. the predominant effect is sudden bursts of anger, but only if something bothers me
 
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