masteron e/trestolone ace low dose...first cycle

[Smont]

I don't pay much attention to SARMs but do we have any idea what the oral bio is on any of them yet.

Most of them have a fairly high oral bioavailability, I think s23 is in the 90% range "don't quote me on that". But I've found something weird about them when switching to injectable sarms, they act differently when injected. I'm not talking about them being stronger because of increases in bioavailability. I mean they act like a different compound "from my experience" it's a bit odd.

 

[Smont]

Idk, I mean they work orally just fine (they’re all engineered to be oral medications for convenience/compliance), but many of them lose tissue selectivity above the minute clinical dose ranges when you start getting into bodybuilding and PED ranges. Some of them really shine anabolicly at low doses compared to test, but quickly lose luster when you turn things up.

I can tell you from firsthand experience that LGD4033 does work better injected, but I don’t think that’s inherently the case across the board.

If you dose them like steroids they start to work like steroids and give the side effects of steroids. That seems to be true across the board. 50mg of s23 or lgd ect. Will produce results similar to 50mg of something like Winny or var or tbol.

What ones have you used injectable besides lgd? I can't remember.

I got a bottle of injectable s23 sitting around that I might break into in a few weeks. When I do I'm gonna put the oral and injectable head to head. 50 mg oral on one day and then do 50mg injectable on another day and see how they compare.

You know, in the name of stupidity, I mean science

 

[gphagan1]

Most of them have a fairly high oral bioavailability, I think s23 is in the 90% range "don't quote me on that". But I've found something weird about them when switching to injectable sarms, they act differently when injected. I'm not talking about them being stronger because of increases in bioavailability. I mean they act like a different compound "from my experience" it's a bit odd.

That’s interesting, because I do know some of the oral steroids seem to not be as strong in injectable, and a couple for me act a little different than in oral. I wonder if something in the compound changes in injectable form or maybe the difference in how our body processes it?

 

[Ironpirate]

Most of them have a fairly high oral bioavailability, I think s23 is in the 90% range "don't quote me on that". But I've found something weird about them when switching to injectable sarms, they act differently when injected. I'm not talking about them being stronger because of increases in bioavailability. I mean they act like a different compound "from my experience" it's a bit odd.

That's very interesting, I'm curious as to how your s23 will go. I love dht's but hate the prostate sides I get and from what I read s23 does not have that problem. If I decide to play around with SARMs it's between rad and s23 that I'm considering.

 

[Smont]

That's very interesting, I'm curious as to how your s23 will go. I love dht's but hate the prostate sides I get and from what I read s23 does not have that problem. If I decide to play around with SARMs it's between rad and s23 that I'm considering.

I'm using the oral right now but only as a pre-workout anabolic 4x week.

today I did 20mg or rad 140 and 20mg s23 pre workout before my full body workout. Didn't notice any strength benifit, but did notice better focus, mind muscle connection was strong without trying and got a good pump despite only doing 1 exercise per body part.

 

[Smont]

That’s interesting, because I do know some of the oral steroids seem to not be as strong in injectable, and a couple for me act a little different than in oral. I wonder if something in the compound changes in injectable form or maybe the difference in how our body processes it?

Idk, but if your saying what I think, then I agree. Oral dbol and Winny I thought were stronger then injectable dbol and Winny, I have had ppl tell me injectable SD was weaker then oral SD.

But sarms the opposite, the injectable is stronger.

25mg injectable lgd was noticably better then 25mg oral and I also noticed a slightly different cosmetic effect. Kinda a round full dbol kinda look.

I got a picture somewhere of me on it. makes me look very different than how I look currently.

 

[Hyde]

If you dose them like steroids they start to work like steroids and give the side effects of steroids. That seems to be true across the board. 50mg of s23 or lgd ect. Will produce results similar to 50mg of something like Winny or var or tbol.

What ones have you used injectable besides lgd? I can't remember.

I got a bottle of injectable s23 sitting around that I might break into in a few weeks. When I do I'm gonna put the oral and injectable head to head. 50 mg oral on one day and then do 50mg injectable on another day and see how they compare.

You know, in the name of stupidity, I mean science

Just LGD.

S23 for me still sucked eggs at 50mg orally. Makes you cramp worse than anything out there and absolutely not as strong as something like 50mg Anadrol or Dbol, or even Epistane at 50mg for a more direct comparison.

 

[Smont]

Just LGD.

S23 for me still sucked eggs at 50mg orally. Makes you cramp worse than anything out there and absolutely not as strong as something like 50mg Anadrol or Dbol, or even Epistane at 50mg for a more direct comparison.

What kind of cramps we talking about, that's the last thing I need right now.

 

[Hyde]

What kind of cramps we talking about, that's the last thing I need right now.

Basically just cramping all the time, it’s more difficult to manage hydration/electrolyte balance than any other compound I’ve ever used (and I’ve used S23 twice from two different reputable vendors with the same experiences).

It’s super short half life so just drop it if you find it’s too big a hassle.

 

[Smont]

Basically just cramping all the time, it’s more difficult to manage hydration/electrolyte balance than any other compound I’ve ever used (and I’ve used S23 twice from two different reputable vendors with the same experiences).

It’s super short half life so just drop it if you find it’s too big a hassle.

Ya I'm going pre workout only a few times a week, first thing that happens il drop it. I never had any issues last time up to 30mg so will see what happens.

 

[Drunken Master]

ok i'm 4 weeks in right now. i did 650mg masteron a week, and cut out the trest. and dermacrine

i'm in a deficit and stay the same weight, lose fat slowly(pretty sure), while looking full and having good strength. i think a lot more can't be expected anyway. i had some good workouts.

but i really believe that masteron has strong similiarties to and epistane cycle from the feeling. so that part was accurate.

i've gotten my test today though. should i keep blasting all my masteron and just adding 250mg test, and stay on 250mg test and 650mg masteron until the masteron runs out or should i maybe do something different? what are some options?

 

[Hyde]

You could do that.

A more anabolic option would be to run the test higher, like 3-400mg each per week. This would cause a lot more size and growth than your current no estrogen situation.

 

[Drunken Master]

You could do that.

A more anabolic option would be to run the test higher, like 3-400mg each per week. This would cause a lot more size and growth than your current no estrogen situation.

do you think i should eat more since this is supposed to be a blast, and eat normal again (so on a deficit,with all the working) when i'm back to cruising, or should i just stay in a deficit. i'm fairly lean by i got no six pack or anything so i could go either way

 

[Hyde]

do you think i should eat more since this is supposed to be a blast, and eat normal again (so on a deficit,with all the working) when i'm back to cruising, or should i just stay in a deficit. i'm fairly lean by i got no six pack or anything so i could go either way

Spend your time in a deficit now while drugs are highest - they let you maintain muscle much better while your diet is shedding fat. If you diet on cruise, you will lose much more muscle. That is generally a maintenance time.

 

[Drunken Master]

ok my blast is ending. i was doing sothing like 700 Mast ans 350 test. i was on a deficit like i said and gained definition (veins), and my muscles look alright too, i might have gained a little, maybe it's just fullness.

like i said i had to work all the time, physically. i was gaining some steam on the power side though and had a great string of great workouts for a few weeks.i wasn't eating nearly enough to reach maintainence, but at least a lof of protein. through the end of the blast i ran into some personal problems, i kind of got into a relationship and got back out, i don't know if it was caused by the gear (possibly fueled) but i had a lot of personal problems that cost me to not be that invested in my lifting. i lifted but looking back it wasn't all that.

i'm out of work again, i don't plan on looking for work before summer ends. so the loigcal consquence is focussing on my lifting totally, and cruising on 250mg test for 2 weeks. i might even be bulking. or is bulking on a cruise after a blast not going to cut it?

the mast definitly doesn't do no wonders though in my opinion. comparing it to sarms is pretty fitting. it's not that potent. the orals i planned to take

i don't to any ancillaries anymore since left the trest alone and have no gyno flareups. so yeah it's right. trest is not best