masteron e/trestolone ace low dose...first cycle

Smont said:
They're just going around downvoting whatever they don't agree with because it's not what they wanted to hear.

It seems like if you say something about sarms being suppressive or having negative side effects or needing higher doses of sarms for them to work you're getting down voted by someone with a zero posts lol
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Yep.
@Veezjourney just rolling through, having a good ol' time with the down arrows.
... Yet has offered Zero advice of his own.
Zero posts.
LOL
 
That’s why I just use the app and am clueless about it all. I’m probably negative 1million and zero fux given on this end
 
Renew1 said:
Yep.
@Veezjourney just rolling through, having a good ol' time with the down arrows.
... Yet has offered Zero advice of his own.
Zero posts.
LOL
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Yeah, when ever I receive a down vote or see someone's thought out post getting down voted, I'd just ilke to know why, and since it's likely cause' they disagree, then please voice your opinion. It's kind of how discussions work, typically..
 
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KvanH said:
Yeah, when ever I receive a down vote or see someones thought out post getting down voted, I'd just want to know why, and since it's likely cause' they disagree, then please voice your opinion. It's kind of how discussions work, typically..
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Snowflakes gonna snowflake.
 
Smont said:
On a side note, when the hell did anabolic minds turn into reddit or quora, I been getting a notification every five minutes about someone upvoted or downvote one of my posts. About 90% of the time I won't recognize the name of the member so I'll go click on their name and it'll be someone who was a member for like 6 months with zero post.
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Also, it’s supposed to be a Anabolic forum but every other thread is either about some worthless SARM or some stupid Andro cycle and the most annoying thing talked about is the “test base”.
 
App-only for years now. Could not care less about up/down votes.

People deserve honesty; whether they can handle it or not is there problem
 
Hyde said:
App-only for years now. Could not care less about up/down votes.

People deserve honesty; whether they can handle it or not is there problem
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I just don't like the app. . I've tried it several times....
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BBiceps said:
Also, it’s supposed to be a Anabolic forum but every other thread is either about some worthless SARM or some stupid Andro cycle and the most annoying thing talked about is the “test base”.
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I have a personal vendetta with the term test base lol. Yes I know what they mean, but most of the time I don't think they know what they mean...
 
Renew1 said:
Yep.
@Veezjourney just rolling through, having a good ol' time with the down arrows.
... Yet has offered Zero advice of his own.
Zero posts.
LOL
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I called someone out also and they actually responded they just said "nope". I don't care about the upvote or the downvote it's not like we're winning prizes over here lol. But I'm curious why you would spend 6 months trolling The forum with upvotes and downvotes and never say a word. Don't get me wrong I spent a long time reading before I ever posted. But if you're not posting for 6 months there's a reason and it's because you don't f****** have a clue so if you're going to downvote something can you at least give some substance on what the right answer must have been?
 
Smont said:
I called someone out also and they actually responded they just said "nope". I don't care about the upvote or the downvote it's not like we're winning prizes over here lol. But I'm curious why you would spend 6 months trolling The forum with upvotes and downvotes and never say a word. Don't get me wrong I spent a long time reading before I ever posted. But if you're not posting for 6 months there's a reason and it's because you don't f****** have a clue so if you're going to downvote something can you at least give some substance on what the right answer must have been?
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Exactly.
 
Do two shots of test e, c or sust a week for 12 weeks for your 1st cycle. Wait 2-3 weeks and take clomid at 50mg's daily for four weeks. Thank me later. Save that other **** for later or flush down the toilet.
 
Alright I want to start my cycle. i would have already started it but i need at least a week to gather all the missing information that i still don't have. because you are talking about everything besides what i want to know.

i want the cycle to be a few notches above a sarm cycle or a epistane or halodrol cycle but not so much more, because i started a new job on monday, and i don't want to mess up because of side effects. (if anybody thinks this sounds familiar, yes i already got fired from the last job in the the mill a few days before christmas and started a new one a few days ago)

and i think i'm going to run the cycle at a caloric deficitbecause it's easier to get real cut up to the bone while working. i can do a bulking cycle when i'm unemployed.

So what cycle would you chose with the compounds i have on hand: (masteron e, trest ace)

1. 12 weeks masteron (dosage suggestions please) and 12 weeks of 4 andro or dermacrine. something like lets say 400mg masteron should be a lot stronger than a sarm cycle or not?

8-10 weeks of trest solo, starting at only about 35mg a week and running ralox because of paranoia (thank you smont, i ordered extra ralox because of you), then going up to maybe 50...


or maybe changing my mind and doing a bulking cycle even though i'm working, that would mean i had to eat about 5000 calories in my 2 15 minutes breaks and about 5-6 hours when i'm not at work or sleeping....it isn't impossible, but it's not really going with the flow either
 
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That first paragraph isn't a very good way to get people to help you. Anyway, depending on the sarm, no I don't think 400 mg of Mast would yield more muscle gains, than a proper dose of lgd for example. And defo not as much as Epi or Halo. Out of those options I'd do the Trest+Mast. No idea on dosing, as 19-nors have never been on my radar to use. The possible issues with Trest have been well covered already.
 
5000 calories to bulk? Who is this Ronnie Coleman.

How much do you weigh? I'm 200lbs at the moment. Lifting weights 4-5 days a week, boxing 4-5 days a week and I could start gaining weight at about 3500 calories, you don't need 5000. During the summer when I'm full blown construction work, drenched in sweat all day I still don't need 5000, almost no1 does except for 250lb bodybuilders, super heavyweight strongman ect, maybe some super heavyweight MMA fighters.

5000 calories a day is just gonna get you fat
 
Smont said:
5000 calories to bulk? Who is this Ronnie Coleman.

How much do you weigh? I'm 200lbs at the moment. Lifting weights 4-5 days a week, boxing 4-5 days a week and I could start gaining weight at about 3500 calories, you don't need 5000. During the summer when I'm full blown construction work, drenched in sweat all day I still don't need 5000, almost no1 does except for 250lb bodybuilders, super heavyweight strongman ect, maybe some super heavyweight MMA fighters.

5000 calories a day is just gonna get you fat
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90kg, i work 8 hours and lift stuff all day, i even have to wear a weightlifting belt to work. its just a vague estimation, but i would need a lot of food. i usually eat about 2500-2750 calories when i do nothing (only lift weights and relax) and stay the same weight. i think 5000 calories for bulking isn't a bad estimation
 
KvanH said:
That first paragraph isn't a very good way to get people to help you. Anyway, depending on the sarm, no I don't think 400 mg of Mast would yield more muscle gains, than a proper dose of lgd for example. And defo not as much as Epi or Halo. Out of those options I'd do the Trest+Mast. No idea on dosing, as 19-nors have never been on my radar to use. The possible issues with Trest have been well covered already.
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it's a little tricky with the mast. some swear by it and say it builds quality (some german gym bros who would laugh at you for doing a sarm cycle), and say it's has considerable anabolic effects

and some seem to see it as a weak, ineffective ancillary substance because that's would pro bodybuilders and serious juicers use it for. but that doesn't mean it's not stronger than a sarm cycle, or would build muscle in someone who has never ran anything strong .

i tend to put my trust and believe in the first group, thats why i bought masteron, but i also know that there is a strong possibilty that that stuff doesn't do anything and the other group is right.
 
i could also run an oral for a short time,

maybe 12 weeks of masteron and dermacrine (or alpha four), and the first 4 weeks on a methylated oral. to be on masteron for another 8 weeks should at least help to keep to maintain some of the gains better.

i forgot to say, you can add pro hormones and sarms and things like iconic formulations products to the cycle because i can get them safely without risking my freedom, from a local shop
 
Drunken Master said:
it's a little tricky with the mast. some swear by it and say it builds quality (some german gym bros who would laugh at you for doing a sarm cycle), and say it's has considerable anabolic effects

and some seem to see it as a weak, ineffective ancillary substance because that's would pro bodybuilders and serious juicers use it for. but that doesn't mean it's not stronger than a sarm cycle, or would build muscle in someone who has never ran anything strong .

i tend to put my trust and believe in the first group, thats why i bought masteron, but i also know that there is a strong possibilty that that stuff doesn't do anything and the other group is right.
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I don't think anyone consideres it weak and ineffective, but it's usually mainly used for it's host of other benefits, than direct anabolism. Any anabolism it brings on top of those benefits, is a plus. You asked if 400 mg of Mast should be a lot stronger, than sarms. And I don't think 400 mg of Mast would be more anabolic, than 30 mg of lgd a day. Not to say I promote sarms at all or would choose to run them again myself, but just to answer your question. I've never heard of anyone doing a Mast solo run or having Mast as their main anabolic compound.
 
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KvanH said:
I don't think anyone consideres it weak and ineffective, but it's usually mainly used for it's host of other benefits, than direct anabolism. Any anabolism it brings on top of those benefits, is a plus. You asked if 400 mg of Mast should be a lot stronger, than sarms. And I don't think 400 mg of Mast would be more anabolic, than 30+ mg of lgd a day. Not to say I promote sarms at all or would choose to run them again myself, but just to answer your question. I've never heard of anyone doing a Mast solo run or having Mast as their main anabolic compound.
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I've seen a few older guys use high "ish" doses of masteron with low doses dbol and Winny for cutting cycles. I would have to ask but off the top of my head I think it was something like 600+mast, 25mg dbol daily and 50mg Winny daily. (no testosterone) like 2 weeks out drop the dbol and raise Winny to 100.

These are guys from the old school no testosterone era. There's a guy I know who's probably in his late 60s maybe 70 now? Something like that but masteron and Dbol is his go to. He stops trt when he starts his cycles.

Really odd cycle ideas but he's from that era. Arnold didn't use testosterone in cycles so neither will i lol.

He's not the biggest guy but he's damn near 70 and always in fantastic shape and seems completely healthy so who am I to say anything 🤷.

If it ain't broke don't fix it
 
Smont said:
I've seen a few older guys use high "ish" doses of masteron with low doses dbol and Winny for cutting cycles. I would have to ask but off the top of my head I think it was something like 600+mast, 25mg dbol daily and 50mg Winny daily. (no testosterone) like 2 weeks out drop the dbol and raise Winny to 100.

These are guys from the old school no testosterone era. There's a guy I know who's probably in his late 60s maybe 70 now? Something like that but masteron and Dbol is his go to. He stops trt when he starts his cycles.

Really odd cycle ideas but he's from that era. Arnold didn't use testosterone and cycles so neither will lol.

He's not the biggest guy but he's damn near 70 and always in fantastic shape and seems completely healthy so who am I to say anything 🤷.

If it ain't broke don't fix it
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I've also read about Mast+Winny short cycles to prep for a show or to get shredded for what ever particular event. And I know about the old school Dbol and no test approach. None of them still are Mast solo cycles and I think it's also very rare to choose Mast as your main driver for anabolism.

But yeah anyway, people do Epiandro solo runs too, so it's not like Mast can't be utilized as the main compound. I just think OP's expectations are off.
 
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KvanH said:
I've also read about Mast+Winny short cycles to prep for a show or to get shredded for what ever particular event. And I know about the old school Dbol and no test approach. None of them still are Mast solo cycles and I think it's also very rare to choose Mast as your main driver for anabolism.

But yeah anyway, people do Epiandro solo runs too, so it's not like Mast can't be utilized as the main compound. I just think OP's expectations are off.
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It is rare, and it's definitely not the greatest approach, the little dose of trestolone he has will be the driver of anabolism, not the mast.

I'd be willing to bet you would need over a gram of masteron to use it Solo and see gains
 
Smont said:
It is rare, and it's definitely not the greatest approach, the little dose of trestolone he has will be the driver of anabolism, not the mast.

I'd be willing to bet you would need over a gram of masteron to use it Solo and see gains
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Yeah, Trest would offer anabolism for sure, lol. But he's also contemplating on Mast+4-Andro or Mast+Dermacrine..
 
I would say do the 400 mast e for 12 weeks with Dermacrine & 4AD as the estrogen base. Add a SARM like RAD140 the last 8 weeks if cutting, or LGD if you decide to bulk.

If you really want to get spicy, add a stronger more toxic oral PH/DS like DMZ as well the final 4 weeks to cap it off strong.

I would go with the life situation and do a recomp/cut.

This cycle avoids all of then longterm HPTA or gyno complications Trest can bring and will be fine for either lean gains or a proper cut. It will start very slow & mild but be undeniable when you have reached the final weeks.
 
KvanH said:
I don't think anyone consideres it weak and ineffective, but it's usually mainly used for it's host of other benefits, than direct anabolism. Any anabolism it brings on top of those benefits, is a plus. You asked if 400 mg of Mast should be a lot stronger, than sarms. And I don't think 400 mg of Mast would be more anabolic, than 30 mg of lgd a day. Not to say I promote sarms at all or would choose to run them again myself, but just to answer your question. I've never heard of anyone doing a Mast solo run or having Mast as their main anabolic compound.
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30mg LGD for 12 weeks is not that bad. but also not quite strong enough

i could run the masteron for 12 weeks and stack things on top of it. because at least it's not toxic and has less side effects as trest (i suppose) i think i would feel normal if i use dermacrine. i could use up my sarms and plant 8 weeks of rad 140 into that 12 weeks masteron cycle. or i could also use a toxic prohormone for 4 weeks (which one?)


or i could forget about all of that and just inject 0,1ml trest ace solution every day, which would be about 35mg a week, take raloxifene, and go up to maybe...50-75 for 8-10 weeks, maybe take arimidex. either i die and get gyno or i would have a very easy and effective cycle

that would be way easier

or whats a good trest dose that isn't overwhelming and uncontrollable for me but not that weak either. i have ralox and arimidex on hand and have some PED and drug experience. probably something comparable to 300mg test is what i'm aiming for.
 
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Drunken Master said:
30mg LGD for 12 weeks is not that bad. but also not quite strong enough

i could run the masteron for 12 weeks and stack things on top of it. because at least it's not toxic and has less side effects as trest (i suppose) i think i would feel normal if i use dermacrine. i could use up my sarms and plant 8 weeks of rad 140 into that 12 weeks masteron cycle. or i could also use a toxic prohormone for 4 weeks (which one?)


or i could forget about all of that and just inject 0,1ml trest ace solution every day, which would be about 35mg a week, take raloxifene, and go up to maybe...50-75 for 8-10 weeks, maybe take arimidex. either i die and get gyno or i would have a very easy and effective cycle

that would be way easier

or whats a good trest dose that isn't overwhelming and uncontrollable for me but not that weak either. i have ralox and arimidex on hand and have some PED and drug experience. probably something comparable to 300mg test is what i'm aiming for.
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I think Hyde gave some good suggestions above and I'd go with the Mast+4-Andro+sarm of choice. If underwhelmed at week 7, throw in your favorite DS for the last 4 weeks.

Trest is tricky and tougher to recover from. I said Trest+Mast ealier only, cause' of the 3 options you laid out then, it was the only one to make any sense, imo. You'd be dissapointed on just Mast+E base run.
 
but it's pinning a lot of solution for too little effect. and it might be underwhelming.

can you explain tougher to recover from? can i do trest ace 50mg a week for 8 weeks with a normal serm pct?


i have ralox, caber, clomid, nolva, and arimidex on hand, i know how to detect side effects and i start very low, i think trest is the better choice. can it really be that bad? i would only have to inject 0,1ml a day subq instead of 2ml of masteron a week, and it would be way stronger
 
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Drunken Master said:
but it's pinning a lot of solution for too little effect. and it might be underwhelming.

can you explain tougher to recover from? can i do trest ace 50mg a week for 8 weeks with a normal serm pct?


i have ralox, caber, clomid, nolva, and arimidex on hand, i know how to detect side effects and i start very low, i think trest is the better choice. can it really be that bad? i would only have to inject 0,1ml a day subq instead of 2ml of masteron a week, and it would be way stronger

i don't even know what the inections feel like, this is my first injectable cycle.
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I'm having hard time keeping up what you want to do. I thought the Mast was what you wanted to do the most and that German bodybuilders have said it's strong.

Trest "has been under development for potential use as a male hormonal contraceptive". That is from Wikipedia, but I've seen it mentioned before. Like I said before, 19-nors have not been on my radar to use, so never researched them that deeply and I don't know the actual mechanism, but have seen it said mutliple times by reputable members, how Trest is more damaging to the hpta and creates tougher recovery, than most of orher stuff.
 
KvanH said:
I'm having hard time keeping up what you want to do. I thought the Mast was what you wanted to do the most and that German bodybuilders have said it's strong.

Trest "has been under development for potential use as a male hormonal contraceptive". That is from Wikipedia, but I've seen it mentioned before. Like I said before, 19-nors have not been on my radar to use, so never researched them that deeply and I don't know the actual mechanism, but have seen it said mutliple times by reputable members, how Trest is more damaging to the hpta and creates tougher recovery, than most of orher stuff.
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you should recover from 8 weeks of low dose trest one way or the other.. trest only is better. it's hit or miss. i start at 5mg a day...or should start with more?

what ancillaries are good to tun with low dose trest, to make you feel better, enhance the cycle, lessen side effects, or against gyno? again i'm talking about things like prohormones, iconic formulations products, or the ancillaries i have on handed (ralox,armidex,etc) and sarms, maybe 4 weeks of methylated oral
 
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the injection process differers immensly from both steroids, seems like i would have the masteron at ca. 400-600mg a week to get the effect that i need, and the trest 50-75mg.....mind you, i never injected before. i would have to use a larger syringe for the masteron. and the trest would problably be subq with a tiny syringe. the trest sounds more convenient. even though i should get the job done to inject those 400-600mg masteron IM

that's where the suggestions of german gym bros is flawed, they don't have a problem with injecting 1000mg of masteron a week and get a mild cycle, but that doesn't sound too convenient to me. not yet, in my second cycle yes...
 
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Hyde said:
I would say do the 400 mast e for 12 weeks with Dermacrine & 4AD as the estrogen base. Add a SARM like RAD140 the last 8 weeks if cutting, or LGD if you decide to bulk.

If you really want to get spicy, add a stronger more toxic oral PH/DS like DMZ as well the final 4 weeks to cap it off strong.

I would go with the life situation and do a recomp/cut.

This cycle avoids all of then longterm HPTA or gyno complications Trest can bring and will be fine for either lean gains or a proper cut. It will start very slow & mild but be undeniable when you have reached the final weeks.
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thanks

how would you design a cycle with low dose trest ace? maybe 8-10 weeks, either trest and something stacked on top of it, or more trest

using epistane or rad with it to enhance the cycle would be convenient. or some prohormones or iconic formulation products. or more trest

keeping trest low and stacking an oral i'm familiar with would possibly reduce risks. and would be less toxic than just running the oral solo
 
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Drunken Master said:
can you explain tougher to recover from? can i do trest ace 50mg a week for 8 weeks with a normal serm pct?
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Trest will reduce testosterone production faster and more than almost anything. You’ll get more significant testicular atrophy, which is the thing you need to recover from with your PCT. The worse that is and the longer, the harder it becomes to recover proper function afterward.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
Trest will reduce testosterone production faster and more than almost anything. You’ll get more significant testicular atrophy, which is the thing you need to recover from with your PCT. The worse that is and the longer, the harder it becomes to recover proper function afterward.
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that doesn't answer my question. i already shortened the cycle to 8 weeks. and it's a low dose. i don't think it should be a problem to recover from such a cycle
 
Drunken Master said:
the injection process differers immensly from both steroids, seems like i would have the masteron at ca. 400-600mg a week to get the effect that i need, and the trest 50-75mg.....mind you, i never injected before. i would have to use a larger syringe for the masteron. and the trest would problably be subq with a tiny syringe. the trest sounds more convenient. even though i should get the job done to inject those 400-600mg masteron IM

that's where the suggestions of german gym bros is flawed, they don't have a problem with injecting 1000mg of masteron a week and get a mild cycle, but that doesn't sound too convenient to me. not yet, in my second cycle yes...
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This is your “first injection cycle” and you still are asking the same question a month later. It’s go time! Do the trest, add in 2 more 19nors (this way you can learn as much as possible!), start with halotestin for 4 weeks, then finish with superdrol for 4 weeks. You will be enlightened!
 
SkRaw85 said:
This is your “first injection cycle” and you still are asking the same question a month later. It’s go time! Do the trest, add in 2 more 19nors (this way you can learn as much as possible!), start with halotestin for 4 weeks, then finish with superdrol for 4 weeks. You will be enlightened!
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^This is it^
This cycle actually makes more sense than OP’s original cycle so I vote this is a go!
 
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