LOG: Dienedione + The One: first rodeo since 2019

g0hardorgohom

g0hardorgohom

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Hello!

Some of you may remember me from 2013-2019.

Brief history:

I started training at 2008 and I also competed in deadlift competitions (and one full powerlifting competition also) at 2013-2018.

I was active member here 2013-2017.

I hurt my bicep tendons in weighted chin-ups (+155lbs) at 2018 and those are still bothering me.

I did my last cycle in 2019. I stopped because I was trying to get my wife pregnant and it wasn’t easy. After 2019 my life has been a rollercoaster - mostly in a good way.

Since 2019 I’ve got two beautiful kids and I’ve started two successfull companies. And I’m still married. That’s the good part.

The bad part: I’ve been so busy with kids and work (excuses, I know!) that I haven’t trained much since 2019 and during those 5,5 years I got elevated cholesterol levels (now they’re good, fixing my diet helped) and I became weak and fat.

I went back to the gym in July and of course I had to test my 1RM’s in squat (245lbs), bench press (195lbs) and deadlift (395lbs). I weighted 210lbs back then.

Today (day 1) my morning weight was 202,2lbs and this weeks best weights have been 290lbs in squat, 3x215lbs in close grip bench and 4x310lbs in paused deadlift (pause at 1-2” off the floor).

During my prime I competed in 181lbs and 198lbs weight class and deadlifted 595lbs so it’ll be a long journey to gain back all that lost strength and muscle.

My goal is to get leaner and gain back strength and muscle with the help of muscle memory and anabolics.

Cycle:

Dienedione for 47 days. First two days at 60mg/day, gonna bump it to 90mg at day 3 and if it feels good, I’ll up the dose to 120mg/day for the last 3-4 weeks

The One (D-Plex) for 6 weeks at 75/100/100/100/100/100, starting this at day 6 of the cycle

Cycle support:
TUDCA at 500mg/day
Pure Cycle Protect at recommended dose
SNS Inhibit-P at 1 cap/day, gonna bump it to 2/day if needed
I also have anastrozole, hopefully I won’t need it

PCT:
Clomid at 50/50/25/25
CEL Cloma-Plex at recommended dose

Training:

4 days a week in the gym + 20-25min of low intensity cardio after each session to get those daily steps in

Bench + upper body

Deadlift + lower body

Bench + upper body

Squat + lower body

Diet:

Starting at 2900 kcal at training days 2400 kcal at rest days, gonna adjust if needed. 190g of protein, 80-90g of fat (healthy sources) and rest from carbs

Photos taken today after two meals - looks bad but it’s only one way from here!
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Welcome back!!! I took a hiatus from June 2015 until May of 2023. Then tore a tricep 4th of July weekend 2023, rehabbed and didn’t really hit the gas again until January of this year.
I learned 2 things, muscle memory is real but I am not getting any younger

Congratulations on the 2 kids, healthy marriage, and success in your professional endeavors!
 
Holy smokes, blast from the past!! What's good brother? Really happy to hear about the positive family stuff - two kids is a handful for sure! What ages??

Here to follow along...
 
Segansational said:
Holy smokes, blast from the past!! What's good brother? Really happy to hear about the positive family stuff - two kids is a handful for sure! What ages??

Here to follow along...
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Boy will turn 4 next December and little girl has her first birthday on Friday.

Glad to have you here!
 
Day 2

Morning weight: 203,3lbs (+1,1lbs)

Training session: upper body

1. Close grip bench press, first rep of each set with pause
7x165lbs
7x180lbs
7x185lbs

2. Chin-ups
6x BW

3. Lat pulldown machine, neutral grip
6x220lbs
6x245lbs

4. Close grip incline bench, first rep with pause
7x145lbs

5. Standing shoulder press
7x100lbs

6. Cable row, wide neutral grip
10x135lbs

7. Side lateral machine
10x90lbs

8. DB hammer curl
6x30’s
6x33’s

9. 25 minutes of low intensity cardio

Nothing special to report yet.

I’ll and 20 grams of carbs to my intra workout drink (10 grams of EAA), starting tomorrow as it is deadlift day.

I’ll also start postinh videos after tomorrow’s training session.
 
Day 3

Morning weight: 202,6lbs (+0,4lbs)

Training session: lower body

1. Deadlift with pause
4x330lbs
4x345lbs

2. Paused squat to the bench
3x245lbs
3x255lbs

3. Paused front squat to the bench
3x235lbs

4. DB lunges
21x28’s

Deadlift vid, let me know if it doesn’t work:

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Pretty good session actually. Kids were sick so I had to train at my home gym.

I could’ve added more weights but I’ll play it smart this time so progression won’t stop too soon. I won’t be using belt anytime soon.

No cardio today.
 
Pulls today looked good Glad to see you back at the iron!

I would have advised you to wait another month or two before adding the gear in, give the strength more time to level out so tendons have a moment to catch back up when strength re-gain lulls naturally. You need to be careful with how fast things may be able to progress; leave reps in the tank on everything even as you drive progression.

My son will be 4 in January
 
Glad life is good and congrats on the children. Welcome back as well. As after a 5 year break things could be Waaaaaaaayyyyy worse. You will be back where you left off in no time! I like your train split as well. Looks like something I would do!
 
Hyde said:
Pulls today looked good Glad to see you back at the iron!

I would have advised you to wait another month or two before adding the gear in, give the strength more time to level out so tendons have a moment to catch back up when strength re-gain lulls naturally. You need to be careful with how fast things may be able to progress; leave reps in the tank on everything even as you drive progression.

My son will be 4 in January
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I was thinking similar, gonna have to be really careful cus I would definitely hurt myself diving back in with a cycle. Even just from my cruise to my cycles I usually hurt myself lol
 
Smont said:
I was thinking similar, gonna have to be really careful cus I would definitely hurt myself diving back in with a cycle. Even just from my cruise to my cycles I usually hurt myself lol
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Yeah, that’s what I originally thought but I’ll travel abroad on week 42 and I want to be in decent shape then 🙂

Back in the days when I competed in deadlift meets, I used to leave 1-2 reps in the tank in almost every session (especially in deadlift- and squat days) and that’s what I’m gonna do this time also.

My training routine is quite similar now than what it used to be, with a few tweaks:
  • paused pulls instead of regular pulls, to strengthen my core. At least for the first 4-5 weeks.
  • no wrapped squats
  • only one working set of chin ups or pull ups in upper body session, because this is where I hurt myself. Rest of upper back work will be with machines
  • lots of stretching for legs (something I never used to do)
  • bloodwork 4-6 weeks after PCT
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Yeah, that’s what I originally thought but I’ll travel abroad on week 42 and I want to be in decent shape then

Back in the days when I competed in deadlift meets, I used to leave 1-2 reps in the tank in almost every session (especially in deadlift- and squat days) and that’s what I’m gonna do this time also.

My training routine is quite similar now than what it used to be, with a few tweaks:
  • paused pulls instead of regular pulls, to strengthen my core. At least for the first 4-5 weeks.
  • no wrapped squats
  • only one working set of chin ups or pull ups in upper body session, because this is where I hurt myself. Rest of upper back work will be with machines
  • lots of stretching for legs (something I never used to do)
  • bloodwork 4-6 weeks after PCT
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If you don’t already, I’d suggest a tiny warmup before the work set of chins/pull-ups if you haven’t done another lat movement prior. I do a couple progressively heavier sets of 12 on a lat pulldown with similar grip, then hang for a moment before doing just a couple reps of chin-ups first to get everything warm, loose, and ready to fire.
 
What grip were you pulling with when you got injured? I find a medium width neutral grip (palms facing eachother) to be very forgiving and it's where I'm also strongest. I been doing chins 3x week for almost the past year
 
Smont said:
What grip were you pulling with when you got injured? I find a medium width neutral grip (palms facing eachother) to be very forgiving and it's where I'm also strongest. I been doing chins 3x week for almost the past year
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Underhand grip. After that accident I’ve mostly pulled with neutral or wide overhand grip.
 
Day 5

Morning weight: 206,4lbs (+4,2lbs)

Training session: upper body

1. Incline bench press, first and last rep of each set with pause
7x155lbs
7x160lbs
7x165lbs

2. Wide overhand grip weighted pull-ups
5x 11lbs

3. Lat pull down machine
5x265lbs
5x290lbs

4. Close grip bench press, first rep of each set with pause
6x190lbs
6x195lbs

5. Side lateral machine
10x100lbs
10x100lbs
10x110lbs

6. DB bicep curl
6x33’s
6x35’s

+ 25 minutes of low intensiteetti cardio

I think anabolics are starting to kick in. Good session!

Yesterday was my daughter’s first birthday. I are lot of cakes and pies, that’s why my bodyweight is up.

Vids for you guys:

Incline bench, pull-ups and lat pulldown machine:
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Close grip bench and side lateral machine:
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Digging the old Pale Horse shirt. I think Rhyss has been making some great vids lately; always entertaining.
 
Just reveived good news:

I was in gyno surgery few years ago and it didn’t go well. Now they’ll fix their own mistake at week 43. 🙂
 
Hyde said:
Pulls today looked good Glad to see you back at the iron!

I would have advised you to wait another month or two before adding the gear in, give the strength more time to level out so tendons have a moment to catch back up when strength re-gain lulls naturally. You need to be careful with how fast things may be able to progress; leave reps in the tank on everything even as you drive progression.

My son will be 4 in January
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Yeah I was thinking this as well. Definitely be careful about injury. Especially on dienedione, which is really strong stuff.
 
Day 7

Morning weight: 208,1 lbs (+5,9 lbs)

Training session: lower body

1. Squat, no belt
4x245 lbs
4x265 lbs

2. Front squat, no belt
4x210 lbs

3. Good morning
6x135lbs

4. DB lunges
6x46’s

5. Leg curls
6x70 lbs

6. Core work
5 set

+ 25 minutes of low intensity cardio

Just basic work, Nights are seestynyt now, dienedione has done it for me before. Hopefully sleep won’t be disturbed - it seems that I’m more sensitive to hormones after so many years without them. I’m definitely pulling some water and glycogen now.

Core work and cardio feel great right now. I never used to do those things back in the days.

It’s second day on The One also.

Vid:

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Segansational said:
I've always been curious about The One. Believe it's supposed to be pretty hard on the hairline if I recall.
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Yeah it’s possible because it’s like methylated DHT.

I’m taking it to combat prolactin- and estrogen related side effects of dienedione and to keep libido up.

I’m pretty prone to gyno and sometimes it’s hard for me to sleep while on dienedione, dienolone or tren. I’m ready to drop the dose of dienedione to 60mg/day (and maybe add 10mg of methylstenbolone to the cocktail) If I can’t handle dienedione at 90mg.

Back in the days I used to run it at 120mg/day but it feels somehow stronger now. It almost feels like a first cycle 🙂
 
Day 8

Morning weight: 207,5 lbs (+5,3 lbs)

Training session: upper body

1. Close grip bench press, first and last rep of each set with pause
8x180
8x180
8x185
8x190

2. Neutral grip pull-up
7x BW

3. Lat pulldown machine
7x220
7x265
7x290

4. Close grip incline bench, first and last rep with pause
8x150

5. Standing overhead press
8x100

6. Wide grip cable row
11x135

Side lateral machine
11x100
11x110

8. DB hammer curl
7x30’s
7x33’s

+ cardio

Little progress again.

Neutral grip pull-ups didn’t feel good so from now on I’ll stick with overhand grip.

Nights are sweaty and sleep is not very good. Dienedione is definitely legit.

I’ll try to train 4 days in row now because next weekend I will not train at all, we’ll go to Helsinki with my wife.

Vid:

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Day 9

Morning weight: 207,7 lbs (+5,5 lbs)

Training session: lower body LIGHT

1. Deadlift with pause
5x235
5x290
5x345

2. Squat to the bench
4x180
4x220

3. Front asiat to the bench
4x135
4x180

4. Walking lunges
1 set with bodyweight

5. Leg curls
7x45

6. Core work

+ 25 minutes of low intensiteetti cardio

I felt so beaten up today that I decided to do light training session.

Tomorrow will probably be light session or day off also.

Lots of sleep and food during weekend so I’ll be recovered and refreshed by Monday!
 
g0hardorgohom said:
4-6 hours before bedtime.
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I would move them ~8 hours away from bed and assess. The whole concept of “stable blood levels” necessary for oral use to grow is unfounded. Plenty of people have grown tremendously from even single daily applications of orals, historically.

When you have them interrupting sleep, that is hindering growth & recovery! Meanwhile, if you have to take them all in a tighter window, this actually raises peak blood level exposure - which is MORE anabolic (and more side heavy) than lower peak exposure levels. Spreading out the dose for stabler levels is only for side reduction, but when it’s actually causing a major side (terrible sleep) it makes no sense.

I always spread them out as much as I can, but do not hit your sleep harder than necessary.
 
Day 13

Morning weight: 213,6 lbs (+11,4 lbs)

Gear:
The One 75mg/day
Methylstenbolone 10mg/day
Dropped dienedione and now I’m feeling much better!

Training session: upper body

1. Incline bench press, first and last rep of each set with pause
8x155
8x160
8x165
8x175

2. Pull up, wide overhand grip
6x11

3. Lat pulldown machine
6x265
6x290
6x310

4. Close grip bench press, first rep of each set with pause
7x180
7x190
7x195

5. Side lateral machine
11x100
11x100
11x110

6. DB curl
7x33’s
7x35’s

+ 25 minutes of low intensity cardio

Good session!

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g0hardorgohom said:
Yep.

I loved dien back in the days but now, combined to already difficult nights with two kids, it kicks my ass.
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I put on like 25 or 30lbs on dienedione. Sounds much more fun than it actually was. In many ways it was the harshest compound I've ever taken and by far the hardest recovery. I didn't want to ruin your cycle, but personally I would never run it again unless I was maybe on TRT already.
 
Day 14

Morning weight: 213,0 lbs (+10,8 lbs)

Training session: lower body

1. Squat, no belt
5x265
5x275
5x285

2. Front squat, no belt
5x210
5x220

3. Good morning
7x135

4. DB lunges
7x46’s

5. Leg curls
7x70

6. Core work
5 sets

+ 25 minutes of low intensity cardio

Good session!

Vid:

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Try to hold your air on squats at least for the entire eccentric, then slowly letting it out as you are on the rise and gain leverage. Right now seems like you are dumping your air in the hole, giving up pressure & rigidity.
 
Day 18

Training session: upper body

1. Close grip bench press, first and last rep of each set with pause
9x180
9x190
9x195
9x200

2. Wide overhand grip pull-up
7x BW

3. Neutral grip cable pulldown
3 sets of 8

4. Incline bench press in smith machine
2 sets of 9

5. Standing barbell press
9x105

6. Machine row
1x12

7. DB side lateral raises
2 sets of 12

8. DB hammer curl
8x28’s
8x31’s
8x33’s

Didn’t step on scale today. I also trained in different gym so I didn’t pay attention to weights today, except in close grip bench press. No point IMO because every machine is different.

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Day 19

Training session: lower body

1. Paused deadlift, no belt
6x210
6x275
6x345
6x355
6x365
6x375

+ accessory work for legs and vire

This felt great! I still had plenty left in the tank.

1-2 more sessions of paused deadlifts and then it’s time to go heavy and start doing regular deadlifts.

Vid:
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Day 20

Training session: upper body

1. Incline bench press, first and last rep of each set with pause
9x155
9x160
9x165
9x175
8x180

2. Wide overhand grip pull-up
7x BW

3. Lat pulldown machine
8x265
8x290
7x310
6x330

4. Close grip bench press, first and last rep of each set with pause
8x190
8x195
8x200
7x205

5. Side lateral machine
4 sets of 12 @ 110lbs

6. DB bicep curl
8x30’s
8x33’s
8x35’s

Good session, strength is definitely increasing.

Vid:
 
Day 22

Morning weight: 203,6lbs (+11,4lbs)

Training session: lower body

1. Squat, no belt
6x270
6x275
6x285
5x290 with belt

2. Front squat, no belt
2x220

Knees felt a bit dry. I started taking Black Lion Research Letrone at 2 caps/day two weeks ago because I felt a bit estro-bloated because of dienedione.

Letrone definitely works, gonna drop it to 1 cap/day now.

Something happened during front squat warm ups - I think I somehow strained my upper back. Breathing started to feel painful so I decided to call it a day - gonna go to massage tomorrow, I’m sure it’ll help.

From now on there will be more and shorter sets in squat and deadlift days.

Vid:
 
Sorry to hear about the back pain. Hopefully nothing serious to derail you this early in the process. I see you're back up in weight after a slight drop off when stopping the dien. So seems like the msten is helping similarly at least weight gain wise.
 
Day 24

Weight: still 203,6lbs (+11,4lbs)

Training session: upper body

1. Close grip bench press
6x210, first and last rep with pause
6x215, first and last rep with pause
6x220, first and last rep with pause
6x225, first rep with pause
4x225, every rep with pause

2. Lat pulldown machine
6x290
6x310
6x330
6x330

3. Close grip incline bench press, every rep with pause
9x145
9x150

4. Standing barbell press
10x110

5. Machine row
6x180
6x180
6x180
6x180

6. DB hammer curl
10x24’s
10x28’s
10x30’s

7. Side lateral machine
10x125

Great session! Close grip bench is starting to feel good.

Next week AMRAP with 235-245lbs and tomorrow heavy-ish deadlifts.

Strength is increasing, sleep is good and appetite is good. No side-effects to report ATM.

I took Angel Dust Pump preworkout. Very good stuff.

I test drove Hyundai Ioniq 5 N today. Fun car, Hyundai has done great job with it.

Vid:
 
Training has been going well! I have probably had as many tweaks on frontsquats as anything, honestly. They can bother my upper or lower back, or knees, or loosen a rib if wearing a belt and getting really unlucky. Really high payout movement for me, I like them, but they definitely can bring their own issues at times.
 
Hyde said:
Training has been going well! I have probably had as many tweaks on frontsquats as anything, honestly. They can bother my upper or lower back, or knees, or loosen a rib if wearing a belt and getting really unlucky. Really high payout movement for me, I like them, but they definitely can bring their own issues at times.
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Yeah. This was my first time but massage fixed it! 🙂
 
Day 25

Training session: lower body

1. Deadlift with pause, no best
5x345
5x375

2. Deadlift, no belt
3x375
3x410
3x430
1x440

+ accessory work

Core is not strong enough yet for heavy pulls. My best beltless triple back in the days was with 545.

Gotta keep grinding with those paused pulls and stay away from regular deadlifts for at least two more weeks.

Here is a vid, some back posing in the end. Size is coming back but it’s still long way to go:

 
Day 27

Dropped food two days ago, wanna get leaner!

Morning weight: 211,2lbs (+9lbs)

Training session: upper body

1. Incline bench press, first and last rep of each set set with pause
8x185
8x190
6x190

2. Lat pull down machine
6x310
6x330
6x335

3. Close grip bench press
8x200, first and last rep with pause
8x205, first rep with pause
6x210, every rep with pause

4. DB curl
3x10 with 30’s

5. Side lateral machine
3x10 with 135lbs

Great session! Endurance was good despite dropping carbs.

Vid:
 
Hyde said:
How you feeling about the cycle? Still doing 10mg Msten daily and the One under it?
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Yeah, 75mg of The One and 10mg of M-Sten. I may increase the dose of M-Sten to 20mg/day, not sure yet.

Cycle feels great and so do I! Absolutely no side-effects to report except annoying shin pumps while doing cardio.

Appetite is normal (no up or down), strength is climbing steadily and muscles are growing. I dropped carbs so it’ll be interesting to see how it affects strength gains. I’m definitely losing some water weight already.

Libido is normal also - The One definitely helps with it!

I may do something similar in the future also 🙂
 
Day 29

Training session: lower body

1. Squats, no belt
5x295
5x300
5x305
3x310

+ accessory work

No vids this time but squats felt better than in long time. Probably +330lbs next week.
 
Day 30

Training session: upper body

1. Close grip bench press, first rep of each set with pause
1x250
1x265
1x275
5x245
6x230

2. Lat pulldown machine
5x330
5x355
5x375
5x375

3. Close grip incline press, first and last rep of each set with pause
8x155
8x160

4. Standing barbell press
8x125

5. Machine row
8x220

6. Side lateral machine
2 sets of 12

7. DB hammer curl
2 sets of 12

Good session, strength is still climbing 🙂 Probably 290 at close grip bench next time + working set with 255.

Deadlifts today with old friend who was able to pull 660lbs years ago. Now he has probably 40lbs more muscle than he had back then, it’s interesting to see what he pulls now. I haven’t trained with him since 2018 or 2019.
 
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