Leucine content in Amino IV
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bolt10
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I don't think well disclose because it is a prop blend, but considering how it's formulated on recent research I'd feel it's safe to assume each scoop would have enough leucine to sufficiently spike MPS.
Afi140
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Agreed. Probably 4-5 grams I would guess Edit: actually looking it's a 10-1-1 ratio. Would it not be higher than 5 grams? Not sure but it's at least that I believe.
bolt10
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I'd assume more than 5g per 2 scoops but that's nothing official.
GQNemesis
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15 g is being shared by 13 ingridents, I would guess close to 2g
AMINergO™ Matrix with 10:1:1 BCAA:
L-Leucine, L-Threonine, L-Malate, L-Phenylalanine, L-Lysine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, L-Histidine, L-Methionine **
Amino Ancillary Matrix:
Taurine, α-Hydroxyisocaproic Acid, Lemon Verbena Leaf Extract
AMINergO™ Matrix with 10:1:1 BCAA:
L-Leucine, L-Threonine, L-Malate, L-Phenylalanine, L-Lysine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, L-Histidine, L-Methionine **
Amino Ancillary Matrix:
Taurine, α-Hydroxyisocaproic Acid, Lemon Verbena Leaf Extract
bolt10
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You'd assume 2g of Leucine?.....
bdybldnaam
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Keep in mind it's a 10:1:1 BCAA ratio.
Driven2lift
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Lol
Definitely higher.
Yes there are 13 ingredients but remember that the 10 in that 10:1:1 ratio is leucine
aaronuconn
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I would agree with Bolt.. most likely enough to maximize MPS.
bdybldnaam
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Yes, but also keep in mind that leucine is listed as the first ingredient.
bdcc
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How would that equate to the correct serving size? lol
GQNemesis
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Perhaps you missed the point
13 ingridents of 15g and if it's 10:1 ratio
Leucine can be 1g and other 12 ingridents can divided out to the remaining 14g
Or leucine can be 13g and other 12g can equal out to the remaining 15g
I'm not saying it is or anything just answering OP, in a prop blend can be anything
bdcc
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Edit: never mind. It is not 2g of leucine lol.
bdcc
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You either don't understand labelling laws or you are miscalculating the maths.
If there are 13 ingredients in a 15g blend, there is no way the first ingredient can be 1g.
The first ingredient has to have the highest inclusion by weight therefore no other ingredient can be dosed higher. If leucine was 1g then the maximum dose of the blend could be 12g (there are 12 ingredients in the blend, not 13). We have declared a 10:1:1 ratio so it is impossible that all ingredients in there are at equal dosages which means our leucine content has to be even higher than 15g divided by 12.
This is ignoring if the blend is split into two sections as well as the fact we have declared a 10:1:1 ratio. I am doing this for ease of explanation.
GQNemesis
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Well I wasn't saying exactly the amount of g .. I'm jus giving an example .. I don't have a cal with me but I can break down to 1.5g or sumthing and make it for to 10:1 ratio with decimal points Was just giving a bigger picture brahHow u find out it's not 2g ?You either don't understand labelling laws or you are miscalculating the maths.If there are 13 ingredients in a 15g blend, there is no way the first ingredient can be 1g.The first ingredient has to have the highest inclusion by weight therefore no other ingredient can be dosed higher. If leucine was 1g then the maximum dose of the blend could be 12g (there are 12 ingredients in the blend, not 13). We have declared a 10:1:1 ratio so it is impossible that all ingredients in there are at equal dosages which means our leucine content has to be even higher than 15g divided by 12. This is ignoring if the blend is split into two sections as well as the fact we have declared a 10:1:1 ratio. I am doing this for ease of explanation.
bdcc
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Ok. I am just clarifying that the doses you provided as examples would be impossible.
I can confirm, leucine is not at 2g.
GQNemesis
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Ok. I am just clarifying that the doses you provided as examples would be impossible.
I can confirm, leucine is not at 2g.
Lol I hear ya
Can you confirm more or less ?
Driven2lift
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Based on how it mixes, (leucine not liking to mix and sitting on top or foaming in higher ratios) even in a 24 oz. shaker I am saying no doubt more
fadi
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With no disrespect to PES, and I have high respect for Natty, but not to disclose the BCAA amount on a BCAA product makes no sense.
That is like promoting a protein powder with carbs and fat and not disclosing how much protein in the protein (labels aside since you must disclose it) or creatine blend product that doesn't tell you how much creatine in the creatine blend.
The ratio is appealing, but a ratio is just a ratio specially when loaded with so much else. A decent competitor can perform lab analysis and figure it out so who is it being protected from? BCAAs should be disclosed, the rest can be prop blend.
How many scoops do I need to get 5g of leucine? I love the stuff but if I can't figure out how much I'm getting from it, I need to go back to other clearer options. If this is being promoted as just an Amino blend and not BCAA, then so be it. It has its uses. If it is not a BCAA product and we can move on and buy BCAA products. If it is BCAA product, then how much BCAA in a BCAA product.
That is like promoting a protein powder with carbs and fat and not disclosing how much protein in the protein (labels aside since you must disclose it) or creatine blend product that doesn't tell you how much creatine in the creatine blend.
The ratio is appealing, but a ratio is just a ratio specially when loaded with so much else. A decent competitor can perform lab analysis and figure it out so who is it being protected from? BCAAs should be disclosed, the rest can be prop blend.
How many scoops do I need to get 5g of leucine? I love the stuff but if I can't figure out how much I'm getting from it, I need to go back to other clearer options. If this is being promoted as just an Amino blend and not BCAA, then so be it. It has its uses. If it is not a BCAA product and we can move on and buy BCAA products. If it is BCAA product, then how much BCAA in a BCAA product.
kissdadookie
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There's enough leucine + HICA to signal mTOR in the product most likely (leucine you only need 3 grams to maximize mTOR whilst HICA I've seen the efficacious dose has been 500 mgs).
The question is if there's enough of the other EAAs in the product for MPS.
The question is if there's enough of the other EAAs in the product for MPS.
cbsharpe
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BINGO!
mr.cooper69
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Take 2 scoops for your goals.
That's not a bad idea though, to take the BCAAs out of the blend. I'll see what natty thinks. We certainly have nothing to hide
mr.cooper69
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Until I get confirmation that I can say something, I'll just say that unless you're an absolute mammoth (i.e. ronnie coleman), 2 scoops has enough Leucine and enough HICA for your needs.
If you want an idea of the EAA blend, check the human study was cited in our writeup since it is molded around that
fadi
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Thank you, I love the product and I do trust Natty, it is just makes it easier to know. I am mixing three scopes now, will cut back to two.
Jiigzz
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PES makes quality products with quality dosages. I have zero doubt the leucine and HCA content is sufficient and not just label fluff.
Jiigzz
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PES makes quality products with quality dosages. I have zero doubt the leucine and HCA content is sufficient and not just label fluff.
Jiigzz
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PES makes quality products with quality dosages. I have zero doubt the leucine and HCA content is sufficient and not just label fluff.
mr.cooper69
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Synapsin
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Haha, so excited he had to say it three times.I love your enthusiasm
Jiigzz
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Younglifter16
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2 scoops (one serving) would be more then enough to maximally stimulate PS with that high of a ratio. PES isnt stingy with their prop blends either, check alphamine for proof
Rostam
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Can somebody direct me towards the write up or the study cited above? I can't find them. Thanks in advance.