Lean Xtreme - Relora Version?

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In my opinion, the ingredient profile of Lean Xtreme makes it one of the best cortisol management products around. Yet, would Lean Xtreme not come closer to perfection, if Relora were added to the current blend?
 
MESSPLAY said:
What are the synergistic effects of relora and lean xtreme if you dont mind explaining strategic?
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I was actually thinking of ordering some relora after last year`s stressful classes.

The synergy is basically that Lean Extreme uses 7-OH to control cortisol, and relora is a herbal extract so you would be hitting the cortisol from two angles to really keep it down and maximize the benefits.

Relora (Magnolia extract) is a very interesting compound being non-sedating, DHEA increasing and cortisol decreasing substance. It is great for people with stress or anxiety that leads to high cortisol, or could be used together with something like Lean Xtreme for max cortisol control.
 
jasonschaffin; said:
NOW Relora is cheap on its own.
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This means it should not be bad economics to include it in the blend :D
 
MESSPLAY; said:
What are the synergistic effects of relora and lean xtreme if you dont mind explaining strategic?
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Basically optimization of cortisol management. Like Steveoph explained.
 
I like relora. With it, you'd be controlling cortisol via 3 angles.

With 7-OH you get competitive inhibition of cortisol synthesis via 11BetaHSD1.

5-AT appears to be a strong inhibitor of glucocorticoids. 5-AT also has the positive benefits of increased immune response.

Relora would work well too in combination. It is something that can be used far more often though, and doesn't necessarily need to be cycled as much as a stronger cortisol product (like LX) has to be, which is probably one of the reasons it was excluded. Not sure though.
 
Lanbane; said:
Never used Relora.... would an effective dose take up too much capsule space?
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600mg to 900mg daily.
 
Or you can take Relora by itself for post cycle cortisol control or just general cortisol control, etc. I think Relora by itself would be much better than a steroidal cortisol modulator like 7-OH-DHEA.
 
Relora is one my new favorite staples. Been using it for about 2 weeks now and it has done wonders for anxiety/body recomp. Just sayin..
 
metroba said:
Relora is one my new favorite staples. Been using it for about 2 weeks now and it has done wonders for anxiety/body recomp. Just sayin..
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It's good stuff. Just don't come off of it all at once. I was a dope and stopped taking it at once when $#!+ hit the fan and it wasn't pretty. I'm not saying that there's a withdrawal effect if you forget a day or anything of that matter... I was taking 1500mg per day (500mg 3x/day) and just stopped.
 
which relora brand has been tried with good results?


FOG, did you notice weight gain from the abrupt stop? or you talking psychological? eitherway interesting.
 
comacho said:
which relora brand has been tried with good results?


FOG, did you notice weight gain from the abrupt stop? or you talking psychological? eitherway interesting.
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Hey Comacho. There are a few outside variables (there always are), however, it all started with an Asian woman from a club...
Went to a club + beautiful Asian woman + long night at her place + slept the next day very late + had a falling out with a friend later that night... found myself at living with everything bagged in a hotel... missed 2 days of Relora and all of my stress defenses were pretty much diminished.

The situation was bad enough... HOWEVER... the Relora had been keeping my appetite at bay and it came back with a vengeance. Relora had also been keeping my already 'pi$$ poor' situational anxiety at bay. After suddenly stopping, I found myself having some pretty bad shakes that I haven't had before and chronic insomnia for days...

After 12 days of this and much more exponential stress components feeding off each other and me being basically incapacitated, I signed a deal with the Devil which would begin day 1 of a 50 day methamphetamine trial.
 
I've got NOW Relora - not sure I know what I see with it - but I'm only taking 300 mgs/day right now for the hell of it.

(Don't ask what else I'm on - at least no estrogen inhibitors for once.)
 
jmh80 said:
I've got NOW Relora - not sure I know what I see with it - but I'm only taking 300 mgs/day right now for the hell of it.

(Don't ask what else I'm on - at least no estrogen inhibitors for once.)
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300mg in the morning or at night should keep morning cortisol levels modulated nicely.
 
Force of Green said:
Hey Comacho. There are a few outside variables (there always are), however, it all started with an Asian woman from a club...
Went to a club + beautiful Asian woman + long night at her place + slept the next day very late + had a falling out with a friend later that night... found myself at living with everything bagged in a hotel... missed 2 days of Relora and all of my stress defenses were pretty much diminished.

The situation was bad enough... HOWEVER... the Relora had been keeping my appetite at bay and it came back with a vengeance. Relora had also been keeping my already 'pi$$ poor' situational anxiety at bay. After suddenly stopping, I found myself having some pretty bad shakes that I haven't had before and chronic insomnia for days...

After 12 days of this and much more exponential stress components feeding off each other and me being basically incapacitated, I signed a deal with the Devil which would begin day 1 of a 50 day methamphetamine trial.
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crazy story Kyle,

will you ever take it again at lower dosage?



jmh80 let us know how that works for you



also many interesting magnolol articles on pubmed, i thought they worked the sameway as other anti corts by inhibiting 11bHSD1
 
comacho said:
crazy story Kyle,

will you ever take it again at lower dosage?



jmh80 let us know how that works for you



also many interesting magnolol articles on pubmed, i thought they worked the sameway as other anti corts by inhibiting 11bHSD1
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I don't think I'll be taking it unless I need to. What I 'need' is something that increases dopamine production and provides necessary building blocks for neurotransmitters.

I went onto trueprotein and constructed a nice formula that I dubbed: Neuroactive

2 grams taurine
2 grams tyrosine
2 grams ALCAR
500 mg DL-Phenylalanine
2 grams citrulline malate
1.5 grams betaine hcl

DLPA & tyrosine = great combo for atypical depression alleviation, focus, energy (precursors to dopamine, NE, and thyroxin)
ALCAR = Too many benefits to list, but also stimulates the release of dopamine
taurine = great for energy, well-being, focus, and calms nerves
Citrulline = Additional stamina and endurance, lactic acid buffering and NO potentiating effects
Betaine HCL = Creates a better environment for nutrient absorption
 
Force of Green said:
It's good stuff. Just don't come off of it all at once. I was a dope and stopped taking it at once when $#!+ hit the fan and it wasn't pretty. I'm not saying that there's a withdrawal effect if you forget a day or anything of that matter... I was taking 1500mg per day (500mg 3x/day) and just stopped.
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Im taking it at 1500mg. Actually got the idea from you. I try not to go past 1200 if i dont have to but you are right. There is a withdrawal. I noticed when I miss a dose i get b1tchy and just cant put up with anyone. And when i take it im all better. But Im also reallllly stressed from work so it could be a combination of both.
 
Force of Green said:
300mg in the morning or at night should keep morning cortisol levels modulated nicely.
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I've been doing NOW's Super Cort suppor - 200 mgs of relora. May combine one cap of each before I lift - am thinking that's the biggest cort spike next to first thing in the AM.
 
I take NOW Foods Relora twice daily (first thing in the morning and last thing at night). I always add Ashwagandha to it. Ashwagandha is know to have potent cortisol-control properties, apart from being a prized adaptogen. I do the same when on Lean Xtreme. The other compound that may be worth looking into in this area is Phosphatidyl Serine.
 
So does cortisol kick way up or go into overdrive when you stop taking blockers such as relora? In other words is there a big cortisol rebound?
 
i'm probably going to get on Relora as well. Do a 1 cap in the AM and 1 cap before I go to bed.
 
jmh80 said:
I've been doing NOW's Super Cort suppor - 200 mgs of relora. May combine one cap of each before I lift - am thinking that's the biggest cort spike next to first thing in the AM.
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i like this protocol jmh80......i am sure NUTRA carries the NOW's relora correct? I am 34yrs of age, and I would take a cap when I wake up.....before i lift.....after i lift.

thanks
 
msucurt said:
just curious.....what is your dosage protocol?
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1 cap with breakfast, 1 pre w/ pre w/o meal, 2 post w/o, 1 pre bed

or

1 cap with breakfast, 1 cap pre w/o, 1 cap pre w/o, 1 or 2 caps pre bed

Usually I go with the second choice and only take the 1 before bed but there has been some stressful nights last week where i took 2. Hope this helps you.
 
strategicmove said:
I take NOW Foods Relora twice daily (first thing in the morning and last thing at night). I always add Ashwagandha to it. Ashwagandha is know to have potent cortisol-control properties, apart from being a prized adaptogen. I do the same when on Lean Xtreme. The other compound that may be worth looking into in this area is Phosphatidyl Serine.
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ust got myself two bottles of NOW relora and one bottle of ashwaganda. Been eyeing this up for quite some time now.
 
Australian made said:
ust got myself two bottles of NOW relora and one bottle of ashwaganda. Been eyeing this up for quite some time now.
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It will turn out to be a solid investment! No April Fools joke, bud! It is a combination that I always have around. On some potentially rough nights, I take 2 capsules of NOW Relora and some Ashwagandha. It does not matter if I take IGF-2, PowerFULL, or Somnidren-GH. One of the most compact (potent) Ashwagandha formulas around, by the way, is from Jarrow Formula's. Highly concentrated capsules. Any other one would do, too, as long as it is standardized for 8% withanolide glycoside conjugates and 32% oligosaccharides. :cheers:
 
Nothing beats the Relora/Sensoril combo for stress relief, well-being, anti-anxiety, and additional test boosting via Relora increasing DHEA levels higher and Sensoril stimulating the release of testosterone.
 
Force of Green said:
Nothing beats the Relora/Sensoril combo for stress relief, well-being, anti-anxiety, and additional test boosting via Relora increasing DHEA levels higher and Sensoril stimulating the release of testosterone.
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Yeah! The Jarrow Formulas Ashwagandha is Sensoril. So is the Life Extension one. The Jarrow's one turns out to have more active compounds per capsule. Nice!
 
arizonanewbie said:
I know this is a dumb question, but how does cort control fit into the theory of PCT?
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Your cort is all wacky when you come off a cycle and for a while after that too, at least in my case.

On another note, what do you guys think about stacking Relora while "on"? It may help a lot with lethargy.
 
metroba said:
Your cort is all wacky when you come off a cycle and for a while after that too, at least in my case.

On another note, what do you guys think about stacking Relora while "on"? It may help a lot with lethargy.
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Cycles mess with a ton of things... As far as lethargy, nothing that some tyrosine won't fix and some Relora to take the edge off ;)
 
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