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I wasn't offended by your posts. I do think kratom has some benefits, definitely seems to be great for bridging off of hard opiates. In the reddit kratom subthread, there are lots of folks who are so thankful they found kratom to get off of the rx opiates. I think it's great of used short term or if used very conservatively. I had a pretty rough knee surgery in 2019 where I learned that I needed it replaced. There was alot of trauma. I started using kratom vs taking my prescribed hydros. I used it for a while and then quit. Was off for months and then covid hit and started back up 3 times a day amd then to 4.I'm going to try my best to stay out of this thread since so many of you disagree with me. I feel kratom can be a very beneficial substance when used as intended, but I realize it has addictive potential. To those who are addicted and trying to quit, I apologize if I offended you all in any way.
My posts were more to try and defend the reputation of kratom as a potential life saver (which it can be) than to try and disrespect anyone who is trying to quit kratom.
For those trying to quit, I again, give you the best of luck, and check my formula I posted here for treating withdrawal symptoms.
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I'm going to try my best to stay out of this thread since so many of you disagree with me. I feel kratom can be a very beneficial substance when used as intended, but I realize it has addictive potential. To those who are addicted and trying to quit, I apologize if I offended you all in any way.
My posts were more to try and defend the reputation of kratom as a potential life saver (which it can be) than to try and disrespect anyone who is trying to quit kratom.
For those trying to quit, I again, give you the best of luck, and check my formula.
It sounds like you are trying to self medicate. Take my word for it, I did that for years with any substance I could get my hands on that I thought might help my brain. Finally, after a major life changing trauma, I decided to see a psychiatrist and psychologist and I've never felt better. I found an SSRI that works good and I'm also on a benzo and some other drugs for the anxiety. I HIGHLY recommend you go down that path rather than self medication, but you can lead on a horse to water sometimes, but not make him drink.
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Here are my recommendations for anxiety reducing OTC supplements. It sounds like you've tried some of them, but could benefit with others.:
Finally, I also highly recommend meditation. Using an app like Headspace daily to work on your breathing will help control your anxiety and negative thoughts. Fortune 500 companies are now teaching meditation classes in their businesses, because it's shown to increase cognitive function and has tons of other benefits. It's not a religious thing, it's more like breathing exercises where you just turn off your mind and focus on your breathing and after time it can really help.
- Invalid Link Removed Kava is like herbal Valium. One cap works to get you feeling good, but 2 is also good. It has 30% kavalactones extract which is one of the highest extracts on the market and NOW is one of the safest and most trusted supplement companies out there. I also combo Kava with the next 2 supplements for added benefit. Kava is like herbal Valium. It works great for anxiety, as well as sleep.
- Invalid Link Removed This one isn't so much a mood supplement, but it has fatty acids and tons of choline and inositol - both of which can sort of help depression and anxiety if taken in large enough doses, especially insoitol (see the article I linked at the very bottom for more information), but the main reason I take it with kava is because the kavalactones bind to the fat and make them more orally bioavailable.
- Invalid Link Removed Theanine is great for relaxation, anxiety and sleep. There's tons of good studies on it and they add some decaf green tea extract for added antioxidant benefit. The combo of Kava, Theanine and Lecithin will definitely give you a very strong anti-anxiety benefit.
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- Invalid Link Removed is another great phenibut product. They advertise it as a GH aid, but it's really not for that. It has l-dopa in it and other ingredients that are going to chill you out really well. Just be careful with it, as phenibut can be addictive if you use it everyday.
- Invalid Link Removed - This supplement can be very helpful for depression and anxiety. It contains St. John's Wort, which is prescribed in Germany as an anti-depressant, Holy Basil Extract, Valerian, which attaches to the GABA receptors like a benzodiazepine, 5-HTP which converts to serotonin, GABA itself, which obviously relaxes you, Taurine & L-Theanine which both have some benefits for relaxation and mood.
- Invalid Link Removed - 5HTP converts to serotonin in the brain, so it's essentially doing what SSRIs are doing, just in a different method and in a different way. It's a version of the amino acid tryptophan, which you can also buy Invalid Link Removed. You can take these before bed as they will help you sleep, but you can also take them during the day to relax you and boost your serotonin levels. I'd recommend reading about all the different ingredients on examine.com and seeing which one might be right for you.
- Invalid Link Removed - Pregnenolone is a Invalid Link Removed that was recently approved by the FDA for post partum depression in women, but it can also work for people who are depressed and lonely. They have been Invalid Link Removed and it works great in some people, and some people don't have any benefit.
- Invalid Link Removed - CBD has been shown to have benefits for anxiety at around 300mg. I buy the 83mg from the CBDistillery, which batch tests all their products for purity, quality, and the proper dosages. I recommend the full spectrum CBD that has 0.03% T H C. It works amazing for anxiety if you take about 2ml.
- Invalid Link Removed - Lithium is a well known anti-depressant and natural mineral. This mineral has so many uses, I couldn'teven begin to list them all here. Just read this Invalid Link Removed. You can start off with 5mg and work up to 20mg as long as your kidneys are working (get your blood tests regularly!)
I repeat this. I havent found that its ruining my life In some ways I'm more focused and locked in with the mood and nootropics boost. It's just annoying really. I appreciate the info. I have 5hot, tyrosine, and sam e on deck with ashwagandha as well. I may try some kava or kanna. My doc years ago prescribed lexapro but I didn't want it at the time. I realize now if the other stuff doesn't work maybe I need it. I know the root of my issues which I don't need to bring on here but in addition to pre existing anxiety and likely cumulative ptsd, I have to of stress on a daily basis which exacerbates my anxiety to very uncomfortable levels. Training helps a little bit then its over and the day and stress is back on. I'm having a rough week and some rough weeks ahead. I'm going to try my hardest but in all honesty the green hulk may be calling during this time. I need to overcome it amd just deal with it, I know. I cant say thanks enough this is a great thread.
then I moved to my current nicotine no tobacco pouches that burn like real wintergreen chew and you dont spit. As well as I'm extremely embarrassed to say vape pens. Not the big flute, but the small disposables. This isn another issue that needs to be addressed but one problem at a time, right. 
holy smokes, 70mg of edibles. Yes that would cause a panic attack for sure. It's been many years since I've had d9, so I tried D8 a while ago and was surprised at the effects. I first tried vape cart hybrid and thought it just to be a more potent cbd, so I was surprised at the potency, however, noticeably not as potent as d9. I would actually prefer it over d9. You should try like 10mg. That is perfect. 25 at most. It works great for pain and most important anxiety. 
holy smokes, 70mg of edibles. Yes that would cause a panic attack for sure. It's been many years since I've had d9, so I tried D8 a while ago and was surprised at the effects. I first tried vape cart hybrid and thought it just to be a more potent cbd, so I was surprised at the potency, however, noticeably not as potent as d9. I would actually prefer it over d9. You should try like 10mg. That is perfect. 25 at most. It works great for pain and most important anxiety. 
