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Personally I don't notice much difference in the buzz of a low dose or a high dose other than intensity, same with different strains. I prefer an extract, and I don't have a habit with this stuff, ever have. I have a habit of speedballing Kratom with OTC phenethylamines or cyclohexylamines when I do use it, or lately I am, mainly because of some pain and a lot of work needing doing.

If you can find a product with "dendrobium 10:1" (N-a-DEPEA) and either senegalia or acacia (BMPEA, NBDMPEA), together in it that works best, but a few snoots of Benzedrex or a good preworkout blend works as well for that...
 
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My 20’s were bad, bad, bad. I’m as boring as it gets now though.
Oh god, my teens were my bad years. Drink a bottle of delsym one day, bottle of whisky the next, smoke some meth, smoke some Coke, unprotected sex with random chick I met at a party, take a handful of adderall and some viagra... Ok, I still do that last one sometimes, but with cialis instead.
 
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I’ll be totally honest, you can jump off Kratom at any dose, with simply dxm and loperamide. However, it’s like getting off oxy for suboxone when you get on loperamide, but I’ve found it’s 1000x easier to quickly taper off lopes and use dxm for some of the very minimal wd symptoms and you can be off in 4-6 weeks sometimes. I’m just selfish and don’t want to do it this way, plus I’m bulking and any worse constipation than I have now, will destroy me, and my bodybuilding goals do trump my need to be rid of Kratom. Mega dosing loperamide is at your own demise and discretion but I’ve done it far easier off any drug. I’ve even got off subs with lopes and we’re off lopes 3 months later. Totally free of any opiate at that point. And didn’t need to go anywhere but to Walmart to achieve it.
 
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Any of the kratom addicts kick it?

Like a dumbass I just picked up using it again for the last week, but not too heavily. I’ve mostly stuck in the 7-10 grams a day range. Still, with my history of addiction I’m afraid I’ll experience a little withdrawal when I jump off today or tomorrow. Rather than throwing away what I have left I’ll probably just use it up which means I’ll be done with it tomorrow.

I plan on using NyQuil and valerian root to sleep for the first three days, if I do in fact suffer from insomnia. I know my use was for a short period and the dosing was relatively light but my history of opiate addictions means my body becomes dependent on opioids extremely easily. My guess is I’ll suffer through some anxiety, restlessness (twitching), minor headaches, and difficulty sleeping for about three or four days. When I used kratom for a couple months straight (I’d take a day off here and there but I’d use benzos on those days) the withdrawal was pretty rough and it lasted two weeks. I was also using two to three times as much as I am now.
RickyBlobby Did your taper method work? Just curious. Tapering obviously isn’t an option for me since I’ve barely used and the smartest thing to do is just stop before it spirals into a heavy addiction again.
 
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I actually just went through a four ounce bag of Malay Kratom last month. Stuff was good. I had only had Indo and maeng da before. Have none now. No issues. Though while I had the big bag I had some issues, overdosed by a tad and got sick. Whoops. I usually only take about a teaspoon a day, possibly twice a day, roughly two grams each time. For pain. Yes from training, but also age. My elbows hurt.
 
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Any of the kratom addicts kick it?

Like a dumbass I just picked up using it again for the last week, but not too heavily. I’ve mostly stuck in the 7-10 grams a day range. Still, with my history of addiction I’m afraid I’ll experience a little withdrawal when I jump off today or tomorrow. Rather than throwing away what I have left I’ll probably just use it up which means I’ll be done with it tomorrow.

I plan on using NyQuil and valerian root to sleep for the first three days, if I do in fact suffer from insomnia. I know my use was for a short period and the dosing was relatively light but my history of opiate addictions means my body becomes dependent on opioids extremely easily. My guess is I’ll suffer through some anxiety, restlessness (twitching), minor headaches, and difficulty sleeping for about three or four days. When I used kratom for a couple months straight (I’d take a day off here and there but I’d use benzos on those days) the withdrawal was pretty rough and it lasted two weeks. I was also using two to three times as much as I am now.
RickyBlobby Did your taper method work? Just curious. Tapering obviously isn’t an option for me since I’ve barely used and the smartest thing to do is just stop before it spirals into a heavy addiction again.
After a week straight I'm sure you'll have some slight withdrawal, but I bet your anxiety will be the worst of it. I relapse for a week or 2 way too often and I'm always up against a couple crappy days....but it's nothing like you've dealt with before. Just trying to say dont worry yourself into making it worse. Good luck bro
 
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Any of the kratom addicts kick it?

Like a dumbass I just picked up using it again for the last week, but not too heavily. I’ve mostly stuck in the 7-10 grams a day range. Still, with my history of addiction I’m afraid I’ll experience a little withdrawal when I jump off today or tomorrow. Rather than throwing away what I have left I’ll probably just use it up which means I’ll be done with it tomorrow.

I plan on using NyQuil and valerian root to sleep for the first three days, if I do in fact suffer from insomnia. I know my use was for a short period and the dosing was relatively light but my history of opiate addictions means my body becomes dependent on opioids extremely easily. My guess is I’ll suffer through some anxiety, restlessness (twitching), minor headaches, and difficulty sleeping for about three or four days. When I used kratom for a couple months straight (I’d take a day off here and there but I’d use benzos on those days) the withdrawal was pretty rough and it lasted two weeks. I was also using two to three times as much as I am now.
RickyBlobby Did your taper method work? Just curious. Tapering obviously isn’t an option for me since I’ve barely used and the smartest thing to do is just stop before it spirals into a heavy addiction again.
I’ve tapered down from 6.5 grams, 3x a day to 3 grams, 3x a day. I haven’t tried going lower than 3 but will drop down to 2.5 soon.
So far so good
 

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Most respectfully, I say a 12 step program is usually the only an addict can recover. I know. I am one.
 
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I’ve tapered down from 6.5 grams, 3x a day to 3 grams, 3x a day. I haven’t tried going lower than 3 but will drop down to 2.5 soon.
So far so good
Looks good man. I’m still stuck at 10 grams per dose. A lot of discipline issues but I was making progress toward 7-9 grams per dose, and of course my smoke shop stopped selling the half kilo bags of Blue magic, and I don’t know exactly where to get such large amounts from smoke shops in the area. So of course, the brand I switched to is garbage and I slept like dogshyt last night. Back to 15grams per dose. I feel like, if I get on same brand and stick to it, I could make strides as I was starting to, but the inconsistency of in-stock products is throwing me off. I may have to cold turkey and use loperamide and Dxm, but that’s not a fun ride and is as addictive as suboxone if I don’t taper down stupid quick. And it comes with cardiac risks. Easy to taper though since it doesn’t get you high and you never feel the need to increase the dose for whatever stupid reason I always seem to justify
 
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Try Moon Kratom. Their meng da, green and yellow strains are good and it is really cheap
 
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Looks good man. I’m still stuck at 10 grams per dose. A lot of discipline issues but I was making progress toward 7-9 grams per dose, and of course my smoke shop stopped selling the half kilo bags of Blue magic, and I don’t know exactly where to get such large amounts from smoke shops in the area. So of course, the brand I switched to is garbage and I slept like dogshyt last night. Back to 15grams per dose. I feel like, if I get on same brand and stick to it, I could make strides as I was starting to, but the inconsistency of in-stock products is throwing me off. I may have to cold turkey and use loperamide and Dxm, but that’s not a fun ride and is as addictive as suboxone if I don’t taper down stupid quick. And it comes with cardiac risks. Easy to taper though since it doesn’t get you high and you never feel the need to increase the dose for whatever stupid reason I always seem to justify
Why not just order from a good seller online it's so much cheaper and the quality is better
 
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Well I had 8.5 grams left so I just took 5 and threw away the rest. I didn’t wanna take it all cause that would be a huge dose and I didn’t want to leave only 3.5 grams for tomorrow cause that would just be a tease. Plus I’m going to a concert tomorrow which means I’ll be drinking beer and that combo always dehydrated the shyt out of me and causes terrible hangovers.

Well, I can feel it. I know I’m not lying to myself this time when I say I’m done with kratom. I was doing really good at staying away up until this point. I’m going to try not to psych myself out and instead tell myself I didn’t use enough to suffer withdrawals and I’ll be fine. Good luck to everyone on their tapers and cold turkeys.
 
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Well I had 8.5 grams left so I just took 5 and threw away the rest. I didn’t wanna take it all cause that would be a huge dose and I didn’t want to leave only 3.5 grams for tomorrow cause that would just be a tease. Plus I’m going to a concert tomorrow which means I’ll be drinking beer and that combo always dehydrated the shyt out of me and causes terrible hangovers.

Well, I can feel it. I know I’m not lying to myself this time when I say I’m done with kratom. I was doing really good at staying away up until this point. I’m going to try not to psych myself out and instead tell myself I didn’t use enough to suffer withdrawals and I’ll be fine. Good luck to everyone on their tapers and cold turkeys.
 
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Why not just order from a good seller online it's so much cheaper and the quality is better
Ya, I guess I haven’t looked into it enough with the convenience of picking it up as I need it. Plus kilo or 1/2 kilo wasn’t too pricey and would probably be hella expensive to ship that amount especially capsulized.
 
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You guys must really have iron stomachs taking so much Kratom at once. I'd hurl.

Then again I can take **** like Msten, DMZ, m1t, m1a without test with no issues eating and ****ing through the whole thing. So I guess its an even trade?
 

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With all the respect for you guys, I am an addict and the only thing that worked for me is a 12 step program. I highly suggest going to a AA or NA (Narcotics Anonomous) meeting. It does not matter which meeting you go to - the support you need will be their. Best of luck to yall
 
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Its been a year im reviving this thread... This shyt is incredibly hard to kick haha its not the physical withdrawals that are awful (ive kicked heroin, Oxys and once broke a 160mg medical methadone habit in jail... That was THE WORST).

Ive basically been on for 3 years and have a love-hate relationship with this stuff.... I'm on only about 10-15 grams a day. On a good day I hit about 7.5 g. But its the crutch factor that keeps me from jumping off totally. I'm sooo ready to just be sober again off every thing and really grow again in my journey. I know the kratom hinders it.

I had an amazing experience this weekend that kind of opened my eyes to the waste of my potential to love others the way I'm capable. The kratom keeps just enough of a barrier that my relationships arent what they could be... I dont necessarily expect anyone to understand that its just my perspective.

Just wanted to check in with others that have posted here and see how it's going or for anyone new who wants to chime in. Ive basically been on 3 years straight now with breaks here and there mostly using tianeptine and some total abstinence. Ive kicked hardcore opiates over 10 years ago and had 7 years completely sober. I'm in a different space now and just ready to jump ship and take a break as its not really doing what it used to anyhow.
 
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I've been off for over a few months now. I usually only get up to 3 day withdrawal, and pretty mild withdrawal at that. Of course, never took kratom for a year straight. Used 250g, then halted for a while, then again, etc. Not having it, on days my body is really sore, or feel a minor cold coming, I wish I had a bag, just for those scenarios because the stuff works so much better than OTC medication for colds and a stiff body.
 
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I've been off for over a few months now. I usually only get up to 3 day withdrawal, and pretty mild withdrawal at that. Of course, never took kratom for a year straight. Used 250g, then halted for a while, then again, etc. Not having it, on days my body is really sore, or feel a minor cold coming, I wish I had a bag, just for those scenarios because the stuff works so much better than OTC medication for colds and a stiff body.
Thats awesome man... Yeah ive come off before its not really bad at all! I'm gonna taper back down to 7.5 g a day this week thats my goal and go from there :)
 

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I take kratom and phenibut daily. I have no idea how to quit.. Going through a break-up right and property dispute... So it's all very painful and I just don't see myself quitting anytime soon. Also hate my job and I feel like I need it to function at my job.. Is there a way to quit other than cold turkey? I don't even measure out the kratom I just pour the freaken bag.
 
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I take kratom and phenibut daily. I have no idea how to quit.. Going through a break-up right and property dispute... So it's all very painful and I just don't see myself quitting anytime soon. Also hate my job and I feel like I need it to function at my job.. Is there a way to quit other than cold turkey? I don't even measure out the kratom I just pour the freaken bag.
Other than cold Turkey, take less of each. Taper slowly. Buy some agmatine powder, and that will help you when you do want to come off.
 
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Thats awesome man... Yeah ive come off before its not really bad at all! I'm gonna taper back down to 7.5 g a day this week thats my goal and go from there :)
It's a nice little plant. But its definitely better taken medicinally rather than recreationally. Course you know that hehe
 
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Probably a little worse off than you guys. Go through about 3-4 kilos month. Taking about 15grams at a time but every 3 hours set to a clock. I’d be thrilled to get it under 50g a day. But I wake up in full blown withdrawals( as bad as krartom withdrawals can be, I can still sleep though then for the most part but once I wake up I have chills and aches so bad, my pupils are entirely black) so I go immediately for 20grams just patiently waiting for it to kick in, and I go from there all day. I’ve found currently I can barely make 4 hours or I start sweating and feeling pretty awful. But, this also seems like a very consistent dosing schedule to very slowly start reducing my dose and taper to a reasonable spot. I use a military discount and can get by for about $340 at the most every month, pretty much a car payment. So I’d love to be rid of it but I don’t do much more about it.
 
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Probably a little worse off than you guys. Go through about 3-4 kilos month. Taking about 15grams at a time but every 3 hours set to a clock. I’d be thrilled to get it under 50g a day. But I wake up in full blown withdrawals( as bad as krartom withdrawals can be, I can still sleep though then for the most part but once I wake up I have chills and aches so bad, my pupils are entirely black) so I go immediately for 20grams just patiently waiting for it to kick in, and I go from there all day. I’ve found currently I can barely make 4 hours or I start sweating and feeling pretty awful. But, this also seems like a very consistent dosing schedule to very slowly start reducing my dose and taper to a reasonable spot. I use a military discount and can get by for about $340 at the most every month, pretty much a car payment. So I’d love to be rid of it but I don’t do much more about it.
You could get by with a very slow controlled taper and couple with agmatine and curcumin.
 
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You could get by with a very slow controlled taper and couple with agmatine and curcumin.
I know of agmatine. Had no clue it helped. In the way long ago past, I would get a script for gabapentin and use Dxm in small doses to help with wd. What does it do to help? I get panicky and pupils dilate along with sweats if I go under 10grams at doses. Only thing I’ve done last year got it down to 70g by just reducing 1 gram per dose. It’s doable I just need to pull the trigger
 
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Probably a little worse off than you guys. Go through about 3-4 kilos month. Taking about 15grams at a time but every 3 hours set to a clock. I’d be thrilled to get it under 50g a day. But I wake up in full blown withdrawals( as bad as krartom withdrawals can be, I can still sleep though then for the most part but once I wake up I have chills and aches so bad, my pupils are entirely black) so I go immediately for 20grams just patiently waiting for it to kick in, and I go from there all day. I’ve found currently I can barely make 4 hours or I start sweating and feeling pretty awful. But, this also seems like a very consistent dosing schedule to very slowly start reducing my dose and taper to a reasonable spot. I use a military discount and can get by for about $340 at the most every month, pretty much a car payment. So I’d love to be rid of it but I don’t do much more about it.
I’d suggest try tapering with tramadol very mild but should ease the withdrawals. It’s really probably the best route since I know what cold turkey feels like. On another note would Kratom show up as a false positive on a 10 panel?
 
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I’d suggest try tapering with tramadol very mild but should ease the withdrawals. It’s really probably the best route since I know what cold turkey feels like. On another note would Kratom show up as a false positive on a 10 panel?
Nope. Only one would be court ordered drug testing for probation and such. Tests for spice, bath salts, adderall, tramadol, pretty much everything but a regular old 5-12 panel, nope.
I’ve thought tramadol would be the best way too, long half life and easy to taper daily. Just need a source with a month worth or so
 

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You could get by with a very slow controlled taper and couple with agmatine and curcumin.
Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?

I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.

I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
 
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Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?

I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.

I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
With how bad mine is, 10grams a day would save me a fortune and I may even be brave enough to jump off at that dose. But I haven’t jumped off in a long time. How bad are wd’s if you just stop?
 
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Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?

I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.

I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
With how bad mine is, 10grams a day would save me a fortune and I may even be brave enough to jump off at that dose. But I haven’t jumped off in a long time. How bad are wd’s if you just stop?
 

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The longest I have gone without in the the past year has been 24hrs. I dont really notice much except tiredness, my pain comes back, and i am less motivated
 
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With how bad mine is, 10grams a day would save me a fortune and I may even be brave enough to jump off at that dose. But I haven’t jumped off in a long time. How bad are wd’s if you just stop?
Have you thought about going from an online retailer? I guess at 3-4 kilos a month its right around that $340 mark. The quality might be better though so you could maybe cut the dose that way and/or get some extract so you wouldnt be ingesting so much plant matter
 
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Nope. Only one would be court ordered drug testing for probation and such. Tests for spice, bath salts, adderall, tramadol, pretty much everything but a regular old 5-12 panel, nope.
I’ve thought tramadol would be the best way too, long half life and easy to taper daily. Just need a source with a month worth or so
1g agmatine and 1g curcumin per dose. Even though they potentate, they are going to help you taper and with withdrawals.
 

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If anyone in here thinks they have a problem, I strongly recommend seeking treatment(if you can afford it) and/or attending AA/NA meetings and working the steps. Addiction is something I’ve battled in the past, and still currently battle, and these programs really do work if you work them. If anyone has any questions about that feel free to message me and I will happily reply.
 
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If anyone in here thinks they have a problem, I strongly recommend seeking treatment(if you can afford it) and/or attending AA/NA meetings and working the steps. Addiction is something I’ve battled in the past, and still currently battle, and these programs really do work if you work them. If anyone has any questions about that feel free to message me and I will happily reply.
Same. I will say, although I am physically addicted and it is a drug, it’s an annoying and inconvenient one. Not a life destroying, unmanageable one. It’s costs more than I’d like and I want to get off, but it hasn’t hurt relationships or lost me trust or damaged my performance at work. So I am minimizing it but it’s something I’m ready to conquer but not something that’s going to put me in rehab. But I certainly see how I traded addictions and will have to be mindful if I get off it and am not active in recovery.
 
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I haven't read through the entire thread so if this has been mentioned before, disregard. I quit kratom and dipping at the exact same time. I purchased NAC and dosed around 2500mg/day. I continued usage of kratom and smokeless tobacco for 3 days and in day 4 I told myself was the day. I continued with the NAC for a couple weeks after. I was able to quit both products with minimum withdrawal symptoms. I supplemented with agmatine after the NAC just to be sure.

I feel so much better having quit and I regret ever having tried it. I had separated from service after 10 years and had terrible anxiety and depression and used kratom as a crutch during a **** time. I began worrying about my overall health and longevity and knew that kratom was doing nothing to benefit it. I read up every negative thing I could on kratom, ranging from it's addictive properties to possible cardiotoxicity, and tried on purpose to make myself see that it's not worth using. Addiction is real and sucks ass but I'm with you all and want you to know that it's a relief to never be using it again.
 
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Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?

I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.

I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
Yes, addiction is terrible. Yes, Kratom can be addicting. It can also have some negative effects - I always think about mathersby bowel issues when using the stuff. But I want to throw another POV for you DJD.

This stuff is not nearly as bad as any of the prescription drugs I've come across. If your using it for legit treatment then why get off? Especially at 10g a day- that's nothing! I've been a daily user for right at 7 years now. 7 spinal fusions and was on ungodly amount of narcotics for almost a decade. The docs would still have me on them if I listened to what those asshats had to say. Right before my 2nd daughter was born I decided I couldn't take the pills anymore. But I needed them for pain. That's when I found kratom. It has saved my life and made me a good contributing member of society. Withdrawals are very minimal personally - nothing to make me stop using the plant. It also helped with some intestinal issues inused to have. Anymore i get nothing from it outside of pain relief. I went from a good 100+g a day to now more around 30g. I believe as I got better my need decreased and therefore I didnt have many issues stepping down in a big way.

I read through some of these recent posts and it almost seems like people are making it sound scary. (I've heard nasty stories and believe it can be) I dont think that's the intent at all - just the vibe I'm getting. My point is dont be in a hurry to throw away a good medicine if it's working and your not seeing side effects. It sounds like we are in the same boat as in the docs are NOT going to find a helpful alternative. And if they do there may be a more significant downside to it anyway.

Sorry for such a long post guys - I really believe this plant has a legitimate medical application. Theres so much propaganda on both sides of the argument that it's hard to get a clear view based on media or documentaries, etc.
 

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Just to make clear, I wasn’t talking about kratom explicitly in my post. I have used kratom for withdrawals from other substances and it was great.
 
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Same. I will say, although I am physically addicted and it is a drug, it’s an annoying and inconvenient one. Not a life destroying, unmanageable one. It’s costs more than I’d like and I want to get off, but it hasn’t hurt relationships or lost me trust or damaged my performance at work. So I am minimizing it but it’s something I’m ready to conquer but not something that’s going to put me in rehab. But I certainly see how I traded addictions and will have to be mindful if I get off it and am not active in recovery.
This is my problem.... It diesnt really interfere with anything the way drugs would. Although it does to a certain extent... Nothing is unmanageable. I agree its annoying to know this little plant has its cute littke hooks in haha

Thats part of the problem for me is I minimalize and rationalize it... Its not as bad as other stuff, I can take it regularly it really doesn't interfere w anything, back pain, its my one vice.... Lol I could go on and on.... I think the other night I realized just how much it interferes w my ability to interact with my kids and be present.... All this comes on the cusp of this dope ass chick I met by completely crazy and wild circumstances... I thought I wanted to be a better version of myself so I can give those I really care about the best version of me...

I work full time, I'm in grad school full time, I train, I have kids and I do it all well... This keeps me both stuck in the rationalization of my K use and also makes it very difficult to just jump off.... I just dont know how I would shut every thing down for a few days to go through the WDs. Trying to taper seems like my best option... On that note just popped 2x70 extract caps on my ride home from school.... On long days like this I just want that little bit of comfort I get from the K. It just doesnt work like it used to or is supposed to anymore. Another reason I want off.....


Some things I found that help are eating a whole grapefruit about 20 minutes after your dose.

Agmatine and nigella sativa (black seed oil) slightly reverse tolerance and make it to where you can take less and get a desired effect.

I also found with kratom less is more. When you start tapering and lowering you doses you actually start feeling more off of less. When you stop chasing the "high" so to speak.
 
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This is my problem.... It diesnt really interfere with anything the way drugs would. Although it does to a certain extent... Nothing is unmanageable. I agree its annoying to know this little plant has its cute littke hooks in haha

Thats part of the problem for me is I minimalize and rationalize it... Its not as bad as other stuff, I can take it regularly it really doesn't interfere w anything, back pain, its my one vice.... Lol I could go on and on.... I think the other night I realized just how much it interferes w my ability to interact with my kids and be present.... All this comes on the cusp of this dope ass chick I met by completely crazy and wild circumstances... I thought I wanted to be a better version of myself so I can give those I really care about the best version of me...

I work full time, I'm in grad school full time, I train, I have kids and I do it all well... This keeps me both stuck in the rationalization of my K use and also makes it very difficult to just jump off.... I just dont know how I would shut every thing down for a few days to go through the WDs. Trying to taper seems like my best option... On that note just popped 2x70 extract caps on my ride home from school.... On long days like this I just want that little bit of comfort I get from the K. It just doesnt work like it used to or is supposed to anymore. Another reason I want off.....


Some things I found that help are eating a whole grapefruit about 20 minutes after your dose.

Agmatine and nigella sativa (black seed oil) slightly reverse tolerance and make it to where you can take less and get a desired effect.

I also found with kratom less is more. When you start tapering and lowering you doses you actually start feeling more off of less. When you stop chasing the "high" so to speak.
Have you just jumped off before? Thing is some people get insane wd's and others get very mild to nearly nothing. At that point it would just be a mental battle from the standpoint as you said - it's a crutch. But once you realize you dont need it youd be golden.
 

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Yes, addiction is terrible. Yes, Kratom can be addicting. It can also have some negative effects - I always think about mathersby bowel issues when using the stuff. But I want to throw another POV for you DJD.

This stuff is not nearly as bad as any of the prescription drugs I've come across. If your using it for legit treatment then why get off? Especially at 10g a day- that's nothing! I've been a daily user for right at 7 years now. 7 spinal fusions and was on ungodly amount of narcotics for almost a decade. The docs would still have me on them if I listened to what those asshats had to say. Right before my 2nd daughter was born I decided I couldn't take the pills anymore. But I needed them for pain. That's when I found kratom. It has saved my life and made me a good contributing member of society. Withdrawals are very minimal personally - nothing to make me stop using the plant. It also helped with some intestinal issues inused to have. Anymore i get nothing from it outside of pain relief. I went from a good 100+g a day to now more around 30g. I believe as I got better my need decreased and therefore I didnt have many issues stepping down in a big way.

I read through some of these recent posts and it almost seems like people are making it sound scary. (I've heard nasty stories and believe it can be) I dont think that's the intent at all - just the vibe I'm getting. My point is dont be in a hurry to throw away a good medicine if it's working and your not seeing side effects. It sounds like we are in the same boat as in the docs are NOT going to find a helpful alternative. And if they do there may be a more significant downside to it anyway.

Sorry for such a long post guys - I really believe this plant has a legitimate medical application. Theres so much propaganda on both sides of the argument that it's hard to get a clear view based on media or documentaries, etc.
I agree really. If it wasn't for kratom, i dont know where i would be. It brought me out of a dark depression ridden , anxiety state and "cured" my stomach issues. Considering everything the doctors gave me barely touched my issues I am thankful for kratom.

Its just this weird dichotomy in my mind of it having such a great impact on me and then what happens if it stops working/the addiction aspect of it. But if you are addicted to something that literally helps you is it actually bad? Idk at this point, it vastly improves my quality of life and I cant really imagine going back to being in pain and always worrying.
 
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I agree really. If it wasn't for kratom, i dont know where i would be. It brought me out of a dark depression ridden , anxiety state and "cured" my stomach issues. Considering everything the doctors gave me barely touched my issues I am thankful for kratom.

Its just this weird dichotomy in my mind of it having such a great impact on me and then what happens if it stops working/the addiction aspect of it. But if you are addicted to something that literally helps you is it actually bad? Idk at this point, it vastly improves my quality of life and I cant really imagine going back to being in pain and always worrying.
After 7 years of use I can jump off without too much of an issue. My first 3ish years it would have been bad though. Dont know what changed. Then theres guys that have a terrible time. If you use the smallest amount needed to help, your in better shape than most. Think of the crazy amount t of people on opiates, SSRI's, benzos, etc. Those people take that daily and will have a crazy shitty ti.e getting off those....Keaton should be nothing in comparison. I just think if its helping that much you shouldnt stress about it. Use this time to continue to figure out the underlying issue and maybe you can find a better long term solution. Life sucks living in a crappy state 24/7.
 
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Have you just jumped off before? Thing is some people get insane wd's and others get very mild to nearly nothing. At that point it would just be a mental battle from the standpoint as you said - it's a crutch. But once you realize you dont need it youd be golden.
Yes I have been off a few times for a month or 2. My wds on it are moderate. Not horrible but I def dont feel great... Doing anything requires a lot of struggling lol low energy primarily. I need to just jump off again I'm on about 10g per day give or take.
 

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I've been addicted to Kratom for years. I just remember the opium+MDMA effect it gave me the first year until the magic vanished.
Currently I take Kratom daily, from 1.75 to 6 grams. I'll take I break this week because I travel abroad, and I know the WD won't be hard. I don't thing living without Kratom is better, so I won't kick it as long as my dosing stays low.

EDIT: BTW, I love green malay euphoria but it makes my muscles tense. This is for me the biggest drawback, and I could improve in sports without that.
 
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Have you just jumped off before? Thing is some people get insane wd's and others get very mild to nearly nothing. At that point it would just be a mental battle from the standpoint as you said - it's a crutch. But once you realize you dont need it youd be golden.
I think it is different for everyone because of their dose and reliance but also I’ve noticed a correlation between those that have never used hard opiates (especially methadone and suboxone) because they’ve had very little time for body to produce its own opiates much like shutdown from harder longer cycles. Could coincidence but mine are pretty nasty. It’s been a decade but I’ve been on both subs and methadone even high dose loperamide which is excruciating to get off of. All I know is it’s hard to justify getting off when it causes zero problems for me other than cost, constipation and the fact that I’m hooked. It can’t even be compared to oxy or heroin. You’ll steal from your own mother on those. This is just annoying. I’d love to get to where you guys are. 15-20 grams 5-6 times a day is ridiculous and wd are instant at hour 4. I wake up in full blown wd and they are restless anxious painful and I don’t wish to have a week straight of that with how effective I am right now. I even thing it helps with my anxiety on aas.
Agmatine is in the mail and I’m going to slowly get down to 10g at a time ASAP. Then go lower
 
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I think it is different for everyone because of their dose and reliance but also I’ve noticed a correlation between those that have never used hard opiates (especially methadone and suboxone) because they’ve had very little time for body to produce its own opiates much like shutdown from harder longer cycles. Could coincidence but mine are pretty nasty. It’s been a decade but I’ve been on both subs and methadone even high dose loperamide which is excruciating to get off of. All I know is it’s hard to justify getting off when it causes zero problems for me other than cost, constipation and the fact that I’m hooked. It can’t even be compared to oxy or heroin. You’ll steal from your own mother on those. This is just annoying. I’d love to get to where you guys are. 15-20 grams 5-6 times a day is ridiculous and wd are instant at hour 4. I wake up in full blown wd and they are restless anxious painful and I don’t wish to have a week straight of that with how effective I am right now. I even thing it helps with my anxiety on aas.
Agmatine is in the mail and I’m going to slowly get down to 10g at a time ASAP. Then go lower
You can get there. Start by typing out a taper plan. Chart each day, and each dose in each day. It would be good for you to see the taper planned out on paper, that you can literally look at and remind yourself of the dose for that day/week. Buy agmatine and curcumin. You do those two steps, all you have left to do is implement.
 
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I think it is different for everyone because of their dose and reliance but also I’ve noticed a correlation between those that have never used hard opiates (especially methadone and suboxone) because they’ve had very little time for body to produce its own opiates much like shutdown from harder longer cycles. Could coincidence but mine are pretty nasty. It’s been a decade but I’ve been on both subs and methadone even high dose loperamide which is excruciating to get off of. All I know is it’s hard to justify getting off when it causes zero problems for me other than cost, constipation and the fact that I’m hooked. It can’t even be compared to oxy or heroin. You’ll steal from your own mother on those. This is just annoying. I’d love to get to where you guys are. 15-20 grams 5-6 times a day is ridiculous and wd are instant at hour 4. I wake up in full blown wd and they are restless anxious painful and I don’t wish to have a week straight of that with how effective I am right now. I even thing it helps with my anxiety on aas.
Agmatine is in the mail and I’m going to slowly get down to 10g at a time ASAP. Then go lower
Good luck buddy. I think I messaged you quite a while ago. But when I was roughly 110-120g a day and closer to post opiate use - wd was a pain. Probably because my system was still kicking the hard stuff. But the key to my success was time between doses. Every 4 hour dosing just go with the pain and make it 4hrs and 20 minutes...couple days later when that's comfortable make it every 4hrs 40min. (Just an example of timespan) but after a few weeks you'll be dosing every 6 hours. Just those tiny steps made it bearable. With the crap we put our bodies through...30 min of wd 3 or 4 ti.es a day is nothing.

Hope the agmatine helps...heard good stuff about that
 
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I’m on day 9 cold turkey off of about 25 grams a day for a 5 month habit. I’ve quit kratom before and have gone cold turkey off of heroin and oxycodone many times. This withdrawal has been a real struggle. Of course it doesn’t touch hard opiate withdrawal but I’m still finding it nearly impossible to function. The one good thing is that I have almost zero cravings for kratom.
 

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I’m on day 9 cold turkey off of about 25 grams a day for a 5 month habit. I’ve quit kratom before and have gone cold turkey off of heroin and oxycodone many times. This withdrawal has been a real struggle. Of course it doesn’t touch hard opiate withdrawal but I’m still finding it nearly impossible to function. The one good thing is that I have almost zero cravings for kratom.
What do u mean by impossible to function? Lethargy? Brainfog? Restless legs? Sweats at all? Just curious as to what you are noticing
 
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