My 20’s were bad, bad, bad. I’m as boring as it gets now though.Damn I’ve partaken in a lot of substances now that I think about it. How am I alive?
My 20’s were bad, bad, bad. I’m as boring as it gets now though.Damn I’ve partaken in a lot of substances now that I think about it. How am I alive?
Oh god, my teens were my bad years. Drink a bottle of delsym one day, bottle of whisky the next, smoke some meth, smoke some Coke, unprotected sex with random chick I met at a party, take a handful of adderall and some viagra... Ok, I still do that last one sometimes, but with cialis instead.My 20’s were bad, bad, bad. I’m as boring as it gets now though.
After a week straight I'm sure you'll have some slight withdrawal, but I bet your anxiety will be the worst of it. I relapse for a week or 2 way too often and I'm always up against a couple crappy days....but it's nothing like you've dealt with before. Just trying to say dont worry yourself into making it worse. Good luck broAny of the kratom addicts kick it?
Like a dumbass I just picked up using it again for the last week, but not too heavily. I’ve mostly stuck in the 7-10 grams a day range. Still, with my history of addiction I’m afraid I’ll experience a little withdrawal when I jump off today or tomorrow. Rather than throwing away what I have left I’ll probably just use it up which means I’ll be done with it tomorrow.
I plan on using NyQuil and valerian root to sleep for the first three days, if I do in fact suffer from insomnia. I know my use was for a short period and the dosing was relatively light but my history of opiate addictions means my body becomes dependent on opioids extremely easily. My guess is I’ll suffer through some anxiety, restlessness (twitching), minor headaches, and difficulty sleeping for about three or four days. When I used kratom for a couple months straight (I’d take a day off here and there but I’d use benzos on those days) the withdrawal was pretty rough and it lasted two weeks. I was also using two to three times as much as I am now.
RickyBlobby Did your taper method work? Just curious. Tapering obviously isn’t an option for me since I’ve barely used and the smartest thing to do is just stop before it spirals into a heavy addiction again.
I’ve tapered down from 6.5 grams, 3x a day to 3 grams, 3x a day. I haven’t tried going lower than 3 but will drop down to 2.5 soon.Any of the kratom addicts kick it?
Like a dumbass I just picked up using it again for the last week, but not too heavily. I’ve mostly stuck in the 7-10 grams a day range. Still, with my history of addiction I’m afraid I’ll experience a little withdrawal when I jump off today or tomorrow. Rather than throwing away what I have left I’ll probably just use it up which means I’ll be done with it tomorrow.
I plan on using NyQuil and valerian root to sleep for the first three days, if I do in fact suffer from insomnia. I know my use was for a short period and the dosing was relatively light but my history of opiate addictions means my body becomes dependent on opioids extremely easily. My guess is I’ll suffer through some anxiety, restlessness (twitching), minor headaches, and difficulty sleeping for about three or four days. When I used kratom for a couple months straight (I’d take a day off here and there but I’d use benzos on those days) the withdrawal was pretty rough and it lasted two weeks. I was also using two to three times as much as I am now.
RickyBlobby Did your taper method work? Just curious. Tapering obviously isn’t an option for me since I’ve barely used and the smartest thing to do is just stop before it spirals into a heavy addiction again.
Looks good man. I’m still stuck at 10 grams per dose. A lot of discipline issues but I was making progress toward 7-9 grams per dose, and of course my smoke shop stopped selling the half kilo bags of Blue magic, and I don’t know exactly where to get such large amounts from smoke shops in the area. So of course, the brand I switched to is garbage and I slept like dogshyt last night. Back to 15grams per dose. I feel like, if I get on same brand and stick to it, I could make strides as I was starting to, but the inconsistency of in-stock products is throwing me off. I may have to cold turkey and use loperamide and Dxm, but that’s not a fun ride and is as addictive as suboxone if I don’t taper down stupid quick. And it comes with cardiac risks. Easy to taper though since it doesn’t get you high and you never feel the need to increase the dose for whatever stupid reason I always seem to justifyI’ve tapered down from 6.5 grams, 3x a day to 3 grams, 3x a day. I haven’t tried going lower than 3 but will drop down to 2.5 soon.
So far so good
Why not just order from a good seller online it's so much cheaper and the quality is betterLooks good man. I’m still stuck at 10 grams per dose. A lot of discipline issues but I was making progress toward 7-9 grams per dose, and of course my smoke shop stopped selling the half kilo bags of Blue magic, and I don’t know exactly where to get such large amounts from smoke shops in the area. So of course, the brand I switched to is garbage and I slept like dogshyt last night. Back to 15grams per dose. I feel like, if I get on same brand and stick to it, I could make strides as I was starting to, but the inconsistency of in-stock products is throwing me off. I may have to cold turkey and use loperamide and Dxm, but that’s not a fun ride and is as addictive as suboxone if I don’t taper down stupid quick. And it comes with cardiac risks. Easy to taper though since it doesn’t get you high and you never feel the need to increase the dose for whatever stupid reason I always seem to justify
Ya, I guess I haven’t looked into it enough with the convenience of picking it up as I need it. Plus kilo or 1/2 kilo wasn’t too pricey and would probably be hella expensive to ship that amount especially capsulized.Why not just order from a good seller online it's so much cheaper and the quality is better
Thats awesome man... Yeah ive come off before its not really bad at all! I'm gonna taper back down to 7.5 g a day this week thats my goal and go from thereI've been off for over a few months now. I usually only get up to 3 day withdrawal, and pretty mild withdrawal at that. Of course, never took kratom for a year straight. Used 250g, then halted for a while, then again, etc. Not having it, on days my body is really sore, or feel a minor cold coming, I wish I had a bag, just for those scenarios because the stuff works so much better than OTC medication for colds and a stiff body.
Other than cold Turkey, take less of each. Taper slowly. Buy some agmatine powder, and that will help you when you do want to come off.I take kratom and phenibut daily. I have no idea how to quit.. Going through a break-up right and property dispute... So it's all very painful and I just don't see myself quitting anytime soon. Also hate my job and I feel like I need it to function at my job.. Is there a way to quit other than cold turkey? I don't even measure out the kratom I just pour the freaken bag.
It's a nice little plant. But its definitely better taken medicinally rather than recreationally. Course you know that heheThats awesome man... Yeah ive come off before its not really bad at all! I'm gonna taper back down to 7.5 g a day this week thats my goal and go from there
You could get by with a very slow controlled taper and couple with agmatine and curcumin.Probably a little worse off than you guys. Go through about 3-4 kilos month. Taking about 15grams at a time but every 3 hours set to a clock. I’d be thrilled to get it under 50g a day. But I wake up in full blown withdrawals( as bad as krartom withdrawals can be, I can still sleep though then for the most part but once I wake up I have chills and aches so bad, my pupils are entirely black) so I go immediately for 20grams just patiently waiting for it to kick in, and I go from there all day. I’ve found currently I can barely make 4 hours or I start sweating and feeling pretty awful. But, this also seems like a very consistent dosing schedule to very slowly start reducing my dose and taper to a reasonable spot. I use a military discount and can get by for about $340 at the most every month, pretty much a car payment. So I’d love to be rid of it but I don’t do much more about it.
I know of agmatine. Had no clue it helped. In the way long ago past, I would get a script for gabapentin and use Dxm in small doses to help with wd. What does it do to help? I get panicky and pupils dilate along with sweats if I go under 10grams at doses. Only thing I’ve done last year got it down to 70g by just reducing 1 gram per dose. It’s doable I just need to pull the triggerYou could get by with a very slow controlled taper and couple with agmatine and curcumin.
I’d suggest try tapering with tramadol very mild but should ease the withdrawals. It’s really probably the best route since I know what cold turkey feels like. On another note would Kratom show up as a false positive on a 10 panel?Probably a little worse off than you guys. Go through about 3-4 kilos month. Taking about 15grams at a time but every 3 hours set to a clock. I’d be thrilled to get it under 50g a day. But I wake up in full blown withdrawals( as bad as krartom withdrawals can be, I can still sleep though then for the most part but once I wake up I have chills and aches so bad, my pupils are entirely black) so I go immediately for 20grams just patiently waiting for it to kick in, and I go from there all day. I’ve found currently I can barely make 4 hours or I start sweating and feeling pretty awful. But, this also seems like a very consistent dosing schedule to very slowly start reducing my dose and taper to a reasonable spot. I use a military discount and can get by for about $340 at the most every month, pretty much a car payment. So I’d love to be rid of it but I don’t do much more about it.
Nope. Only one would be court ordered drug testing for probation and such. Tests for spice, bath salts, adderall, tramadol, pretty much everything but a regular old 5-12 panel, nope.I’d suggest try tapering with tramadol very mild but should ease the withdrawals. It’s really probably the best route since I know what cold turkey feels like. On another note would Kratom show up as a false positive on a 10 panel?
Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?You could get by with a very slow controlled taper and couple with agmatine and curcumin.
With how bad mine is, 10grams a day would save me a fortune and I may even be brave enough to jump off at that dose. But I haven’t jumped off in a long time. How bad are wd’s if you just stop?Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?
I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.
I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
With how bad mine is, 10grams a day would save me a fortune and I may even be brave enough to jump off at that dose. But I haven’t jumped off in a long time. How bad are wd’s if you just stop?Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?
I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.
I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
Have you thought about going from an online retailer? I guess at 3-4 kilos a month its right around that $340 mark. The quality might be better though so you could maybe cut the dose that way and/or get some extract so you wouldnt be ingesting so much plant matterWith how bad mine is, 10grams a day would save me a fortune and I may even be brave enough to jump off at that dose. But I haven’t jumped off in a long time. How bad are wd’s if you just stop?
1g agmatine and 1g curcumin per dose. Even though they potentate, they are going to help you taper and with withdrawals.Nope. Only one would be court ordered drug testing for probation and such. Tests for spice, bath salts, adderall, tramadol, pretty much everything but a regular old 5-12 panel, nope.
I’ve thought tramadol would be the best way too, long half life and easy to taper daily. Just need a source with a month worth or so
Same. I will say, although I am physically addicted and it is a drug, it’s an annoying and inconvenient one. Not a life destroying, unmanageable one. It’s costs more than I’d like and I want to get off, but it hasn’t hurt relationships or lost me trust or damaged my performance at work. So I am minimizing it but it’s something I’m ready to conquer but not something that’s going to put me in rehab. But I certainly see how I traded addictions and will have to be mindful if I get off it and am not active in recovery.If anyone in here thinks they have a problem, I strongly recommend seeking treatment(if you can afford it) and/or attending AA/NA meetings and working the steps. Addiction is something I’ve battled in the past, and still currently battle, and these programs really do work if you work them. If anyone has any questions about that feel free to message me and I will happily reply.
Yes, addiction is terrible. Yes, Kratom can be addicting. It can also have some negative effects - I always think about mathersby bowel issues when using the stuff. But I want to throw another POV for you DJD.Agmatine and curcumin are potentiators arnt they? So you are saying cut the dose and add in potentiators so it balances out right?
I wasnt a part of this original thread, but i have been on for over a year. Started using because the doctors couldnt figure out why i was having all sorts of pain and intestinal stomach issues. Cured me right up and havnt reallly looked back. I dont really go over 10g a day except for on some occasions.
I am just more worried about it not working for me and the pain and diarrhea coming back or it being outlawed and im in the same boat.
This is my problem.... It diesnt really interfere with anything the way drugs would. Although it does to a certain extent... Nothing is unmanageable. I agree its annoying to know this little plant has its cute littke hooks in hahaSame. I will say, although I am physically addicted and it is a drug, it’s an annoying and inconvenient one. Not a life destroying, unmanageable one. It’s costs more than I’d like and I want to get off, but it hasn’t hurt relationships or lost me trust or damaged my performance at work. So I am minimizing it but it’s something I’m ready to conquer but not something that’s going to put me in rehab. But I certainly see how I traded addictions and will have to be mindful if I get off it and am not active in recovery.
Have you just jumped off before? Thing is some people get insane wd's and others get very mild to nearly nothing. At that point it would just be a mental battle from the standpoint as you said - it's a crutch. But once you realize you dont need it youd be golden.This is my problem.... It diesnt really interfere with anything the way drugs would. Although it does to a certain extent... Nothing is unmanageable. I agree its annoying to know this little plant has its cute littke hooks in haha
Thats part of the problem for me is I minimalize and rationalize it... Its not as bad as other stuff, I can take it regularly it really doesn't interfere w anything, back pain, its my one vice.... Lol I could go on and on.... I think the other night I realized just how much it interferes w my ability to interact with my kids and be present.... All this comes on the cusp of this dope ass chick I met by completely crazy and wild circumstances... I thought I wanted to be a better version of myself so I can give those I really care about the best version of me...
I work full time, I'm in grad school full time, I train, I have kids and I do it all well... This keeps me both stuck in the rationalization of my K use and also makes it very difficult to just jump off.... I just dont know how I would shut every thing down for a few days to go through the WDs. Trying to taper seems like my best option... On that note just popped 2x70 extract caps on my ride home from school.... On long days like this I just want that little bit of comfort I get from the K. It just doesnt work like it used to or is supposed to anymore. Another reason I want off.....
Some things I found that help are eating a whole grapefruit about 20 minutes after your dose.
Agmatine and nigella sativa (black seed oil) slightly reverse tolerance and make it to where you can take less and get a desired effect.
I also found with kratom less is more. When you start tapering and lowering you doses you actually start feeling more off of less. When you stop chasing the "high" so to speak.
I agree really. If it wasn't for kratom, i dont know where i would be. It brought me out of a dark depression ridden , anxiety state and "cured" my stomach issues. Considering everything the doctors gave me barely touched my issues I am thankful for kratom.Yes, addiction is terrible. Yes, Kratom can be addicting. It can also have some negative effects - I always think about mathersby bowel issues when using the stuff. But I want to throw another POV for you DJD.
This stuff is not nearly as bad as any of the prescription drugs I've come across. If your using it for legit treatment then why get off? Especially at 10g a day- that's nothing! I've been a daily user for right at 7 years now. 7 spinal fusions and was on ungodly amount of narcotics for almost a decade. The docs would still have me on them if I listened to what those asshats had to say. Right before my 2nd daughter was born I decided I couldn't take the pills anymore. But I needed them for pain. That's when I found kratom. It has saved my life and made me a good contributing member of society. Withdrawals are very minimal personally - nothing to make me stop using the plant. It also helped with some intestinal issues inused to have. Anymore i get nothing from it outside of pain relief. I went from a good 100+g a day to now more around 30g. I believe as I got better my need decreased and therefore I didnt have many issues stepping down in a big way.
I read through some of these recent posts and it almost seems like people are making it sound scary. (I've heard nasty stories and believe it can be) I dont think that's the intent at all - just the vibe I'm getting. My point is dont be in a hurry to throw away a good medicine if it's working and your not seeing side effects. It sounds like we are in the same boat as in the docs are NOT going to find a helpful alternative. And if they do there may be a more significant downside to it anyway.
Sorry for such a long post guys - I really believe this plant has a legitimate medical application. Theres so much propaganda on both sides of the argument that it's hard to get a clear view based on media or documentaries, etc.
After 7 years of use I can jump off without too much of an issue. My first 3ish years it would have been bad though. Dont know what changed. Then theres guys that have a terrible time. If you use the smallest amount needed to help, your in better shape than most. Think of the crazy amount t of people on opiates, SSRI's, benzos, etc. Those people take that daily and will have a crazy shitty ti.e getting off those....Keaton should be nothing in comparison. I just think if its helping that much you shouldnt stress about it. Use this time to continue to figure out the underlying issue and maybe you can find a better long term solution. Life sucks living in a crappy state 24/7.I agree really. If it wasn't for kratom, i dont know where i would be. It brought me out of a dark depression ridden , anxiety state and "cured" my stomach issues. Considering everything the doctors gave me barely touched my issues I am thankful for kratom.
Its just this weird dichotomy in my mind of it having such a great impact on me and then what happens if it stops working/the addiction aspect of it. But if you are addicted to something that literally helps you is it actually bad? Idk at this point, it vastly improves my quality of life and I cant really imagine going back to being in pain and always worrying.
Yes I have been off a few times for a month or 2. My wds on it are moderate. Not horrible but I def dont feel great... Doing anything requires a lot of struggling lol low energy primarily. I need to just jump off again I'm on about 10g per day give or take.Have you just jumped off before? Thing is some people get insane wd's and others get very mild to nearly nothing. At that point it would just be a mental battle from the standpoint as you said - it's a crutch. But once you realize you dont need it youd be golden.
I think it is different for everyone because of their dose and reliance but also I’ve noticed a correlation between those that have never used hard opiates (especially methadone and suboxone) because they’ve had very little time for body to produce its own opiates much like shutdown from harder longer cycles. Could coincidence but mine are pretty nasty. It’s been a decade but I’ve been on both subs and methadone even high dose loperamide which is excruciating to get off of. All I know is it’s hard to justify getting off when it causes zero problems for me other than cost, constipation and the fact that I’m hooked. It can’t even be compared to oxy or heroin. You’ll steal from your own mother on those. This is just annoying. I’d love to get to where you guys are. 15-20 grams 5-6 times a day is ridiculous and wd are instant at hour 4. I wake up in full blown wd and they are restless anxious painful and I don’t wish to have a week straight of that with how effective I am right now. I even thing it helps with my anxiety on aas.Have you just jumped off before? Thing is some people get insane wd's and others get very mild to nearly nothing. At that point it would just be a mental battle from the standpoint as you said - it's a crutch. But once you realize you dont need it youd be golden.
You can get there. Start by typing out a taper plan. Chart each day, and each dose in each day. It would be good for you to see the taper planned out on paper, that you can literally look at and remind yourself of the dose for that day/week. Buy agmatine and curcumin. You do those two steps, all you have left to do is implement.I think it is different for everyone because of their dose and reliance but also I’ve noticed a correlation between those that have never used hard opiates (especially methadone and suboxone) because they’ve had very little time for body to produce its own opiates much like shutdown from harder longer cycles. Could coincidence but mine are pretty nasty. It’s been a decade but I’ve been on both subs and methadone even high dose loperamide which is excruciating to get off of. All I know is it’s hard to justify getting off when it causes zero problems for me other than cost, constipation and the fact that I’m hooked. It can’t even be compared to oxy or heroin. You’ll steal from your own mother on those. This is just annoying. I’d love to get to where you guys are. 15-20 grams 5-6 times a day is ridiculous and wd are instant at hour 4. I wake up in full blown wd and they are restless anxious painful and I don’t wish to have a week straight of that with how effective I am right now. I even thing it helps with my anxiety on aas.
Agmatine is in the mail and I’m going to slowly get down to 10g at a time ASAP. Then go lower
Good luck buddy. I think I messaged you quite a while ago. But when I was roughly 110-120g a day and closer to post opiate use - wd was a pain. Probably because my system was still kicking the hard stuff. But the key to my success was time between doses. Every 4 hour dosing just go with the pain and make it 4hrs and 20 minutes...couple days later when that's comfortable make it every 4hrs 40min. (Just an example of timespan) but after a few weeks you'll be dosing every 6 hours. Just those tiny steps made it bearable. With the crap we put our bodies through...30 min of wd 3 or 4 ti.es a day is nothing.I think it is different for everyone because of their dose and reliance but also I’ve noticed a correlation between those that have never used hard opiates (especially methadone and suboxone) because they’ve had very little time for body to produce its own opiates much like shutdown from harder longer cycles. Could coincidence but mine are pretty nasty. It’s been a decade but I’ve been on both subs and methadone even high dose loperamide which is excruciating to get off of. All I know is it’s hard to justify getting off when it causes zero problems for me other than cost, constipation and the fact that I’m hooked. It can’t even be compared to oxy or heroin. You’ll steal from your own mother on those. This is just annoying. I’d love to get to where you guys are. 15-20 grams 5-6 times a day is ridiculous and wd are instant at hour 4. I wake up in full blown wd and they are restless anxious painful and I don’t wish to have a week straight of that with how effective I am right now. I even thing it helps with my anxiety on aas.
Agmatine is in the mail and I’m going to slowly get down to 10g at a time ASAP. Then go lower
What do u mean by impossible to function? Lethargy? Brainfog? Restless legs? Sweats at all? Just curious as to what you are noticingI’m on day 9 cold turkey off of about 25 grams a day for a 5 month habit. I’ve quit kratom before and have gone cold turkey off of heroin and oxycodone many times. This withdrawal has been a real struggle. Of course it doesn’t touch hard opiate withdrawal but I’m still finding it nearly impossible to function. The one good thing is that I have almost zero cravings for kratom.
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