Kratom users - Let’s kick it!

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Wow that headline was something a 40 year old Dad would post.... Oh ****.....

Anyways, Mods, do what you gotta do, but this thread will help a lot of guys in this section that struggle with this stuff. I know for a fact, a lot of them don’t venture to other sections of AM and I’m hoping we can make some good things happen here.
Hopefully you’ll give me a few days to get some guys to join if you need to move the thread.

So, There’s a few of us that have elected to try and kick the addiction. I can’t afford to do it any other way than a taper. I have some great OTC remedies that I for whatever reason refuse to actually use myself. But I thought if some of us kept each other accountable, all of us that are willing can take the next 12 months(or less) and track our use, taper to a dose that’s acceptable to jump off with little discomfort, and utilize some great otc/pharm remedies that will help the transition.

I hope anyone that’s wanting to do this will join me in this challenge. I want to be Kratom free this Spring.
 

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I am interested and I like kratom, recently started some, but do not have a problem with it (yet), so am not working to quit but am still interested and may lurk, but wish you the best and success in achieving your goal. I have had habits to kick also, so understand the importance and wish you the best.

My 2c, I believe the beast harm-reduction technique is to keep tolerance and doses as low as possible. There are some very effective compounds for tolerance reduction out there. Magnesium and Memantine up-regulate receptors along with Ketamine and DXM (coughsyrup) using the same mechanism (NMDA antagonism) to up-regulate receptors in the reward system. I prefer the former two, taken at nigh they also help with sleep. They also help with tolerance to stimulants and nicotine/sensitivity to dopamine. I would take them without dosing kratom, or with a smallish dose. Memantine can be found in these circles from ancillaries shops. I use 12mg memantine most nights on top of 600mg magnesium glycinate. OTC, DXM storebrand softgells are 15mg's each- start with 60mg. They will all potentiate the kratom as well as reduce and prevent tolerance.
 
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Absolutely sir.. DXM does amazing things as a tolerance reducer, and as a withdrawal reducer. It is without a doubt a otc remedy I intend to discuss on this thread as well as use personally. I have dozens of experiences(no, not tripping experiences) using it to aid in withdrawal..
 
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Absolutely sir.. DXM does amazing things as a tolerance reducer, and as a withdrawal reducer. It is without a doubt a otc remedy I intend to discuss on this thread as well as use personally. I have dozens of experiences(no, not tripping experiences) using it to aid in withdrawal..
DMx is similar in effects to ketamine's effects correct? they are in a class of drugs called dissociatives?

I know ketamine is used to treat depression, and its also used to treat an injury. Victor Martinez broke his arm , arm wrestling and doctor prescribed him ketamine. Im not depressed or have a major injury like that, and that's the way most doctors may prescribe it?
 
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I have tapered .5 grams per week and have experienced no withdrawal symptoms. Was at 6.5 grams 3x a day now at 3.5 grams. No sleeplessness no restless nothing. Some mornings I actually wake up feeling like I don't need it, as opposed to feeling like **** upon waking with the higher doses. I think I may jump off completely once I'm at 2g a serving
 
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DMx is similar in effects to ketamine's effects correct? they are in a class of drugs called dissociatives?

I know ketamine is used to treat depression, and its also used to treat an injury. Victor Martinez broke his arm , arm wrestling and doctor prescribed him ketamine. Im not depressed or have a major injury like that, and that's the way most doctors may prescribe it?
Yes it’s extremely unique as a disassociate but structurally similar to Morphine. It will help not only with potentiating smaller doses to continue tapering down but will also aid in transition completely off Kratom with the psychological effects and some of the gnawing physical effects too. One just has to be careful with dose, because you go too high and you’re tripping out and not really good for being level headed at a job or driving a vehicle.
 
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I've gotten extremely, extremely high on ketamine. Vivid halucinations and unable to move for what felt like hours. It is commonly used as a tranquilizer for vetenarians.
 
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I have tapered .5 grams per week and have experienced no withdrawal symptoms. Was at 6.5 grams 3x a day now at 3.5 grams. No sleeplessness no restless nothing. Some mornings I actually wake up feeling like I don't need it, as opposed to feeling like **** upon waking with the higher doses. I think I may jump off completely once I'm at 2g a serving
How much do you think you could push that to? .5 a day? I feel like I could easily get away with one capsule at a time once a day.
 
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How much do you think you could push that to? .5 a day? I feel like I could easily get away with one capsule at a time once a day.
Honestly I'm not sure. Like I said though, at 3.5 gram doses I barely crave it in the morning any more. I feel pretty normal when I wake as opposed to horrid anxiety. I may have to go down to .5 a day but I think I'm gonna jump when my doses get to 2g. Or at least move to 1 daily dose before bed so I can sleep then taper that dose
 
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Honestly I'm not sure. Like I said though, at 3.5 gram doses I barely crave it in the morning any more. I feel pretty normal when I wake as opposed to horrid anxiety. I may have to go down to .5 a day but I think I'm gonna jump when my doses get to 2g. Or at least move to 1 daily dose before bed so I can sleep then taper that dose
I like it. Seems like pre bed is the hardest to get away from since the sleep on it is just fantastic.

I tracked yesterday and just being aware of it, I went from over 150 caps a day to just under 120. Effortlessly.

I made a rule that no dose can be over 20 caps except morning and bed, and neither of those can be over 30. It ended up being 6 doses of 18 roughly. My goal is to remove a cap or two until I’m comfortable removing an entire dose, all the way to 3 doses only daily, and then continue to taper caps on those 3, so I don’t have peaks and valleys of feeling shytty.

Glad it’s going well for you bro.
 
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I like it. Seems like pre bed is the hardest to get away from since the sleep on it is just fantastic.

I tracked yesterday and just being aware of it, I went from over 150 caps a day to just under 120. Effortlessly.

I made a rule that no dose can be over 20 caps except morning and bed, and neither of those can be over 30. It ended up being 6 doses of 18 roughly. My goal is to remove a cap or two until I’m comfortable removing an entire dose, all the way to 3 doses only daily, and then continue to taper caps on those 3, so I don’t have peaks and valleys of feeling shytty.

Glad it’s going well for you bro.
Yeah tapering definitely seems to work well, as long as you're not chasing that :"high" feeling. Because that is gone for me.
 
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Yeah tapering definitely seems to work well, as long as you're not chasing that :"high" feeling. Because that is gone for me.
Naw, and if I actually catch it, it’s accompanied by so much nausea it’s not worth it at all.
 
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I could stop Kratom cold turkey with Tramadol. Or some bupe. Pretty easy actually with either/or.
 
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I could stop Kratom cold turkey with Tramadol. Or some bupe. Pretty easy actually with either/or.
Got both. I get bad withdrawals from bupe though. even at 2mg/ day. Hw long you been a regular user? 3.5yrs for me. Havent gone a day without
 
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I could stop Kratom cold turkey with Tramadol. Or some bupe. Pretty easy actually with either/or.
That’s like quitting Xanax with vodka though for me. Kratom is best used getting off bupe or even Trammy. To me, either of them would be worse to kick than Kratom, so I’d rather taper the Kratom all day long.
 
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Got both. I get bad withdrawals from bupe though. even at 2mg/ day. Hw long you been a regular user? 3.5yrs for me. Havent gone a day without
Probably the same as you- but I've weaned down a whole lot compared to what it was. I don't think i even felt the effects of kratom after 2 weeks, its more psychological dependency.
 
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That’s like quitting Xanax with vodka though for me. Kratom is best used getting off bupe or even Trammy. To me, either of them would be worse to kick than Kratom, so I’d rather taper the Kratom all day long.
I'm saying taper off with either one of those for one to two weeks... reasoning being you could come off kratom cold turkey if you had one or the other for a couple weeks. Pick your poison.
 
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Personally, I feel I will be dependent on something for the rest of my life, even if I don't feel the euphoric effects. Everyone has their vices- kratom in small doses I can deal with.
 
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I'm saying taper off with either one of those for one to two weeks... reasoning being you could come off kratom cold turkey if you had one or the other for a couple weeks. Pick your poison.
Trammies do intrigue me for this purpose. But I guess why Kratom feels safer is I don’t really chase the high like I for sure would with the other two. I like both all too much
 
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Trammies do intrigue me for this purpose. But I guess why Kratom feels safer is I don’t really chase the high like I for sure would with the other two. I like both all too much
Trams for 2 weeks is not going to give you WD or Seizures - I would highly recommend it, if you want to come off. 100% of people who have tried either or, like both too much. Opiates are the best drug on this planet, or universe.
 
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Trams for 2 weeks is not going to give you WD or Seizures - I would highly recommend it, if you want to come off. 100% of people who have tried either or, like both too much. Opiates are the best drug on this planet, or universe.
Unfortunately they are.
 
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Personally, I feel I will be dependent on something for the rest of my life, even if I don't feel the euphoric effects. Everyone has their vices- kratom in small doses I can deal with.
Ive came to reality with myself that ill always need something for pain and anti inflammatory so a small dose of kratom through out the day seems doable for me cause when the pain comes im reaching for something and I prefer kratom over ever being hooked on pain pills again plus there is no comparison money wise cause if it's pain pills then there I go again broke withdrawals and have nothing for pain so no sir I choose the other. But if its just a dependency thing then kratom can be beaten waaaay easier than pain pills I believe cause ive been without it and it sucks but not so bad that I couldn't wake up and have a day.
 
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Ive came to reality with myself that ill always need something for pain and anti inflammatory so a small dose of kratom through out the day seems doable for me cause when the pain comes im reaching for something and I prefer kratom over ever being hooked on pain pills again plus there is no comparison money wise cause if it's pain pills then there I go again broke withdrawals and have nothing for pain so no sir I choose the other. But if its just a dependency thing then kratom can be beaten waaaay easier than pain pills I believe cause ive been without it and it sucks but not so bad that I couldn't wake up and have a day.
For the first time I years, I got completely bunk Kratom. I’ve had some shytty strains, but if you take enough of it, it will work well enough to not be sick. What I had was not even the stems and twigs and dirt near a Kratom tree. It was nothing. I was cold sweating and slept awful but NOTHING like oxy or methadone or some god-awful opiates. I even worked from home sweating in a hoodie. Totally manageable. But, I’m not willing to go through that for weeks when I can drive 5 minutes to a smoke shop and fix it. So a taper is the best bet I have now. And I want that money freed up I’m spending every month so the incentive is there to do it.
 
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I'll get in on it... I take about 3-5 g of a green in the am and 5-8 g of red in the evening. Honestly at these doses it doesn't even feel like dependence. And I usually feel it when I take it so it works well for pain. Believe it or not when I lowered my dosages I actually begin to feel it more. Would like to drop it down some more honestly
 
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Yes the incentive to save some money has had me lower my dose and to be honest that was like 3 weeks ago and I like the new lesser protocol cause imma b honest I use it to brighten my day about half of my doses. I think more is only needed in certain situations (speaking of pain issues)cause my pain is pretty steady unless I, sat, deadlift too much or wrong and it flares up r something slips. Im rambling sorry. But I would advise n e 1 especially younger individuals to be weary of playing around with it cause there is a dark side to n e pain releaver. Howd catt williams say it: take 1 too many Tylenol and itll b your last headache.
 
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I'll get in on it... I take about 3-5 g of a green in the am and 5-8 g of red in the evening. Honestly at these doses it doesn't even feel like dependence. And I usually feel it when I take it so it works well for pain. Believe it or not when I lowered my dosages I actually begin to feel it more. Would like to drop it down some more honestly
It doesn’t seem to have a need for dose to be increased. You lose some of the high that you had when your opiate receptors are fresh (talkative and itchy) but the only reason I’ve reached such absurd doses is my addictive nature. I’m hoping to get to where you’re at by November and 5 grams or less at a time by January.
 
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It doesn’t seem to have a need for dose to be increased. You lose some of the high that you had when your opiate receptors are fresh (talkative and itchy) but the only reason I’ve reached such absurd doses is my addictive nature. I’m hoping to get to where you’re at by November and 5 grams or less at a time by January.
Right exactly bro... This is how it works basically it's only a partial mu opioid Agonist. So basically once it's hit the ceiling you can't go any higher. The more you take the more side effects you see the shakiness the nausea all that stuff with no extra feel good. There's a range which I believe is between 3 to 10 grams 10 being on the high side for most people that when you exceed it tolerance goes up and you see more side effects.

Honestly I feel really good in the range I'm at would like to go a little lower though. The green in the morning gives me a little bit of energy and feel good and then in the evening I take the red for pain. I think also taking the green gives my receptors a break so when I take the red at night it hits me harder.
 
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Here’s today’s so far. I hoped to be doing better but I switched brands and was experiencing wd symptoms:

Wed:
[email protected] - 15 grams
[email protected] - 8 grams
[email protected] - 7.5 grams
[email protected] - 8 grams

And I tend to take more at night but aggressively trying to taper and never going over 15 grams again. Want to be at 10grams max by next month and dosing 3-4 times a day tops.
It’s daunting but I gotta start moving in the right direction. Why not now...
 
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So what's this kratom all about? What does it do exactly and is it prescribed by doctors? Must be terrible to be addicted though, good luck to all of you.
 
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So what's this kratom all about? What does it do exactly and is it prescribed by doctors? Must be terrible to be addicted though, good luck to all of you.
Kills pain w/o the bad side effects of opoids and no doc needed can get online or smoke shop, AM has a kratom place here I forget their name.
 
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Kills pain w/o the bad side effects of opoids and no doc needed can get online or smoke shop, AM has a kratom place here I forget their name.
Ah so it's a bit of a grey area. is it dangerous though? Almost has to be since nothing is ever too good to be true
 
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Ah so it's a bit of a grey area. is it dangerous though? Almost has to be since nothing is ever too good to be true
Well its a blessing to me being I have to have for pain. But approach with caution if u r easily addicted cause it has a coffee type buzz and after u take even so much it can offer more sedative feeling. So less can b more to be. I personally use multiple small doses thru out day to keep pain at bay and I hardly use coffee n e more.
 
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Ah so it's a bit of a grey area. is it dangerous though? Almost has to be since nothing is ever too good to be true
Like many things in life the plant itself isnt inherently bad and has a lot of benefits if used properly. If the mind of the person using it is abusive and wanting to take more and more in as much as you can rather than taking as little as possible to get the therapeutic benefits from the plant then it's probably best to stay away. However if one can find the means to control the use and keep it to a minimal where they can reap the benefits then it is amazing. I myself come out of addiction and have a tendency to overuse things however I've also learned over time to find balance and to use things in moderation. It's a blessing for me too. It helps with pain and is a great mood enhancer when used responsibly.
 
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Like many things in life the plant itself isnt inherently bad and has a lot of benefits if used properly. If the mind of the person using it is abusive and wanting to take more and more in as much as you can rather than taking as little as possible to get the therapeutic benefits from the plant then it's probably best to stay away. However if one can find the means to control the use and keep it to a minimal where they can reap the benefits then it is amazing. I myself come out of addiction and have a tendency to overuse things however I've also learned over time to find balance and to use things in moderation. It's a blessing for me too. It helps with pain and is a great mood enhancer when used responsibly.
I took a hell of a lot of discipline for someone like me to just enjoy it once or twice a week, this all being true ^ , within several months I was using daily several times a day and unable to go without.
 
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I have been pretty much a daily user for almost 6 years now. When my second daughter was about to be born I tossed my pain pills for good and kratom did just enough to get me through the rough part. She turns 6 next month. I was on massive amounts of oxymorphone- an incredibly strong opiate. I can tell you that kratom does more for my pain than the rollercoaster of different prescribed opiates did. Makes me feel pretty good but definately not high. At my peak I was dosing 42g up on waking up and depending on strain 28-35g every 3-4 hours....for probably 3 years. I'd go through a kilo every 8-10 daysish. Needless to say I was hooked on kratom but that's nothing compared to the slave you are with prescription opiates. I decided I wanted to get off the kratom so I simply tried spacing my doses. Instead of every 4 hours I'd try to go 4 hours and 20 min. 4:30 if I could. Those little increments would be rough but really nothing you cant fight through....only half an hour. I just said I would never go backwards. As soon as the new interval became comfortable I'd move it back again - whether it be 2 days or a week. Eventually I was 1 dose less per day until I got myself to just 3 per day. At some point I actually couldn't take those massive doses anymore without getting shaky. Worst feeling ever imo. To sum it up I still use nearly everyday due to pain....more fusion surgeries on my spine than you can count on one hand. But I've taken days off to try to use otc NSAIDs and such but the pain is just too much and kratom almost always kills it 100%, it's amazing. But I dont get withdrawal symptoms at all anymore. Point being, at least for me there seems to be a threshold where it loses its grip on you. My usual regimen now is 19g 2-3 times a day as needed but still no cravings. There definately is a physical addiction with this stuff but it makes me wonder just how much of it is simply mental? All of us who struggle with addiction know the mental is the struggle anyway, at least my thought.

Sorry for the crazy long post but I think I had the kratom bug bad - was willing to never kick it for years. But this method really made it easy for me although took quite a while. If you dip below the effective dose on a taper then you still suffer. I just would rather suffer in 30 min spurts throughout the day.
 
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Have 5-8 strains and rotate them and don’t develop a significant tolerance :)
 
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I have been pretty much a daily user for almost 6 years now. When my second daughter was about to be born I tossed my pain pills for good and kratom did just enough to get me through the rough part. She turns 6 next month. I was on massive amounts of oxymorphone- an incredibly strong opiate. I can tell you that kratom does more for my pain than the rollercoaster of different prescribed opiates did. Makes me feel pretty good but definately not high. At my peak I was dosing 42g up on waking up and depending on strain 28-35g every 3-4 hours....for probably 3 years. I'd go through a kilo every 8-10 daysish. Needless to say I was hooked on kratom but that's nothing compared to the slave you are with prescription opiates. I decided I wanted to get off the kratom so I simply tried spacing my doses. Instead of every 4 hours I'd try to go 4 hours and 20 min. 4:30 if I could. Those little increments would be rough but really nothing you cant fight through....only half an hour. I just said I would never go backwards. As soon as the new interval became comfortable I'd move it back again - whether it be 2 days or a week. Eventually I was 1 dose less per day until I got myself to just 3 per day. At some point I actually couldn't take those massive doses anymore without getting shaky. Worst feeling ever imo. To sum it up I still use nearly everyday due to pain....more fusion surgeries on my spine than you can count on one hand. But I've taken days off to try to use otc NSAIDs and such but the pain is just too much and kratom almost always kills it 100%, it's amazing. But I dont get withdrawal symptoms at all anymore. Point being, at least for me there seems to be a threshold where it loses its grip on you. My usual regimen now is 19g 2-3 times a day as needed but still no cravings. There definately is a physical addiction with this stuff but it makes me wonder just how much of it is simply mental? All of us who struggle with addiction know the mental is the struggle anyway, at least my thought.

Sorry for the crazy long post but I think I had the kratom bug bad - was willing to never kick it for years. But this method really made it easy for me although took quite a while. If you dip below the effective dose on a taper then you still suffer. I just would rather suffer in 30 min spurts throughout the day.
Really good stuff here bro. I went backwards a little today but tomorrow I’ll push a bit more. I think I’m going to average it all out this week and just reduce a cap every dose until I’m down to 5-8 grams per dose, and then start pushing the times back as you stated.
 
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Really good stuff here bro. I went backwards a little today but tomorrow I’ll push a bit more. I think I’m going to average it all out this week and just reduce a cap every dose until I’m down to 5-8 grams per dose, and then start pushing the times back as you stated.
That's awesome...just chip away at it. We are lucky that its readily available and not crazy expensive. At least compared to a "real" drug addiction. In the end who cares if it takes a little longer than planned - when it's over, over. Glad to see you taking control and starting to beat this thing!
 
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That's awesome...just chip away at it. We are lucky that its readily available and not crazy expensive. At least compared to a "real" drug addiction. In the end who cares if it takes a little longer than planned - when it's over, over. Glad to see you taking control and starting to beat this thing!
Thank you friend...
I’ve come too far. I should be dead from my addictions... And God gave me a second chance to be the same Dad I was lucky enough to have so I took it... I refuse to let another addiction own me(even if it’s not killing me financially and not ruining my life, I still know I can conquer it with ease and should have already by now). Meanwhile, my kids want to play in football this year and go to summer camps, and my selfish ass could afford that every single month if I wasn’t letting this shyt own me and get my money. I’m fcking done with it.
 
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I'm really interested in how you guys used DXM to lower tolerance. Been doing a lot of reading but doses are all over the place - not something I'd like to overdue it with. On the other hand I have a tendency to believe the higher doses bc I'm "afraid" of it not doing anything. Does it increase the effectiveness at all or just allow you to take less for the same effects?
 

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I've gotten extremely, extremely high on ketamine. Vivid halucinations and unable to move for what felt like hours. It is commonly used as a tranquilizer for vetenarians.
Ketamine was first introduced in the first world war as an anesthetic given by medics in the field of battle. Effective for quick amputations etc...
 
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I'm really interested in how you guys used DXM to lower tolerance. Been doing a lot of reading but doses are all over the place - not something I'd like to overdue it with. On the other hand I have a tendency to believe the higher doses bc I'm "afraid" of it not doing anything. Does it increase the effectiveness at all or just allow you to take less for the same effects?
All of the above. It reduces tolerance supposedly. Additionally it alleviates wd symptoms too, so as you taper, it will help you feel better. We are talking maybe 1/5th of a first plateau “trip” so as long as you don’t keep increasing it won’t mess you up. It’s actually a fascinating drug
 
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All of the above. It reduces tolerance supposedly. Additionally it alleviates wd symptoms too, so as you taper, it will help you feel better. We are talking maybe 1/5th of a first plateau “trip” so as long as you don’t keep increasing it won’t mess you up. It’s actually a fascinating drug
So say a 100kg /220lb person would start at something like 30mg dxm? Is this taken an hour or so before kratom dose? Very interested in lowering doses.....
 
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So say a 100kg /220lb person would start at something like 30mg dxm? Is this taken an hour or so before kratom dose? Very interested in lowering doses.....
Blue light probably has all kinds of accurate guides on this. I didn’t notice a ton with it, but I’m terrible at tapering or reducing dosage. I would think minimum 60mg though.
 
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Blue light probably has all kinds of accurate guides on this. I didn’t notice a ton with it, but I’m terrible at tapering or reducing dosage. I would think minimum 60mg though.
Thank you - sometimes I dont know what to make of the things I read on blue light. Some goofy m'fers over there posting at times.
 
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I have a personal grudge against DXM. I took too much and it prevented me from getting g some fiya strange. I passed out in the truck with her on the way to the Telly. For like 2 hrs. Out cold
 
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I have a personal grudge against DXM. I took too much and it prevented me from getting g some fiya strange. I passed out in the truck with her on the way to the Telly. For like 2 hrs. Out cold
Well damn, than I need to firebomb the Jager factory cause if it didn’t c-block me, I damn blacked it out anyhow.
 
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Lol
 
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Damn I’ve partaken in a lot of substances now that I think about it. How am I alive?
 
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