Kleen's Pumped Up with Anadraulic Pump! (LG Sponsored)
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MrKleen73
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Yes BCAA intake is part of your caloric intake. It is still a gram of protein that your are taking in. So you have to include it in your count for the day if counting.
Yeah I agree totally with the protein scenario. The glycogen as well, which is why I am using mixed sources of carbs to get a quick win and a slower trickle, add that to the berberine turning on the glycgen store is in the muscle and you have a recipe for some serious glycogen replenishment. I have read in a couple places that oils do not slow absorbsion as much as solid fats and even those don't slow down absorbsion as much as we think it does. I just want the 2-3 hours surrounding my lifting to be as anabolic as possible while not fat storage inducing.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Wow I had posted a question about this before on AM and was told that it doesnt effect your calorie or protein intake so I never counted it. Guess I gotta back and factor it into my daily totals.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Oh for certain, protien digestion/absorbtion has more to do with need and how efficient the recipient is at handling nutrients. Nothing wrong with 100 grams after a tough workout your body will soak it up, especially if your and efficient body type.
Another thing about protein is the overall daily intake is also very dependant on how efficient your body type is. I am fine between 250-270 even when I am weighiing in around 240 which is not the right way to calculate how much protein you eat anyway. Lean mass size would be more appropriate, but there is no general formula for everyone, as I mentiioned it's about efficiancy. This important if your an efficient body type, if I'd known this sooner I could have saved myself a lot of unecessary fat gain.
MrKleen73
Legend
I typically only take in about 200-240 myself and thought about staying in that range and filling it in healthy fats. So this is something new for me being up in the 270 range. It is definitely still a project to see what happens. You were also influential in sparking my thoughts into how many meals I needed to be eating. Your success with less meals made me question if I needed to be annoying myself trying to get in 6 feedings or if I could get the same results out of 4 meals, 3 meals would a lot to eat per meal even at this calorie level so I went with 4. Not looking to stretch my stomach out. I researched a bit found some things to back up my thoughts and then made up a plan.
MrKleen73
Legend
Cardio 5 scoops - Holy DOMS Bat Man!
Cardio today was challenging being that I was pushing through some serious DOMS. When I stretch this morning after turning off the alarm I felt delicious pain all the way through my body and even moreso in my legs. I haven't had DOMS like this in awhile. A good 10 days of SD then going into a much higher volume program kicked my ass. My legs are sore with every step.
However my quad is no worse for the wear besides the DOMS, it doesn't feel inflamed or anything. Thank goodness the AP kicked in because I was not wanting to be on the bike but the energy kicked in and I was like what else am I gonna do now. LOL
Cardio today was challenging being that I was pushing through some serious DOMS. When I stretch this morning after turning off the alarm I felt delicious pain all the way through my body and even moreso in my legs. I haven't had DOMS like this in awhile. A good 10 days of SD then going into a much higher volume program kicked my ass. My legs are sore with every step.
However my quad is no worse for the wear besides the DOMS, it doesn't feel inflamed or anything. Thank goodness the AP kicked in because I was not wanting to be on the bike but the energy kicked in and I was like what else am I gonna do now. LOL
MrKleen73
Legend
To be honest my legs rub together when not pumped so them getting pumped has no effect on my cardio at all. Besides I have never done anything like riding a bike or sprinting where my legs were not pumped. If it has any effect though it would bring more nutrients and oxygen to the muscles more quickly making you more efficient at producing energy and fat burning. Now I wouldn't take it with say a grappling class or something because the pump from that will fill the arms with to much blood to hold grips any longer. Then it becomes problematic for dexterity reasons but not so with your typical cardio session.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Cool, less meals works for me so well, I tend to get very hungry around meal time and stay more satiated with larger meals which in turn helps me to not overeat. Thought is my body trying to tell me something. Then when I went to less meals I gained less fat and my lean gains were as good as or even better than ever. Now I am on about 500-600 calorie defecit and I still manage to put on mass. The nutrition timing has to be playing a major role.
MrKleen73
Legend
All of this comes completely into play tomorrow. Basically kicking of a contest type diet now. Composition has stalled due to the halfway inactive recovery. Now I am healthy enough to continue to push regularly with some intensity.
MrKleen73
Legend
Yesterday 1 AS-GT, 5 Anadraulic Pump
I had 2 workouts planned yestrerday so I went big. Well we did not do a medicine ball type of workout at MMA this time. We did 45 minutes of NON STOP BAG SMASHING FUN, ALL POWER PUNCHES AND KICKS!
HOLY CRAP! I was not in condition for that class. We were not even taking 30 second round breaks until 20 minutes in. I puked on the first one because as soon as we stopped my body realized how gassed I was andd how much I had already pushed myself through. My shirt, and shorts were soaked all the way through. I got back on the floor after puking and we did some more then started doing resistance sprints, one of us would hold a belt around the others waiste and pull against what ever direction the other was sprinting. It did not take a whole lot more to get me in the bathroom losing toenails in the toilet from heaving. When I got done they finished the class I only missed the cool down. WOW! What a workout. Well I got back home and found I wasn't going to get to the gym.
I just took my AS-GT before starting this and am getting ready to take my AP and then head to the gym. I will be back with another update soon.
Oh Yeah I got my APT sleeves in, I can definitely wear the legs ones during a leg workout but not for anytype of cardio stuff like yesterday. I also don't think they will be needed much on this workout. If so in the very end of it. The arms sleeves came a size larger than I ordered and thank God! They are still too tight on my forearms. My hands get a little purplish after a minute or two of them being on. I am sre they will loosen a bit after wearing them more though. Popeye forearms and big calves, I am so cursed LOL. I know don't complain...
I do kind of wish I could have gotten some of the APT Heavy's and not the double ply but I think these will be great for heavy days. Just not much carryover for any other activity. I will get another set for that I think. Something to just keep it nice warm and a little extra support. Be back shortly with the update from this workout.
Gonna go at it and kill it.
I had 2 workouts planned yestrerday so I went big. Well we did not do a medicine ball type of workout at MMA this time. We did 45 minutes of NON STOP BAG SMASHING FUN, ALL POWER PUNCHES AND KICKS!
HOLY CRAP! I was not in condition for that class. We were not even taking 30 second round breaks until 20 minutes in. I puked on the first one because as soon as we stopped my body realized how gassed I was andd how much I had already pushed myself through. My shirt, and shorts were soaked all the way through. I got back on the floor after puking and we did some more then started doing resistance sprints, one of us would hold a belt around the others waiste and pull against what ever direction the other was sprinting. It did not take a whole lot more to get me in the bathroom losing toenails in the toilet from heaving. When I got done they finished the class I only missed the cool down. WOW! What a workout. Well I got back home and found I wasn't going to get to the gym.
I just took my AS-GT before starting this and am getting ready to take my AP and then head to the gym. I will be back with another update soon.
Oh Yeah I got my APT sleeves in, I can definitely wear the legs ones during a leg workout but not for anytype of cardio stuff like yesterday. I also don't think they will be needed much on this workout. If so in the very end of it. The arms sleeves came a size larger than I ordered and thank God! They are still too tight on my forearms. My hands get a little purplish after a minute or two of them being on. I am sre they will loosen a bit after wearing them more though. Popeye forearms and big calves, I am so cursed LOL. I know don't complain...
I do kind of wish I could have gotten some of the APT Heavy's and not the double ply but I think these will be great for heavy days. Just not much carryover for any other activity. I will get another set for that I think. Something to just keep it nice warm and a little extra support. Be back shortly with the update from this workout.
Gonna go at it and kill it.
MrKleen73
Legend
AS-GT 2 scoops! Anadraulic Pump 5 scoops
Man I was a madman in the gym, I was aggressive and moving like a machine. This was the second version of the work out, it is harder to complete due to having both step ups and lunges in it. Those really end up being 40 rep sets counting both legs and that kicks the ish out of you... They are actually harder too because using the same weight as the squats and deads on a single leg movement. Weight was 20 lbs for everything but the Side Row and bench dips were 15. 20 reps for everything no rest period 3 times through.
DB Squat
Incline DB Press
Step Up
One Arm DB Row
Romanian Dead Lift
Overhead DB Press
Dumbell Lunge
Side Row
Bench Dip
Let me tell you I was pumped to the gills. By the second set of romanians when I popped up chest high I looked so huge, lats flaired chest swolen and just sitting there. Shoulder and arms both pumped. By the end of the workout I was drenched in sweat and looking huge. My quads were hanging out over my knee a little. I was fuggin pumped! I really do enjoy being able to add the AS-GT into the mix on the weekends. I gives me a readyness for the weights that isn't just from a stim... Tuesday we begin the real program no more breaking in. Start weight on DB for first four will be 30, Next 3 25, and 12 on last 2. Trust me this one will be EXTREMELY hard to complete without stopping. Grip alone becomes an issue. I will probably wear my wraps just in case for the last set. Those 30s will be harder to hold on too for that long. I am really loving the challenge of this workout. I also got myself a mueller strapped adjustable knee sleeve much lighter weight that I can wear for this and martial arts training.
Man I was a madman in the gym, I was aggressive and moving like a machine. This was the second version of the work out, it is harder to complete due to having both step ups and lunges in it. Those really end up being 40 rep sets counting both legs and that kicks the ish out of you... They are actually harder too because using the same weight as the squats and deads on a single leg movement. Weight was 20 lbs for everything but the Side Row and bench dips were 15. 20 reps for everything no rest period 3 times through.
DB Squat
Incline DB Press
Step Up
One Arm DB Row
Romanian Dead Lift
Overhead DB Press
Dumbell Lunge
Side Row
Bench Dip
Let me tell you I was pumped to the gills. By the second set of romanians when I popped up chest high I looked so huge, lats flaired chest swolen and just sitting there. Shoulder and arms both pumped. By the end of the workout I was drenched in sweat and looking huge. My quads were hanging out over my knee a little. I was fuggin pumped! I really do enjoy being able to add the AS-GT into the mix on the weekends. I gives me a readyness for the weights that isn't just from a stim... Tuesday we begin the real program no more breaking in. Start weight on DB for first four will be 30, Next 3 25, and 12 on last 2. Trust me this one will be EXTREMELY hard to complete without stopping. Grip alone becomes an issue. I will probably wear my wraps just in case for the last set. Those 30s will be harder to hold on too for that long. I am really loving the challenge of this workout. I also got myself a mueller strapped adjustable knee sleeve much lighter weight that I can wear for this and martial arts training.
MrKleen73
Legend
Cardio today, 5 scoops of wake the fug up!
I was tired as all get out this morning, really not feeling like getting out of bed. It was raining hard this morning and on top of that I didn't sleep as well as usual last night. So I got up put a little energy in my cup and took care of business. I am glad I had AP, cuz I was not even wanting to do anything once I got there. However about 5 minutes in I got that energy kick and it was all over from there, 45 minutes and 409 cals later I hop off the bike, legs looking like I just had one hell of a leg workout they were so pumped.
Once again I have to reiterate here my legs get pumped from cardio, I hear others mentioning not wanting a pump product during cardio thining it may cause issues with the ability to do cardio. The pump does not bother me at all actually I feel my legs get more benefit from it than not. Especially since I can't lift heavy on them right now.
I have been a little lax on nutrition lately and am tightening everything back up this week. I am still feeling out when I will do a show this year. I am starting to lose a little size, not much but I am losing a little LBM. I have not decided if I will be able to do the show in July or if it is smarter to wait until an October show. The one in July is in Austin Tx, and my kids really want to come. Dragging them there doesn't seem to be the best idea. Also I am not sure that I will be able to come in as big if I don't give myself more time after wards to try to get some of my size back. My arms and legs have gone down some from not being able to smash the weights and my back is probably smaller too. My legs shrink up kind of quickly to a certain point then just stop. I may lose another half inch before this is over unless this program ends up putting a little size on. It has the capabilty according to the program so I may be jumping the gun here thinking I will be smaller after this program concludes. I am starting the 30% week this week, however once I hit the 60% this thing is gonna be stupid hard. It is challenging at sub 30% but even tomorrow is going to be ridiculously hard. Like I said I may need my wraps to keep a hold of the dumbells by the end of the second giant set.
I was tired as all get out this morning, really not feeling like getting out of bed. It was raining hard this morning and on top of that I didn't sleep as well as usual last night. So I got up put a little energy in my cup and took care of business. I am glad I had AP, cuz I was not even wanting to do anything once I got there. However about 5 minutes in I got that energy kick and it was all over from there, 45 minutes and 409 cals later I hop off the bike, legs looking like I just had one hell of a leg workout they were so pumped.
Once again I have to reiterate here my legs get pumped from cardio, I hear others mentioning not wanting a pump product during cardio thining it may cause issues with the ability to do cardio. The pump does not bother me at all actually I feel my legs get more benefit from it than not. Especially since I can't lift heavy on them right now.
I have been a little lax on nutrition lately and am tightening everything back up this week. I am still feeling out when I will do a show this year. I am starting to lose a little size, not much but I am losing a little LBM. I have not decided if I will be able to do the show in July or if it is smarter to wait until an October show. The one in July is in Austin Tx, and my kids really want to come. Dragging them there doesn't seem to be the best idea. Also I am not sure that I will be able to come in as big if I don't give myself more time after wards to try to get some of my size back. My arms and legs have gone down some from not being able to smash the weights and my back is probably smaller too. My legs shrink up kind of quickly to a certain point then just stop. I may lose another half inch before this is over unless this program ends up putting a little size on. It has the capabilty according to the program so I may be jumping the gun here thinking I will be smaller after this program concludes. I am starting the 30% week this week, however once I hit the 60% this thing is gonna be stupid hard. It is challenging at sub 30% but even tomorrow is going to be ridiculously hard. Like I said I may need my wraps to keep a hold of the dumbells by the end of the second giant set.
GoHardOrGoHme
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what do u think is causing the loss in LBM? The lack of calories or the injuries not allowing to smasht he weights? Or a little bit of both?
I mean for u those calories care really low...im floating at those cals and my LBM is probably 20-30lbs less then urs.
I mean for u those calories care really low...im floating at those cals and my LBM is probably 20-30lbs less then urs.
DreamWeaver
Legend
I did 3 hours of cardio this weekend all in 45 minute sessions, thank God I found a half bottle of Meltdown to help he get through it cuz I am off the OEP right now. I have some Motivate on the way to see me through some of the tougher times untill I get back on OEP 3 weeks from Friday.
I had some pretty heavy duty light headedness/dizzy spells after my morning session yesterday despite taking in my oatmeal and fruit. I guess the low carb day the day before had taken it's toll. I was starving when meal 2 came around, man I really enjoyed it too!! I can feel the nutrients going back into my body ever time I eat..especially when I use a nutrient partitioner, it's body bliss!!
oufinny
Well-known member
Sounds like the new AS-GT is pretty sick Kleen, and you already know I am a fan of AP. I wish I still had some so I could try it for morning cardio, a leg pump after HIIT sounds like a great start to the day! FYI, here is the link to my log if you want to follow along.
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MrKleen73
Legend
It is the lack of intensity in my lifting. I have ALWAYS responded well to lower reps higher intensity. Most peoples "Growth" happens in the 8-12 reps range. My range has always been 4-8 but much higher than that and I don't seem to grow as much. When I am not lifting as heavy I always drop some LBM, just happens. It comes back quickly but it drops because there is no longer a need for me to carry that much muscle. I am a pretty big guy normally so it only drops a certain amount but the body wants homoestasis so If I am not pounding it out it say hey it is much easier to maintain this body with less muscle since we aren't using it like we were...
Calorically no definitely not that. I am doing well to maintain my body weight at 198 so far, but I am not as tight as I was. The swole look in the arms is not as obvious, and I just don't FEEL as big. It really could all be mental, but I feel I have lost some of the new muscle mass I put on this fall and winter. Now that Still isn't too bad because I had already added some good muscle this summer too. However I am about where I would probably be 194-195 around 7% now instead of closer to 198ish as I originally expected... I am also have enough body hair right now to make a wig so I may be wrong and just not seeing the same level of cuts and vascularity due to the hair. I laughed the wife wanted to tan yesterday, we went I only did 10 minutes but you could see that my skin was white under the thicker parts of my body hair.
All of the weight I gained this winter was done from 3000 cals a day, sometimes venturing to 3500, but mostly 3000 a day. Remeber how quickly I smoothed out, that I had to keep adjusting down and cutting things back, 3500 had me gain fat. NOT OKAY. I am going to stick with my calories around the 2500 range. This is basically my maintenance level as i have learned it for me. Everytime I try to use what others do for a baseline I get heavy and quickly. I just have a very efficient system that doesn't require as much food to do it's thing. I see little guys eating 4 k a day and it boggles me. You would think I could do that bulking safely at my wait but that would just have me being well the guy in my before picture.
What ingredient in OEP requires that you only use it for 8 weeks? Obviously not the geranium. It is in Jack3d, Motivate, OEP, Anadraulic Pump. Maybe it is the adaptogenic?
Man I am hungry as fug, almost time to eat too! Liking the fewer meals I don't miss them cuz I am hungry by the time they get here.
Yeah I like it. From reading others I got the feeling there was a huge energy kick associated with the AS-GT, I got more of an intensity from it, an extra aggression. Add that to the energy from Anadraulic Pump and you have one hell of a training mindset with the energy to back it up.
Oh yeah heading to sub that log too.
On another note, I have finished my bottle of TNA and have 2 more days of the T-Force. My Anadraulic Pump is starting to get low. I am not sure how many servings I have left probably another 3-5 doses at 5 scoops from the look of it so I am expecting this log to round up about the end of the week or so. It has been fun so far. Has proven itself as a great pump product in a lot of different lifting scenarios, that says a lot in my book.
DreamWeaver
Legend
I think you need a break to re-establish resistance... maybe only 3 weeks off..
oufinny
Well-known member
Every suggestion from Casey/Jacob/Strategic has all been a 4 week break, mainly putting Recreate in play during that time and then running it with OEP after the break. If I had the funds, I would be running both together no question.
DreamWeaver
Legend
That's basically what I am doing but I will run out of Recreate, incidently Motivate is just there for when I really need it, will not be using it daily. Cardio may get a little rough. I go back down to 4.5 hours a week when I start training again though so maybe I'll be ok.
MrKleen73
Legend
Well I am off of it for a bit. Probably the rest of this month, ReCreate too. I am using a transdermal I made right now. I haven't decided what diet pill to run in the interim. I thought about DCP, but I may just hold off. One is that funds are low and 2 funds are low. However I think DCP may stack REALLY well with ReCreate since ReCreate burns fat preferentially for energy and DCP frees fatty acids and stops them from redepositing via the Salvia. Man I miss having the Salvia powder available at NP... Stuff was AWESOME!!!!
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
It is my understanding that the reason we cycle all USP products is more due to the fact that since they are herbally based, they have a finite cureve of effectiveness that will diminish with long durations of use. The caffeine ane the 1,3 are not the reason to cycle even though cycling stimulants keeps the stim rush strong.
oufinny
Well-known member
Definitely, but 8 weeks is the shortest time I have seen USP Labs recommend. I have enough OEP at home for one more run, but I am saving it for later. Like a month later...
Maybe I should get some Reset AD during this month. Let everything reset completely.
I highly recommend Reset AD, amazing how it really makes any stim usage so much more effective. I felt my OEP this morning in literally 10-15 minutes after dosing with Reset AD... great stuff.
MrKleen73
Legend
JUST FUGGING INTENSE!!! 5 scoops Anadraulic Pump
Ok so here is how it went down. I increased the weights on my moves to 30% of my 10 rep max, this is the actual starting point for the program. All exercises get 20 reps, done in 3 giant sets NO REST!!!!!
DB Deadlift 30, DB Flat Bench 30, DB Squats 30, Wide bent over rows 25, Romanian DL 25, Shrugs 25, Arnold Presses 17.5, Reverse Lunges 17.5, Bench Dips 17.5 No rest repeat!!!!!
Well I noticed on the first set that the 10 lb jump was big enough to make this much more difficult. By the end of my second set of squats I was already very pumped everywhere. My legs and chest were pumped to the gills. By the end of the second set the lunges had already gotten to feel almost impossible. I had to remind myself I was 2/3rds of the way done and just keep going. I was dripping sweat like I was a fire sprinkler system. The 3rd set of Deads were very hard. The tiny peice of bitch in me tried to raise it's hand but I bitch smacked it back down and told it to shut up cuz grown ups were doing business here... 3rd set bench wow 30's and this is getting hard to complete, my triceps were worn from the Arnolds and Bench dips so these were rough... Romanians, thank God I think as I start them, around 15 I was no longer thankful and was hating my self for starting this program. LOL I have to be honest here, I did not think I would finish the reverse lunges, I had to stop 3 times for a couple seconds, the last 10 on each leg were so deliberate because each lunge had become an act of sheer determination. Bench Dips, this one thank goodness was sooo much easier than the lunges the effort seemed easy even though I had slowed down considerably from the first set.
Completed!!!!!! Holy Crap that was awesome. I had to lay on the bench, strip my gloves off because even those felt confining and keeping me from catching my breath. My shirt had no visible dry spots and I was looking full as fug! I have 2 more of these this week then we go up to 40% of 10 rep max. I am so happy that there will be 2 weeks of 40% I don't thnk I would be able to go directly to 50% after only one week. It will take the extra week to build the conditioning and stamina reqired to finish this program at 50%.
I don't think I would have completed the program without the extra juice from the Anadraulic State, and like I said I was pumped to the gills. Still am actually. Now I am going to go eat then later go to my daughters school and have lunch with her for her birth day. She is 6 years old today.
P.S. Side note, my wife is now cussing me out, looking over at me during the workout and telling me she hates me and fug you... LOL She doesn't mean it, and is joking with me. The workout is really kicking her ass too. She tells me she keeps wanting to quit and looks over and sees me keep moving on like a machine regardless of how hard I am breathing. Let me tell you it was like I was sprinting for 30 minutes. I gather the weghts ahead of time so there is no down time just grab the next set of weights and go. So 2-5 seconds between exercises I have to change weights none if the weight doesn't change.
MAN I FEEL LIKE A MACHINE! Intensity is so off the charts on this program, I am in a love hate relationship with it already. If anyone wants to cut up without cardio I recomend this program whole heartedly. WOW!
Ok so here is how it went down. I increased the weights on my moves to 30% of my 10 rep max, this is the actual starting point for the program. All exercises get 20 reps, done in 3 giant sets NO REST!!!!!
DB Deadlift 30, DB Flat Bench 30, DB Squats 30, Wide bent over rows 25, Romanian DL 25, Shrugs 25, Arnold Presses 17.5, Reverse Lunges 17.5, Bench Dips 17.5 No rest repeat!!!!!
Well I noticed on the first set that the 10 lb jump was big enough to make this much more difficult. By the end of my second set of squats I was already very pumped everywhere. My legs and chest were pumped to the gills. By the end of the second set the lunges had already gotten to feel almost impossible. I had to remind myself I was 2/3rds of the way done and just keep going. I was dripping sweat like I was a fire sprinkler system. The 3rd set of Deads were very hard. The tiny peice of bitch in me tried to raise it's hand but I bitch smacked it back down and told it to shut up cuz grown ups were doing business here... 3rd set bench wow 30's and this is getting hard to complete, my triceps were worn from the Arnolds and Bench dips so these were rough... Romanians, thank God I think as I start them, around 15 I was no longer thankful and was hating my self for starting this program. LOL I have to be honest here, I did not think I would finish the reverse lunges, I had to stop 3 times for a couple seconds, the last 10 on each leg were so deliberate because each lunge had become an act of sheer determination. Bench Dips, this one thank goodness was sooo much easier than the lunges the effort seemed easy even though I had slowed down considerably from the first set.
Completed!!!!!! Holy Crap that was awesome. I had to lay on the bench, strip my gloves off because even those felt confining and keeping me from catching my breath. My shirt had no visible dry spots and I was looking full as fug! I have 2 more of these this week then we go up to 40% of 10 rep max. I am so happy that there will be 2 weeks of 40% I don't thnk I would be able to go directly to 50% after only one week. It will take the extra week to build the conditioning and stamina reqired to finish this program at 50%.
I don't think I would have completed the program without the extra juice from the Anadraulic State, and like I said I was pumped to the gills. Still am actually. Now I am going to go eat then later go to my daughters school and have lunch with her for her birth day. She is 6 years old today.
P.S. Side note, my wife is now cussing me out, looking over at me during the workout and telling me she hates me and fug you... LOL She doesn't mean it, and is joking with me. The workout is really kicking her ass too. She tells me she keeps wanting to quit and looks over and sees me keep moving on like a machine regardless of how hard I am breathing. Let me tell you it was like I was sprinting for 30 minutes. I gather the weghts ahead of time so there is no down time just grab the next set of weights and go. So 2-5 seconds between exercises I have to change weights none if the weight doesn't change.
MAN I FEEL LIKE A MACHINE! Intensity is so off the charts on this program, I am in a love hate relationship with it already. If anyone wants to cut up without cardio I recomend this program whole heartedly. WOW!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah I have done giant sets and know exactly what your talking about... I had one shoulder routine where I did 3 sets almost all double drops. Just nasty but the workouts were done very quicly... I was always good at this kind of training. I may consider bringing one of these back for the last 4 weeks.
Silver3CSRT8
Well-known member
I just got tired by reading your workout.
oufinny
Well-known member
I hear you Silver, that makes my HST program look like a warm-up compared to that. Nastiness I tell you!
MrKleen73
Legend
I think it would do some good getting the last few lbs off. According to the magazine it will actually add a little mass too. The last week is 60% so that will be 20 reps at 60lbs per db on the first 3 exercises. Honestly 20 reps for 3 sets with 60 with rest would be challenging so this would be ridiculous in a giant set. I have done them before but this whole body thing takes everything out of you. Leg work every other set almost it gets darn debilitating.
Yeah, it was awesome and horrible at the same time. Honestly this is harder than any other program I have done in a LONG time. My conditioning is going to be through the roof in 6 weeks. I will be manhandling people in my MMA class becuase I will be in a lot better condition than they are. WooHoo! MrBigPR brought up Gorilla Cardio and I think I am gonna try that once my leg is better too. It is a 20 second all out sprint, 10 second walk 20 second sprint, the goal is to get to 4 minutes like this. He was telling me you would want to only start with 2 cycles at first but that this was supposed to be the most efficient way to burn fat. I wanna check it out but I need to be 100% in the quad for that.
Yeah man you gotta give this a shot on you next cut if you can. By the way this is not my worn workout, it is from Muscle and Fitness I think I already mentioned it. I still have the magaqzine around here somewhere and can cop the pages and sent it to anyone who wants to try it. Of course if I cant find it I can easily tell you the program, it is very simple but very hard.
Now a little music appropriate to the program.
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oufinny
Well-known member
Post up some scans of the article, I always like to have options! I do have a question for you though Kleen since you have recent experience with both. After I finish TNA I know I am going to want to continue a test booster while on this cut, do you recommend TestoPro or Hypertest and why? Keep in mind I will run that right up to my Natadrol run and then have one for PCT after (T-911 to be specific). I know I will need to get some more LG BC+EAA or RecoverPro soon so I want to add one of those to my order.
Army Guy
Well-known member
Kleen I know how your wife feels!!!! I have cursed your name during your Kleen Workout from Hell you sent me. I am praising your name, however, after I have some of these cadets puking in a trash can from doing the same workout... it gives me power to see their pain!!!!!
MrKleen73
Legend
Honestly I enjoyed HyperTest, but TestoPro was a superior product for me. It worked at the actual dose without need for more. HyperTest worked but didn't catch up to TestoPro until I took the Advanced dosing with 2 extra caps in the AM. Oh yeah on the usp labs direct site Jacob mention possibly making TNA a retail product due too all of the positive response to it.
oufinny
Well-known member
I know they have so many products in the pipeline but TNA seems relatively non-complex and should be easy enough to mass produce. If it does come back I am sure that people will be very happy; I can't wait to see what it does for me after 10 days... I don't mind running Hypertest at a higher dosage, it would actually work for my time frame a little better if I ran out faster. That being said, I really want to try TestoPro, decisions decsions!
MrKleen73
Legend
Here is what I would do then. Testopro with 2 extra mid day. This would be friggin phenominal. DW is doing this and getting great results. That would also shorten up the bottle to a 3 week instead of 30 day stack. For Hypertest I would get 2 bottles and run for 6 weeks at the advanced dose but take advance dose every day not just on workout days.
My only complaint with TNA is that there is only 20 days worth of pills in the bottle. If it were a full month supply for the price I would love it but since it isn't TestoPro gets my dollars. I plan to run them together later in the year. I think they would compliment each other very well. Extra Divanil, add in Buglarian Trib, Avena Sateva to the free test boosting testofen and estrgen modulation of I3C, I think you have really got something fun to play with. However I think I am going to make Stoked a staple for me. Stoked really kicked TestoPro into another level.
oufinny
Well-known member
High dose TestoPro seems like the way to go; I respond well to Testofen so even more should kick it up even more. I tried three days of N2BM HCGenerate, that stuff is retarded Kleen. It is TestoPro, T-Force and some extra as well... if you look at the price it is right in line with buying both of those. I would like to run that later in the year or may just do my T-911 next then do either TestoPro/TForce for PCT... all this depends on if I get chosen for Pink Magic or not, that will throw a really AMAZING wrench into the gears!
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah it would he said something about having some to ship me but I haven't heard anything since then.
emnozeyella
New member
new here but already a mrkleen fan subbed
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
Kleen you know im not big on T-boosters but the supersaps im on is just ridiculous. Im naturally a very aggressive and randy but on 6-7 grams of supersaps a day, im another person.
And in the gym...ill post up a log soon to show how my strength is sky rocketing.
And in the gym...ill post up a log soon to show how my strength is sky rocketing.
DreamWeaver
Legend
I didn't just dive into that dosing scheme, Testopro is strong, ease into higher dosing 4 for 2 weeks 5 for 2 weeks then 6 for the rest of the cycle. Assess your reaction as it makes you pretty agressive.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thank You Sir and glad to have you here!
SuperSap is no joke man. Major aggression strength gains also good for those on cycle who get prolactin gyno because it lowers prolactin levels, making you yet even more MAN!!!
True that but you were taking the SWOLE Stack to, I have to say that STOKED really upped the anti on TestoPro, I think high dose of TPro would be managable by itself but if taking the STOKED with it for sure step into it. Of course if you want to be careful you could simply take it as recomended and jkust stop at 3 weeks and save what is left for your next test stack. However, since you are continuing on from 20 days of TNA I think you could go to a higher dose of TPro without too much to worry about as you have already stepped upy your T levels to high levels. Sex drive on TPro will be higher though. The Testofen in it assures that.
oufinny
Well-known member
Gentlemen, I will solve this now: Formadrol Extreme has been purchased today due to the ridiculous sale. I will either run this or T-911 next. I can't pass up a proven testbooster/AI for $20! I will surely run TestoPro/Stoked combo in the future, most likely after my Prime run. I appreciate both your insights, it is so refreshing to know that answers are only a few questions away on AM.
MrKleen73
Legend
Cardio today, 5 scoops AP = pumped legs!
My legs were nice and swollen when I got off the bike today, I did more interval based training so I had some higher resistance levels in there and BAM pumped like a mofugga! I think I am gonna give the elliptical with the hand movement a go and up the resistance there next time to see if I get a complete and full body pump.
Has anyone in here used Zyflamend, it is a natural anti-inflamatory sold at NP? It has high marks but no reviews. Really trying to throw everything I can at these injuries to get me in full force as soon as possible.
Oh yeah, I hit the bottom of the bottle while digging out my dose today. The end is near...
My legs were nice and swollen when I got off the bike today, I did more interval based training so I had some higher resistance levels in there and BAM pumped like a mofugga! I think I am gonna give the elliptical with the hand movement a go and up the resistance there next time to see if I get a complete and full body pump.
Has anyone in here used Zyflamend, it is a natural anti-inflamatory sold at NP? It has high marks but no reviews. Really trying to throw everything I can at these injuries to get me in full force as soon as possible.
Oh yeah, I hit the bottom of the bottle while digging out my dose today. The end is near...
bradleywiens
Active member
Oh yeah, I hit the bottom of the bottle while digging out my dose today. The end is near...
Why must all good things come to an end?
MrKleen73
Legend
I know, I have really enjoyed the product so far. i could already give the review right now and it would be a positive one. After scraping the bottom today I am not sure if I have more than 10-15 scoops worth left...
Luckily I do still have AS-GT for some weekend workouts. I will probably continue to post up in here on those workouts just to give LG it's due. I want them to get as much out of the log as I did the product. Hopefully even with my injuries I have been providing them what they are looking for.
Luckily I do still have AS-GT for some weekend workouts. I will probably continue to post up in here on those workouts just to give LG it's due. I want them to get as much out of the log as I did the product. Hopefully even with my injuries I have been providing them what they are looking for.
oufinny
Well-known member
Kleen, your experiences with AP are almost identical to mine. It is really an amazing product that brings an excellent, mild stim/focus to PM trainers previously unavailable. I could use Jack3d but only 1 scoop or I am up all night, AP allows me to use a creatine non-stim like Domin, then throw 5 scoops of AP on top of that right before and BAM, hella pumps of epic proportion. LG needs to do a bigger tub though and put a bigger scoop in that is equivalent to 2.5 of the one they have then it would be phenomenal.
emnozeyella
New member
Same here...what a deal
bradleywiens
Active member
Looks like a lot of people are getting the same results off this stuff. It speaks to what a solid product this is. The 2.5 serving scoop is a great idea BTW.
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah it helped, 5 scoops helped more... I sweat more and felt more of the thermogenic effects of the geranium with 5 scoops during cardio. Since I don't take a diet pill when taking a PWO with stims the 5 was perfect for what I was going for. Thermo, energy and more blood to the muscles and tendons.