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KLEEN & QUEEN Get Lean with PX Black and a FINAFLEX PH Stack!

thebigt said:
cat wrote the song and sang the original version, but it was early in his career and he hadn't developed his range or style yet. rod on the other made this song his, one of his signature songs. sheryl crows version, meh...better than cat's no way close to rod's version.
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Cat would make his mark later, didn't know that. Cat Stevens ended up being 10X the artist anywho... Tea for the Tillerman one the rhe classic albums of all time.
 
My Dad, a sailor, introduced me to Cat when I was a wee lil pup. Cat, Jim Croce, James Taylor, Neil Young (CSN&Y), and then of course some psychedelic stuff. I'm a metalhead now, but I still appreciate the artistic talent of what and who I grew up on.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Cat would make his mark later, didn't know that. Cat Stevens ended up being 10X the artist anywho... Tea for the Tillerman one the rhe classic albums of all time.
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cat was a major artist back when we were young, lol....
 
iparatroop said:
My Dad, a sailor, introduced me to Cat when I was a wee lil pup. Cat, Jim Croce, James Taylor, Neil Young (CSN&Y), and then of course some psychedelic stuff. I'm a metalhead now, but I still appreciate the artistic talent of what and who I grew up on.
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Man those are some Classic artists right there, I am a big fan of them all...
 
Okay guys ready for some scary progress pictures. Keep in mind I ate a lot of calories and carbs this weekend so some of this will dry right off of me in the next couple days. Anyway I am not proud of them but that is why I entered that contest and you guys can be my support.

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No worries big man! After seeing your last transformation log and the vast knowledge you have in that head I know you are going to kill it. Btw....you need to shave your head....mine is just as bad right now tho lol.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Okay guys ready for some scary progress pictures. Keep in mind I ate a lot of calories and carbs this weekend so some of this will dry right off of me in the next couple days. Anyway I am not proud of them but that is why I entered that contest and you guys can be my support.

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I see a big beastly mofo ready to win a competition. It won't be long and you'll be sporting the full six pack again! Kill it bro!
 
Agreed with LTL bud, I've been following you guys since I've been on this forum. I've seen what you can do buddy. Time to get crazy. Btw you've got some serious mass under there bud.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Okay guys ready for some scary progress pictures. Keep in mind I ate a lot of calories and carbs this weekend so some of this will dry right off of me in the next couple days. Anyway I am not proud of them but that is why I entered that contest and you guys can be my support.

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Woah dude. That back is ridiculous!!! Looking huge kleen!
 
Yah Chris can do most anything he wants to. He's big and that is going show up even more shortly...
 
lol...nice before pics!!!

i bet by tomorrow you will look much leaner already!!!!
 
I have seen Chris recently, don't let those pics fool you he is still thick and muscular. Its just some fluff covering up years of mature muscle!
 
oufinny said:
I have seen Chris recently, don't let those pics fool you he is still thick and muscular. Its just some fluff covering up years of mature muscle!
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Ahhh thanks Fin... he had me completely fooled :) I knew he was going to do that...
 
Haha! Of course I let my diet slide over the weekend. I knew what Al had in store for me. I just ate to enjoy myself but yeah I am already dropping some water. Not as fast since I am not cutting carbs out completely. In all honesty I went from about 209-211lbs to 215lbs so was not a huge amount of spill over.

The last two days I was out of it. I was a bit sick to my stomach when I took my pictures on Monday. I ended up out of both work and the gym the last two days. Very frustrating way to start off my contest but that is okay. The plan for today is to get out and walk at lunch if possible then probably do a session on the elliptical when I get home.

Even though I missed the gym I am noticing some gains in my overall size. Just filling out my shirt a bit more. Not saying I am growing a lot from this or anything since I did just have a good 800 grams of carbs over the weekend it could easily be glycogen but regardless it seems like it is sticking a bit.

I did notice this morning for a little bit it felt like I had a small back pump. Only thing I can figure was it was from the extra carbs pumping up my body. That or I slept wrong on it. Tomorrow is supposed to be chest but I missed a back and biceps workout so I need to reschedule my plans for the rest of the week. It may be a THursday, Friday, Sat, & Sunday lift or something like that. Maybe just Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
 
Glad you are feeling better, I know all too well about being sick recently! You have some fun days in the gym ahead of you, may want to take off Saturday and hit Sunday but that is just how I would do it. Get at least one rest day in so you don't push yourself too much and get sick again.
 
Yeah either that or just do THurs-Sat and be done for the week. Will only try to get my 3 main splits this week then worry about adding more next week or if I am feeling great all of the sudden. I am definitely feeling the beginning effects of the stack and really want to take advantage of things. Today will be relatively low fat and moderate carbs with high protein. Currently sitting at 80grams protein 6g fat, and 55 grams carbs for the day.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah either that or just do THurs-Sat and be done for the week. Will only try to get my 3 main splits this week then worry about adding more next week or if I am feeling great all of the sudden. I am definitely feeling the beginning effects of the stack and really want to take advantage of things. Today will be relatively low fat and moderate carbs with high protein. Currently sitting at 80grams protein 6g fat, and 55 grams carbs for the day.
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Or you could smash your whole body Friday, take the weekend off and start fresh on Monday. Nah, maybe not. Too hard to stay out of the gym.
 
I think what will be best for my body is to hit my required 3 days of work before the weekend is over. I prefer to have Sunday off so that will leave the next 3 days for me to get in and lift. I will be going out for a walk for lunch here shortly. May end up doing some jogging but not sure depends on how the stomach is feeling. Right now still contemplating even going for my walk seems like I may want to wait until tomorrow before exerting myself too much. Stomach is very acidic, and distended at the moment. Not a happy feeling...
 
knock on wood but I rarely get sick, I got bronchitis on Xmas but that was just and infection but I have only had 2 minor colds in the last 3 years and before that I had a 6 year streak without a damn thing. I take echinacea if I feel I might get something and I have to watch stress and lack of sleep. I can only get sick if my system is down for one of these reasons. Like we have been discussing we are hard on our CMS and I know that can add the stress so we need be extra carefull with how else we live our lives. The good thing is, is that training seems to give my immune system a boost. Could be an adjustment my body makes for the extra stress I put it through.

Another factor is, is that everything I do revolvles around my efforts at the gym. That's where I do my partying. I have no nightlife whatsoever and am usually asleep by 9 pm. You know my diet is pretty tight as well. I love this sport and can't wait to got at it again Friday morning. :)
 
Yeah, I definitely love it and am ready to get back to it, unfortunately my stomach is still pretty acidic and swollen a bit. I am waiting until tomorrow to lift just to be safe. Today I will just eat nice and clean and leave it at that. If I hit my 2500 great if I am a little lower that is fine too since I did not get my cardio in today. Tomorrow is a new day and one I will be taking full advantage of physically. "Tomorrow it is Off to the races!"
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah, I definitely love it and am ready to get back to it, unfortunately my stomach is still pretty acidic and swollen a bit. I am waiting until tomorrow to lift just to be safe. Today I will just eat nice and clean and leave it at that. If I hit my 2500 great if I am a little lower that is fine too since I did not get my cardio in today. Tomorrow is a new day and one I will be taking full advantage of physically. "Tomorrow it is Off to the races!"
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Nice! Gonna kill it!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah, I definitely love it and am ready to get back to it, unfortunately my stomach is still pretty acidic and swollen a bit. I am waiting until tomorrow to lift just to be safe. Today I will just eat nice and clean and leave it at that. If I hit my 2500 great if I am a little lower that is fine too since I did not get my cardio in today. Tomorrow is a new day and one I will be taking full advantage of physically. "Tomorrow it is Off to the races!"
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you know it!!!!
 
Btw kleen! New log is up for my 240lb goal quest adventure awesomeness.
 
I am there!
 
Late but in to see how our 8 weeks of Fina-fun pan out brother! Probably end about the same time.

What bf % you think you're at now Kleen? Beast lats btw.
 
Damn kleen I go off am for a few days and I have like 7 pages to catch up on! Looking big man. I have no doubt that you'll lean up nicely with the knowledge you have in that head of yours!
 
Hyde said:
Late but in to see how our 8 weeks of Fina-fun pan out brother! Probably end about the same time.

What bf % you think you're at now Kleen? Beast lats btw.
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I would put myself between 15-20% my arms and legs are still pretty darn lean it is just my lower back abdomen and under my pec I am holding fat.

Lukef2000 said:
Damn kleen I go off am for a few days and I have like 7 pages to catch up on! Looking big man. I have no doubt that you'll lean up nicely with the knowledge you have in that head of yours!
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That is the plan, although this time around I am following a completely different approach in that I am doing low fat high carb instead of high fat low carb. So I am in a slightly new territory. We shall see how things go... Speaking of, here are my eats from yesterday. I Ate a little lower to create more of a deficit since I did not do cardio yesterday.

[h=2]March 6, 2013[/h] [TABLE="class: table0, width: 800"]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Foods[/TD]
[TD]Calories[/TD]
[TD]Carbs[/TD]
[TD]Fat[/TD]
[TD]Protein[/TD]
[TD]Cholest[/TD]
[TD]Sodium[/TD]
[TD]Sugars[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]Fiber[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]San - Platinum Isolate Supreme - All Flavors, 1.5 Scoop[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[TD]1g[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]41g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]75mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]0g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Optimum Nutrition - Gold Standard 100% Casien - Chocolate Supreme, 1.5 scoop (33g)[/TD]
[TD]180[/TD]
[TD]5g[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD]36g[/TD]
[TD]15mg[/TD]
[TD]330mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]2g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Quaker - Old Fashioned Rolled Oats - Dry, 1 cup[/TD]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]54g[/TD]
[TD]6g[/TD]
[TD]10g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]10g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]San - Platinum Isolate Supreme - All Flavors, 1.5 Scoop[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[TD]1g[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]41g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]75mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]0g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Optimum Nutrition - Gold Standard 100% Casien - Chocolate Supreme, 1.5 scoop (33g)[/TD]
[TD]180[/TD]
[TD]5g[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD]36g[/TD]
[TD]15mg[/TD]
[TD]330mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]2g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Quaker Oats - Old Fashioned Oatmeal - Dry, 0.5 cup[/TD]
[TD]150[/TD]
[TD]27g[/TD]
[TD]3g[/TD]
[TD]5g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]1g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]4g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Dole - Frozen Fruit - Wild Blueberries, 0.8 cup (140 g)[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]15g[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]8g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]5g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 3
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]San - Platinum Isolate Supreme - All Flavors, 1.5 Scoop[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[TD]1g[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]41g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]75mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]0g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Optimum Nutrition - Gold Standard 100% Casien - Chocolate Supreme, 1.5 scoop (33g)[/TD]
[TD]180[/TD]
[TD]5g[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD]36g[/TD]
[TD]15mg[/TD]
[TD]330mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]2g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Pork - Fresh, loin, tenderloin, lean only, cooked, roasted, 9.99 oz[/TD]
[TD]464[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]14g[/TD]
[TD]80g[/TD]
[TD]224mg[/TD]
[TD]159mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]0g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Ranch Style - Ranch Style Beans, 0.665 cup (131 g)[/TD]
[TD]173[/TD]
[TD]27g[/TD]
[TD]4g[/TD]
[TD]8g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]771mg[/TD]
[TD]3g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]9g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Hominy - Canned, yellow, 0.75 cup[/TD]
[TD]86[/TD]
[TD]17g[/TD]
[TD]1g[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]252mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]3g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]TOTAL:
[/TD]
[TD]2,272[/TD]
[TD]158g[/TD]
[TD]34g[/TD]
[TD]336g[/TD]
[TD]269mg[/TD]
[TD]2,397mg[/TD]
[TD]14g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]37g
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
^^ Always on point in his planning, less cals in place of cardio to keep the defecit. For all you newbies, take a page from Chris here and use it if you know you can't get a workout in. No reason he didn't get the benefits just like he did cardio with a choice to limit cals as if he did.
 
Diet changes done correctly are better choices and extra cardio for fat loss. There is a place for both but diet comes first. A perfect diet and you'd hardly have to do any cardio.
 
About how much time do you shoot for between each meal right now Kleen? Never tried a 4 meal split; I've been doing 5-7 meals daily for a long time now. Seems like 4 would work fine when not bulking tho. Im on that permabulk.
 
[h=2]March 7, 2013[/h] [TABLE="class: table0"]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Foods[/TD]
[TD]Calories[/TD]
[TD]Carbs[/TD]
[TD]Fat[/TD]
[TD]Protein[/TD]
[TD]Cholest[/TD]
[TD]Sodium[/TD]
[TD]Sugars[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]Fiber[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Trunutrition Sciences - Trutein - Banana Cream, 3 Scoop (34g)[/TD]
[TD]360[/TD]
[TD]15g[/TD]
[TD]3g[/TD]
[TD]75g[/TD]
[TD]60mg[/TD]
[TD]300mg[/TD]
[TD]3g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]8g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]San - Platinum Isolate Supreme - All Flavors, 1.5 Scoop[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[TD]1g[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]41g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]75mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]0g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Quaker Oats - Old Fashioned Oatmeal - Dry, 1 cup[/TD]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]54g[/TD]
[TD]6g[/TD]
[TD]10g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]8g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Optimum Nutrition - Gold Standard 100% Casien - Chocolate Supreme, 1.5 scoop (33g)[/TD]
[TD]180[/TD]
[TD]5g[/TD]
[TD]2g[/TD]
[TD]36g[/TD]
[TD]15mg[/TD]
[TD]330mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]2g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 3
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Chili's - Margarita Grilled Chicken W/Sides As Served, 1 plate[/TD]
[TD]550[/TD]
[TD]62g[/TD]
[TD]14g[/TD]
[TD]46g[/TD]
[TD]0mg[/TD]
[TD]1,870mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]8g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: title"]
[TD="class: first last, colspan: 9"]Meal 4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]Jennie-O - Smoked Turkey Drumstick, 12 oz.[/TD]
[TD]560
[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD]28g[/TD]
[TD]76g[/TD]
[TD]340mg[/TD]
[TD]2,400mg[/TD]
[TD]0g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]0g[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"]TOTAL:
[/TD]
[TD]2,115[/TD]
[TD]137g[/TD]
[TD]53g[/TD]
[TD]284g[/TD]
[TD]415mg[/TD]
[TD]4,975mg[/TD]
[TD]5g[/TD]
[TD="class: last"]26g
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Cals were lower again yesterday, as you can see protein was still high but I had to be creative last night to get some food in me that wouldn't sabotage my efforts. Not a lot of "Clean" foods at the rodeo imagine that. So I went with a smoked turkey leg... Speaking of legs they are starting to get sore and I am ready to go in and crush upper body tomorrow.

On a personal note Trinity absolutely loved her first concert. Took her to see Bruno Mars, man does that guy have some chops. Put on a better show than I expected and the attendance broke some world record too.
Hyde I normally have 3-4 hours between meals or for the most part have a morning shake then a whole food meal around 9:30-10:00, then eat lunch between 1-2 and dinner about 7:00-8:00, Some days I get in a 5th meal as a snack in between lunch and dinner but these depend on where I am calorie-wise and more importantly with my protein intake for the day. If easy to hit my protein requirement with a moderate but satiating sized meal I will wait for dinner. If I am a little low on protein already then I will pop in another shake mid afternoon.
 
Yeah I did some reading on it and if mixed powders there really isn't much advantage over them than real food. I would still prefer to have a little more whole food when I can but probably half of my protein is in powder form. Just depends on the day if it is powder heavy or whole food heavy.
Right now I mix 1/2 isolate and 1/2 casien into my shakes so 3 scoops is just over 75 grams and with half of that being casein it sets me up for 7+ hours of positive nitrogen balance. Since I eat about every 4 hours that keeps me in that state pretty much all day.

I am also finishing out a tub of Trutein which is 40% whey, 40% Casein and 20% egg protein, it has a little higher carb count but also some good fiber in it.
 
I'm doing like 1-2 shakes a day right now. But I'm on a serious cut so it just makes high protein intake more convenient
 
Definitely especially right now with me trying to keep my fats low. I want my fats below 50 and really about 40 per day. Getting 340-350 grams protein is very hard to do keeping it that low fat. Not impossible mind you but this way is definitely cheaper and more convenient than trying to do it with all whole food sources.
 
If I eat another can of Daily Chef's Chunk Chicken I'm going to puke I think. So easy tho!
 
Montego1 said:
If I eat another can of Daily Chef's Chunk Chicken I'm going to puke I think. So easy tho!
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In all honesty me and canned chicken don't do that well. I am okay if I put taco seasoning on it and crush it up like chicken taco meat but otherwise the consistency of it just doesn't even want to go down my throat.
 
BoneDaddy said:
I can always count on Kleen to drop some serious dietary knowledge.....
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If only I had followed my knowledge during the holidays... UGH!
iparatroop said:
Good to know, I don't have a gag reflex so I can swallow anything. You need never choke it again...
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Thanks for the info, but I think I will pass on that offer...
 
Clear your messages Kleen.
 
MrKleen73 said:
In all honesty me and canned chicken don't do that well. I am okay if I put taco seasoning on it and crush it up like chicken taco meat but otherwise the consistency of it just doesn't even want to go down my throat.
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I Crush it up like shredded chicken, add ranch and hotsauce and a cup of brown rice. Not bad. Just gets old like everything else.
 
Montego1 said:
I Crush it up like shredded chicken, add ranch and hotsauce and a cup of brown rice. Not bad. Just gets old like everything else.
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bean5er said:
I won't even look at canned tuna or chx anymore lol Isernio's chx sausage is a savior :-)

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
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@Invalid Link Removed that sounds pretty good. Actually looking into making some hot wing style chicken in my slow cooker this weekend. If it taste as good as they say I will let you know.
@Invalid Link Removed , I think I love you Man! I just looked at the macros on there and that looks pretty good to me.
 
MrKleen73 said:
@Invalid Link Removed that sounds pretty good. Actually looking into making some hot wing style chicken in my slow cooker this weekend. If it taste as good as they say I will let you know.
@Invalid Link Removed , I think I love you Man! I just looked at the macros on there and that looks pretty good to me.
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Haha yea my coach turned me onto it. I buy in the tubes. He said its the best chx sausage (macro wise) you can get. The red package (spicy) is the best. I buy it all though and funny thing is it tastes damn near like regular sausage not quite but really satisfying bud

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
I'm pretty much 60/40 chx and chx sausage for my meats on my prep right now. I'm on a serious budget so I just ordered 80lbs organic chx off zaycon foods for 143.00 that's 1.79/lb. and I'm not familiar with where u love Kleen but winco has the best deals on Isernio's around here. Isernio's Italian chx sausage links are bomb as hell as well! Put them in a gluten free bun or wrap and its like a bratwurst bro. Fock I'm hungry lol

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
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