Nice training and good work sticking to the process
To be clear, that first option would be one or the other, not combined right?
Thank you Sir!Nice training and good work sticking to the process
Actually no, if I ran a straight cycle it would be 10MSten, and 10SD a day, or if a pulse it would be 20MSten, and 10SD only on training days. I can't run SD @ 20 for any appreciable time, but I love the effects. Plus I have like 4-5 bottles of SD I need to either use, sell or trade to someone.
It’s good the hip is doing better, I was wondering how it was doing.
Agreed! It was a major frustration while i was in the middle of making some decent progress.
Thank you Sir!
Oh wow, OK. Have you run both together before? Just wondering if that combo would be just as rough as SD straight, if you have any experience.
No, I have not, but MSten is a lot milder than SD is. At least for me anyway. So although it will be more harsh than running MSten alone at the same total dose, it will not be as bad as if I ran SD by itself at those doses. So just trying to meet i the middle somewhere. However right now the plan is most likely to run Trest Ace for a little bit and see how it treats me. I don't plan on doing tons more of harsh cycles and have wanted to try trest for a while. I keep hearing such good things about it if you can keep the estrogen sides controlled. I am really intrigued to see how I react to it.
I know right! I was not expecting anywhere near as much of a drop in weight. It is pretty crazy how much the lack of sodium affects the weight drops. Although, it makes complete sense.
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it is really weird how much it can fluctuate. I think 4lbs or maybe a little more is the most I've seen drop off the scale in a 36hr and less than a lb is the least! That less than a lb day though I know a few things that were different for me:
absolutely! pretty crazy how well strength holds with fasting!
Agreed!
Agreed!
I am very intrigued in doing an eccentric/static training block at some point. I think it was Tom and Naomi Wolf (don’t quote me on names) on a Table talk episode going into detail on it.
Every time I eat chipotle I lose weight. It’s like that South Park episode for me. I can’t eat chipotle no mo
There's something really primal about it when you get into the zone as well, it's a like a whole different type of training. Feels awesome. I PR'd bench and then hit my PR again this month after 6 days of 36hr fasts. The only downfalls I've seen are that it can make social life difficult (although I did attend one event having only diet coke), it can be a bit boring at times, and until you snap that keto boundary at times you can feel sluggish. For example, I have found waking up the 2nd day already fasted easier at times than going through the first day. Fasting also makes you realize how often you might grab food out of boredom / habit even though you don't "need" it. All that said, I definitely have felt better throwing in fasting vs traditional caloric deficits.
Making short work of it!!! Good job man!!
It is definitely effective and much safer way to build muscle than pistoning up and down. Also great for strength if you can find a way to increase the load during the eccentric like your spotter hooks or whatever those are. I probably wouldn't focus on it a ton during a strength phase though unless you can really increase the load during the eccentric phase. However, I also think we all tend to lower the big heavy loads slower just to maintain control and if heavy enough it ain't moving that fast regardless on the concentric.
Awww that sucks. I love me some chipotle.Every time I eat chipotle I lose weight. It’s like that South Park episode for me. I can’t eat chipotle no mo
Agreed, skipping that first feeding the day after eating plenty is a challenge during the morning then just drops off around 10:30-11:00AM for me.
Thank you Sir!
Normal adult weight Is fluctuation is like 5 to 6lbs a day. Now we're different because we typically Eat the same amount of food and drink the same amount of fluids on a daily basis, so our normal Flux is much less. But I also think because we're so predictable in our daily lives that even small changes make for big difference.
I read your first line and in my head almost verbatim started replying to you with the rest of what you typed out lol. totally agree. the one thing I go back and forth with in my head is "there's nothing new under the sun" and generally speaking it really seems like the exact same principles that Arnold used, everyone still uses today when it comes to bodybuilding, cutting, etc. So fasting is a crazy insane alternative to the norms. I'm just enjoying it as a point of checks and balances that allows me to maintain strength performance, enjoy a slightly sloppier lifestyle with wife/friends, but also maintain control over fat. I guess in my head I could be suffering a caloric deficit every day, or just a fast once a week (as an extreme example). I mean, I'm still a big fan of cycling deficits, reverses, cuts, maintenance, etc too. just enjoying the experiment of fasting right now.
This is exactly what you are actually doing though, just a different approach that is easier to stick to for you so it is a better approach for you. You can absolutely do all of these things with fasting. You eat 600 calories surplus 6 days a week then a 36 hour fast and you just did around maintenance calories for the week. I am the same way, for me it is much easier to schedule in fasts and stick to it like a ritual than it is for me to feel hungry ever day of the week trying to achieve the same deficit. Dr John Berardi, founder and owner of Precision Nutrition has a PDF booklet or article that explains his testing of the many protocols and he recommends the 1 or 2 full day fasts a week with a surplus on the on days you eat, and even more so the 16/8 on a daily are the two most anabolic options for intermittent fasting. I am pretty sure it is free but if not I have a copy if your interested.
Cool, just read this and found that PDF by John Berardi, I’ll give this a read this weekend, it looks really good.
Awesome, you can read it pretty quickly, and it is a good read if you are into that type of stuff.Cool, just read this and found that PDF by John Berardi, I’ll give this a read this weekend, it looks really good.
It makes a lot of sense to me. so far this is sorta the hypothesis I've come to:
chest to bar definitely add an element man. even back in the xfit days with butterflies and kipping, going c2b was far far more difficult... I mean a legit chest to bar is this close to muscle ups.
Yes Sir, now I don't think he did the 36 hour fasts with a bigger surplus like we are either. I think you are most likely right that the 1 36 hour fast a week with a surplus is probably going to achieve more growth. However if you look at it from being a natural, and actual protein synthesis stimulating feedings you have about 4 times a day you can feed to re-stimulate PS. With the 16/8 you only have 3 of those stimulative protein feedings available, so you are losing 7 options to stimulate PS. With the 36 hour fast you are only losing 4 of the PS stimulating feedings that week. I know this is probably just to simplistic of a thought process but it makes sense to me.
Oh absolutely, those dead hangs completely changed the difficulty level, widening my grip about 6 inches on the pull up bar was also a huge change for me but the resulting stretch was awesome! I have tight lats so this is going to be something I do regularly for a while in hopes it loosens things up a lot more. My next pull session will be more rowing and just touching on the vertical to get a different stimulation profile. The other thing I like about this training is that it feels so much better for my joints and connective tissue. Plus BB style training has always been my bread and butter. That being said I am also looking forward to pushing strength with my newly built muscle mass later down the road. That being said, I intend to train BB style for the foreseeable future, and possibly do some sort of physique show. Preferably classic physique next year some time if I can hold this right shoulder together with this style of training. I desire working toward a competition somehow, and I think this is my best bet compared to another PL meet since heavy bench is messing with my right shoulder. We shall see how everything unfolds.
Yeah, that is exactly what he mentioned. He was like this gets the lats through more of the ROM because they are used not only during the pull up to the bar but also during the internal rotation required to do a C2B, and muscle up.
yeah it's really mind expanding to break out of the normal "blocks" of "time" that we think in, and think in both smaller and larger segments (such as PS windows, or measuring both calories and anabolism over a weekly basis vs daily and hourly. hell for that matter we could expand upon that to explore 2, 3, 5, 9 day windows etc).
@gphagan1 Yes Sir, trying to treat this next week and a half like the end of a meso where I should be pushing toward the limits so when I back off to 3-4RIR starting the program I will be in a great place for recovery and adaptation. Doing these very full ROM movements with the stretch under tension is really lighting me up too. It has been nice to go into training not being so worried I am going to feel pain from trying to force myself to push heavier weight to satisfy my ego. I was starting to get beat up so it was time for a change in focus. I want to build back up to about how big I was in my avatar then diet down for a show of some sort. Whether that be classic physique or even Fitness for that matter.Pushing some nice volume in that workout. Those super sets will put a good pump on you.
That’s a good goal….man you really were jacked in that picture, definitely looked like you were in that 6% range. Classic physique probably would be a good goal for you.
