Dustin07
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Texas is a car mecca. Between the weather and smooth roads, amazing car cultures!
KLEEN LIVING - A log about Life, Training, and Nutrition.
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MrKleen73
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Facts! We have so many car clubs, meets, and drives just here local to Houston. The amount of cars and street racers during The Texas 2K is unreal. The cops get totally souped up from the dealer versions of street cars and go out and challenge people to races then flip the lights on as soon as someone bites. You get the 3 honks the hit, then the Christmas lights come on. People lose their cars, and their licenses when they get caught racing too. So it is a pretty big deal to get nailed. No way I am biting on any challenges. I will play with someone, do a little follow the leader or whatever. No way I am slowing down traffic and lining up for a roll race, especially during the Texas 2K week. I like to drive for fun, not to risk my license or my vehicle.
Smont
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New England is the opposite, especially were I live. Shitty roads, salt from the ocean and road salt in the winter, potholes and reckless morons on every road
MrKleen73
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I was sick yesterday, my first day back from Denver. We had some Chinese from a place that is normally very good with high quality meat. I had Kung Pao chicken, no rice, just the sauce, meat and veggies. About an hour later my stomach was pissed off. I woke up a little before 5:00AM to bad bubble guts, and diarrhea. So I turned off my alarm, and sent in a sick note and went back to bed. I slept probably 80% of the day yesterday, only having one high protein low carb meal in the evening. I tightened up a good bit overnight, and expect to clean up a good bit more over the next day or two.
The time is now, to make any progress I am going to make this next few weeks. I am not convinced I can reach my goal from here, but going to give it a heck of an effort. I am close enough to get there, but I need a good run the next 3.5 weeks to achieve the look I am hoping for. It can definitely be done, but the question is if I will be able to push hard enough to do it. Not giving up either way. Worst case I get close but not all the way there, and then just continue to trim down after my vacation is over. I have made the decision I have been as big as I am ever going to get, and from here on out chasing size is simply not a focus. It will be more about maintaining and trying to hold a bit leaner condition. Keep the look up, but not worry about growing or competing. I am not saying this will be my last cycle ever, but I am not planning on pushing doses much over 500 any longer. I think if I can get nutrition set up, and can find a way to maintain in a good area the desire for gear should slowly fall away based on new goals. I think I am probably done with competing, it is quite expensive, and costly to the family in other ways. I think I have proven to myself I can do the damn thing, so it is just a matter of learning to be satisfied without stressing over size. I am 52 years old now, so no need to keep pushing things into less safe areas for something that is just a gut check for me. I am not a bodybuilder perse, I am a recreational lifter who occasionally competes, but doesn't even follow bodybuilding outside of me competing. It isn't a passion for me, so much as wanting to see if I can suffer the prep and come in looking good enough to be proud of my accomplishments up on stage. Now it is time to see if i can focus that energy on getting leaner, and staying leaner a lot more throughout the year. I just want to be a buff grandad at this time, of course I need some grandchildren for that, but at least I am halfway there now.
Depending on how my gut holds up today, I will go get a lift in, but if I am still not doing well, I will take a long walk and then get back in tomorrow. My lower back is also not too happy with having been laid up in bed all day yesterday. Inactivity does a number on it for sure.
The time is now, to make any progress I am going to make this next few weeks. I am not convinced I can reach my goal from here, but going to give it a heck of an effort. I am close enough to get there, but I need a good run the next 3.5 weeks to achieve the look I am hoping for. It can definitely be done, but the question is if I will be able to push hard enough to do it. Not giving up either way. Worst case I get close but not all the way there, and then just continue to trim down after my vacation is over. I have made the decision I have been as big as I am ever going to get, and from here on out chasing size is simply not a focus. It will be more about maintaining and trying to hold a bit leaner condition. Keep the look up, but not worry about growing or competing. I am not saying this will be my last cycle ever, but I am not planning on pushing doses much over 500 any longer. I think if I can get nutrition set up, and can find a way to maintain in a good area the desire for gear should slowly fall away based on new goals. I think I am probably done with competing, it is quite expensive, and costly to the family in other ways. I think I have proven to myself I can do the damn thing, so it is just a matter of learning to be satisfied without stressing over size. I am 52 years old now, so no need to keep pushing things into less safe areas for something that is just a gut check for me. I am not a bodybuilder perse, I am a recreational lifter who occasionally competes, but doesn't even follow bodybuilding outside of me competing. It isn't a passion for me, so much as wanting to see if I can suffer the prep and come in looking good enough to be proud of my accomplishments up on stage. Now it is time to see if i can focus that energy on getting leaner, and staying leaner a lot more throughout the year. I just want to be a buff grandad at this time, of course I need some grandchildren for that, but at least I am halfway there now.
Depending on how my gut holds up today, I will go get a lift in, but if I am still not doing well, I will take a long walk and then get back in tomorrow. My lower back is also not too happy with having been laid up in bed all day yesterday. Inactivity does a number on it for sure.
Dustin07
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Amen!
Although to be fair I think bb can still be a hobby without it being a "career" pursuit. I mean, careers are where hobbies to go die right? You'll likely be in tune with your strength, bf, etc for many years to come, I don't see harm in identifying as a bodybuilder even if non-competiting.
MrKleen73
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Honestly, I stopped associating myself as a "bodybuilder" around the time that HGH and insulin use was so high everyone had Polumboism. It wasn't something I was into any longer. I didn't like the physiques, or where Bodybuilding was heading, so I just stopped looking at or watching bodybuilding all together. It wasn't until they started cracking down on the Polumboism and dropping scores over it that I even began entertaining the idea of competing again. I told myself when i did my first show in 09 that I would do another one at 50 even if i didn't do any more in between. So that is what I did. This last competition was a gut check to see if I still had the drive to push through a prep, and not a I want to be a bodybuilder for life thing. I did let myself get wrapped up in the prep, and stoked at the idea of doing well at nationals. Especially considering I knew it was probably my last hoorah with actual bodybuilding. Once the prep was over all of that false motivation to compete dropped and I was happy to be done with all of it. I may make an effort closer to 55 to possibly do a Classic show, but in all honesty that is like a 20% chance of happening, and that might even be to high of an estimation.
To me there is not a Hobby Bodybuilder, IMHO, you are either all the way in, or not a bodybuilder. You might be trying to build a bigger / better body, which loosely fits the term bodybuilding. However, if you have committed to bodybuilding as a lifestyle, it is an insult for others who are not putting in that level of work and dedication to try to ride those coat tails. To me if you don't compete you aren't a bodybuilder, and more to the point, just because you have competed does not make you a bodybuilder. It can sometimes and probably more often just make you a person who competed in a bodybuilding competition. I think their are a lot more one timers than people who continue more than a couple shows. A bodybuilder is someone who competes, and continues to compete because it is their lifestyle, they live it day in and day out, making every decision base on what will get them to their goal faster and better, willing to sacrifice most anything in the process. I would say most hobbyist are not even close to that level of discipline and effort applied to their goal.
I could be overanalyzing, but to me the level of discipline and effort required to compete successfully as a bodybuilder, and compete regularly should be reserved for those actually doing the damn thing. Also for me since I am not going to be focusing on "building" the body so much as maintaining muscle while maintaining a leaner physique is not bodybuilding to me anymore. More like body refining. Perhaps I have an elitist attitude towards it having gone through 4 preps now, but I don't see bodybuilding as something that should be watered down by saying anyone trying to build a better body is a bodybuilder. To me that is like saying anyone who runs 50 yards at a time is a competitive sprinter. It's not the same thing, and requires far more effort and dedication.
That is why I say I am not a bodybuilder, I have no intentions of locking myself down like that again, at least for a good long while. Not because I can't any longer, but because it is not my goal any longer, and the juice is not worth the squeeze any more. It's not like my goals are going to go away or anything. Honestly, trying to maintain abs throughout the year is going to be harder for me than the competition because there is no deadline, and no pressure to do so other than just holding myself accountable. At least with the competitions I knew I would have to embarrass myself on stage if I didn't do the damn thing. Now, it will just have to be all self motivated discipline to maintain at my goals. So in a way that will be much more challenging to me. With my ADHD deadlines tend to be my best friend. I need a time, and date to do things by to really help me be motivated. I need that external pressure to kick my executive function into gear. Otherwise, I always feel like I will have time to catch back up before everything is said and done. Similar to the situation I find myself in now. Down to the wire, and not sure I will make it to a decent set of abs by the trip. I already look good enough not to be worried about how I look on the beach. I am going to be one of the most jacked guys on the beach regardless. So, I am okay there, but it isn't what I set out to do yet.
gphagan1
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I agree with you totally on that as far as bodybuilding goes. The dedication, sacrifice, and every day grind of a competing bodybuilder is way more than the average Joe would understand, much less try to do. You have already proven yourself at a high level, and the pictures you posted from your competition was proof that your physique was right there with the top competitors. You really have nothing else to prove on stage. And maintaining a healthy in shape physique is better than probably 75% of men or more, and really much healthier than trying to bulk and cut as we get older. And with the build you already have accomplished, you definitely will be in better shape than most of the dudes on any given beach. But truthfully if you did decide to do a classic physique ever in the future, you already have plenty of muscle for that. It would just be a matter if you wanted to go through a cut. But man I guarantee you it will be a whole lot less stressful with what your plans are now, especially after us seeing what you went through the year or two leading up to your competitions. And there is no doubt you love your family, and that will give you more time to enjoy them.
MrKleen73
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Yeah, and I am not taking anything away from hobby lifters who focus on aesthetics either. That is what I plan to move towards just not trying to remain super ripped. Also, there are some people who don't compete, but keep themselves around 6-8% all year, those guys are of a similar ilk and more like being a bodybuilder than me regarding the continuous discipline and lifestyle required to do that. Unless they are just a naturally leaner person that can just look great all the time, especially if on gear. You know, the guys who can have 3 double meat cheeseburgers and a 6 pack of beer a week but stay ridiculously lean. However for anyone that staying lean is not natural for them maintaining that look year round is pretty close to what it requires to be a bodybuilder. So not taking away from that at all, it is intense and requires a lot of discipline to do that. However, it is not bodybuilding, so much as building a body. I am hoping to end up at a point where I can maintain in the 10-12% maybe up to 15% body fat range. That should leave room for always having abs, and my gyno not showing through my shirts.
One thing I do know is that I am not likely to compete again unless I have my gyno removed. It was still covering up too much of my lower pec, blurring the outer pec line, and detracting from my physique. So I do not intend to compete again if I am unable to have that fixed. If I am then I might be stoked to see what it looks like on stage enough to give it another go, if not then I have officially retired from competing which is fine with me too.
Like you said, I value my family a lot more than the bodybuilding, so not going to put them through anything like that again unless I feel I have a legit chance at looking better on stage than this last run. If I do it again, I will definitely self coach. I might get someone for prep, but I feel I left a lot of conditioning on the table by following my coaches orders. I knew I needed to start cutting earlier, and he wasn't willing to start cutting for a month after I knew I was.
One thing I do know is that I am not likely to compete again unless I have my gyno removed. It was still covering up too much of my lower pec, blurring the outer pec line, and detracting from my physique. So I do not intend to compete again if I am unable to have that fixed. If I am then I might be stoked to see what it looks like on stage enough to give it another go, if not then I have officially retired from competing which is fine with me too.
Like you said, I value my family a lot more than the bodybuilding, so not going to put them through anything like that again unless I feel I have a legit chance at looking better on stage than this last run. If I do it again, I will definitely self coach. I might get someone for prep, but I feel I left a lot of conditioning on the table by following my coaches orders. I knew I needed to start cutting earlier, and he wasn't willing to start cutting for a month after I knew I was.
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Hyde
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Agreed, I bodybuild for my powerlifting, but I am not a bodybuilder. I do drop & super sets, widowmakers, 100-rep sets that the average gym-goer simply couldn’t fathom pushing through. BUT that doesn’t make me an actual bodybuilder - it just makes me a serious lifter.
And it so happens that I AM a powerlifter, because I actually compete in that. Which is different from just lifting heavy weights in the gym on your own terms. I might do some farmer’s carries & can teach you how to load stones correctly, but that doesn’t make me a strongman. Strongman is just something I did for a couple years, and I happen to have extensive knowledge on the subject. But I am not a strongman. I’m just a strong man lol.
And it so happens that I AM a powerlifter, because I actually compete in that. Which is different from just lifting heavy weights in the gym on your own terms. I might do some farmer’s carries & can teach you how to load stones correctly, but that doesn’t make me a strongman. Strongman is just something I did for a couple years, and I happen to have extensive knowledge on the subject. But I am not a strongman. I’m just a strong man lol.
Dustin07
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With my boy starting to get serious, I could see a potential for me to compete again down the road. It would be barbell sports, but likely fitness/conditioning comps like garage games xfit style. That said if people ask you what you do for fun.. "what are your hobbies when you're not at work". Well I like golf. I'm not planning on getting on the tour, but I still hit the range, working putting, driver etc and play 18 holes. And to be honest I just don't think you have to compete to say you "bodybuild".
I mean what are you doing at the gym? Its not calisthenics. I 100% understand what you're saying and why you are giving the sports true competitors a large amount of respect, but here you are looking at your bodyfat levels not just based on health, but aesthetics, and you're lifting to either maintain or improve aspects.
I'm all for the not wanting to get bigger side of it. I think thats a whole different conversation now days too with so many people complaining about modern builders getting too big. (although I think aside from lats, CBum is aesthetically pretty damn good and Arnold like). But I still think if someone asked me what does Chris like to do, what are his hobbys, I'd be like, bodybuild (and fast cars). he doesnt' call himself a bodybuilder anymore, but he works very hard on himself routinly, applies his widsom and knowledge, enjoys lifting and training and crafting his physique into what he wants it to be today. He's adjusted his approach from getting as large and shredded as possible to creating a different image of what his ideal physique is today.
I know competitive builders have harder nuances in regards to the discipline, the dieting, the cardio, fighting through fatigue, injuries, pain, depression and every other challenge that comes with the sport but they are fighting to build a physique to appeal to the judge of the day and you have grown to a level where you are your judge and you're building a physique to appeal to yourself.
at least thats my take away from it.
it's one of the reasons I like my Tacoma gym. the homies are yoked, training hard and building. they aren't looking to compete on stage in any sport but they're constantly crafting their physique and it shows when a guy like you shows up to the pool and takes his shirt off, this dude BUILT something. he didn't just show up to do jumping jacks and run on the treadmill for an hour.
I mean FWIW I have zero interest in looking like top level pro natty bodybuilders. too scrawny. and I also do not want to do what it takes, nor do I have any desire, to be a 260lb on stage mass monster. physical limitations there are a major turn off to me. so I think sorta similar to you, I'm trying to create a very specific physique in my head in that 185-195lb range that I consider my peak performance.
I mean what are you doing at the gym? Its not calisthenics. I 100% understand what you're saying and why you are giving the sports true competitors a large amount of respect, but here you are looking at your bodyfat levels not just based on health, but aesthetics, and you're lifting to either maintain or improve aspects.
I'm all for the not wanting to get bigger side of it. I think thats a whole different conversation now days too with so many people complaining about modern builders getting too big. (although I think aside from lats, CBum is aesthetically pretty damn good and Arnold like). But I still think if someone asked me what does Chris like to do, what are his hobbys, I'd be like, bodybuild (and fast cars). he doesnt' call himself a bodybuilder anymore, but he works very hard on himself routinly, applies his widsom and knowledge, enjoys lifting and training and crafting his physique into what he wants it to be today. He's adjusted his approach from getting as large and shredded as possible to creating a different image of what his ideal physique is today.
I know competitive builders have harder nuances in regards to the discipline, the dieting, the cardio, fighting through fatigue, injuries, pain, depression and every other challenge that comes with the sport but they are fighting to build a physique to appeal to the judge of the day and you have grown to a level where you are your judge and you're building a physique to appeal to yourself.
at least thats my take away from it.
it's one of the reasons I like my Tacoma gym. the homies are yoked, training hard and building. they aren't looking to compete on stage in any sport but they're constantly crafting their physique and it shows when a guy like you shows up to the pool and takes his shirt off, this dude BUILT something. he didn't just show up to do jumping jacks and run on the treadmill for an hour.
I mean FWIW I have zero interest in looking like top level pro natty bodybuilders. too scrawny. and I also do not want to do what it takes, nor do I have any desire, to be a 260lb on stage mass monster. physical limitations there are a major turn off to me. so I think sorta similar to you, I'm trying to create a very specific physique in my head in that 185-195lb range that I consider my peak performance.
Hyde
Legend
You do bodybuild; that’s exactly what you should tell people you do. And you do powerlift as well! These activities apply to a huge majority of gym-goers that lift weights even. They are for everyone; all people can live healthier with some added muscle mass and strength vs being entirely untrained.
But, the point is if you tell anyone you’re a bodybuilder, they are going to assume you get up on stage in posing trunks occasionally.
Dustin07
Legend
only for my wife and never gets the reaction intended, but at least I had fun and put myself out there
MrKleen73
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Yeah, I totally get that aspect of it which s why I mentioned I was not slighting those interested in aesthetics. I just don't see it as the same thing. However, a body builder is something very specific. It's not like "Hey, I identify as a bodybuilder, so that makes me one." It is I am a bodybuilder because I am a bodybuilder, it is my life. Similar to how I would not imagine you would call yourself a crossfitter now even though you use a lot of the movements in your training. When you were a crossfit competitor it was your life. After that you became an individual who also does crossfit. It's not quite the same thing. That level of dedication deserves the title, and anything less is just someone who does that activity too. It is just a different mentality, and mindset required. I feel it is something that has to be earned, not watered down so others can feel like they belong to a group. What I am focusing on now, I would probably call more of a Gym Rat or Fitness Enthusiast.
In the end, for me, it is just about earning that title of bodybuilder, and until someone has actually gone through a prep, they haven't experienced true bodybuilding. Like I said, it might be an elitist attitude, but competing is one of the hardest things I have done in my life, and at 52 that is saying a lot. So for me personally, only those who have competed have earned that title. I hold that title in pretty high esteem, and no longer feel I fit the requirements. I was a bodybuilder for the 2.5 years on the way to the competition, but now, I am a fitness enthusiast with a focus on aesthetics. I feel I no longer deserve the title, because I am not doing the activity. I am just working out towards a goal. I feel like calling anyone who doesn't compete a bodybuilder, or power lifter is basically the equivalent to giving out participation trophies. Those who don't work hard enough to earn the trophy still get one, and those who haven't competed calling themselves a body builder is exactly the same thing to me. A bodybuilder or Power Lifter are very specific things, people expanding the definition to allow more people to feel like part of an elite group is detrimental to the group. There is simply a big difference in those who compete, and those who do it as a hobby. I don't feel the recognition should be watered down to make others feel better about themselves by being able to say they are something they aren't due to semantics and word play. Like i said though, I may have an elitist view of tings due to my own experiences as a bodybuilder. I truly feel it is a title that should be earned, not given or justified by things like saying if you are trying to grow muscle you are building your body and that makes you a bodybuilder. It is not the same outside of lifting weights to achieve the goal. That is not taking anything away from anyone else with different goals, but the extremes deserve to be recognized as such.
In the end, for me, it is just about earning that title of bodybuilder, and until someone has actually gone through a prep, they haven't experienced true bodybuilding. Like I said, it might be an elitist attitude, but competing is one of the hardest things I have done in my life, and at 52 that is saying a lot. So for me personally, only those who have competed have earned that title. I hold that title in pretty high esteem, and no longer feel I fit the requirements. I was a bodybuilder for the 2.5 years on the way to the competition, but now, I am a fitness enthusiast with a focus on aesthetics. I feel I no longer deserve the title, because I am not doing the activity. I am just working out towards a goal. I feel like calling anyone who doesn't compete a bodybuilder, or power lifter is basically the equivalent to giving out participation trophies. Those who don't work hard enough to earn the trophy still get one, and those who haven't competed calling themselves a body builder is exactly the same thing to me. A bodybuilder or Power Lifter are very specific things, people expanding the definition to allow more people to feel like part of an elite group is detrimental to the group. There is simply a big difference in those who compete, and those who do it as a hobby. I don't feel the recognition should be watered down to make others feel better about themselves by being able to say they are something they aren't due to semantics and word play. Like i said though, I may have an elitist view of tings due to my own experiences as a bodybuilder. I truly feel it is a title that should be earned, not given or justified by things like saying if you are trying to grow muscle you are building your body and that makes you a bodybuilder. It is not the same outside of lifting weights to achieve the goal. That is not taking anything away from anyone else with different goals, but the extremes deserve to be recognized as such.
Dustin07
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this is perfect, you're absolutely right. that's the label I think I was looking for.
MrKleen73
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Yesterday went pretty good, stomach was still a bit screwed, so I fasted for 24 hours and then had a high protein moderate fat, moderate carb meal. I didn't quite make my 10,000 steps yesterday. I am 205 on the dot as of this morning and abs are looking like they did at 200. So I am looking pretty decent, but I have a lot of work to do. I am actually considering going with ADF the next few weeks to try to push the goal a bit. It would be a hell of a challenge but I think I am going to do 3 full body sessions of about 3 hard sets for each body part, and possibly do ADF on 3 off days, and one day of full eating with high protein, we will see, but I will definitely be adding in more fasting to try to get the job done. Planning a full body session today, will most likely be a quick paced session super-setting between 2 body parts. Taking care to avoid anything that would trigger my lower back. So more than likely keeping it simple like leg extensions and curls for legs. I may try some light leg press to add volume but I am not sure it is worth it with such short time to drop the rest of the weight. I am not going to gain any size in between now and then. So no need to risk anything. Plus, I am not going to be on the beach in posers, just beach shorts so no need to try to blow my legs back up. Just keep them from disappearing while in a steep deficit. I think if I can drop 5lbs of actual fat I will be in a pretty good spot with decently visible abs while relaxed, and pretty good flexed.
MrKleen73
Legend
I hit a nice upper body session yesterday, I just ran out of gas for legs and chose to go in today for lower body. That also allows me to eat today, then sets me up to start my ADF plan Monday, then eat dinner with a buddy coming in for work from out of town Tuesday, and then Wednesday I will break that cycle with a fajita lunch on Wednesday. If not sore, I may just do another session Wednesday then move the ADF days the rest of the week to be back on a normal schedule where I lift Monday, Wednesday, Friday, ADF Saturday, full day of eating Sunday and start back Monday. Hopefully everything holds together for that. If I choose that this week I may do upper on Tuesday and Lower on Wednesday also just to give the food a place to land. Hopefully I can find the motivation to push through on this aggressive plan. It is the last option outside of a few multiple day fasts on the way in to the trip.
Yesterdays Session: No counting reps, just high effort to failure in the LRP, and rest in the 45-75 seconds range. I went as soon as I felt I could get a productive set again.
Iso-Lateral Incline Chest Press
75x2 sets to failure in LRP
60x2 sets to failure in LRP
Straight Arm Pec Deck - 90x2 sets to failure in LRP
Iso-Lateral Pull Downs
50x2 sets to failure in LRP
35x2 sets to failure in LRP
Pull Over Machine 2 sets to failure in the LRP
Arsenal Standing Side Raises
30x failure in LRP
40x Failure in LRP
50x failure in LRP
30x failure in LRP
Arms & Rear Delt Super Set
Cable Cross Triceps Extensions - (Triceps and Rear Delts) - 40x3 sets to failure in LRP
DB Scoop Curls - 25x 3 sets to failure in LRP
Total sets for Arms and Delts including indirect work: Biceps 5, Triceps 5, Rear Delts 5 - each indirect set counts as half a set in volume when tracking them. So 4 sets pressing is 2 sets triceps, 4 sets pulling 2 sets biceps, and 2 sets rear delts.
and done!!!
Hit 14 very hard work sets in about 45 minutes not including any warm up sets.
I am planning to do the ADF but possibly keep a 16/8 fasting schedule on most of the days I am training. Which would be closer to a 40 hour fast on the ADF days. Then one day of total rest with a full feeding day. This week will probably look something like this.
ADF Day - 40hr fast only energy work (walking or cardio) and possibly mobility / recovery training
Training Day 16/8 @2600-2800 cals - High protein / Carb, & Low Fat
ADF Day - 40hr fast only energy work (walking or cardio) and possibly mobility / recovery training
Training Day - 16/8 @2600-2800 cals - High protein / Carb, & Low Fat
ADF Day - 40hr fast only energy work (walking or cardio) and possibly mobility / recovery training
Training Day - 16/8 @2600-2800 cals - High protein / Carb, & Low Fat
Rest Day - Full day of eating, up to 2800-3200 calories.
Next week I will likely switch up the training days so training starts on Monday, and then my full rest day can feed into my first session of the week, but with the current social situation, I want to be able to eat with my friend, and also will be having fajitas for lunch Wednesday for my boss to welcome the worker/friend who came in to town to help us. These are basic targets for the goal, but are not set in stone so to speak. Just my target for training and food intake. Some days it may be a 36 hour fast, some days a 40, it really depends on the situation. Same for things being modified if I can't train every time I want to due to pain. If I do full days of eating on training days I will keep the overall caloric goal the same. Just spread it out more throughout the day. That would probably actually be more anabolic, getting protein and carbs in first thing in the morning, but I will decide that based on training performance and effects.
Assuming my maintenance is about 2800, and an average of 2600-2800 on lifting days and the rest day that should come in at a pretty large deficit. With 3 days worth of nutrition missing that is already a deficit of over 7500-7800 calories a week. Add in a goal of no less than 10g steps on ADF days we are hopefully talking about some serious movement over the next 3 weeks. That gets me to around 700 calories expended per day of 10,000 steps. I think if I can hit 195 I will be in a sweet spot. I am 202 as of this morning. If pushing this doesn't get me there, it will get me close enough to be happy on the beach, but not close enough to have succeeded at my challenge.
I do intend to continue to get leaner depending on where I am once this is over. My end goal overall is to be at a place you can not really see my gyno through my shirt, and my abs are typically pretty pronounced at that bodyfat level. I won't get into guessing what actual bodyfat % that actually is. I would say the range is somewhere between 10-15%. I will be happy at the beach for a solid 15% because my abs would be pretty darn visible, and gyno small enough to barely even see it through my shirt. My back would still not be that defined, but I am more worried about my front. My back is so big and developed that even not ripped it looks like a silver back gorilla. So not worried there. The final end goal is defined abs, very little fat / gyno under pecs, and just an overall look of being in great shape. I am guessing resting point without a focus on getting huge would be around 190-193-ish. Then the challenge is maintaining around that level. Maintaining is a lot harder than getting there for me. I do think overall, I would feel a lot better at that weight range. Less wear and tear on my body, joints, and heart. Probably a good thing for someone over 50 to be targeting at this point.
Yesterdays Session: No counting reps, just high effort to failure in the LRP, and rest in the 45-75 seconds range. I went as soon as I felt I could get a productive set again.
Iso-Lateral Incline Chest Press
75x2 sets to failure in LRP
60x2 sets to failure in LRP
Straight Arm Pec Deck - 90x2 sets to failure in LRP
Iso-Lateral Pull Downs
50x2 sets to failure in LRP
35x2 sets to failure in LRP
Pull Over Machine 2 sets to failure in the LRP
Arsenal Standing Side Raises
30x failure in LRP
40x Failure in LRP
50x failure in LRP
30x failure in LRP
Arms & Rear Delt Super Set
Cable Cross Triceps Extensions - (Triceps and Rear Delts) - 40x3 sets to failure in LRP
DB Scoop Curls - 25x 3 sets to failure in LRP
Total sets for Arms and Delts including indirect work: Biceps 5, Triceps 5, Rear Delts 5 - each indirect set counts as half a set in volume when tracking them. So 4 sets pressing is 2 sets triceps, 4 sets pulling 2 sets biceps, and 2 sets rear delts.
and done!!!
Hit 14 very hard work sets in about 45 minutes not including any warm up sets.
I am planning to do the ADF but possibly keep a 16/8 fasting schedule on most of the days I am training. Which would be closer to a 40 hour fast on the ADF days. Then one day of total rest with a full feeding day. This week will probably look something like this.
ADF Day - 40hr fast only energy work (walking or cardio) and possibly mobility / recovery training
Training Day 16/8 @2600-2800 cals - High protein / Carb, & Low Fat
ADF Day - 40hr fast only energy work (walking or cardio) and possibly mobility / recovery training
Training Day - 16/8 @2600-2800 cals - High protein / Carb, & Low Fat
ADF Day - 40hr fast only energy work (walking or cardio) and possibly mobility / recovery training
Training Day - 16/8 @2600-2800 cals - High protein / Carb, & Low Fat
Rest Day - Full day of eating, up to 2800-3200 calories.
Next week I will likely switch up the training days so training starts on Monday, and then my full rest day can feed into my first session of the week, but with the current social situation, I want to be able to eat with my friend, and also will be having fajitas for lunch Wednesday for my boss to welcome the worker/friend who came in to town to help us. These are basic targets for the goal, but are not set in stone so to speak. Just my target for training and food intake. Some days it may be a 36 hour fast, some days a 40, it really depends on the situation. Same for things being modified if I can't train every time I want to due to pain. If I do full days of eating on training days I will keep the overall caloric goal the same. Just spread it out more throughout the day. That would probably actually be more anabolic, getting protein and carbs in first thing in the morning, but I will decide that based on training performance and effects.
Assuming my maintenance is about 2800, and an average of 2600-2800 on lifting days and the rest day that should come in at a pretty large deficit. With 3 days worth of nutrition missing that is already a deficit of over 7500-7800 calories a week. Add in a goal of no less than 10g steps on ADF days we are hopefully talking about some serious movement over the next 3 weeks. That gets me to around 700 calories expended per day of 10,000 steps. I think if I can hit 195 I will be in a sweet spot. I am 202 as of this morning. If pushing this doesn't get me there, it will get me close enough to be happy on the beach, but not close enough to have succeeded at my challenge.
I do intend to continue to get leaner depending on where I am once this is over. My end goal overall is to be at a place you can not really see my gyno through my shirt, and my abs are typically pretty pronounced at that bodyfat level. I won't get into guessing what actual bodyfat % that actually is. I would say the range is somewhere between 10-15%. I will be happy at the beach for a solid 15% because my abs would be pretty darn visible, and gyno small enough to barely even see it through my shirt. My back would still not be that defined, but I am more worried about my front. My back is so big and developed that even not ripped it looks like a silver back gorilla. So not worried there. The final end goal is defined abs, very little fat / gyno under pecs, and just an overall look of being in great shape. I am guessing resting point without a focus on getting huge would be around 190-193-ish. Then the challenge is maintaining around that level. Maintaining is a lot harder than getting there for me. I do think overall, I would feel a lot better at that weight range. Less wear and tear on my body, joints, and heart. Probably a good thing for someone over 50 to be targeting at this point.
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MrKleen73
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Light legs, and lower calories yesterday, probably only hit 2200 for the day. Carbs around 175, protein around 200, and around 50-60. These 3 meals were in an 8 hour feeding window. One meal was 1lb boiled shrimp with veggies and chipotle sauce that had a little fat in it. Not much, but I can't hazard a guess so much as a range there. I am fasting until sometime tomorrow. Get a lil food in me before a late lunch session, then go pick up my buddy for a good meal, drop him back off at the office and probably call it an evening on the food unless I feel I have room calorie wise for a shake or some cottage cheese.
I am going to have to do some walking today to try to at least get 7000 steps in. I am going to take my dog for a long walk before it gets to hot to have him out there. He is black and too big to cool himself down once it gets hot outside with his black hair absorbing the suns heat. The pads of his feet and slobbering aren't enough to cool his 140lb ass down.
Also, I just realized, I think I have some clen left over from prep, so going to see if I have enough to run 40mcg a day until I leave. Should help maintain muscle while boosting fat burn a little bit. According to Broderick daily use is superior to alternating or taking off the weekend to feel it more. He said it does not become less effective, you just get more efficient at handling the compound so less zooming and zipping around from it. That taking off is a wasted effort if taking off to feel that zippiness again from it. If I have it in there I will bump 20 today, and maybe tomorrow depending on how it feels then go up to 40. I don't want to feel jittery from the jump straight to 40.
I am locked back in and focused on the final sprint.
I am going to have to do some walking today to try to at least get 7000 steps in. I am going to take my dog for a long walk before it gets to hot to have him out there. He is black and too big to cool himself down once it gets hot outside with his black hair absorbing the suns heat. The pads of his feet and slobbering aren't enough to cool his 140lb ass down.
Also, I just realized, I think I have some clen left over from prep, so going to see if I have enough to run 40mcg a day until I leave. Should help maintain muscle while boosting fat burn a little bit. According to Broderick daily use is superior to alternating or taking off the weekend to feel it more. He said it does not become less effective, you just get more efficient at handling the compound so less zooming and zipping around from it. That taking off is a wasted effort if taking off to feel that zippiness again from it. If I have it in there I will bump 20 today, and maybe tomorrow depending on how it feels then go up to 40. I don't want to feel jittery from the jump straight to 40.
I am locked back in and focused on the final sprint.
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gphagan1
Legend
Sounds like you’re working a good plan…. I believe you’re gonna bring it to the finish line.
MrKleen73
Legend
I am definitely going to give it some hell!!!n Who knows a week or two out I may toss in a mutiple day fast.Sounds like you’re working a good plan…. I believe you’re gonna bring it to the finish line.
@Hyde, is it the PPAR's or Clen that burns through L-Carnitine? I can't remember off the top of my head. I have some LCLT here, would you recommend 3g a day, even on fasting days? I imagine it would benefit me either way, even though carnitine works better with carbs. Also, is it carbs, or insulin helping it get into the muscle? I wouldn't be opposed to a 10g EAA a few times during the fast to get an insulin response if it helps get it into the tissues. I know it is not a true fast at that point, but I also know from a couple years of doing it when I first started IF that it is not really very detrimental to the process either. It is also possibly slightly more anabolic. I used to do it intrasession for fasted morning training then every 2 hours until my first actual meal. This was Martin Berkham of Lean Gains Intermittent Fasting Protocol's answer to "fasted" morning training. He may not be the person who invented the 16/8 fasting window, but he is the person who made it popular with aesthetic enthusiasts and performance athletes. It is also where I began to learn about IF or TRF whatever you want to call it. If anyone wants a lot more information on his particular approaches you can find them at https://leangains.com/ @Dustin07 you might really enjoy reading through some of the information there. It would give you a great understanding of fasting and what happens when and what points. It is a great starting place for a better understanding. I will warn you it might suck you into a lot further research. It gets pretty interesting the more you know.
Hyde
Legend
PPAR
I would not take it on total fasting days, nor would I consume amino acids (calories). I think the insulin thing is a little overblown, especially in the context of how minimal LCLT orally can do anything. Just take some twice a day with meals on feeding days so that insulin helps move it and call it good.
Yes feeling the Clen as effectiveness is as bro science as needing to feel caffeine - the metabolic increase happens even if you are falling asleep on it. Take it every day to maintain the full metabolic increase, rain or shine.
Segansational
Well-known member
Well, it takes a lot of determination and reflection to also tell yourself (and us publicly) when you're ready to walk away from something, so that alone is a big step. If bodybuilding no longer is your goal, to admit that often even to yourself takes courage. I agree that unless you've stepped on stage you can't truly call yourself a "bodybuilder," but no one here wouldn't call you one. Maybe now you're just a "former bodybuilder." And again, that's more than 95% will ever do. Maybe st the end of the day, on here at least, we're all just "meatheads" and I mean that in the best way possible.
Cheers Kleen - and get that goal brother!
Also, what's ADF mean? All Day Fast?
Cheers Kleen - and get that goal brother!
Also, what's ADF mean? All Day Fast?
MrKleen73
Legend
Sounds good, and I typically don't do the aminos anymore just because it is not a true fast. Was more of a if it would somehow improve things.
Good to hear you are of the same opinion on the clen. Yesterday was fine so bumped to 40mcg today. Honestly, I prefer not feeling it. It is not really a comfortable feeling being amped and jittery. I would much rather just run hotter and not notice the rest outside of a little energy if it comes with it.
Thank you Sir! By the way, I don't see it as a downgrade in status, just different goals. It's not a loss, or hit to my identity. Believe it or not, I wouldn't even say I am a fan of the sport of bodybuilding itself. I am a fan of the bodies created in the process of bodybuilding. I don't really follow it, or pay much attention to it outside of when I was looking at who had one previous contests I was entering. I really just wanted to see if could build that type of body successfully because it is the Apex of Aesthetic Fitness in my eyes. Which is what I really appreciate. I wanted to prove I belonged there if I truly desired to do it.
In reality, I am not much of a sports watcher, never have been. I am that guy who watches for a minute and would rather just go outside and throw the ball instead of watching a game. I do enjoying watching with a group of people who are all involved. Other than that, I pretty much only watch pugilistic sports on my own. If it is a fight of some sort, I am usually in. My Dad didn't live at home to get into that together, and my step dad only watched Wrestling and NASCAR, so that is what we watched and I would be so bored with the NASCAR I couldn't handle it, but loved going to the actual race track with him.
So no big loss outside of the ability to push things hard enough to build that type of body or lift heavy and train for powerlifting. Since displaying the strength I have built is a no-no right now, aesthetics are where I want to focus on until my situation changes. The good thing about this game is if you just love the Iron Game, hard work and effort you can always change goals and still enjoy yourself as long as you love the game.
Still fasting as of right now, I will break my fast at some point this morning. Already at 36 hours, I will probably break it around 10:00-12:00 so I can train at lunch then go eat with my buddy shortly after. He mentioned taking me for steaks or barbecue. As hungry as I am, I am pretty excited about it!
Oh yeah @Segansational ADF means alternate day fasting. In general it works out to fasting for 36 hours, then eating for 12, fasting for 36, then feeding for 12, rinse and repeat.
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MrKleen73
Legend
Good News! My boy is taking me to Fogo De Chao for dinner. I had 2 servings of POST about 20 minutes ago with a preworkout and am on my way to get in a quick pump session to prime the muscle for a PROTEIN SMACKDOWN!!! I will more than likely keep carbs low to avoid a huge insulin spike with all the fat in my bloodstream from the meats. That will likely end up being my last meal of the day. Which will make the following fast a little longer if so. I am definitely not passing up free Fogo, the meal will more than pay for the extra $50 on the challenge if for some reason I didn't make it to my goal.
No worries, that won't change my planned approach, just going to be more calories at this meal than typical in a normal refeed.
No worries, that won't change my planned approach, just going to be more calories at this meal than typical in a normal refeed.
gphagan1
Legend
Awesome man, enjoy…..we love Fogo.
MrKleen73
Legend
Oh you know I will! I love it too!Awesome man, enjoy…..we love Fogo.
Man I ran through that session so fast! hit 3 hard sets per body part chest, back, shoulders, bis, tris, quads and hammies in about 35 minutes including the 5 minute warm up on the bike. Major pump, and broke a nice sweat. Heading out in about 5 minutes so I can get to my buddy on time. I super set the opposing muscle groups and did a complex for arms and shoulders.
gphagan1
Legend
Now that’s what you call a speed workout….
MrKleen73
Legend
Yes Sir! You get in what you can get in when you have short time.Now that’s what you call a speed workout….
I was proud of myself at Fogo, I ate plenty, but probably only 1/2-2/3 of what I normally would. Typically I go there with gluttony as a goal! We just hung out and talked a lot, we were a tiny bit early for the dinner rush so meats came out slower at first. Which was nice because it allowed the full feeling to set in before things got out of hand. My guess somewhere in around 1lb of cooked meat, possibly a little more but not less. That was my last meal, only about 30 grams of carbs with the meal too. I kept my drink to iced tea with splenda, had some cheeses, a couple bites of mashed potatoes, and 2 bites of one of the cinnamon plantains.
This morning I feel good, fresh, not over fed, and visually not any worse for the wear. So I am considering this a successful outing. Today I am fasting until lunch, then having Pappasito's fajitas for lunch, and then fasting until tomorrow around noon. I will do some cardio or a lot of walking after work since I will be recently fed. Should help a little getting back into a fasted state faster. I am contemplating keeping carbs lower, maybe one or two tortillas for the fajitas then some meat mixed with guac, pico, and salsa to get more protein in. Trying to keep the overall insulin response down a little.
gphagan1
Legend
Oh yeah, Fogo is a great place to load up on protein. To be honest, I have a hard time to not just pig out and leaving stuffed when we go, but sounds like y’all had a great time and you exercised will power.
MrKleen73
Legend
For sure! Like I said, I normally eat until I am uncomfortable there. Gluttony is typically the goal. I just have another goal that happened to beat it out yesterday!Oh yeah, Fogo is a great place to load up on protein. To be honest, I have a hard time to not just pig out and leaving stuffed when we go, but sounds like y’all had a great time and you exercised will power.
Thank you Sir! I was actually really good today at lunch too. I had 2 beef fajita tacos with a good amount of beef in both of them. However, that was all I had. I didn't go back for seconds or use any of the fatty condiments. I did save some chicken fajita meat for tomorrow's lunch with some guac, and pico, I will likely just add that to 150grams of VeeTee rice for a rice bowl for lunch. I am still here at work and have gotten some steps in but not sure I will make it home in time for cardio. We have a big Arbitration in the office tomorrow, and I have to complete some new requests the trial team has for it before I go. So work might just take the priority here.
Hyde
Legend
You already established that it’s not going to be about the gym - cardio & activity is great, but you continuing to execute on dietary decisions & embracing the hunger is truly what’s going to get you to your ideal bodyfat. So don’t sweat work & keep your focus on your intake as you are!
I had that talk with my wife; she’s been doing cardio nearly daily because she has to make weight in 6.5 weeks - but she hasn’t made the dietary adjustments she absolutely must. So now she’s gained 2lbs and just in better shape cardiovascularly! We had a come to Jesus talk last night and I think it got real when I said you have 45 days to make weight.
MrKleen73
Legend
Unfortunately I didn't have time to go to the gym at all yesterday, and I forgot my watch to count steps, but I know I got in a lot of steps yesterday just at work. I am stopping at the gym on the way home for another full body session. I am fasting until around 1:00, then have a double serving of POST as an intra drink. Go home and have a meal about an hour after my session, then one last feeding before bed.
That was an update I meant to post earlier today.
That was an update I meant to post earlier today.
Yes Sir, that is excellent insight! I am just doing what I can, I feel pretty locked in on nutrition, and the fasting is already getting easier. I think that will lead into even longer fasts. As mentioned it isn't going to be about the gym, and 2-3 touches a week added to the gear I should maintain what I have currently pretty easily or at least very close to it. So increasing fasting length is going to get me closer to my desired look than worrying about the gym too much. Honestly, I want to feel good, and not broken on vacation. Able to do tons of walking, maybe some jet skis or something, and playing in the water at the beach. That won't happen if I push myself into aggravating injuries. This whole thing is designed around me enjoying the vacation as much as possible, which looking great will definitely add to the experience for me. However, I need to feel good enough to enjoy it thoroughly as well. So I appreciate the great advice. It confirms my thoughts and current approach which is excellent considering how much I respect your opinion.
Dustin07
Legend
Seems like we still have very similar goals, I've been getting a hankering to have a competitive athletic outlet lately although I'm not sure what it will be. I did think about trying to apply my recently improved conditioning to some xfit style garage games etc but honestly the sport just doesn't exist the way it did back then.
I always think of that month that I ran ADF, I think it was like May of 2023 but my memory is dropping 10lbs on the scale and hitting a PR on deads that month.
we circle around this a lot because my wife is better about getting her morning cardio in than I am since she wakes up with me around 4:30-5am but doesn't have to leave to go to work until like 7:45. But at times... she may spend a week getting that cardio in then be a little lackadaisical on lifting and nutrition... so our come to Jesus is always going back to what her coach had written her when she first got fully back into shape which of course was complete breakdown of nutrition, lifting, and ironically slightly less cardio. I mean... nutrition is still key.
haha this past week in AZ I kept thinking I need to get my farmers tanned washed out so I can keep wearing tanks to the gym
we areeither pale white
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah, the ADF does the trick for sure!
My progress took a hit this week. We found out Monday that my MIL has Stage 3 Metastatic Lung Cancer that has spread into her abdomen. Things are not looking good for her. She has been bleeding out of her mouth from her lungs, which is what just sent her to the hospital. She can barely talk, her vocal chords are fugged, and she gets winded after a couple of minutes talking and has to go rest. They found a mass the week before and were scheduling a biopsy when she woke up with her face covered in blood from her lungs bleeding and that pushed everything forward as a priority to figure out the situation. She should start chemo in the next 2-3 weeks in hopes they can shrink the tumor enough that it will become operable.
Ended up taking yesterday off, and unfortunately the way the wife and I chose to deal with this was trying to comfort ourselves by eating our feelings. We ordered pizza Monday night, and I ate too much yesterday as well. I ballooned up a few lbs, not what I needed in this crunch time where perfect execution was already the only way I was going to reach my goal. However, I am going to be forgiving to myself for this momentary weakness. Not beat myself up, and move on with the process just in a slower less stressful way. I am probably going to go ahead and pay up on my accountability thread stuff this week. Although I think I can definitely make some more progress; I am not going to be able to reach my goal without adding in a couple longer 3-4 day extended fasts, and honestly this situation has kind of taken the wind out of my sails so to speak. At least for something that intense.
In all honestly, I am just hoping things don't turn really bad before our vacation. It is already too late and we would lose out on the money we paid to rent the place. We have really needed this vacation to destress and that last thing we need id to be worried about her having gotten worse, or feel guilty for having fun while she is deteriorating quickly. I have my fingers crossed that the treatment will work, and she has a full recovery, but you never know with the Big C! They have her dong a nebulizer treatment a couple of times a day to help her breathing. So hopefully that can keep her doing well, or as well as she is right now.
I am going to keep up with a pretty steep deficit, and a lot of walking, not giving up, just extending the effort a bit longer to get to my goal. I am not in a big hurry from here. I look good enough to be proud of how I look on the beach even if I didn't hit my goal which had a pretty high bar set. I just don't want to add any further stress than what I have going on in my life currently.
My progress took a hit this week. We found out Monday that my MIL has Stage 3 Metastatic Lung Cancer that has spread into her abdomen. Things are not looking good for her. She has been bleeding out of her mouth from her lungs, which is what just sent her to the hospital. She can barely talk, her vocal chords are fugged, and she gets winded after a couple of minutes talking and has to go rest. They found a mass the week before and were scheduling a biopsy when she woke up with her face covered in blood from her lungs bleeding and that pushed everything forward as a priority to figure out the situation. She should start chemo in the next 2-3 weeks in hopes they can shrink the tumor enough that it will become operable.
Ended up taking yesterday off, and unfortunately the way the wife and I chose to deal with this was trying to comfort ourselves by eating our feelings. We ordered pizza Monday night, and I ate too much yesterday as well. I ballooned up a few lbs, not what I needed in this crunch time where perfect execution was already the only way I was going to reach my goal. However, I am going to be forgiving to myself for this momentary weakness. Not beat myself up, and move on with the process just in a slower less stressful way. I am probably going to go ahead and pay up on my accountability thread stuff this week. Although I think I can definitely make some more progress; I am not going to be able to reach my goal without adding in a couple longer 3-4 day extended fasts, and honestly this situation has kind of taken the wind out of my sails so to speak. At least for something that intense.
In all honestly, I am just hoping things don't turn really bad before our vacation. It is already too late and we would lose out on the money we paid to rent the place. We have really needed this vacation to destress and that last thing we need id to be worried about her having gotten worse, or feel guilty for having fun while she is deteriorating quickly. I have my fingers crossed that the treatment will work, and she has a full recovery, but you never know with the Big C! They have her dong a nebulizer treatment a couple of times a day to help her breathing. So hopefully that can keep her doing well, or as well as she is right now.
I am going to keep up with a pretty steep deficit, and a lot of walking, not giving up, just extending the effort a bit longer to get to my goal. I am not in a big hurry from here. I look good enough to be proud of how I look on the beach even if I didn't hit my goal which had a pretty high bar set. I just don't want to add any further stress than what I have going on in my life currently.
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MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks Brother! I am keeping my head up, and just taking @Segansational's advice that it is okay to readjust a goal when life gets in the way. Like he said, I am not competing, and the only thing that is on the line for me now is the money for the accountability thread which is going to support a great cause. So, it is not really a loss other than a little pride. Let's be honest, pride is far from the most important thing, and can sometimes be detrimental.
In the end, I got what I needed from the accountability thread. I may not have got what I wanted, but I look WAY better than I did when it started, and won't be disappointed in how I look on the beach. I won't be wowed, but just being happy enough to not even think about it while on the beach is more than enough. I have to remind myself, my "this is unacceptable to me" look is still better than the best a lot of men ever bring to the table. Right now with abs slightly visible in a relaxed position on a good day and decent if flexed any day especially with my arms up like a front double biceps I am in a good position for the beach.
My end goal is maintaining a muscular and pretty lean physique around 190-195 on just TRT. However I am not in a big hurry to get there now. Thinking that is probably going to be around August before I hit that. I definitely want to be there before the holiday season so I can focus on maintaining through the holidays with occasional fasts because they are just easier and provide so much more flexibility.
Dustin07
Legend
and you know momma barely notices the difference if at all lol. when I told my wife I was going to bring back my fasting protocol to shave a few and get this cut back on track she says "well you look great now, I don't think its necessary... but if thats what you want to do I'll support it".
This is the biggy to me. we're already gym rats but we have our checks and balances. It's nice to get back to a 'low point' on the scale and BF so at least if life gets away from us, or we get the hankering for a bulk, or strength cycle, or even just a week of free eating, you know that you are still starting from that low rather than starting from a high, lol.
gphagan1
Legend
Man sorry about that brother, hopefully the chemo will help and the side effects won’t get her too down. Hopefully you guys will still be able to go on your vacation, you need it. Just stay strong.
MrKleen73
Legend
My wife swears she doesn't see a difference. I say that is just her love, and what she thinks. She definitely looks me up and down a bit more, or I catch her staring at me more when I am leaner. Not crazy shredded she doesn't like how my face gets emaciated once I get to a certain point. However she definitely acts more attracted to me when I am in Super Saiyan form.
Thanks, we definitely need it, and won't cancel unless things go pretty bad. If she doesn't start until about the time we leave then we are likely going to be okay, but if she gets started a lot earlier, then if sides kick up bad who knows. I won't complain if she gets the treatment faster by any means but as it looks not it is likely that she will be starting about the time we leave. We are just waiting to hear when it will be scheduled to start.Man sorry about that brother, hopefully the chemo will help and the side effects won’t get her too down. Hopefully you guys will still be able to go on your vacation, you need it. Just stay strong.
Dustin07
Legend
I'm half torn between they don't notice it and they don't want us to get too much attention elsewhere lol.
yeah this is why I'm torn on the other statement myself lol. My wife definitely seems to notice when I'm at my thickest, and again when my abs start popping. She clearly likes both
I'm guessing the thicker man symbolizes abundance and security to her mature mind and the leaner version of me appeals to the teenager still insider her that drooled over patrick swayze the 400 times she watched dirty dancing as a kid lol
Hyde
Legend
Sorry to hear this! Chemo has worked for my dad 2 separate times in his life - like you said you never know, BUT I can directly testify I’ve seen it help produce a successful outcome. Wishing you guys the best; you know of course your mother would want you guys to have a vacation so it just comes down to whatever happens & timing.
Which, whatever we all like to believe, there’s NEVER a sure thing for any of us. Life will happen at her pace, and we just get to respond each day as we can.
Which, whatever we all like to believe, there’s NEVER a sure thing for any of us. Life will happen at her pace, and we just get to respond each day as we can.
MrKleen73
Legend
I honestly believe this is a sign of a very supportive wife. I have no doubt she finds me attractive at all times. No doubt, even when I am a bit too pudgy for my own liking. I was a thick bear type when we got together and she fell in love with me like that. I am always in better shape now than I was back then. My set limit for fitness level has just moved up as I learned more, and found ways to make things work for me.I'm half torn between they don't notice it and they don't want us to get too much attention elsewhere lol.
yeah this is why I'm torn on the other statement myself lol. My wife definitely seems to notice when I'm at my thickest, and again when my abs start popping. She clearly likes both
I'm guessing the thicker man symbolizes abundance and security to her mature mind and the leaner version of me appeals to the teenager still insider her that drooled over patrick swayze the 400 times she watched dirty dancing as a kid lol
Anyway, I think it is just the sign of a supportive wife. Never going to make you think they think less of you. I think she is truly unaware of the change in her behavior, but for lack of a better word, when I am lean she just tends to act THIRSTIER than usual. It is noticeable to me though. I have tried to broach the subject to her and give her examples but she stands on her word that she doesn't find me any more attractive when I am in good shape for me.
Thanks @Hyde, it is good to hear about a success story, much less a double success story. I am hoping she responds well to the chemo, and we get to keep her around for a while longer. I may have had some trouble with her when we were taking care of her, but I lover her to death. and I am officially her favorite child. LMAO, she tells me that in front of Jo, and her brother Jeff. I think she does it just to play with them because she giggles every time, but also, she just really loves me. The sternness I had to use to get her strong again she hated during that time, but now she truly appreciates all of the effort and me making sure she did the work even when she didn't want to. Now she has gone from having a DNR from hating the quality of life to being willing to do whatever it takes to stick around. So you have to love that!
Dustin07
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ha probably all truth here. Funny thing is when my wife put on a few lbs most likely either from birth control and/or menopause she was miserable but I didn't really notice. but if you look at all the time we've been together she's seen me go from like 198 to 172 to 183 to 207 to my current 190ish so my weight has moved a helluva lot more than hers, only difference being that mine was intentional
in laws can be that wonderful double edged sword. for whatever reason there can be those periodic cultural clashes as they have a lifetime of doing things their way and you have a lifetime of developing your own way but in the end your heart does recognize them as blood family. I love my wife's aunt so much I will just leave the room if people start talking politics cause I know she and I will never agree so I always keep our conversations on mutual ground to focus on our positives.
gphagan1
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That’s one of the signs of a good wife….they love us no matter what. My wife is the same way, she says she’s attracted to me whether I’m lean with abs or rocking a Dad bod. And as far as a little romp in the bed, she’s always ready, even the times I would take Trest and she wouldn’t get as much sleep.
It does sound like your Mother in law loves you very much, and I’m sure looking back, she appreciates the tough love you showed her while talking care of her.
Segansational
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So sorry to hear about your MIL's health troubles. Unfortunately I lost mine to the big C, my father too. But he had surgery and chemo, a long stretch of really good years with no issues, and then a second bout of chemo many years down the line. The biggest thing I remember and have seen from others who've beaten or at least come out the other side for a while is positivity. So it's great to see she's ready for the fight! Keeping your family in my thoughts @MrKleen73
MrKleen73
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Yeah, when my wife got bigger than she had ever been she was getting super insecure, meanwhile I am still chasing her around like a horny teenager telling her how sexy she is. So it goes both ways there. Unfortunately for women not feeling like you are sexy makes you less interested in sex, but for a man someone wanting sex from him while he ain't feeling sexy is the opposite. It makes us feel sexier to be wanted regardless of how we feel about where we are physique-wise.ha probably all truth here. Funny thing is when my wife put on a few lbs most likely either from birth control and/or menopause she was miserable but I didn't really notice. but if you look at all the time we've been together she's seen me go from like 198 to 172 to 183 to 207 to my current 190ish so my weight has moved a helluva lot more than hers, only difference being that mine was intentional
in laws can be that wonderful double edged sword. for whatever reason there can be those periodic cultural clashes as they have a lifetime of doing things their way and you have a lifetime of developing your own way but in the end your heart does recognize them as blood family. I love my wife's aunt so much I will just leave the room if people start talking politics cause I know she and I will never agree so I always keep our conversations on mutual ground to focus on our positives.
Yes they can, but like you said in the end we just love each other. Also, SMART, VERY SMART! That is regarding walking away when topics you are incompatible on come up to preserve a relationship.
Agreed, and yeah I was worried for a while, and there was some animosity from her at first until her head cleared up a bit more. She was still suffering a bit of illness induced dementia when she left and really resented us because she didn't understand why we didn't just let her rest on her laurels and insisted she started doing whatever she could for herself on her own to become more self sufficient, and be able to live without us taking care of her. Once her head cleared she suddenly understood it, and was very grateful. big difference from the dementia type of childlike behavior to getting all your faculties back and comprehending what was actually going on. It is interesting, she didn't even remember some of the verbal abuse we took as a family in the process. Of course we didn't hold it against her either. We just had to wait for HER to come back to us mentally.That’s one of the signs of a good wife….they love us no matter what. My wife is the same way, she says she’s attracted to me whether I’m lean with abs or rocking a Dad bod. And as far as a little romp in the bed, she’s always ready, even the times I would take Trest and she wouldn’t get as much sleep.
It does sound like your Mother in law loves you very much, and I’m sure looking back, she appreciates the tough love you showed her while talking care of her.
Thanks Brother, I believe you are correct. The most important thing is mindset, and wanting to fight and live. That alone drastically improves her chances in my opinion.
Had a decent session last night. I only hit upper body, but I did the whole thing. I am going to do some lower body work today after work.
BB Incline bench - 2 work sets 175x1-2RIR, 2 down sets 135x1RIR
Pull Ups - 3 sets AMRAP - stopped here because i felt some annoyance in my trigger point area that lights up on me. I may add a couple of sets of seated rows today to finish it off after my lower body.
Complex - arms / medial delts. 3 sets @1RIR
DB Alternating Curls - 25
Dip Attachment - 115
DB Side Raises - 15
I was looking pretty massive after this. My delts are really looking impressive right now. Chest is large, back looking swole, arms looking good. No real complaints here. I honestly think my upper body is pretty close to the size it was last year, probably a little smaller, but I would say most of the overall muscle I have lost since then is mostly in my legs. My guess is I lost a solid 10lbs in the legs. They still aren't "small" by any means, and very defined with all heads of the quads showing separation when flexed. However, they do not look like a bodybuilders legs. They are more like impressive fitness enthusiasts legs. I can deal with that no problem.
If you noticed, nothing to failure for that workout. Since I had some downtime I treated it like it was a deload, and decided to come back and just do what was needed to stimulate. No MyoReps, or Rest Pauses. Just good hard straight sets for right now. I will keep things like this for safety sake until after my trip. Then will figure out what I can push more when I get back.
I am honestly considering doing a body weight type of workout for a little bit once I get back to allow some recovery, and the overall strengthening / body control required for bodyweight movements. That or doing a few mobility sessions a week to bring up those areas of weakness. I figure if I can devise some sort of complex of them it will be like a low intensity cardio session. Burning energy while strengthening movement patterns, and opening up tight areas. We shall see, but I am already looking forward and planning the next phase of fitness I am going into.
MrKleen73
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I leave on the 18th, so I was planning to put some pics up before I left. Get the last bit I can off before the "big reveal." Even though I didn't hit my physique goal, I am proud of how I am looking for what I have been able to do. I made some mistakes that cost me some time, but it was just a poor decision on my part to stop what I was doing. However, I also wanted more muscle than I had in my upper body and with how my shoulders are looking and where my chest is now compared to where it was, I am not unhappy here.
As far as my legs go, they are probably not as bad as it sounds, but I am also comparing myself to my bodyweight at or around the current composition I am now. Which was somewhere around 212. My legs were pretty big. However the shape and separation I have in my legs makes them look pretty damn impressive regardless. My sweep still looks good, quads are still good, it is just that the overall thickness is down a bit. Of course I could be wrong and have shrunk similarly all over my body but the muscle memory brought more of my upper body back because pushing legs has just been something I haven't been able to do consistently. Leg Curls, and Leg Extension only do so much.
Also, I have cleaned up quite a bit the last 2 days. Abs are back to where they were before the feasting, and possibly a tiny bit better. I think I can bring a pretty decent beach body in by the 18th if I do things right. I see no reason I can't drop another 1.5-2lbs before then. Doesn't sound like a lot but can make a visual difference from this bodyfat level.
Dustin07
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absolutely dude, 2lbs at your stature and BF still means a lot. it's not like your sitting at 342lbs untrained and talkinga bout 340lbs.