ScottyDoc
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OK, I'm back from my mini-short-lived 4 day vacation! I am all caught up and I completely agree with everyone, you are looking nice and lean and your quads are definitely sick, very nice separation!!!
KLEEN - Gets REDEFINE’D & grows to 6% w/ 1-Andro & PCT Revolution Black (Sponsored)
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OK, I'm back from my mini-short-lived 4 day vacation! I am all caught up and I completely agree with everyone, you are looking nice and lean and your quads are definitely sick, very nice separation!!!
ScottyDoc
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If they get any bigger and leaner... I don't know if I will be able to fight the urge to just cut a slab off and cook it up on the Grill! What can I say... BEEF... It's what's for DINNER!!! LoL
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TurningGreen
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Looked good for my progress pics. Thanks for the tip bro.
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DreamWeaver
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Turkey Sausage tonight... !!
DreamWeaver
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good one!!
thebigt
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ScottyDoc
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Agreed! Hard work does pay off!!! Now I just need to convince my legs of this, LoL!
thebigt
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mattrag
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THIS!!! hahaha
I love eating what most would consider "clean food" I just wanna be bigger so I can eat more of it
mattrag
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Nice work so far Kleen. I am just finishing off a AH/AL cycle, hitting my PCT later this week I think. I doubt I am going to bridge anymore.
Looking to see favorable results with your 1-andro cycle as I would love to run it later on.
Also, I like PCT black except for the fact it has Milk thistle (shown to be anti androgenic), and Saw P (which blocks DHT and can sometimes be detrimental to prostate health, even though it is thought to help it, so much literature). How do you like this product? I liked erase, but PCT black is cheaper for that one ingredient, just that it comes with a lot of other things in the pill.
Looking to see favorable results with your 1-andro cycle as I would love to run it later on.
Also, I like PCT black except for the fact it has Milk thistle (shown to be anti androgenic), and Saw P (which blocks DHT and can sometimes be detrimental to prostate health, even though it is thought to help it, so much literature). How do you like this product? I liked erase, but PCT black is cheaper for that one ingredient, just that it comes with a lot of other things in the pill.
thebigt
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the pro's of those two ingredients far outweigh the con's, imo.
mattrag
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Also, the dosing is far below what most would consider therapeutic dosing. Perhaps I will give it a try on my next cycle.
Rahl
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MrKleen73
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The weights -
Super set Standing Oly Bar Curl and Standing EZ Bar OH triceps ext. Remember guys I prefer my compound movements but trying to give the shoulders a total rest. Either way this was a fast paced trash and smash workout. I trashed my biceps and triceps.
Olympic Barbell Curls - 45x15, 95x12, 95x12, 95x12, 95x6, 65x12, 65x8, 65x3, 65x2
Standing Overhead Triceps Extensions - 75x12, 95x12, 105x12, 115x12, 115x12, 115x10, 95x12, 95x6
Major pump and vascularity. Just for grins I checked and my arms are normally just under 17 inches flexed, they were swole up to 17.5 after I finished the workout. I was also covered in sweat from working out in 90 degree garage man it felt good. I so wanted to work some chest back and shoulders but decided it was better that I wait.
Genetics have always kept my legs decent sized and very lean. Not big just decent so all I had to do was build size.
As far as bridging goes this is going to be my last long bridge too. Even though both have been mild products it has been a long time of pushing hard. That and I feel I can easily add 2-3 lbs to whatever I get from the 1-Andro if I had started it fresh instead of following up another PH into this one.
Milk Thistle can have anti-androgenic effects but not at the doses in the PCT Revolution Black, same for the Saw Palmetto yes it can be bad for the prostate but only when your estrogen levels are higher. It does have affinity for the dht receptors but kind of specific to the tissues in the prostate and the mammary glands, and only has a negative effect at high doses that perhaps women may use for breast enlargement but not what is taken for a male trying to avoid prostate issues. Granted I would much rather see Nettle Root as the main ingredient in any support supp but I have no fears of anything negative with the doses in here.
Yes for sure if you are trying to get the same ingredient as in ERASE in a stronger and cheaper way then PCT Revolution Black is good to go. Each dose has 50mg of the active ingredient and ERASE has 25mg per dose. That is SERIOUS ANTI E POWER! Also Finaflex is working to find out exactly how much DAA is needed to increase test levels and it appears it is not a 3 gram requirement. So perhaps the lower dose of DAA in the PCT Rev Black is enough to do something... I know they are looking at some pretty exciting things that could change the way we take DAA for good.
Super set Standing Oly Bar Curl and Standing EZ Bar OH triceps ext. Remember guys I prefer my compound movements but trying to give the shoulders a total rest. Either way this was a fast paced trash and smash workout. I trashed my biceps and triceps.
Olympic Barbell Curls - 45x15, 95x12, 95x12, 95x12, 95x6, 65x12, 65x8, 65x3, 65x2
Standing Overhead Triceps Extensions - 75x12, 95x12, 105x12, 115x12, 115x12, 115x10, 95x12, 95x6
Major pump and vascularity. Just for grins I checked and my arms are normally just under 17 inches flexed, they were swole up to 17.5 after I finished the workout. I was also covered in sweat from working out in 90 degree garage man it felt good. I so wanted to work some chest back and shoulders but decided it was better that I wait.
You are welcome and you look great man!
Love it! I used to call one of my buddies that. He had the legs that the tear drops hung over his knee instead of sweeping down into the knee so his legs looked so much bigger than mine in longer shorts, even though mine were the same size in the middle and upper thigh.
Thanks, I do love to do the work. As a matter of fact I am going to be putting 10 plates per side on this week and decided to have the wife record it. Kind of a milestone 20 plates for 12 reps. That is the highest I have been for reps in some time, and last time I went really heavy was like 20 plates and got 8 reps so incase we have a PR on our hands from the 1-Andro I want to record that beyotch.
Genetics have always kept my legs decent sized and very lean. Not big just decent so all I had to do was build size.
As far as bridging goes this is going to be my last long bridge too. Even though both have been mild products it has been a long time of pushing hard. That and I feel I can easily add 2-3 lbs to whatever I get from the 1-Andro if I had started it fresh instead of following up another PH into this one.
Milk Thistle can have anti-androgenic effects but not at the doses in the PCT Revolution Black, same for the Saw Palmetto yes it can be bad for the prostate but only when your estrogen levels are higher. It does have affinity for the dht receptors but kind of specific to the tissues in the prostate and the mammary glands, and only has a negative effect at high doses that perhaps women may use for breast enlargement but not what is taken for a male trying to avoid prostate issues. Granted I would much rather see Nettle Root as the main ingredient in any support supp but I have no fears of anything negative with the doses in here.
Yes for sure if you are trying to get the same ingredient as in ERASE in a stronger and cheaper way then PCT Revolution Black is good to go. Each dose has 50mg of the active ingredient and ERASE has 25mg per dose. That is SERIOUS ANTI E POWER! Also Finaflex is working to find out exactly how much DAA is needed to increase test levels and it appears it is not a 3 gram requirement. So perhaps the lower dose of DAA in the PCT Rev Black is enough to do something... I know they are looking at some pretty exciting things that could change the way we take DAA for good.
This! It takes excess in these products to cause any issues.
This as well.
mattrag
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Man you working hard buddy. lol
Yea, learning about the endocrine system during down time at work lol. Receptor down regulation seems imminent with the longer usage of any Steroid/PH. Makes me think about ordering more LCLT and looking into the properties of this supp.
RickRock13
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Hell of a set of wheels man!
MrKleen73
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Burn Day
So today is a burn day, I started off with 472 cals burned on the treadmill. I am about to go outside for my walk / lunch activity. After which I will have a shake with 3 scoops of protein, 1 cup frozen blueberries and .75 0z of almonds and 3 1400mg fish oil caps.
Yesterday I did hill sprints for about 30 minutes, just ran up walked down ran up walked down. Hill has an angle of about 45 degrees and about 40-50 yards long. I was sweating like a twinky at a fat camp.
Today I will more than likely just walk at lunch but if I feel good by the time I get to that hill I may just do more hill sprints. I felt so amazing after doing them yesterday. It has been a while since I did any kind of conditioning drill. There was a football team or something there with their coach and he had them doing some pretty cool stuff on the hill like hopping up the hill balancing on one leg, doing squat jumps up the hill, shuffling sideways up the hill. So if I go over there I may try a few of those things. However tomorrow is the day I hit 20 plates on Leg press so I don't want my legs too tired from todays activity.
On another note, I found a container of bulk cissus in my cabinet the other day and started taking it. Today my shoulders feel like there is an improvement, my hip does too. I think it is a lubrication issue and not any kind of injury. However I am not going to push it until I feel I am almost back to normal. Last thing I need is my cartilage grating across the bone when the cartilage is still healing. Good news is that I can tell it is not the injury from before.
I am concentrating on leaning up the rest of this run. I think the 1-Andro will keep my muscle where it needs to be or even increase it since the dose will be even higher. However I am lowering carbs somewhat and due to that it will look like I have lost LBM however glycogen and water are considered part of LBM so that is ok. I know I won't actually lose any real muscle during this time but the calipers may reflect that I have... That is why the mirror is often more important than the calipers. Honestly I don't think I am at 7.4% right now but that is what the calipers say. I carry a lot of my fat as visceral and IM fat so the sub-q measurments don't always capture how much fat is internal.
So today is a burn day, I started off with 472 cals burned on the treadmill. I am about to go outside for my walk / lunch activity. After which I will have a shake with 3 scoops of protein, 1 cup frozen blueberries and .75 0z of almonds and 3 1400mg fish oil caps.
Yesterday I did hill sprints for about 30 minutes, just ran up walked down ran up walked down. Hill has an angle of about 45 degrees and about 40-50 yards long. I was sweating like a twinky at a fat camp.
Today I will more than likely just walk at lunch but if I feel good by the time I get to that hill I may just do more hill sprints. I felt so amazing after doing them yesterday. It has been a while since I did any kind of conditioning drill. There was a football team or something there with their coach and he had them doing some pretty cool stuff on the hill like hopping up the hill balancing on one leg, doing squat jumps up the hill, shuffling sideways up the hill. So if I go over there I may try a few of those things. However tomorrow is the day I hit 20 plates on Leg press so I don't want my legs too tired from todays activity.
On another note, I found a container of bulk cissus in my cabinet the other day and started taking it. Today my shoulders feel like there is an improvement, my hip does too. I think it is a lubrication issue and not any kind of injury. However I am not going to push it until I feel I am almost back to normal. Last thing I need is my cartilage grating across the bone when the cartilage is still healing. Good news is that I can tell it is not the injury from before.
I am concentrating on leaning up the rest of this run. I think the 1-Andro will keep my muscle where it needs to be or even increase it since the dose will be even higher. However I am lowering carbs somewhat and due to that it will look like I have lost LBM however glycogen and water are considered part of LBM so that is ok. I know I won't actually lose any real muscle during this time but the calipers may reflect that I have... That is why the mirror is often more important than the calipers. Honestly I don't think I am at 7.4% right now but that is what the calipers say. I carry a lot of my fat as visceral and IM fat so the sub-q measurments don't always capture how much fat is internal.
ScottyDoc
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LOL. Try rubbing chicken and rice directly on the quads.
LoL... Why... I don't want Chicken Legs!
ScottyDoc
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MrKleen... "Yes for sure if you are trying to get the same ingredient as in ERASE in a stronger and cheaper way then PCT Revolution Black is good to go. Each dose has 50mg of the active ingredient and ERASE has 25mg per dose. That is SERIOUS ANTI E POWER! Also Finaflex is working to find out exactly how much DAA is needed to increase test levels and it appears it is not a 3 gram requirement. So perhaps the lower dose of DAA in the PCT Rev Black is enough to do something... I know they are looking at some pretty exciting things that could change the way we take DAA for good."
To answer this, let me say, we did our own in-house mini-study with adding a special ingredient to our DAA to make it more bioavailable to the body, therefore getting the same or better effect with taking less DAA. I ran 1.5g of DAA + special ingredient for 21 days with Blood work and the results are as follows:
Total Test Levels:
Day 1 - 169 ng/dL (original level before any DAA)
Day 7 - 188 ng/dL (up 19 = 11% increase from start)
Day 14 - 216 ng/dL (up 47 = 28% increase from start)
Day 21 - 235 ng/dL (up 66 = 39% increase from start)
I would conclude that the test was a success and that the special additive definitely made the DAA more bio-available in the body as I got very similar results as the Italian study with only taking 1.5g/day vs. 3.0g/day!
To answer this, let me say, we did our own in-house mini-study with adding a special ingredient to our DAA to make it more bioavailable to the body, therefore getting the same or better effect with taking less DAA. I ran 1.5g of DAA + special ingredient for 21 days with Blood work and the results are as follows:
Total Test Levels:
Day 1 - 169 ng/dL (original level before any DAA)
Day 7 - 188 ng/dL (up 19 = 11% increase from start)
Day 14 - 216 ng/dL (up 47 = 28% increase from start)
Day 21 - 235 ng/dL (up 66 = 39% increase from start)
I would conclude that the test was a success and that the special additive definitely made the DAA more bio-available in the body as I got very similar results as the Italian study with only taking 1.5g/day vs. 3.0g/day!
MrKleen73
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NICE RESULTS! Is that total serum levels or free test levels?
Yes I am not a fan of the new lay out unless I am using Google Chrome it looks and works great there. I have given at least 2 negative reputations while trying to give a positive because it somehow selected the negative one on it's own. Very frustrating not only to me but I am sure those who got the negatives marks. I of course got a mod involved to try to fix it but I think they ended up just giving them rep so that their points would go up. Either way there are still bugs to be worked out.
ScottyDoc
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They were my total serum levels, not the Free, my free went from 8.6 to 9.7 then stayed at 9.7 and then at the end were 7.4 which I think is because I drank two days before, not really sure why it went down so drastically in the last week??? I know my Test levels are very low, which actually explains a lot about how I have been feeling lately, lethargic, low labido, etc. Anyway, I have a MD friend of mine who is supplying me with a prescription of Testosterone and I'm going to get those levels back to where they should be, in the 800+ng/dL range (optimal)! Also, he said the optimal range for my FREE Testosterone should be somewhere between 30-40, again this is optimal to get my Test levels back to the range they should be for a Male in his early to mid twenties!!!
MrKleen73
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I thought it was a high for free test but really low for a man of your age. I was surprised to see that even with the DAA you didn't quite make it up to the low range of normal. You did make a very nice jump but really surprised about the overall numbers for you. Man getting on TRT will be like getting on cycle for you if your T levels have been that low for a long time.
oufinny
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Does said guy write prescriptions out of state by chance? J/K, still don't need it yet for TRT like it seems you may. Good to hear about the new DAA results, I actually talked to Chris about the 3 gram dose and both thought it is probably higher than it really needs to be. There are a lot of things going into various DAA supplements, curious what one actually produces the best results in people.
MrKleen73
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Just finished my walk from lunch, walked at about 3 mph for 1 hour on rolling terrain. Easily 350-450 in cals. I worked abs this morning and then did a few sets hanging off a park bench just now. Well I must be dehydtrated because my abs cramped up. I know the abdominal wall is one big muscle with tendons banded across it but man the cramp would travel from on ab block to the next one then to the other side when I would press on the muscle to stop the cram it just moved to a different ab. Was painful but also very cool... I looked like I had an alien trying to get out of my stomach when I wasn't pressing in on them they just kind of moved around in a spazm. Looked really cool and I was really impressed with how big / far each ab stuck out when at maximum contraction. Man I have some big ol abs.
About to go have my shake and take care of the other stuff I need to do at work today. I think if I continue through my weekends on the diet I should be able to drop a percent or two. However I really think that I have some visceral fat that needs to come off now which probably won't show on the calipers. My waist was 35 inches yesterday when I measured that is pretty high for my abs showing. I think due to the nature of the diet and increased carb intake the visceral fat which is VERY sensitive to insulin just hasn't come off yet. Lowering carbs a little more should take care of that.
About to go have my shake and take care of the other stuff I need to do at work today. I think if I continue through my weekends on the diet I should be able to drop a percent or two. However I really think that I have some visceral fat that needs to come off now which probably won't show on the calipers. My waist was 35 inches yesterday when I measured that is pretty high for my abs showing. I think due to the nature of the diet and increased carb intake the visceral fat which is VERY sensitive to insulin just hasn't come off yet. Lowering carbs a little more should take care of that.
ScottyDoc
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Agreed, not happy about my testosterone levels being so low, but am very excited about getting on some real test and under the supervision of an MD! I am just hoping it increases my motivation, I mean even when I'm in the gym, I don't have that crazy drive to push myself like I used to, I mean I do what I need to do because I know what I need to do, but I don't have that motivation to push the envelope and go for that extra rep, extra set, etc. That is what I want to come back!!!
ScottyDoc
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The only downside for me is I'm about to start a LOG with FINAFLEX products in my efforts to get Shreddeded for Halloween this year, if I start this Monday I have 16 weeks to do it, I just don't want to not include the fact that I'm taking Real Testosterone with it and am afraid that by including that info, which of course I will, many viewers may misconstrue what I am doing and/or give all the credit to the Testosterone and not the FINAFLEX products! I know lots of you are reading this, open for opinions... Oh and not taking the TEST is not an option, LoL, I wanna be 20 again!!!
MrKleen73
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Well the question there is when could you start the TRT and when would you be starting the FINAFLEX products? If you have been on TRT for say a month already then go to the Finaflex after you have already had a baseline from what the Test did for you then you can add in the other. Also MOST of us here who actually know TRT know that at a maximum it will give you high end of natural levels. It may help you gain some but honestly not that much. Another option would be to run the other products first and go on TRT after the runs instead of worrying about a PCT. However I don't see why you should have to run your stuff without any test when all of us have testosterone somewhere near the levels you will end up with on TRT so if anything all it does is even the playing field.
TurningGreen
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Man, There really is no better way to phrase what MrKleen just stated. Then again you could just tell all nay sayers to go kick rocks and do whats best for Doc. I know you have a company to represent, but those supplements really speak for themselves. Not to mention that a no cost package in the mail of Finaflex samples would seal some lips with the quickness, If one was interested of course. I don't know your history with cycling test, but you alone knows how it effects your body. So technically you would be logging the results of the unknown and new effects of the Finaflex Line on a body that has already experienced the effects of test. (I hope that makes sense...It sounds good in my head)
In other words your body with test would be considered at homeostasis (the control) and the finaflex line could then be critiqued as the experiment.
In other words your body with test would be considered at homeostasis (the control) and the finaflex line could then be critiqued as the experiment.
ScottyDoc
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Well with that being said, I only took my first shot last night, LoL and I start the rest on Monday when I start my Halloween Run! Fug-it, I'll just be honest and if people want to bash, let them bash! I'm not sure how I'm gonna run it this time, still deciding, we have plenty of both 1-ANDRO and EPI-V on hand... Not sure if I just want to run it the same way as last time! I'm kinda thinking of doing it more like 6 caps of 1-ANDRO per day for 4 weeks, then on weeks 5 - 8 start to taper it down but replace with EPI-V and end the last 6 wks with just EPI-V and maybe even take it to 8 caps for the last 2 weeks! I know that sound extreme, but I'm going to have to add more than just 1Lb of lean muscle to get to 210Lbs and below 5%, last time I checked (2 wks ago... not much has changed) I was 247Lbs, 18% BF with 199Lbs lean body mass!
Do you think that 210Lbs, @ 5% BF or less is too small on my 6'2" frame to pull of THOR? I was 183Lbs for Silver Surfer @ 4.6% BF (same as my avatar) and it was near perfect in my mind!
thebigt
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sorry to be jumping in middle of this...1st great results......2nd pct black looks amazing......3rd you won't believe the difference testosterone injections will make, even moreso if your level has been low for awhile.
ScottyDoc
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No Bro, jump in, that is why I throw things out there, I want opinions! Also, just like in the PM I sent you, I think you are mis-understanding my test results and what I took! I did not get those results from taking PCT REV. Black, I got that from taking the same DAA that is in our PURE TEST, but with a special additive that we are getting trademarked and I only took 1.5g of DAA with the special additive and got those results which were almost identical to the results from the "Italian Study" where the test subjects were taking 3g of DAA. So this mini-inhouse-experiment was to see if the additive truly makes the DAA more bioavailable in the body, allowing for the same results with less DAA, which it was a complete success! Understand?
Milas
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210lbs at 5%bf on 6'2" would be an athletic Thor, I guess it depends which version you're going for. Regardless, I totally think you can pull it off in epic fashion, don't sweat the details and just wear it with confidence, as you no doubt will.
Run the test, people who want to believe logs will, those who piss and moan about detail X, Y, Z are going to be nit picky about something regardless how nearly perfect you do it. You can't please all the people all the time, so just do whats right, be honest, and the rest will take care of itself as it is supposed to.
You do/have a lot of outrageous stuff in your life, it really is impressive. From the DL's, to the Chiropractor chopper, the Silver Surfer, etc. etc. I'm getting really jealous over here! You know how to live life!
Run the test, people who want to believe logs will, those who piss and moan about detail X, Y, Z are going to be nit picky about something regardless how nearly perfect you do it. You can't please all the people all the time, so just do whats right, be honest, and the rest will take care of itself as it is supposed to.
You do/have a lot of outrageous stuff in your life, it really is impressive. From the DL's, to the Chiropractor chopper, the Silver Surfer, etc. etc. I'm getting really jealous over here! You know how to live life!
ScottyDoc
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Oh, LoL, the Chiropractic Chopper was a joke, LoL, I wish I owned that, my Bad, LoL, the rest is 100% TRUE! I do like to put it out there, that is for sure! I just wish, just one of these years I could get a crew of guys & gals willing to do a Halloween Theme, I'm talking like the Avengers, X-Men or something, all going Balls-to-the-WALL!!! This past year when I went as a "WEAK-A$$" Venom, they had a pretty good Fantastic 4 representing, wish they had done that the year I did the SILVER SURFER, that would have been AWESOME!!!
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I was approx. 5.3% BF and weighed 203Lbs, the Black totally took away from both my size and my lean-ness!!! It sucked A$$, I was not pleased, Mystique liked it though, LoL!!!
Independent
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Whats your trt dosage?
ScottyDoc
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200mg/wk is what he told me to take, he said I only have to take it 1 x week, but I'm taking 100mg on Monday and 100mg on Friday, I know it is oil based, but I still think splitting it up is better than just taking it once a week, my friend (the MD) said "sure... as long as you don't mind sticking yourself twice a week, definitely can't hurt"
thebigt
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i agree about splitting it up. nattydisaster recomended this to me over a year ago. my total test went from 450 to right around 600 in a few months. i've been as high as 800!!!
if i remember it took about a month for full effects to kick in at 200 in 1 shot, it may kickin faster for you by splitting up dose.
what size syringe are you using?
Independent
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Thats a pretty high dosage, might want to lower it so you can avoid using an ai. Im borderline trt but Im trying to hold off and do it naturally. Here's a good listen, go to super human radio and listen to show #675. Start listening at the 1 hour mark. Mark Gordon is one of the top trt docs and gives some great info on dosages. If you go to high youre gonna be chasing all kinds of problems.
ScottyDoc
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3cc 1&1/2 inch 22 gauge, I hope you are right and it kicks in FAST!!! I honestly was starting to think like, "So this is what getting old feels like!" LoL, I'm serious though... and I should not be feeling that at 37yrs old!
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Thanks... I will do that!
thebigt
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after awhile i went with 21g 1/12, to much hassle getting it out of vial with smaller needles, but 22g will be fine.
you will get some effect-mainly libido in 1st week...i meant the full effect will take around a month. test cyp has been a real life changer for me-started 8/28/09.
Independent
Member
A lot of people are using insulin needles too. 28 gauge, you could pin yourself just about anywhere too with those.
mattrag
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Wow man liking those pics.
ScottyDoc you are really a good Finaflex rep (you seem like the main one). I've never bought anything from them but definitely more inclined to try something out knowing you roam here. My old idol has just recently left his company... so I'm kinda looking to latch on to more lol. (Marc will always be my favorite bodybuilder though, just right now he doesn't endorse anyone... makes you really wonder if any of this stuff works beyond placebo haha)
ScottyDoc you are really a good Finaflex rep (you seem like the main one). I've never bought anything from them but definitely more inclined to try something out knowing you roam here. My old idol has just recently left his company... so I'm kinda looking to latch on to more lol. (Marc will always be my favorite bodybuilder though, just right now he doesn't endorse anyone... makes you really wonder if any of this stuff works beyond placebo haha)
TurningGreen
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Finaflex...in my experience is very generous, and the Doc. is beyond helpful. From the samples i've received and reviewed I'd say that Finaflex has some of the most effective supplements that I've used. Looking forward to using PCT Rev. Black and Pure Test, and already loving the energy from Pro Xanthine. I can definitely see myself using Finalex for every facet of my supplement needs in the near future.
mattrag
Legend
NICE!!
I'm running the same stack you are so i'm interested in hearing how PCT rev is treating you in PCT. I'm on my last week as well. Running it on the UD2 with the Leangains eating window on low cal days and then eating more of a standard bodybuilding type on the carb ups. I like it