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KLEEN Cut's back on the supplements but not the progress!

Nice thanks Kleen!
I remember now that you had mentioned the Evan-Esh programming. Looks cool. I am going to look more into it as well as the Thib workouts.
Yeah, I have watched him and Elliot Hulse and like both of their styles of training too. I also think both of them have a good bit of philosophy and what not to share as well. I figure why not follow this for a few months, analyse how the programs are made and the type of periodization employed to help me in programming my own athletic based training. I figure it is worth $15 a month for that and to be able to ask him questions and what not.

I like doing a workout like that every so often for a change of pace. Jason Ferruggia has some good ones I have used.
Yeah he has some nice workouts too. Right now everything I am focusing on is becoming more athletic, stronger, and faster.
 
Yesterday was just a good day for fitness! I had time to go out for a walk for lunch, so I went out and walked the hills along the bayou for an hour. Then last night I did my first Garage Gym Gladiator routine. It was a beast!

MONDAY 8.03.15
Block 2 Day 1

1) HEROIC WARM-UP
Hit this warm up and then hit the rumble roller for 4 - 5 minutes to smash any tight areas.

Activate your Central Nervous System & raise your core temperature with a series of 8 movements. Perform each movement for 10 reps:
10 Jumping Jacks
10 Push-ups
10 Flap Jacks
10 Groiners
10 Air Squats
10 Frog Jumps
10 Sit-ups
10 Burpees


I did this with no rest, man Groiners and Frog Jumps take it out of you. This could be done as a bad ass weight loss / calisthenics circuit if repeated a few times!!!


2 - TESTED COMBO

5 SETS BOX SQUAT - super set with 2 Broad Jumps

1 - 275x5
2 - 315x4
3 - 365x3
4 - 405x3
5 - 425x3
- I felt like I had another 20 lbs but that was the last prescribed set.
Track your heaviest 3 rep set on the box squat.
425x3

Longest Broad Jump 8'10", shortest 8'6" - not too bad for not having done them in years and years plus being overweight right now.

Superset 2 = 3 rounds
REVERSE DB LUNGES 40x6, 50x6, 50x6
DOUBLE KETTLEBELL CLEANS - 40x6, 50x6, 50x6

Superset 3 - 3 sets
DUMBBELL OVERHEAD CARRY - 50lbs x 30 yards
BAND PULL-APARTS - Long Orange band doubled over x20
Lock dumbbells OR kettlebells overhead, walk slowly and minimize back arch!

MOBILITY COOL DOWN - 6 minutes of foam rolling

I have to say I was beat, I was gasping for air and pushing the pace, lifting as soon as I felt I could get back under the bar. By the time I went inside my clothes had to be rung out. I couldn't just leave them the way they were, it was pretty ridiculous! I finished 1/2 gallon of water during the workout alone.
 
Those box squats, strong...

Thanks Simon! I used my bench so about a 16 inch box... Had me about an inch above parallel by my best estimation.
 
I love that complex the other day; bet the pull-ups after the high pulls were a bear.
The Even-esh routine seems REALLY well laid out. Like now that I see it I like everything about it for what it's trying to accomplish, but I couldn't have invented it myself. There's a lot of common sense and practical reasons for a lot of the exercise selection, loading order and intensity. Plus warmth and activation and maintenance work are pretty seamlessly integrated without wasting time.
 
Also build some stackable boxes, or an 11" w 3-5 in of stackable stable mat works well. Then you can tailor height to various lifters and desired depth. Can also stack the old foam insert from a couch's cushion if you see one on the side of the road for trash for another fun training variable - the cushion provides spatial feedback when hips approach depth but will let the hips sink in and receive a minute rebound element coming off the box. Good for teaching depth.
 
I love that complex the other day; bet the pull-ups after the high pulls were a bear.
The Even-esh routine seems REALLY well laid out. Like now that I see it I like everything about it for what it's trying to accomplish, but I couldn't have invented it myself. There's a lot of common sense and practical reasons for a lot of the exercise selection, loading order and intensity. Plus warmth and activation and maintenance work are pretty seamlessly integrated without wasting time.

Also build some stackable boxes, or an 11" w 3-5 in of stackable stable mat works well. Then you can tailor height to various lifters and desired depth. Can also stack the old foam insert from a couch's cushion if you see one on the side of the road for trash for another fun training variable - the cushion provides spatial feedback when hips approach depth but will let the hips sink in and receive a minute rebound element coming off the box. Good for teaching depth.

Agreed Brother Hyde! He knows his stuff for certain. I figure having him do my programming for a few months is a sure fire way to learn from a great! The workout last night was so much more challenging than I anticipated looking at it too! I loved it! I am huffing and puffing like an overworked freight train at every workout now. I have to steady my resolve on many occasions when it would be easy to say I am done because I can't breathe any more. LOL I am really loving the hell out of this!

Some great suggestions on the box, I was planning to build some stackables, even do enough that they are high enough to do dead stop military press off the boxes and everything. That and that would be great to just pick up and put down sand bags for conditioning.
 
Inspiration right here! Nice job brother!
 
Inspiration right here! Nice job brother!

Thanks, I am motivated for sure. I am loving this and feeling more spry in a lot of ways. I can feel my explosiveness returning and am getting quick as lightening again. My knees are a little creaky, but it is that achy inflammation stuff, not injured. Just not used to what is happening to it. I chose to just walk yesterday to let my knees and heel have a day for themselves. I was a little behind on nutrition so it just made sense. Plus I needed to handle something with my daughter.

Tonight should be interesting, I have to do a tested lift on heavy DB bench press by heavy I mean it goes down into doubles via a pyramid scheme 10, 8, 6, 4, 2. I have never gone that heavy on DB's so this should be a challenge. I know I am not benching quite as much as before but I have Incline DB Benched 125x6 so I don't even have an option at the gym to go heavier. At home I have some Olympic DB handles and a lot of 25's so I can easily get to 150 + if needed but those things are so big and clumsy. It is very hard to get a knee up with them also because of the collar clips and the bar sticking out so long. So that should be a challenge in and of itself.

Other than the Bench there will be Bent over rows, DB Snatches, Band pull aparts, band triceps extensions, sled dragging and foam rolling.

I am really looking forward to it.
 
Yeah, the longer the DBs get the harder they seem to be to get up. Awkward to say the least. 125 x 6 is impressive in itself. 120's killed my forearms getting them up, can't imagine trying heavier. Good luck man!!
 
Yeah, the longer the DBs get the harder they seem to be to get up. Awkward to say the least. 125 x 6 is impressive in itself. 120's killed my forearms getting them up, can't imagine trying heavier. Good luck man!!

Thanks! The 125x6 was with solid DB's at a gym so it was definitely easier than the Oly DB handles. It went pretty well... Kind of! Here is how it went down.

1 -Heroic Warm-up I have to recommend this warm up over any I have done before. I am far more alert, warmed up and activated after this over doing 5-10 minutes on cardio stuff.

10 Jumping Jacks
10 Push-ups
10 Flap Jacks
10 Groiners
10 Air Squats
10 Frog Jumps
10 Sit-ups
10 Burpees


2A - Dumbbell Bench Press - 50x10, 75x8, 105x6, 115x4, 125x2
2B - Bent Over Row - 155x10, 205x8, 255x6, 275x4, 295x2, 305x2 I got to 295 and knew I had more in me so I did another double @ 305.

3A - Kettlebell Snatch (Zach) - 4 x 6 x 50lbs - new to me but got the hang quickly, had to use DB's though...
3B - Band Pull-Aparts - 4 x 24 - long thin orange band doubled over


4A - Barbell Shrug - 225x15, 315x10, 365x5 - I could have gone up but I wanted more full ROM and quality, and this was just right.
4B - Band Triceps - 3 x 25 thick orange band from Mountain dog pack

5 - Sled Drags - 1 x 7:00 - no added weight just continuous dragging - tire with chain and wood is about 50lbs but the rubber makes it grab the road so the friction makes it feel much heavier.

6 - Mobility Cool Down (Foam Rolling) - 1 x 6:00

As I went to put the 125's down the olympic handle broke! The alligator clip collar hit something, and jolted it and the top of the handle just collapsed down on top of my hand. I jerked my hand out as quickly as I could but it clapped the meaty part of my thumb between all the 25s. I took a few minutes to try to see how messed up my hand was and if I could continue. I got my resolve back from the scare and went back to work. My thumb wrist and shoulder are a tiny bit sore from the weight slamming and jerking my arm around but I am okay. Hopefully nothing stiffens up and gets worse on me.

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Killer session. But man scary with that handle breaking!!

No doubt, I honestly almost called the workout to an end. It took a lot out of me mentally. I had to call the inner warrior back out and tell him the war was not over. There was to be no retreat, only a regrouping.

Oh check this out Dma378 I KNOW you will appreciate this! Look what goodies I just got in the mail last night to run a little log on!

BOOYACKAH!!!!!!!!!!

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I should more than likely be starting it up on Monday! I will link things in here then move to that log for a bit. I won't be running the high dose you have but I think it will be just fine for me!
 
You were lucky! Glad it didn't break anything.
 
No doubt, I honestly almost called the workout to an end. It took a lot out of me mentally. I had to call the inner warrior back out and tell him the war was not over. There was to be no retreat, only a regrouping.

Oh check this out Dma378 I KNOW you will appreciate this! Look what goodies I just got in the mail last night to run a little log on!

BOOYACKAH!!!!!!!!!!

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I should more than likely be starting it up on Monday! I will link things in here then move to that log for a bit. I won't be running the high dose you have but I think it will be just fine for me!

That picture makes me excited!!! I bet this combo is outstanding. Can't wait for the log. Feel free to post the link in my log as well bro.
 
I should more than likely be starting it up on Monday! I will link things in here then move to that log for a bit. I won't be running the high dose you have but I think it will be just fine for me!

So strong you broke the dam bar! ;)

Really looking forward to you running Rad.... always value your opinion..
 
You were lucky! Glad it didn't break anything.
Yeah, looks like I am buying the weight upgrade for my Iron Masters!!!! I was looking at the 125, but I think if I spring for the 165 upgrade it has the whole 125 included so I will probably go with that. Also contemplating the Kettle Bell handle they have. :)
That picture makes me excited!!! I bet this combo is outstanding. Can't wait for the log. Feel free to post the link in my log as well bro.

I think it will be perfect for stripping the fat off while continuing to increase performance and hopefully LBM! With the insane gains you are getting right now I am expecting something nice, gradual, but noticeable! I will more than likely run both at 2 caps a day.

So strong you broke the dam bar! ;)

Really looking forward to you running Rad.... always value your opinion..
Yes I am very excited about it too! Not a bad return to more supplements! I figure these have got to be better for me than going full on methylation. However I might go so far as to bump to 3 a day for a week or two.

Pretty exciting looking products.

Yes very, are you in DMA's thread for the RADAR1NE? It is quite impressive!
 
No first I ever heard of it. I have budget problems I have to deal with before I could consider it.
 
Oh yeah by the way, I forgot to mention that I weighed in at 214.5 yesterday morning before eating. So I am down 11.5 lbs in the last 3 or so weeks. No wonder I was noticing changes in the mirror!

Heck yeah!! Awesome work!

No doubt, I honestly almost called the workout to an end. It took a lot out of me mentally. I had to call the inner warrior back out and tell him the war was not over. There was to be no retreat, only a regrouping.

Oh check this out Dma378 I KNOW you will appreciate this! Look what goodies I just got in the mail last night to run a little log on!

BOOYACKAH!!!!!!!!!!

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I should more than likely be starting it up on Monday! I will link things in here then move to that log for a bit. I won't be running the high dose you have but I think it will be just fine for me!

Oooo niiice! Excited to see you run those!!


So glad you're ok! That's freaking crazy that it broke!!!
 
No first I ever heard of it. I have budget problems I have to deal with before I could consider it.
He is packing on muscle quite quickly. Up 7 lbs in 14 days and thinks only 1 is fat. Pretty awesome. Says the glycogen retention from it is SICK!!!!
Heck yeah!! Awesome work!



Oooo niiice! Excited to see you run those!!


So glad you're ok! That's freaking crazy that it broke!!!

No doubt on both accounts! I think this little log I am going to run the next 30-45 days should get me over the hump into a spot I would feel more confident about selling myself as a trainer. I know I am harder on myself than most and look more the part than many other trainers but it is something in my head. It says if you intend to lead, you need to be able to do so by example.
 
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Brutal workouts and hand smashing - your logs are crazy! Glad your hand wasn't under that weight!
 
Nice way to keep on trucking! And with the Mk677 or w/e it's called Yates was saying you want to start light at 1 cap per night and then add a cap/night every month. It works better the longer you can run it but the dose must always be increased as you acclimate.
He mentioned 3 month waves of 1, 2 then 3 caps/night the final month with 4 wks at least off to resensitize.
 
Brutal workouts and hand smashing - your logs are crazy! Glad your hand wasn't under that weight!
It was actually still between them when they slammed together. Lucky got the meaty portion and wasn't weight on bone on concrete...
Nice way to keep on trucking! And with the Mk677 or w/e it's called Yates was saying you want to start light at 1 cap per night and then add a cap/night every month. It works better the longer you can run it but the dose must always be increased as you acclimate.
He mentioned 3 month waves of 1, 2 then 3 caps/night the final month with 4 wks at least off to resensitize.
I'll have to talk to him about it, that sounds good but he mentioned using for high levels would start in the 20 area. I will definitely test it to see how well it works with one. Thanks for the info!
Nice looking stack amigo :)

Can't wait to run Ghar1ne myself.
Gracias, I am pretty excited about it. Should be a fun run. I forgot I have my physical this week so I will probably start next Monday instead.

Had a nice impromptu workout on Saturday just some push group stuff with a metabolic complex at the end. My buddy brought his son over for some athletic training. Worked on skills for the lifts more than weight. Basically ran through the Push Ramp I was doing a couple weeks ago.

Medicine ball push press 3 sets of 5
Push Press 6 sets of 3
Incline Bench 5 sets 3
Flat bench 4 x 3


Complex = alternating Arm Battle Rope, push ups, 2 Arm Rope Slams, Reverse Rows. 30 seconds each no rest between them for 3 rounds.

Sunday I started doing the prescribed Weighted carry workout but the Oly DB's just didn't help me out. When I tried putting down the heavy DB the weights rolled in my hand and came down on my knuckle. I tried to keep going but my finger was bleeding and throbbing so I just called it a day. I figure the extra workout Saturday will make up for it energy wise.

On tap for tonight is working up to a 1 rep max on Box Squats. Basically the same workout as last week just down to a single instead of a double. I brought my pre-workout to work in hopes that if I take it when I leave I will be ready to walk in change clothes and get to work. Help me get to bed earlier and give me more time to eat afterwards.

New Weight Update from the weekend. I am down from 214.7 to 213.2 this week. So the scale just keeps on moving in the right direction! I will take 1.5 lbs in a week for sure.
 
Alright guys and gals, here we are with an update from yesterday's training!

Super hero Warm Up = 8 body weight full body calisthenic movements done in a circuit for 10 reps each.
Jumping Jacks, Push Ups, Flap Jacks, Groiners, Air Squats, Frog Jumps, Sit Ups, & Burpees

6 Minutes foam rolling any tight areas

Super Set 1
Box Squats 225x5, 315x4, 365x3, 405x2, 445x1, 465x1 PRs
- I have never been that heavy on Box squats, in all honesty 465 is the most weight I have ever put on my back.
Broad Jumps - x2, x2, x2, x2, x2 Jumps were on average 8'6" except the last 2 which were shorter after the 2 singles attempts.

Super Set 2
Reverse Lunges 45x10, 55x8, 65x6
- That last set got pretty challenging.
DB Power Cleans 45x6, 55x6, 65x6 - I did kind of a Power Hammer Curl on the last 2 sets, the first one i did normal but the catch position was aggravating my elbow.

Super set 3
2 Hand DB Overhead Carries - 55 x 30 yards x 3 sets
I went up 5 lbs from last time, and boy oh boy could I feel it! These are sick and get my traps and shoulders in a way they are not used to. The overhead carry actually puts you into a BFR situation for your shoulders, traps, upper pecs and triceps. Which in turn can offer a lot of growth.
Band Pull Aparts - x20, x20, x20 Used different hand position for each set.

Cool down = 6 minutes rolling - I am really starting to "enjoy" the foam rolling. It is great that it is listed as a part of the workout and not extra. That way if I don't do it I failed to complete my training session. I intend on buying a Rumble Roller to get more sheer, and a few of the other things the Kelly Starret has come up with on the MobilityWOD site.

Again I was literally dripping sweat everywhere I went there were steady drops falling. I even had water dripping from the bottom of my shirt I had saturated it with so much sweat. I drank 1/2 gallon of water during this workout as well.
 
Crushing...
Thanks I am really enjoying this form of training.
Awesome man! Overhand carries must have been tough...
Oh they are, and I try to keep my hands outside my shoulders so the medials really have to work harder. By the end I stack them stright up from my shoulders because i can't have them to the side a little or they are going down. I am trying to keep them in the position of a Snatch wear your hands are up, out, and toward the back of your head so it crushes all three heads of the delts.
The strength is impressive Chris.

Thanks! I was really surprised. The box I am using is the end of a weight bench and it is 19 inches high. Exactly 1.5 inches above parallel for me. I would have liked an 18 inch but we work with what we have. I am rocking back and letting the hips settle before coming back up off the box so things are good. I can tell you if we keep this up I will have 500 on my back for these in no time.

Yesterday was unfortunately a bust as far as cardio goes. I took my pre-workout at work before leaving for the day and got home. No sooner than we walked in we got hit by a massive storm. Had a few inches fall very quickly and the power got knocked out. So basically I was stuck at home, raining like cats and dogs outside, no electricity, even at the gym so I was hosed. Unfortunately our power is still not on so we had to get ready for work in the dark. I didn't get much sleep and it was well over 80 in the house this morning... Hopefully the power is on when we get home. I have to work late tonight too so not 100% sure I will get to lift. As long as things go well I should but if I get stuck at work I may have to do today's lift tomorrow. I hope not because I really do not want to fall behind. I guess if I do miss it I will just do some walking tonight or something to burn things off without waking me up before bedtime. I am going to progress under the assumption things will go well tonight and I will be able to lift! :)

Tonight will be more upper body based, here is a snapshot of the workout. I will have to use DB's instead of kettle bells, but can do everything else no problem.

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Drink more water and make sure you're getting the electrolytes to keep up. I have to bring a towel to my gym I sweat so much I can't chalk my hands without drying them between sets and I drink closer to a gallon on those days. A 595mg potassium gluconate pill w your preworkout intake makes a huge difference too assuming you're getting enough sodium. $5 at Walmart for like a bazillion.
Tonight's routine looks awesome; hope power is back for you guys!
 
Drink more water and make sure you're getting the electrolytes to keep up. I have to bring a towel to my gym I sweat so much I can't chalk my hands without drying them between sets and I drink closer to a gallon on those days. A 595mg potassium gluconate pill w your preworkout intake makes a huge difference too assuming you're getting enough sodium. $5 at Walmart for like a bazillion.
Tonight's routine looks awesome; hope power is back for you guys!

Excellent suggestions. I have 99mg potassium but will bump to the higher ones. When you have both sodium and potassium balanced out is when you get the most full, the most hydrated and perform the best. Your joints are more cushioned everything is better. If tracking them try to hit about 4g of each per day to start and go up from there. You will be surprised. You can gain 2-3 lbs and look leaner just from getting them balanced out. Most people don't get close to enough potassium which is why they have to keep sodium so low. When you have them both up high enough the difference is unreal. It just is not that easy to pay attention to it unless really nailing your nutrition down.

Just got word that the electricity is back on. WooHoo!!!!!
 
I didn't know that, will play with it more for sure!

One of my coach friends had a special ask the Naturopath day in his group. He brought in a naturopath that is also a bodybuilder who knows just about everything when it comes to stuff like that. Guy was an encyclopedia. He had a couple of the guys in the group do the electrolyte balancing one day. He told them to take a picture as they were, then load the whole day starting at 4g each. The end of the next day they took pics, all were heavier, fuller and leaner looking. They all said they felt like I million bucks! I did it for one day just to see and there was a definite difference. I told myself when i nail my nutrition down again this will be one of the aspects I make sure to track.
 
I do sodium loading during prep, I am thinking about adding in potassium so 4g to start with would be ok ? I don't have any issues with hydration at all but would love to maintain a fuller look.
 
I do sodium loading during prep, I am thinking about adding in potassium so 4g to start with would be ok ? I don't have any issues with hydration at all but would love to maintain a fuller look.

Yes that is per day, and the total, so you would want to track the potassium & sodium in your MFP or Daily Plate app. Spinach is very high in potassium too which is great for alkalizing also so for you that is a win win!
 
Alright so last nights lift was pretty fuggin awesome. First time out on floor press and got over 300 up!!!!

Heroic Warmup

Superset 1
A1 Floor Press = 135x8, 185x5, 265x3, 295x1, 310x1
, 325x fail - Was very stoked to have gotten over 300! I got 325 to about 2 maybe 3 inches shy of ******* too!
Pendlay Row - 135x6, 225x6, 225x6, 225x6, 225x6 - these were feeling extremely heavy by the last set!

Superset 2
DB Snatch 45x10, 55x10, 65x8, 65x8
- these were very heavy towards the end. I am definitely getting better at them!
Band Pull Aparts - 24, 24, 24, 24 - what a pairing with the snatch! Talk about rear delt abuse!

Super Set 3
Barbell Shrugs 325x15, 365x10, 365x5
- Wow I wore myself out with the 325x15 the 365x10 was hard and shrugs were getting shorter so I didn't move up for the set of 5 good thing too.
Band Triceps Extensions x 35 for 3 sets - used fat orange bands, had to do some rest pauses to finish.

Tire Drag x 7:00 minutes straight!!!! Holy Hell, this is torture, and I love / hate it!!!!

Cool Down - 6 minutes foam rolling.


All in all it was a bad ass workout!

Now I just wanted to post up something I posted on Facebook this morning. It is just how I have been feeling and I think it can help others in a way.

"Workouts are going great, did a 310 for a single on floor press last night. My first time doing them. Not sure of weight just yet, but I am feeling leaner almost daily.

Speaking of that, I figured I would share a few thoughts coming from an "old vet" in the fitness and nutrition game. I have been doing this for years and years. I actually love to workout and studying nutrition and what not has been a major interest of mine for years. Up until last year I maintained a relatively lean and athletic look since 2008. Last summer things in life became overwhelming, injuries, family illnesses and the like. Just like anyone else can do I fell off the wagon. I gained about 20 lbs of fat and lost some muscle. I just want to let everyone out there know that the struggle is real for everyone. Even those of us who love this lifestyle and live it can fall prey and get out of the habit. It is also very hard to get back into it for us, just like for you even though we already have a passion for it. For us it is also a lesson in humility because we are always much weaker, and in poor condition so things that were easy before are ridiculously hard or not even possible when we return. So don't think that set backs and mistakes are only a plight for you. ANYONE CAN FALL PREY TO SET BACKS EVEN LIFE LONG GYM RATS!!!!

When you are unmotivated and lost in your journey things can begin to seem hopeless. Each step forward can seem so small and useless. When you fall prey to that and mentality & stop moving forward you are not pausing, you are falling behind. Just take that one small step, the one that follows is not your concern yet. You have to remember it is the sum of those seemingly tiny & useless steps that will have you at your goal before you know it. Don't get paralyzed trying to plan the perfect start. It is not extremely important what step you make your first, so long as YOU GET TO STEPPING!

I was feeling hopeless about my slow return to working out and nutrition, but I kept making baby steps. Even when I faltered I didn't decide to give up, from once a week workouts grew to 2 or 3 to 5 or 6 now depending on how I feel and what seems like fun. Yes I said FUN!

The point is, get moving, it doesn't matter what the goal is. Start taking at least one step toward it every day and you will be surprised how far you have come when you look back at where you were. I am happy for those baby steps over the last several months. Without them I would not be here now 18lbs lower than my highest weight 5 weeks ago.

Now I feel strong and my stride has grown. My baby steps are bigger and my progress is snowballing now. Considering it all came from such a haphazard & sporadic start. From the outside looking in it must have looked like a man failing to get the job done. Even looking in the mirror it felt that way. I wanted to give up and stop. I felt I wasn't holding up my part of the bargain but I was, not because I executed perfectly but that I chose to continue to execute when I wanted to give up. What felt like failure has turned into a success by simply not quitting. I am not at my goal now but I am well on my way, and each step is becoming easier to take. More automatic and less forced than the last. Like I said it has now become FUN AGAIN!

Everyone can achieve great success if they just refuse to quit when hope seems distant & scarce. The steps don't have to be grand, or perfect, just continued and the progress will come! That goes for any kind of goal you have in life, not just fitness."
 
Yes that is per day, and the total, so you would want to track the potassium & sodium in your MFP or Daily Plate app. Spinach is very high in potassium too which is great for alkalizing also so for you that is a win win!

Hard to estimate Sodium intake when you are sodium loading as the idea is to put a lot of salt on your meals. How do you estimate that ?
 
If your electrolytes are in balance they are in balance. So no need for the water manipulation. Just cut water out in the evening before the show if you need to. If your balance is right you don't want to dehydrate at all you are full and our skin is tight. With the sodium loading and all of that you are trying to time the middle of a swinging pendulum. Keeping yourself in balance means you are already where you would want to be on stage or extremely close to it were simply limiting water and having some carbs the night before would take care of it.

If doing the manipulation keep in mind if you keep sodium higher all the time there is no need for sodium loading. The body notices a the drop already you don't have to create a surplus to make the deficit look larger if it is already bountiful. They key in doing that is to make sure you are keeping potassium close to even with it. The guy said you can play with the ratios once you start and get a baseline for what the improvement feels like. I know you asked for more info but it was a group of posts and follow ups with a specialist in a private group I belong to so there isn't anything I can refer you to. However that being said I don't think the optimal balance of electrolytes for the human body is going to vary much on a cellular basis. What I do think the considerations would be matching overall electrolyte levels to the amount of water you are drinking, flushing, or sweating. Obviously you need to replenish levels more regularly when doing any of the 3 in large quantity. Drinking more causes you to urinate more which expels electrolytes. Same with with sweating.
 
I had some friends come over yesteerday and trained them. made a lot of it conditioning so I could do it then do my tested workout today. I am waiting for it to cool down a little later around 7 or 8 though it is ridiculous out there now. Then again who knows... I am going to head up to Home Depot and grab some contractor bags and some pea gravel to make a few sand bags. I might go pick up a tire inner tube and make a Bulgarian bag to train with.

A little update on the weight, I am down another 1.3 lbs this week to 211.9 lbs. I have 7 more until my original goal for by Halloween... I may be a little ahead of schedule. I go for my Physical Monday, get blood drawn and then I start my log for the GHAR1NE, and RADAR1NE! I will probably post it up this weekend, and take some progress / starting pics.
 
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