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Kickstart HPTA

skyline999

skyline999

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Hi guys,

Looking to kickstart HPTA and was wondering if I should run some Rebirth with Viron or Rebirth with Viron and Letrone?

Not done any cycles but was on finasteride which increased my libido and then it tanked with high prolactin and I feel as though in an estrogen bound state with tender Breasts and ED. Similar to what you body builders face when injecting/ingesting Test.

Could the above help?
 
skyline999 said:
Hi guys,

Looking to kickstart HPTA and was wondering if I should run some Rebirth with Viron or Rebirth with Viron and Letrone?

Not done any cycles but was on finasteride which increased my libido and then it tanked with high prolactin and I feel as though in an estrogen bound state with tender Breasts and ED. Similar to what you body builders face when injecting/ingesting Test.

Could the above help?
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I'd definitely get bloodwork.
 
skyline999 said:
Thank. I’ve had blood work, elevated prolactin and elevated progesterone. Everything else within reference range.
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If you just have elevated prolactin, give Prolactrone a try. If you want a libido and free test boost, add Viron. RYAN15 will get you a discount on the BLR website.
 
skyline999 said:
Thank. I’ve had blood work, elevated prolactin and elevated progesterone. Everything else within reference range.
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Free Test and Total Test are normal?

You could try something like Inhibit-P.

What did the Dr say (or was it Dr Prescribed)?
 
Renew1 said:
Free Test and Total Test are normal?

You could try something like Inhibit-P.

What did the Dr say (or was it Dr Prescribed)?
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Free test and total test normal. I wake up with testicle pain with minimal morning wood. Dr prescribed cabergoline to keep the prolactin down, I’ve not been given anything for progesterone, he said he’s not too bothered about progesterone but I’ve seen posts saying elevated progesterone can have an effect so was wondering to give Rebirth and Viron a go like a “pct”.
Any thoughts ?
 
skyline999 said:
Free test and total test normal. I wake up with testicle pain with minimal morning wood. Dr prescribed cabergoline to keep the prolactin down, I’ve not been given anything for progesterone, he said he’s not too bothered about progesterone but I’ve seen posts saying elevated progesterone can have an effect so was wondering to give Rebirth and Viron a go like a “pct”.
Any thoughts ?
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You could try it.
It shouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not totally convinced it'll help.

Hopefully Time (with Caber in the meantime) will straighten you back out.
 
Renew1 said:
You could try it.
It shouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not totally convinced it'll help.

Hopefully Time (with Caber in the meantime) will straighten you back out.
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Caber should of dropped his prolactin immediately. What it sounds like to me is his body does not have as much 5 alpha reductase as he did prior to finasteride. Sounds like low DHT levels now, compared to prior to finasteride. Raising test, and slightly lowering estrogen might provide a little more free test. But time will overall be the answer.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Caber should of dropped his prolactin immediately. What it sounds like to me is his body does not have as much 5 alpha reductase as he did prior to finasteride. Sounds like low DHT levels now, compared to prior to finasteride. Raising test, and slightly lowering estrogen might provide a little more free test. But time will overall be the answer.
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Could be!

(y)
 
Thank you. I’m going to have a DHT test done so will let you guys know what the outcome is.


I think you’re right....


ValiantThor08 said:
Caber should of dropped his prolactin immediately. What it sounds like to me is his body does not have as much 5 alpha reductase as he did prior to finasteride. Sounds like low DHT levels now, compared to prior to finasteride. Raising test, and slightly lowering estrogen might provide a little more free test. But time will overall be the answer.
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What would be the best way to tackle this? What drugs should I ask my endo for?
 
I would suggest taking supplements/herbs that are touted to naturally raise DHT. You don't want to take anything suppressive right now.
 
skyline999 said:
Any recommendation ?
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Increasing testosterone overall is one way. Viron and Rebirth would be good. Creatine Monohydrate is speculated to increase DHT. Make sure you have sufficient zinc and d3 in diet. Pine Pollen. Butea Superba Root extract.
 
Thank you.

Rebirth
Viron
Letrone

All on the way.

How should I stack? Is the below ok?

Rebirth 2 caps daily (am & pm?)
Viron 1 cap daily
Letrone 1 cap daily?
 
beefyfan said:
Outside of proviron or other anabolics what otc product would you recommend to raise dht?
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Arimahex possibly:

"Baylor University conducted an eight-week study to determine the effects of 300 mg or 600 mg of 4-AT in resistance-trained males. Compared to baseline, free testosterone increased by 90% for 300 mg group and 84% for 600 mg group, respectively. Also Invalid Link Removed and the ratio of Invalid Link Removed to Invalid Link Removed increased significantly."

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KvanH said:
Arimahex possibly:

"Baylor University conducted an eight-week study to determine the effects of 300 mg or 600 mg of 4-AT in resistance-trained males. Compared to baseline, free testosterone increased by 90% for 300 mg group and 84% for 600 mg group, respectively. Also Invalid Link Removed and the ratio of Invalid Link Removed to Invalid Link Removed increased significantly."

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this otc or prescription?
 
skyline999 said:
Is

this otc or prescription?
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Otc. Apex has it in topical gel. It's out of stock right now. Apex just had a full collection wide sale yesterday.

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Arimahex - AnabolicMinds.com

Arimahex contains the androstenedione metabolite known as 6-OXO. This concentrated metabolite is produced naturally by the human body and is found in several types of meats. We've packaged this product with a stylish and easy to use bottle and dropper for quick and simple applications...
anabolicminds.com anabolicminds.com

These guys can help you with questions regarding restock or about the product @nostrum420 @Renew1 @xR1pp3Rx
 
KvanH said:
Otc. Apex has it in topical gel. It's out of stock right now. Apex just had a full collection wide sale yesterday.

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Arimahex - AnabolicMinds.com

Arimahex contains the androstenedione metabolite known as 6-OXO. This concentrated metabolite is produced naturally by the human body and is found in several types of meats. We've packaged this product with a stylish and easy to use bottle and dropper for quick and simple applications...
anabolicminds.com anabolicminds.com

These guys can help you with questions regarding restock or about the product @nostrum420 @Renew1 @xR1pp3Rx
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Question, is it suppressive or non suppressive?
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Question, is it suppressive or non suppressive?
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technically its not suppressive in terms of how many of the forum members throw that term around.. however, you are taking something that can have a profound effect on the endo system therefore its best not to run this too long. i suggest 8 weeks max before a break.

this will make arimastane look and feel like childs play.
 
It is the opposite of suppressive:

Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p < 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p < 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively.

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For the OP I think the Arimahex could stack nicely with the Rebirth and Viron, but I wouldn't use Arimahex and Letrone the same time, since they're both AI's and you didn't have high E2 issues iirc.
 
sorry, I meant if progesterone is high, I’ve read that finasteride competes with the same receptor I.e finasteride blocks the conversion of progesterone?
 
Also my Rebirth, Viron & Letrone stack have arrived today, I will be doing a log of the results but will start once I’ve seen my endo in 2 weeks time just in case he gives me something else as I know he’ll be running bloods on me again. Watch this space!
 
skyline999 said:
Any brands you’d recommend?

with rebirth should I take 2 a day and 1 Viron to begin with see how I feel and maybe use a Letrone but how would I know what I need Letrone?
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1 Letrone a day most likely would not get your estrogen too low. So I would do 1 a day at least if you are going to run Viron and Rebirth. I would take rebirth, 1 in morning, and 1 before bed. Viron, dose 1 cap morning one day, and the next take 2, and compare how you feel. A lot of guys feel an acute effect from Viron, as well as a cumulative.
 
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