Kickstart HPTA

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Hi guys,

Looking to kickstart HPTA and was wondering if I should run some Rebirth with Viron or Rebirth with Viron and Letrone?

Not done any cycles but was on finasteride which increased my libido and then it tanked with high prolactin and I feel as though in an estrogen bound state with tender Breasts and ED. Similar to what you body builders face when injecting/ingesting Test.

Could the above help?
 
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Hi guys,

Looking to kickstart HPTA and was wondering if I should run some Rebirth with Viron or Rebirth with Viron and Letrone?

Not done any cycles but was on finasteride which increased my libido and then it tanked with high prolactin and I feel as though in an estrogen bound state with tender Breasts and ED. Similar to what you body builders face when injecting/ingesting Test.

Could the above help?
I'd definitely get bloodwork.
 
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Thank. I’ve had blood work, elevated prolactin and elevated progesterone. Everything else within reference range.
If you just have elevated prolactin, give Prolactrone a try. If you want a libido and free test boost, add Viron. RYAN15 will get you a discount on the BLR website.
 
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Thank. I’ve had blood work, elevated prolactin and elevated progesterone. Everything else within reference range.
Free Test and Total Test are normal?

You could try something like Inhibit-P.

What did the Dr say (or was it Dr Prescribed)?
 

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Free Test and Total Test are normal?

You could try something like Inhibit-P.

What did the Dr say (or was it Dr Prescribed)?
Free test and total test normal. I wake up with testicle pain with minimal morning wood. Dr prescribed cabergoline to keep the prolactin down, I’ve not been given anything for progesterone, he said he’s not too bothered about progesterone but I’ve seen posts saying elevated progesterone can have an effect so was wondering to give Rebirth and Viron a go like a “pct”.
Any thoughts ?
 
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Free test and total test normal. I wake up with testicle pain with minimal morning wood. Dr prescribed cabergoline to keep the prolactin down, I’ve not been given anything for progesterone, he said he’s not too bothered about progesterone but I’ve seen posts saying elevated progesterone can have an effect so was wondering to give Rebirth and Viron a go like a “pct”.
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You could try it.
It shouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not totally convinced it'll help.

Hopefully Time (with Caber in the meantime) will straighten you back out.
 
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You could try it.
It shouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not totally convinced it'll help.

Hopefully Time (with Caber in the meantime) will straighten you back out.
Caber should of dropped his prolactin immediately. What it sounds like to me is his body does not have as much 5 alpha reductase as he did prior to finasteride. Sounds like low DHT levels now, compared to prior to finasteride. Raising test, and slightly lowering estrogen might provide a little more free test. But time will overall be the answer.
 
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Caber should of dropped his prolactin immediately. What it sounds like to me is his body does not have as much 5 alpha reductase as he did prior to finasteride. Sounds like low DHT levels now, compared to prior to finasteride. Raising test, and slightly lowering estrogen might provide a little more free test. But time will overall be the answer.
Could be!

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Thank you. I’m going to have a DHT test done so will let you guys know what the outcome is.


I think you’re right....


Caber should of dropped his prolactin immediately. What it sounds like to me is his body does not have as much 5 alpha reductase as he did prior to finasteride. Sounds like low DHT levels now, compared to prior to finasteride. Raising test, and slightly lowering estrogen might provide a little more free test. But time will overall be the answer.
What would be the best way to tackle this? What drugs should I ask my endo for?
 
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I would suggest taking supplements/herbs that are touted to naturally raise DHT. You don't want to take anything suppressive right now.
 
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Any recommendation ?
Increasing testosterone overall is one way. Viron and Rebirth would be good. Creatine Monohydrate is speculated to increase DHT. Make sure you have sufficient zinc and d3 in diet. Pine Pollen. Butea Superba Root extract.
 

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Thank you.

Rebirth
Viron
Letrone

All on the way.

How should I stack? Is the below ok?

Rebirth 2 caps daily (am & pm?)
Viron 1 cap daily
Letrone 1 cap daily?
 

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I would suggest taking supplements/herbs that are touted to naturally raise DHT. You don't want to take anything suppressive right now.
Outside of proviron or other anabolics what otc product would you recommend to raise dht?
 

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I would suggest taking supplements/herbs that are touted to naturally raise DHT. You don't want to take anything suppressive right now.
Outside of proviron or other anabolics what otc product would you recommend to raise dht?
 
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Thank you.

Rebirth
Viron
Letrone

All on the way.

How should I stack? Is the below ok?

Rebirth 2 caps daily (am & pm?)
Viron 1 cap daily
Letrone 1 cap daily?
I would do 2 Viron. But the other dosing schedules look good.
 

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Thanks guys. Butea has been on my radar. Think I'll order some up.
 
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Outside of proviron or other anabolics what otc product would you recommend to raise dht?
Arimahex possibly:

"Baylor University conducted an eight-week study to determine the effects of 300 mg or 600 mg of 4-AT in resistance-trained males. Compared to baseline, free testosterone increased by 90% for 300 mg group and 84% for 600 mg group, respectively. Also dihydrotestosterone and the ratio of free testosterone to estradiol increased significantly."

 

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Is

this otc or prescription?
Otc. Apex has it in topical gel. It's out of stock right now. Apex just had a full collection wide sale yesterday.



These guys can help you with questions regarding restock or about the product @nostrum420 @Renew1 @xR1pp3Rx
 
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Otc. Apex has it in topical gel. It's out of stock right now. Apex just had a full collection wide sale yesterday.



These guys can help you with questions regarding restock or about the product @nostrum420 @Renew1 @xR1pp3Rx
Question, is it suppressive or non suppressive?
 
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Question, is it suppressive or non suppressive?
technically its not suppressive in terms of how many of the forum members throw that term around.. however, you are taking something that can have a profound effect on the endo system therefore its best not to run this too long. i suggest 8 weeks max before a break.

this will make arimastane look and feel like childs play.
 
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It is the opposite of suppressive:

Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p < 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p < 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively.

 

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Thank you.
Does anyone know, does the 5 alpha reductase enzyme compete for progesterone receptor?
 

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sorry, I meant if progesterone is high, I’ve read that finasteride competes with the same receptor I.e finasteride blocks the conversion of progesterone?
 

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Also my Rebirth, Viron & Letrone stack have arrived today, I will be doing a log of the results but will start once I’ve seen my endo in 2 weeks time just in case he gives me something else as I know he’ll be running bloods on me again. Watch this space!
 

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Could be the brands you tried in the past were rancid.
Any brands you’d recommend?

with rebirth should I take 2 a day and 1 Viron to begin with see how I feel and maybe use a Letrone but how would I know what I need Letrone?
 
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Any brands you’d recommend?

with rebirth should I take 2 a day and 1 Viron to begin with see how I feel and maybe use a Letrone but how would I know what I need Letrone?
1 Letrone a day most likely would not get your estrogen too low. So I would do 1 a day at least if you are going to run Viron and Rebirth. I would take rebirth, 1 in morning, and 1 before bed. Viron, dose 1 cap morning one day, and the next take 2, and compare how you feel. A lot of guys feel an acute effect from Viron, as well as a cumulative.
 
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Any brands you’d recommend?

with rebirth should I take 2 a day and 1 Viron to begin with see how I feel and maybe use a Letrone but how would I know what I need Letrone?
Also, I like Vitacost brand Cod Liver Oil.
 

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