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**JustDidIt's Lean Bulk with CEL M-Drol Pulse**

Diet...

FAMOUSX1 said:
Can we get a look at what your daily diet consists of please. I'd like to see about how much carbs and cals you are taking in. And from what foods. TY
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I’ll have to get back to you on this. I know I’m taking in a lot of calories/protein/carb, but the ratio is beyond me. I would like to think somewhere around 45-30-25 but I’m now sure.
 
Thorough preparation...

bigzach1234 said:
JustDidIt said:
Support Supps:
Nutrilite Double X - taken with bfast
Nutrilite Ocean Essentials Omega-3 - taken at bfast and dinner
NOW foods Red Omega - taken at bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Taurine (2000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Pantothenic Acid B5 (1000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Organic Flaxseed Oil (2000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas EPA-DHA Balance (630mg) - taken with each dose of Mdrol
Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Support - dosing 4 capsules (8 total) at bfast and dinner


Sides: none to speak about. I think I've seen a total of 2 pimples and those were probably just infected hairs. Infact the only side effect I've had is weight gain. NONE of the following:
* Decreased Libido/Sexual Function - In fact may have had a increase in libido
* Lethargy / Fatigue - None to speak of.
* Increased hair growth / Increased hair shedding - Hair health is pretty normal.
* Puffy / Sensitive Nipples - I keep checking but nothing yet.
* Joint Discomfort - nope
* Back Pumps (Dull pain in back after/during workouts) - no dull pain but definitely sore after lifting (not a side effect of SD)
* Increased aggression, head aches, flushing and various other sides can happen as well. - Maybe a little more aggression, but who wouldn't when your lifting more in the gym and you've gained the weight of a small baby!
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i wish people would take note of how your running your cycle in terms of how well you have your support supps in line... this is a huge reason that your really not getting any sides to speak of.. you have just about everything and more.. i bet if you got blood work after it would look pretty good ... you also invested alot into your pct.. which you dont see alot of people around here doing..
also the weight you put on with superdrol is always alot of water and glycogen.. youll lose it in pct and keep alot of muscle... also i feel like with recomps like this you gain alot of muscle density and maturity..
good luck man.. keep up the good work
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Thanks! The only supplementation I would maybe add would be more Amino’s into my diet. Preferably liquid form.
The following list is something I found online.

Amino acids may be helpful when used in connection with the following conditions:
• Alcohol withdrawal (DLPA, glutamine, tyrosine)
• Alzheimer's disease (acetyl-L-carnitine, tyrosine)
• Angina (arginine, carnitine)
• Athletic support (BCAA, carnitine, creatine, isoleucine, leucine, ornithine, ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate, valine, whey protein)
• Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (alanine, glutamic acid, glycine)
• Bronchitis (cysteine, N-acetyl cysteine)
• Cancer risk reduction (soy)
• Chemotherapy support (cysteine, N-acetyl cysteine)
• Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (carnitine)
• Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (cysteine, N-acetyl cysteine)
• Congestive Heart Failure (arginine, carnitine, taurine)
• Depression (DLPA, L-phenylalanine, tyrosine)
• Diabetes (carnitine, taurine)
• Emphysema (cysteine, N-acetyl cysteine)
• Epilepsy (taurine)
• Hepatitis (thymus proteins)
• Herpes simplex (lysine)
• High blood pressure (taurine)
• High cholesterol (carnitine, soy)
• High triglycerides (carnitine)
• HIV support (cysteine, glutamine, N-acetyl cysteine)
• Hormone replacement therapy (soy)
• Infertility (male) (arginine, carnitine)
• Intermittent claudication (carnitine)
• Liver support (methionine, taurine)
• Menopause (soy)
• Osteoarthritis (DLPA)
• Pain (DLPA)
• Parkinson's Disease (L-phenylalanine)
• Peptic ulcer (glutamine)
• Phenylketonuria (leucine, tyrosine)
• Postsurgery recovery (BCAAs, creatine)
• Rheumatoid Arthritis (DLPA, histidine)
• Ulcerative Colitis (glutamine)
• Vitiligo (L-phenylalanine)
• Wound Healing (ornithine, ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate)
 
THX!

liv2grow said:
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SOUTHCAR27 said:
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Thanks for following...any suggestions or ideas, please feel free to throw them out here...

Tagio said:
when i pulsed m-drol, i seemed to gain some stomach fat on cycle, but during pct it went away and i ended up as lean or leaner than when i started, while still heavier and stronger.
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Good to know, I’m really looking forward not only to the next 3 weeks to see what the cycle produces but even beyond. More of what I look like in around 7 weeks after I finish up my PCT.
 
Week 4 Review

still here...
Week 4 Day 28

I upped the Dosing:...hopefully this is beneficial yet still keeping the sides at a minimal... - we'll see!
Monday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Wednesday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Friday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)

Support Supps:
Nutrilite Double X - taken with bfast
NOW foods Red Omega - taken at bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Taurine upped(4000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Pantothenic Acid B5 (1000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Organic Flaxseed Oil (2000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas EPA-DHA Balance (630mg) - taken with each dose of Mdrol
Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Support - dosing 4 capsules (8 total) at bfast and dinner


Sides: nipple was a bit tingly, but then my GF stopped biting it. HAha..j/k...ya still no sides except my libido is probably a bit higher than the norm.
Strength: steadily increasing...
Overall: Weight: 211.3lbs (+10.1lbs) speaks for itself...no shutdown yet.
 
Just because your nuts aren't small doesn't mean your not shut down. You would need blood work to tell. You better do a PCT when your done regardless.
 
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FAMOUSX1 said:
Bump on your diet.
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So definitely not saying this is everyday but pretty close.

Today I ate
6am- breakfast
1 cup oat meal
? cup of 1% milk
2-3 tbl spoons of PeanutButter
1 scoop Protein powder
mixed fruit - bananas/raspberries/blueberries
couple glasses of 1% Milk to wash it down

9am - Snack
Weight Gainer shake
Cliff bar/ or Banana and PeanutButter

12p - Lunch
1/2 chicken roasted in lemon pepper
greek salad
couple glasses of 1% Milk to wash it down

3p - Snack
Weight Gainer shake
Cliff bar

7p - Dinner
4 fish tacos
couple glasses of 1% Milk to wash it down

PM - Snack
1 cup oat meal
? cup of 1% milk
2-3 tbl spoons of PeanutButter
1 scoop Protein powder
mixed fruit - bananas/raspberries/blueberries
couple glasses of 1% Milk to wash it down

pretty much sums it up...really pretty sloppy.
 
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i'm anticipating your PCT and after that to see if gains are easier to hold onto. Should be, right?

And how are you feeling in the gym? You got that alpha feeling or what?

EDIT: If i were to run the same cycle, would it be 6 weeks on+ PCT= Weeks off? Just wonderin
 
Definately subbed.
That weight gainer has way too much fat and salt to be used in a clean bulk cycle.
Yeah, mdrol will be wet for the first few weeks, but it seems to dry up. Check this article out..its about salt bloating, etc

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Pay attention to normal, everyday processed foods - peanut butter, any sauce, anything that isn't raw.. We use WAAYY too much salt in our country. Start reading the nutritional facts and see for yourself.
 
Agreed...

younganabolic said:
Definately subbed.
That weight gainer has way too much fat and salt to be used in a clean bulk cycle.
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Thanks for checkin out the log.
Ya, your probably right about the gainer...But it definitely works for bulking...period!

younganabolic said:
Yeah, mdrol will be wet for the first few weeks, but it seems to dry up. Check this article out..its about salt bloating, etc

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Pay attention to normal, everyday processed foods - peanut butter, any sauce, anything that isn't raw.. We use WAAYY too much salt in our country. Start reading the nutritional facts and see for yourself.
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...really good info/advise.
 
rsr08 said:
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And how are you feeling in the gym? You got that alpha feeling or what?
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Thanks for following along.

As far as the "Alpha feeling"...I couldn't have said it any better. Hit two PRs today:

Overhead Press: prior to this cycle, 245lbs (while on ACL's Tren Xtreme) ... now 255lbs
Leg Press: prior to this cycle, 720lbs (while on ACL's Tren Xtreme) ... now 900lbs ...although I didn't mention it before because I don't consider it a major lift, a new PR non the less.

rsr08 said:
i'm anticipating your PCT and after that to see if gains are easier to hold onto. Should be, right?
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That was the idea for pulsing, but regardless, if I keep half of what I gain off this pulse I'll be EXTREMELY happy with this cycle.

rsr08 said:
If i were to run the same cycle, would it be 6 weeks on+ PCT= Weeks off? Just wonderin
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As good advice goes, YES, no matter what your taking, what dose or how long... TIME ON (including PCT) = TIME OFF is always a good standard to live by in the anabolic world.
 
I was thinkin of pulsing too, but only for the idea of being able to keep my gains very easily. If you lose your gains, I might just say screw the pulsing. I really can't wait for your PCT and after. I'll be keeping my eye out on it. Goodluck brah
 
pulsing...

rsr08 said:
I was thinkin of pulsing too, but only for the idea of being able to keep my gains very easily. If you lose your gains, I might just say screw the pulsing. I really can't wait for your PCT and after. I'll be keeping my eye out on it. Goodluck brah
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I really had 2 goals in mind when I was contemplating running a Superdrol clone. First, knowing its potential side-effects, I decided to pulse. Second, in hope that pulsing would let the gains come more slowly allowing me to keep more of them. I really didn't expect to hit 10-12lbs until around the 6th week. If I can keep 7-8lbs I'll be happy.
 
Now that I think about it though, it really depends what my BF% is when I'm done. Then I'll decide what I should keep and not worry about losing.
 
quick question, how do you feel right now? You feel shutdown or anything at all?
 
I dont mean to steal mate. Im running the same kind of cycle. Mine is 3epi/1mdrol mwf
Epi was increased throughout the weeks.
My sex drive is doing great! lethargy is a minimal. I can feel a little bit of an increase in blood pressure though. I take pct on tues thurs sat sun. Pulsing is probably the best way to do things.
 
madds87 said:
I dont mean to steal mate. Im running the same kind of cycle. Mine is 3epi/1mdrol mwf
Epi was increased throughout the weeks.
My sex drive is doing great! lethargy is a minimal. I can feel a little bit of an increase in blood pressure though. I take pct on tues thurs sat sun. Pulsing is probably the best way to do things.
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How many weeks you run it for, how many bottles did you use, and how were your gains???

And you pulsed your PCT as well?
 
rsr08 said:
How many weeks you run it for, how many bottles did you use, and how were your gains???

And you pulsed your PCT as well?
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Well epi i love taken i took the epi like this

week1:mw10 f20
week2: 30 mwf
week3: 30 mwf
week4: 30 mwf 10 mdrol on f
week5: 30 epi 10 mdrol mwf
week6: 30 epi 10 mdrol mwf

Gains have been solid, slow, sides have been very mild. And my body does not like superdrol. Im on 6th week now and i noticed that my blood pressure is going up so im figure 6 wks is long enough. I have had no shutdown and maybe even more sex drive. Lethargy is not terrible but i just sleep a little more than usual. maybe an hour or two more. Yeah pulsing i do on pct.

I have ran epi in the past and pulsed it. I did not even have to run a pct. I know some people are going to say diff. But i know my body. I owuld not recommend for everyone. unless you know how you react to products. If i feel any shutdown which is rare i use test evol. Works great! But feel free to pm me if you have any questions ill try to mention everything. I tend to forget to mention everything.
 
rsr08 said:
quick question, how do you feel right now? You feel shutdown or anything at all?
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As of this week, week 4, I felt the same as week 3 even though I bumped the dose up to 30mg M,W,F (split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)

JustDidIt said:
...week 3...
Sides: none to speak about. I think I've seen a total of 2 pimples and those were probably just infected hairs. Infact the only side effect I've had is weight gain. NONE of the following:
* Decreased Libido/Sexual Function - In fact may have had a increase in libido
* Lethargy / Fatigue - None to speak of.
* Increased hair growth / Increased hair shedding - Hair health is pretty normal.
* Puffy / Sensitive Nipples - I keep checking but nothing yet.
* Joint Discomfort - nope
* Back Pumps (Dull pain in back after/during workouts) - no dull pain but definitely sore after lifting (not a side effect of SD)
* Increased aggression, head aches, flushing and various other sides can happen as well. - Maybe a little more aggression, but who wouldn't when your lifting more in the gym and you've gained the weight of a small baby!
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madds87 said:
I dont mean to steal mate. Im running the same kind of cycle. Mine is 3epi/1mdrol mwf
Epi was increased throughout the weeks.
My sex drive is doing great! lethargy is a minimal. I can feel a little bit of an increase in blood pressure though. I take pct on tues thurs sat sun. Pulsing is probably the best way to do things.
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nice double post...

I agree that for harsher componds (SD) pulsing is a great option. I don't have much experience with any of the Epi-like products (E-Stane/Havoc/Epidrol/Methyl-E/Epi-MAX/Epithin-E/Hemaguno/Oxodrol Pro/E-Pol(kinda of an Epi clone)/Methylstane...etc BUT, it seems that with its half life it would be a good pulse to get lean on.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Just so everyone knows E-Pol by Purus is NOT an Epi clone in anyway.
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...? not epi, super, and a progestin?

Purus Labs E-Pol
Epithiopropional Proprietary Matrix 40mg *
(Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione, 2a, 17a-Dimethyl-5-Androst-3-One, 2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholanol)

Epistane~Epithio (2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallocholan-17b-ol)
Superdrol~Methasteron (2a,17a-di-methyl-etiochollan-3-one, 17b-ol)
Fineplex~( Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione )

...i've been wrong before but...
 
JustDidIt said:
In your opinion, what would "shut down" entail?



I'm taking it you haven't read my entire log?
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A hormone imbalance. Excess estrogen etc. Only blood work can actual say if your shut down. Alot of times you may not feel the side effects of a shut down which usually means your not severly shut down which alot of young bucks take it to mean on can go back on cycle very soon which of course they shouldn't do. Good log.
 
It might have had epi in the past but most recently it WAS 15mg of Superdrol and 30mg of tren. I just checked the Epol question thread in the Purus subforum.

I think 3 compound single pill stacks are crazy but I might have some original Decabolen lol yes I WAS that dumb to buy it.
 
angelo212 said:
A hormone imbalance. Excess estrogen etc. Only blood work can actual say if your shut down. Alot of times you may not feel the side effects of a shut down which usually means your not severly shut down which alot of young bucks take it to mean on can go back on cycle very soon which of course they shouldn't do. Good log.
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I'm trying to decide whether or not I should do my bloodwork after my PCT or after my last M-drol dose.... whatcha think?
 
Tomahawk88 said:
It might have had epi in the past but most recently it WAS 15mg of Superdrol and 30mg of tren. I just checked the Epol question thread in the Purus subforum.

I think 3 compound single pill stacks are crazy but I might have some original Decabolen lol yes I WAS that dumb to buy it.
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OH shista...your right...didn't notice the batch difference,

Batch: somewhere before April 2008
60 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1Capsule
Servings Per Container60

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Epithiopropional Proprietary Matrix 40mg *
(Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione, 2a, 17a-Dimethyl-5-Androst-3-One, 2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholanol)

Liver Shield Proprietary Blend 175mg *

and

Batch: somewhere after April 2008
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androstane-3-one-17b-ol 15 mg **
Estra-4, 9-diene-3,17-dione 30 mg **

InSLINsified Proprietary Insulin Mimetic 250.5 mg **
Fenugreek seed (Trigonella Foenum-Graecum)(seed) **
ALA (Alpha Lipois Acid) **
Cinnamon bark extract (Cinnamonum Verum) **
Chromium Picolinate **
 
Idealy bloodwork at both points would be nice, but thats up to you. Dont worry if your not looking leaner or even a little fatter, Im pretty sure its the excess glycogen that your body cant store anymore in the muscles thats being stored in the adipose. Im thinking once you come off the Mdrol, the new muscle you developed will lean you out rather quickly. I think each additional 1lb of muscle gained requires an extra 20 or so calories every hour, so your true results should show after pct.
 
JustDidIt said:
nice double post...

I agree that for harsher componds (SD) pulsing is a great option. I don't have much experience with any of the Epi-like products (E-Stane/Havoc/Epidrol/Methyl-E/Epi-MAX/Epithin-E/Hemaguno/Oxodrol Pro/E-Pol(kinda of an Epi clone)/Methylstane...etc BUT, it seems that with its half life it would be a good pulse to get lean on.
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Lol yeah sorry about the double post.... My work computer frezzes sometimes and it does that.

What you think about the new pp superdrol product? i just bought quite a few. I think it would be alot easier to use the product and dose it at 5 mgs if i wanted too.
 
madds87 said:
Lol yeah sorry about the double post.... My work computer frezzes sometimes and it does that.

What you think about the new pp superdrol product? i just bought quite a few. I think it would be alot easier to use the product and dose it at 5 mgs if i wanted too.
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True, technically you could dose this just about whatever mg you wanted.

The only thing that makes me wonder is how well this stuff holds up in suspension. Or rather could it settle AT ALL allowing for the dosing to be not accurate. The idea behind a pill is that no matter what part of the bottle you got it from, it has the same mg of ingredients in every capsule. How do we know that you get (98% 2a, 17 a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol) in every 1cc dose especially when there is other ingredients like: Distilled water, sorbitan monolaurate, exthoxylated sorbitan trioleate, ethoxylated mono and di-glycerides, medium chain triglycerides, sesame oil, grape spirits, dimethyl isosorbide, phospholipid complex (phosphatidylcholine, lysophosphatidylcholine), ethyl oleate, glyceryl triacetate, tocopheryl acetate, hydroxyproply methylcellulose], juice extract from black carrot and hibiscus, sweet cherry powder, malt syrup, natural cherry flavor, malic acid, sucralose, trisodium citrate, simethicone, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, citric acid, sucrose...


..not saying this is the case for this new:

Primordial Performance Superdrone-LV!
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1cc (1mL oral syringe)
Servings per container: 125
Superdrone 10mg**
(98% 2a, 17 a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol)


...just wondering...
 
JustDidIt said:
I'm trying to decide whether or not I should do my bloodwork after my PCT or after my last M-drol dose.... whatcha think?
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I agree with the others. After PCT. It would be nice to see your test levels while on cycle though. You could buy one of those testosterone test kits for $30 that the supplement places sell but I'm not sure how reliable they are. I think there a saliva test.
 
Week 5 Review

Week 5 Day 35

Weight: 214.2lbs (+13lbs)

Dosing:
Monday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Wednesday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Friday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)

Support Supps:
Nutrilite Double X - taken with bfast
NOW foods Red Omega - taken at bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Taurine upped(4000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Pantothenic Acid B5 (1000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Organic Flaxseed Oil (2000mg) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas EPA-DHA Balance upped((1890mg) - taken with each dose of Mdrol
Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Support - dosing 4 capsules (8 total) at bfast and dinner


Sides: other than feelin thick...no sides...None!
Strength: Not only is my strength steadily increasing I really feel like my endurance is making strides as well.
Overall: No doubt this Superdrol Clone is good at puttin on weight, I am not as impressed with my strength gains. I felt like my strength increased more while on TREN Xtreme by ACL, however, the mass that I have put on while doing this M-Drol pulse beats both times I ran the PheraPlex clone, MASS Xtreme by ACL.
 
some interesting reading I found here:

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by: Leigh Peele

...shortend a bit...
Daily Changes

We talked about what you can’t change. Here are the things that can change. On a day in and day out basis, dieting down or not, eating in a surplus or not, these things are going to change and are affected by your activity.

Food Weight

The weight of an item you eat is going to change the weight you are. This may seem like a “duh” but I can name many moments where I had someone weight themselves after they ate, and were heavier, and freaked out.

The food you eat, has weight. The fluid you drink, has weight.

Exercise: Grab a full gallon of water and go stand on the scale with it and then without it. I rest my case.

Water Retention

Retention: To hold on to, to hold back within.

Retention comes in all forms and reasons. From hormonal to glycogen storage, you can retain water in various places on the body, in large amounts, and for extended periods of time. I am going to cover the main causes of retention and how they occur.

1. Edema

There are many causes and sublevels of edema. Edema is classified mainly as swelling from an accumulation of watery fluid in cells, tissues, or serous cavities. This can range from mild to severe and the reasoning behind it varies. Anything from electrolyte imbalances, kidney problems, allergies, injury, and exercise can contribute on mild to severe levels.

If you have sock rings, swollen calves, or a puffy face, technically these are forms of edema on small levels. If you live with this constanlyt then you are likely dealing with issues of electrolyte balance in the body and need to focus on maintaining a better state of that, as much as you can as it is impossible to control, but possible to manage.

What to do?

  • Make sure to stay properly hydrated.
  • Make sure you are getting enough of your sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, and zinc.
  • Make sure you are getting proper rest and time off from training.
  • Make sure you are focusing on taking care of your joints and muscles.

2. Glycogen Retention

Muscle holds a massive amount of water. A lot of times people accuse diets of being “muscle eaters” but this isn’t usually the case. Usually they are muscle drinkers because one of the first things to go when you begin dieting down is the water stored in your muscles, especially if taking part in an extreme diet or one that is very low in carbs (even if higher in calories).

The reason that carbs are so important is because glycogen storage is pulled mainly from carbohydrate intake. Though a small amount can be taken from protein, it is never on a large enough level to maintain adequate or noticeable glycogen retention. That “plump” look you are going after with your muscles, to have them be filled and defined, is from storage of glycogen in the muscles. However, if you are not lean enough to see this definition pronounced, all you are going to really notice is that you fat looks fuller on the days you eat carbs.

This is a big reason why carbs get the witch hunt. It isn’t the glycogen’s fault, it’s your fatness. Lose the fat and learn to love what the carbs can do for you.

What to do? Put the carbs to work by pulling them into the muscles by lifting and training the body. Go for “plump” not “bloated.” Keeping a lower body fat level also helps with partitioning in general.

3. Hormonal/Stress

This applies to men or women, but I will say that women are going to be affected more by this on larger levels. Stress and hormonal imbalances or just general readjustments in the cycle system lead towards heavy (I do mean heavy) fluctuation in your water balance.

Stress is included in this as the triggers are very close and affect hormonal behavior. For example, if you are stressed out, crying, and can’t sleep, you are going to look and feel very much the same as you do on your period no? This is not to be confused with the crying and puffiness that actually happens around your period time either. Women are notorious for carrying their emotions on their sleeve and in most cases it’s underneath it as well.

What to do? Calm the f*%k down. There are some hormones and issues you can’t control. For the ones you can, take care of yourself and your body will take care of you.
 
JustDidIt said:
nice double post...

I agree that for harsher componds (SD) pulsing is a great option. I don't have much experience with any of the Epi-like products (E-Stane/Havoc/Epidrol/Methyl-E/Epi-MAX/Epithin-E/Hemaguno/Oxodrol Pro/E-Pol(kinda of an Epi clone)/Methylstane...etc BUT, it seems that with its half life it would be a good pulse to get lean on.
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Justdidit,

I love the idea of your pulse cycle with M-drol eod for 6 weeks. After you trying out Tren xtreme and your experience with m-drol so far, what would your thoughts be on doing the same cycle, but adding in Tren Xtreme for 6 weeks aswell, but with no pulse. Like this, but im not including support supps & PCT. Im considering this today for me in the spring time, after reading your log. BTW ive kept up with your last log (tren, ah89, mma-3). You think this would be overkill or genius? Thanks dude.

Wk 1-6 M-drol EOD 10-20mg
Wk 1-6 Tren Xtreme 60-90 maybe 120mg last couple weeks being that i have experience with tren.
 
Jshepherd23 said:
Justdidit,

I love the idea of your pulse cycle with M-drol eod for 6 weeks. After you trying out Tren xtreme and your experience with m-drol so far, what would your thoughts be on doing the same cycle, but adding in Tren Xtreme for 6 weeks aswell, but with no pulse. Like this, but im not including support supps & PCT. Im considering this today for me in the spring time, after reading your log. BTW ive kept up with your last log (tren, ah89, mma-3). You think this would be overkill or genius? Thanks dude.

Wk 1-6 M-drol EOD 10-20mg
Wk 1-6 Tren Xtreme 60-90 maybe 120mg last couple weeks being that i have experience with tren.
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I'm not speaking on behalf of Justdidit, but i have some input:

If you ran another steroid ED or EOD w/ a superdrol pulse, you defeat the purpose of pulsing. You pulse to make gains and keep em easier during and after PCT, reduce and mitigate sides and shutdown. If you ran tren ED or EOD w/ a superdrol pulse, you're technically shutting yourself down more and well, stacking two compounds in a sense. Now I know there's the idea that you won't be shutdown as much as if you ran an ED dose of both compounds, but I just think it defeats the purpose of pulsing.

Again I'm not saying this is all fact, it's all my opinion. I too thought about pulsing superdrol w/ an ED dose of another steroid, but the more I look into it, the more it makes sense to just drop the pulse and run it ED.

Your input Justdidit?
 
rsr08 said:
I'm not speaking on behalf of Justdidit, but i have some input:

If you ran another steroid ED or EOD w/ a superdrol pulse, you defeat the purpose of pulsing. You pulse to make gains and keep em easier during and after PCT, reduce and mitigate sides and shutdown. If you ran tren ED or EOD w/ a superdrol pulse, you're technically shutting yourself down more and well, stacking two compounds in a sense. Now I know there's the idea that you won't be shutdown as much as if you ran an ED dose of both compounds, but I just think it defeats the purpose of pulsing.

Again I'm not saying this is all fact, it's all my opinion. I too thought about pulsing superdrol w/ an ED dose of another steroid, but the more I look into it, the more it makes sense to just drop the pulse and run it ED.

Your input Justdidit?
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rsr08 said:
I'm not speaking on behalf of Justdidit, but i have some input:

If you ran another steroid ED or EOD w/ a superdrol pulse, you defeat the purpose of pulsing. You pulse to make gains and keep em easier during and after PCT, reduce and mitigate sides and shutdown. If you ran tren ED or EOD w/ a superdrol pulse, you're technically shutting yourself down more and well, stacking two compounds in a sense. Now I know there's the idea that you won't be shutdown as much as if you ran an ED dose of both compounds, but I just think it defeats the purpose of pulsing.

Again I'm not saying this is all fact, it's all my opinion. I too thought about pulsing superdrol w/ an ED dose of another steroid, but the more I look into it, the more it makes sense to just drop the pulse and run it ED.

Your input Justdidit?
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I def agree with you that adding tren to the m-drol pulse would defeat the idea of an m-drol cycle with minimal sides/shutdown and more maintainable gains. My point really is that I barely experienced any real shutdown with a 6 week cycle of tren, and my curiosity of a 6 week m-drol pulse cycle with potentially less sides and more maintainable gains than lets say a 3-4 week no pulse cycle, could be more preferable & less supressive way of stacking it rather than a 6 week tren/ 3-4 wk m-drol. Regardless, i know its going to be supressive being that were talking about stacking 2 of the strongests ph/ps in their class, but its just my theory which may be wrong(im no scientist).
 
Jshepherd23 said:
I def agree with you that adding tren to the m-drol pulse would defeat the idea of an m-drol cycle with minimal sides/shutdown and more maintainable gains. My point really is that I barely experienced any real shutdown with a 6 week cycle of tren, and my curiosity of a 6 week m-drol pulse cycle with potentially less sides and more maintainable gains than lets say a 3-4 week no pulse cycle, could be more preferable & less supressive way of stacking it rather than a 6 week tren/ 3-4 wk m-drol. Regardless, i know its going to be supressive being that were talking about stacking 2 of the strongests ph/ps in their class, but its just my theory which may be wrong(im no scientist).
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Oh well in that case I see what you're trying to say.
Honestly, I would like to see this done. I don't see any problem really. Thing I realize is that ppl are different in terms of getting shut down and recovering quickly. If you didn't experience any real shutdown of a 6 week cycle of Tren, then maybe pulsing SD would be a nice cycle. Now I haven't researched Tren enough since the ban so I don't know the proper cycle length, but "stacking" the two w/ a pulse of SD would be a pretty sweet deal. Have you ever ran SD before?
 
rsr08 said:
Oh well in that case I see what you're trying to say.
Honestly, I would like to see this done. I don't see any problem really. Thing I realize is that ppl are different in terms of getting shut down and recovering quickly. If you didn't experience any real shutdown of a 6 week cycle of Tren, then maybe pulsing SD would be a nice cycle. Now I haven't researched Tren enough since the ban so I don't know the proper cycle length, but "stacking" the two w/ a pulse of SD would be a pretty sweet deal. Have you ever ran SD before?
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Tren kicks in at weeks 3-4 and slows down weeks 5-6. So 6 weeks is really the sweet spot. Anything after 6 weeks and/or over 120mg is pretty risky for sides, even though justdidit ran it for 8 weeks with good results.

I have not ran sdrol before...ive read that its only proper to run it by itself first to see how you react to it. Tren, bold, and epi are the only compounds ive ran before. My original thought was to run tren and hmg(epi), but after reading this thread, m-drol would be much better for mass gains if this could be a safe and more effective way of dosing it. Im also kinda thinking that this next cycle might be just be my last time using oral ph/ps, so why not do the best of the best as long as im not screwing my body up. Have you ran sdrol? Im curious to know how the sides have been lately for justdidit.
 
Week 6 review...

Week 6 Day 42

Weight: 216.9lbs (+15.7lbs) ...total weight gain before PCT

Dosing:
Monday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Wednesday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Friday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)

Support Supps:
Nutrilite Double X - taken with bfast
NOW foods Red Omega - taken at bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Taurine upped (6000mg) - split w/ bfast (2000mg) and dinner (4000mg)
Jarrow Formulas Pantothenic Acid B5 (1000mg) - split w/ bfast (500mg)and dinner (500mg)
Jarrow Formulas Organic Flaxseed Oil (2000mg) - split w/ bfast (1000mg) and dinner (1000mg)
Jarrow Formulas EPA-DHA Balance upped(2520mg) - taken with each dose of Mdrol (630mg each dose of Mdrol) and bfast (630mg) and dinner(630mg)
Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Support - dosing 4 capsules (8 total) at bfast and dinner


Sides, Strength, Overall...I'll go over these with my final review
 
I'll also try and answer some of these questions...soon. I've been really busy with work and school.

I plan on posting before and after pictures.
I also plan on posting before and after blood tests AFTER I finish my PCT.
 
JustDidIt said:
Week 6 Day 42

Weight: 216.9lbs (+15.7lbs) ...total weight gain before PCT

Dosing:
Monday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Wednesday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)
Friday - 30mg(split 20mg pre & 10mg postworkout)

Support Supps:
Nutrilite Double X - taken with bfast
NOW foods Red Omega - taken at bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) - split w/ bfast and dinner
Jarrow Formulas Taurine upped (6000mg) - split w/ bfast (2000mg) and dinner (4000mg)
Jarrow Formulas Pantothenic Acid B5 (1000mg) - split w/ bfast (500mg)and dinner (500mg)
Jarrow Formulas Organic Flaxseed Oil (2000mg) - split w/ bfast (1000mg) and dinner (1000mg)
Jarrow Formulas EPA-DHA Balance upped(2520mg) - taken with each dose of Mdrol (630mg each dose of Mdrol) and bfast (630mg) and dinner(630mg)
Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Support - dosing 4 capsules (8 total) at bfast and dinner


Sides, Strength, Overall...I'll go over these with my final review
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Good luck holdin on in PCT. Sounds like it was well worth it.
 
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