R3ACTION
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Thanks for clearing that up.
JOSIAH MCQUILLIN GAINS OVER 10 LB. PURE MUSCLE IN 4 WEEKS ON PNI!
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Thanks for clearing that up.
EBroser
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You are quite welcome. Since some people apparently have trouble with reading comprehension and go off on meaningless tangents that have nothing to do with the point of the original post I felt it my duty to keep things on track. Now, if you all have more specific questions for Josiah like what his exact rep tempo was...which way his scale was facing when he weighed himself...which side of his mouth he chewed his food on...or if he perhaps practiced some kind of witchcraft in addition to simply training hard, eating right, and taking PNI products to help induce his pretty significant gains...he will join in the thread tomorrow as he promised to do.
R3ACTION
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Thanks for insulting me, I'm sorry that people were legitimately concerned with a company representative supporting a stack that they don't "recommend". I have no problem with PNI or the products they carry however you blowing these claims out of proportion makes me skeptical of your knowledge of the PNI products. This isn't bb.com so be prepared to answer questions when making outlandish claims.
EBroser
Member
Ok, I did not insult you but was making a point that people began stating I said things or did things that were never said or done in original post. Nobody RECOMMENDED he take both D-Test and Paragon, he just decided to. So, it was my responsibility to report exactly what he took although I could have easily left one of the two boosters out to avoid any of this.
As far as NMDA and D-AA being "dangerous" when taken together I have never seen nor heard of any study that proves this and never have heard a single adverse event reported when these compounds are mixed. If any of you have studies or proof of either please post here so people can be warned to use one or the other and not both.
Finally, no outlandish claim was made. I explained the stack, the time frame and gave his exact results. He paid for the stack and was not a sponsored tester.
Thank you.
mr.cooper69
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Few people in the world have mixed these compounds. Excitotoxicity does not produce tangible effects. Studies can't be done because they are too invasive in humans, who have different barriers to excitotoxic insult than, say, rats. It is incredibly ill-advised to even entertain the idea of megadosing NMDA agonists.
bigswole30
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I would be more then happy to donate the produts for anyone interested in taking Luke and Eric up on their offer. I would love to see how people respond and I like the idea even more so because this is a very educated crowd on here. I truly spared no expense when working on these products and feel very confident that we have some of the most effective products on the market. I stand behind this 100%.
R3ACTION
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Seems like a promotion to me. Maybe Special Report please do not try this should have been the title. You think its a good thing to put on facebook for people who aren't as experienced or have sources such as Dr. Coop or other reputable people to ask for advice?
Luke_PNI
Member
Fantastic ! I will be in-boxing the people that got ahold of me and do what needs to be done. Looking forward to this, thank you Chad !
Reminder: Josiah will be posting what he did during these 4 week with diet, training, supplementation etc. Also will answer any questions you may have. Please show respect because he is a friend of mine and chose to make an account to share with you guys, thank you.
EBroser
Member
It IS a promotion. The products work and I have the right to stand behind and promote products that work. The products sold by every company on Nutraplanet are taken by people here, on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and everywhere else.
Umm, and if you are trying to claim I am not reputable, I would simply need to laugh heartily in your face my friend. I have worked with more athletes, bodybuilders, teenagers, elderly, sick, healthy, injured, handicapped, men, women, etc, etc in the areas of diet, training and supplementation than likely anyone on this board and have never had a poor result, a single complaint, or have anything less than one of the best reputations in this entire industry. So, please don't try and play the card that I not as qualified ass our good friend Mr. Cooper.
But that is not the point anyway. The point is that this healthy young man used our products, had zero negative side effects, and gained exactly what was stated. That IS SPECIAL and I AM REPORTING it! Thus, it is a special report. And yes, it is an ad for our products. And yes, we know PNI products will hasten results if you are also training and eating properly. That is nothing over-hyped or misleading.
As for taking NMDA and DAA together...we are no longer even producing DAA because we know PARAGON is superior. We do not tell people to use both if asked, but they are both out there so some will of course stack the two. And until I see a single adverse report or study where someone takes both compounds and gets negatively effected nobody can claim it is dangerous to stack the two with any truth except in theory if anything -- even though I still would not recommend it because there is no need.
But guys...meaning everyone besides the member I am directly responding to in this thread...check out the fact that Chad, the CEO, is willing to donate hundreds and hundres of $'s worth of product so that others on here can try the stack for themselves and make their own decision as to their efficacy. THAT really says something! That says that he is confident that PNI is producing quality products that work. He is not running away from this but rather stepping up to the plate and taking on the "challenge" head on. Stop speculating and use the products for yourselves. We are gathering a list of members who want to run the PNI stack and we will let you know more about this likely within a day.
We DO thank you for your support and trust.
Luke_PNI
Member
I'm not trying to be rude by any means but i would appreciate it if you would stop trying to prove that we are lying. Since you don't know Josiah and I do those pictures were when he was trying to do a MHP transformation contest trying to get into really good shape and yes lost some of his shape afterwards. So if you have nothing good to say please don't comment in this thread when you have no idea who this person is. We would never put false claims to the public. We mean nothing but good and trying to put good motivation/success stories people have received. Since i just was given the go ahead from the CEO of PNI i will soon show you around 7 more good success stories after I'am done with these kids. These great individuals have came to me wanting to do the same and yes i will be doing their diet and yes i will be sending these kids their workout every single day because I care about helping others reach their goals the right way. So i would really appreciate it that you knocked it off. Your not gonna get anywhere because theres nothing to hide. Please and thank you.
LiveToLift
Legend
Eric I do believe you are missing the point, no one is doubting the products are beneficial. Chad, Howwe and PNI products have respect on this board.
R3ACTION
Well-known member
I'm not trying to get anywhere. You are advertising a stack that may or may not be safe. You were so tickled over the results that you just posted it up everywhere not knowing if its safe. Why don't you go around and edit it to say that we don't recommend using this stack because we are concerned with the wellbeing of our customers.
Luke_PNI
Member
We did not advertise that, we simply stated how he took it. I have done my research and noted they work by separate path ways and thus may have synergistic effects. I am doing the same thing right now with paragon and D-test to be honest with you to see what i notice. So far going great. I will send you the link to your inbox so you can read yourself. Starts on page 6. Hope this clears things up for you and shows you that the wellbeing of Josiah is mighty fine !
R3ACTION
Well-known member
You are advertising that stack. Its pointless to argue, what you are doing is wrong. Regardless of your research you cannot say it is safe however you will continue to promote the results. By doing so you are putting your consumers at a risk.
The results may be there but the lack of knowledge or the google searches you have performed do not put me in a place of comfort. A single or a few individuals do not count as a study. Neither are they grounds for saying that it is safe. The prideful arguments that they showed success in an individual that cannot be verified no matter how much you try to defend them throw up a huge flag for myself and others.
dkgreene88
Well-known member
Why don't you just leave it alone buddy. They were just showing someone's results who chose to do it on their own accord. They have already addressed you.
EBroser
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Psychotic symptoms during phenibut (beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid) withdrawal
Posted online on April 19, 2012. (doi:10.3109/14659891.2012.668261)
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1Department of Medical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden
2The Center for Dependency Disorders in Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden
Correspondence: Lovisa Högberg, Department of Medical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Karolinska Institutet, PO Box 281, SE-171 77 Stockholm, Sweden. Tel: +468-524 82 326. Fax: +468-31 49 57. E-mail: [email protected]
Background: Phenibut is a GABAB agonist that was developed in the Soviet Union in the 1960s. In Russia, it is used in clinical practice to treat, for example, anxiety and alcohol withdrawal symptoms. In Europe and in the United States, phenibut is marketed as a nutritional supplement for improved sleep. In different Internet discussion forums, there are several reports of withdrawal symptoms.
Aim: Our aim was to share what we have learnt from a case study wherein a patient was followed throughout the whole abstinence period.
Case report: A somatically healthy man in his mid-20s with a previous history of substance abuse took phenibut for 2 months. He noted tolerance development already after the first week and increased doses up to 20 g/day. Already a few hours after the last dose the patient started to experience subjective symptoms, at the third day of abstinence the patient started to hallucinate and the following day's symptoms were aggravated with increased hallucinations and confusion. After treatment with benzodiazepines the psychosis resolved.
Conclusion: Phenibut withdrawal symptoms can become severe and have similarities to Baclofen, GHB, benzodiazepine and alcohol withdrawal. Benzodiazepines and supportive care seems to be the most effective choice of treatment for objective abstinence symptoms.
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1Department of Medical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden
2The Center for Dependency Disorders in Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden
Correspondence: Lovisa Högberg, Department of Medical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Karolinska Institutet, PO Box 281, SE-171 77 Stockholm, Sweden. Tel: +468-524 82 326. Fax: +468-31 49 57. E-mail: [email protected]
Background: Phenibut is a GABAB agonist that was developed in the Soviet Union in the 1960s. In Russia, it is used in clinical practice to treat, for example, anxiety and alcohol withdrawal symptoms. In Europe and in the United States, phenibut is marketed as a nutritional supplement for improved sleep. In different Internet discussion forums, there are several reports of withdrawal symptoms.
Aim: Our aim was to share what we have learnt from a case study wherein a patient was followed throughout the whole abstinence period.
Case report: A somatically healthy man in his mid-20s with a previous history of substance abuse took phenibut for 2 months. He noted tolerance development already after the first week and increased doses up to 20 g/day. Already a few hours after the last dose the patient started to experience subjective symptoms, at the third day of abstinence the patient started to hallucinate and the following day's symptoms were aggravated with increased hallucinations and confusion. After treatment with benzodiazepines the psychosis resolved.
Conclusion: Phenibut withdrawal symptoms can become severe and have similarities to Baclofen, GHB, benzodiazepine and alcohol withdrawal. Benzodiazepines and supportive care seems to be the most effective choice of treatment for objective abstinence symptoms.
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VOTED BEST POST IN THREAD BY NEW YORK TIMES, LA TIMES, CHICAGO TRIBUNE, POPULAR MECHANICS, ROAD AND TRACK AND EVEN HOME AND GARDEN!
chedapalooza
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Probably a layer or two to understanding this .. Ninja-like ... I also could just be sleep deprived and way off, too. Interesting thread none-the-less
I think it's Tough for some to believe such dramatic changes if they have never experienced them for themselves. At Age 17, I dialed my training and diet so tight, logging EVERYTHING for my own records and followed meal plans to the calorie and workouts to a T... I got bf% down to 5% for a few months before taking it extreme and developing an illness/obsession- anorexia- point is-- the
Body is capable of wild things, regardless of what you use to supplement- the supplements r jjst that- and the dedication and knowledge is far more valuable. If you have the dedication and k knowledge though, your results will be greatly
Accelerated and improved. That is what PNI did for this individual in the case of Josiah.
Luke_PNI
Member
Camillo thank you buddy for the kind words and your exactly right !
TheSwanks
Well-known member
Holy crap that was tough to read through. I was thinking the same as Mr. Cooper in regards to glycogen and water weight. I've had a swing of up to 7 lbs that way.
No matter how you cut it even a 2-3lb gain LBM in a month without aas is stellar!
PNI seems to me to be a legit company with good products and I wouldn't think Chad, Luke or Eric would intentionally mislead anyone.
No matter how you cut it even a 2-3lb gain LBM in a month without aas is stellar!
PNI seems to me to be a legit company with good products and I wouldn't think Chad, Luke or Eric would intentionally mislead anyone.
mr.cooper69
Legend
Did you not read my post? When was the last time you perceived neuronal cell death? I can assure you that you've experienced quite a bit...
mr.cooper69
Legend
Nope, they are both NMDA agonists, and supplementing NMDA may reduce DAA methylation via Le Chatelier's principle. So using both supplements is:1. Anti-synergistic/diminishing2. Potentially dangerous
mr.cooper69
Legend
Sorry, but you don't understand science. A case study of a single individual does not prove the danger of a compound. This backwards theory would require:1. Perception of the negative stimulus (not true in the case of NMDA/DAA)2. Genetic predisposition and/or contraindicated environmental factors3. The assumption that a case study is synonymous with in vivo data, when in reality, the difference between an experimental trial and a case study is enormous
Again, I'm not here to talk about any of PNI's products which I find superb. When I see misinformation this blatant, I can't just shut my mouth and put up with it
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LiveToLift
Legend
mr.cooper69 said:
Don't go getting science based on him now! He has something better then science remember!
R3ACTION
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Please Tell?
bigswole30
Active member
Guys,
Let stay on track. I have nothing but respect for everyone on here and I am excited to see how people respond to the stack!!
Let stay on track. I have nothing but respect for everyone on here and I am excited to see how people respond to the stack!!
Josiah M.
New member
Hello everyone. My name is Josiah McQuillin. First off, I'd like to clear up that PNI did not tell me to do this. I have had a friendship with luke and once he joined PNI I decided to try out Their stack. It wasn't paid for by them or anything of that nature. Now what people do not know is that this transformation was spurred by a buddy of mine. He was offering me steroids and in response to that I did this stack to prove I did not need any of that. I didn't just make a point to him..but I got him using these products as well. As for my training and nutrition, I made a 360 on both ends. My training intensity went through the roof which equaled more weight..and drive. I also did 30 minutes of low intensity cardio a week. Nutrition wise, I couldn't have eaten cleaner. Since I was only doing 4 weeks, I dedicated every single day to it. My food sources consisted of Chicken breast, Fish, lean beef, turkey, brown rice, and sweet potatoes. Day inn and out. Along with green vegetables and fruit. And as far as this being "impossible" I can respectfully tell you that every bit of my transformation was legit. Due to proper nutrition, training, and of course the right supplementation. I was just as blown away as everyone else, and I will stand by these products 110%. As you may know i used Paragon, Thermadex, prodigy, and D-test. i know D-Test isnt recomended with Paragon, but it was my choice to do it this way.If you have any questions ask away. Thanks
howwedo107
Well-known member
Great transformation brother Ty for your kinda words about PNI and yes luke is pretty great I'm still waiting to be watching late night TV and see him have some new and improved P90X system airing 
Luke_PNI
Member
And also thank you for taking the time, making an account and sharing with us. We really appreciate it
fumoney
Well-known member
Hi Josiah,
Welcome. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
What was your macro like percentage wise and how many calories did you eat per day ? Any carb cycling or back loading ?
How many days did you do cardio ? First in the AM ?
What would you say your training style mirrored ? Westside ? 5/3/1 ? GVT ? Mountain dog ? Mentzer ?
I am assuming you are mesomorph ?
Thanks again !!!
howwedo107
Well-known member
Luke,
you knew I would be first with questions.
I could get the stack for around $100, but it looks like D-Test is not available at Nutra. I rather get everything in one place to save shipping cost....still looking for other options.
Yeah NP has great prices bro paragon is only 29.99$ and prodigy is 26$ thanks for your interest brother
always nice to see you in PNI threads
fumoney
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Yeah NP has great prices bro paragon is only 29.99$ and prodigy is 26$ thanks for your interest brother
No problem howwedo. I exchanged several PMs with Luke about this stack. My interest is high whether I run this now or later. Just have to figure out what I want to do first.
howwedo107
Well-known member
Awesome bro I love your logs
Luke_PNI
Member
Luke,
you knew I would be first with questions.
I could get the stack for around $100, but it looks like D-Test is not available at Nutra. I rather get everything in one place to save shipping cost....still looking for other options.
Haha love it! Ask away my friend. I completely understand. I will check this out and inbox you
Josiah M.
New member
My pleasure. i stuck with a 40/40/20 split. its pretty common but this has what worked the best for me. i played with my calorie intake..but i kept it within 3-4 thousand calories. i kept everything very simple, but i would adjust carbs on my day off. I did cardio 3 times a week..and because of my schedule i had to do it right after training. ANd my training is a mixture of things, i like to switch things up a lot.Also, my staples for supplements are a whey protein, BCAA, multi, fish oil, and a preworkout
howwedo107
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PalmFist
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Upon further review, this does seem like a shameless plug.
I had no idea it was on Facebook as advertised here. Shameless plug with no real science to back its claims. I apologize for my premature comment. Your comment was the first one I saw on my subscribed thread update and I didn't notice any of the comments afterwards
fumoney
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Thanks. Everything seems pretty standard with what most people are doing on AM, so it has to be the training method then along with supplements. Whether its sick volume like GVT or high intensity like Mentzer or maybe a little of both or something I have never heard of.
fumoney
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Thank you for the quick responses !
tyga tyga
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1k cals is a huge swing.. what was your maintenece kcals at?