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is anyone else an egg maniac?

I'm finally able to stomach 8 whole eggs over easy!! Now if I was only home more often I would be able to eat 16 a day...
 
AntonG42O said:
also they contain tons of BCAA's and the yolk specifically has a gram of leucine.
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A gram of Leucine per Yolk!?

ArA content is also high, AWESOME - I knew these was a lot more to enjoy about eggs other than just slurping that golden warm gooey wonderfulness.
 
I am loving this thread bc I too have seen and felt the benefit of eggs...quick question though and I apologize if this has been answered. But how many whole eggs can I realistically consume per day without hurting my weight or cholesterol too bad? I work out 4-5 times a week pretty hard, but my doctor still says that I shouldn't eat more than 2 yolks a day, but I love eggs and could easily eat 8-10 a day I think...filling too, keeps me off the junk snacks. So anyone know?
 
it depends im sue....i say try it out fora while and then get ur cholesterol levels checked and see what happpens, a month or two of eatin extra eggs aint gonna kill u but if it oes efffect ur cholesterol levels without changin anythign else in ur diet u know u gotta cut back.
 
StakedCop said:
Nutrition data dot com says one cooked large eggs has just over 500mg of Leucine.
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Hmm I just did a quick google search and according to the USDA nutrition database 1 jumbo egg contains 0.684g leucine but it also contains 0.423 isoleucine. Not sure how the relation is between the two, like if isoleucine provides the same benifits of leucine.

jontrainer said:
ive read somewhere about eggs having some precursers to GH. Does anyone know if this is true? I hope!
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Some like something I read before by Vince Gironda. I think he has said it was the cholestorol that was actually the precurser for testosterone.

codered5 said:
I am loving this thread bc I too have seen and felt the benefit of eggs...quick question though and I apologize if this has been answered. But how many whole eggs can I realistically consume per day without hurting my weight or cholesterol too bad? I work out 4-5 times a week pretty hard, but my doctor still says that I shouldn't eat more than 2 yolks a day, but I love eggs and could easily eat 8-10 a day I think...filling too, keeps me off the junk snacks. So anyone know?
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I addressed this already here
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But essentially you should not be afraid of dietary cholesterol. There is barely a realtion between the cholesterol you eat and the levels of it in your blood. This cholesterol is usually a response to high levels of insulin. Excess insulin raises levels of cholesterol into the dangerous levels not the cholesterol from eggs.
 
AntonG42O said:
I usually eat 11 to 12 eggs a day monday through friday and about 6 on saturday and sunday. omlets, scrambled, hardboiled any which way. not only do i love eggs but i feel like a monster. am i the only egg fanatic on these boards??
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Hello dear Antong420, How are you....??? I also like egg's very much but eat only two on daily basis because excess of every thing is very bad and according to study of physician's two egg's are enough for a man to gave much energy and power that he can be fit.... However if you eat dozen and quite satisfy than alright live a long life with healthy foods......
 
AntonG42O said:
I usually eat 11 to 12 eggs a day monday through friday and about 6 on saturday and sunday. omlets, scrambled, hardboiled any which way. not only do i love eggs but i feel like a monster. am i the only egg fanatic on these boards??
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Noway man I'm the egg king I eat two five dozen pack a week or evry nine or ten days . I get huge pumps I drink em raw prewout . I drink post workout when I wake up when I want an energy boost. Great libido oily skin ther great I also like to cook em too !
 
Every morning on my days off I eat 6 scrambled eggs for breakfast along with 2 scoops whey, 2 whole wheat toast, and a Greek yogurt. It's a force of habit for me.
 
I always drink 4 raw eggs in orange juice / day. Just a habit I guess :)
 
After upping my whole egg consumption, I am convinced that they are the best natural t booster out there...libido is up and erection quality is crazy good
 
But essentially you should not be afraid of dietary cholesterol. There is barely a realtion between the cholesterol you eat and the levels of it in your blood. This cholesterol is usually a response to high levels of insulin. Excess insulin raises levels of cholesterol into the dangerous levels not the cholesterol from eggs.[/QUOTE said:
Thanks for this post, I was eating about 4-6 eggs a day until i saw how much cholesterol I was consuming and thought it was a bad thing.
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jontrainer said:
I dont mean to be a puss but I cant stand the white blob attached to the yoke and the red dots!
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The white blob is just rooster sperm. Very high protein content.



j/k, it's an umbilical cord in a sense. All the yokes are attached together like a pearl necklace inside the hen with this before the shell forms.
 
tryn2bebig said:
Thanks for this post, I was eating about 4-6 eggs a day until i saw how much cholesterol I was consuming and thought it was a bad thing.
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No problem.. IMO people should worry more about their high carb intake rather than their fat intake. I don't understand why this "war" on fat concept has lasted so long. Especially since fat intake is essential for our survival and carbs aren't really needed, especially in the high quantities that are recommended.
 
JudoJosh said:
No problem.. IMO people should worry more about their high carb intake rather than their fat intake. I don't understand why this "war" on fat concept has lasted so long. Especially since fat intake is essential for our survival and carbs aren't really needed, especially in the high quantities that are recommended.
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they all get their facts from the "lipid hypothesis", which is over 100 years old..
 
JudoJosh said:
No problem.. IMO people should worry more about their high carb intake rather than their fat intake. I don't understand why this "war" on fat concept has lasted so long. Especially since fat intake is essential for our survival and carbs aren't really needed, especially in the high quantities that are recommended.
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Everything should be taken in moderation, and carbohydrates cycled. Carbohydrates aren't essential to living organisms, true, but they still serve a hugely useful utility in strength and physique enhancement when modified correctly.
 
Once you are past 20% of your daily calorie intake in fats, and 1g/lb bodyweight of protein, where the rest of your calories come from barely matters. Whether more protein, more fat, or carbs. Sure, once you get past 400 g of protein a day you become open to kidney issues, and if you got all your additional calories from dextrose it might not be great, but if it was all from oatmeal you'd be fine.
 
EasyEJL said:
Once you are past 20% of your daily calorie intake in fats, and 1g/lb bodyweight of protein, where the rest of your calories come from barely matters. Whether more protein, more fat, or carbs. Sure, once you get past 400 g of protein a day you become open to kidney issues, and if you got all your additional calories from dextrose it might not be great, but if it was all from oatmeal you'd be fine.
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I just want you to know I'm NOT being rude or sarcastic when I say this, I'm truly interested in furthering this though/discussion you wrote above... but I didn't understand any of your points. Are you saying there is a rule of thumb for a certain daily caloric intake that can be met, and eating unlimited oatmeal after that threshold will avoid adipogenesis? Also, I regularly consume 400g protein per day, for years on end, without fail... and I've always received comprehensive blood panel workups without any signs of danger. Can you please explain more on this or point me toward some clinical findings that show these effects? Thanks! :)
 
Outstanding said:
I just want you to know I'm NOT being rude or sarcastic when I say this, I'm truly interested in furthering this though/discussion you wrote above... but I didn't understand any of your points. Are you saying there is a rule of thumb for a certain daily caloric intake that can be met, and eating unlimited oatmeal after that threshold will avoid adipogenesis? Also, I regularly consume 400g protein per day, for years on end, without fail... and I've always received comprehensive blood panel workups without any signs of danger. Can you please explain more on this or point me toward some clinical findings that show these effects? Thanks! :)
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Sure. Basically lets say your maintenance calories is 3000 a day at your activity level. You roughly need 20% is of that, or 600 from fats (hopefully healthy fats). I'll have to hunt for the specific figures and studies, but there are actual medical studies showing the ability for different enzymes to break down proteins along with the reactions after. And they summarized that roughly 400g was the maximum amount that an average person could process daily long term without causing kidney strain. Is it possible that some individuals can go higher? Sure, just like its possible some people will see issues at 350 g long term. In terms of actual protein needs, even with heavy activity, you have something around .6 to .8g/lb of protein per pound of bodyweight for daily usage, and remember that a pound of lean muscle only has around 160g of protein in it. so even if you are gaining a pound of true muscle a week thats only 23g extra of protein a day necessary to synthesize it.

So for me, at 190 or so, I probably have an average daily need of 140ish g of protein training days (less on non training days) and if I was looking to gain even 2lbs of muscle a week under anabolics i'd still be ok under 200g of protein. So thats 400 more calories, so I have 2000 to go.

All calories beyond that are used solely for energy to power all the different living processes. So whether it comes from protein, fats or carbs is pretty irrelevant unless you go to extreme and try and have all the calories come from dextrose (where you will get into insulin issues). But of the remaining calories were all from oatmeal it would pretty well not be noticeably different than if the additional calories came from steak or walnuts.
 
Let me preface by saying I am not an expert and I definetely dont stay up to date with all the studies and theories out there I am only speaking on what I have read and learned recently and this info may be already outdated and/or wrong. I also have said many times before on this board that I feel people put way too much emphasis on these studies that are done as concrete facts and holy grails or dogmas when infact I believe that theories are ever evolving and changing and what is so called "Fact" today may be proven wrong tomorrow this is why I dont place too much value on studies but they do definetely have their place especially ina discussion of health or while making personal decisions on what you do to your body.

I am also going to steal Outsandings line by saying I am in no way trying to be rude, sarcastic, offensive, abbrasive, dikheadish, etc in my post. This is how I feel and what I believe. I am open to any and all discussion on the matter as I am still learning myself.


I dont think you can say as rule of thumb x amount of protein is safe as this is going to be heavily dependent on how much carbs someone is eating. Say for example if I am in ketosis and eating say 30g carbs a day maximum then I can eat a little extra protein in my diet because this protein is going to be broken down for the glucose where as if I am eating 500g carbs per day and getting all my energy from carbs then I may not need as much protein consumed. Our body requires about 200g glucose for energy (CNS, red blood cells, etc) so the optimal protein intake amount is going to vary between a high card dieter and a low carb dieter. As I mentioned earlier if I am eating 30g carbs on a keto based diet than a 170g deficit has to be made up. You can say maybe around 30g of that glucose can be obtained from the glycerol from stored and dietary fat than that still leaves 140g in the hole. This 140g can be obtained from protein either dietary sources or muscle and who here ants to loose muscle? Here is where an excess protein consumption will be very beneficial especially since not all aminos convert in a 1 to 1 fasion from protein to glucose. Point you cant universally say a person doesnt need more than a certain amount of grams of protein without knowing their complete diet ratio.

I dont think there has really been a study done that shows link between protein and kidney damage. I think most of it is done on speculation of the protein leaking into the urine via the kidney and assume the protein damanged the kidneys but I remember reading a paper that showed that it isnt the protein that damages the kidney but the elevated glucose that causes the damage, the protein leak is the effect.

Again I believe that there is no universal amount or rule that can apply to everyone. Every individual will need to experiment with their own ody and figure out what works best for them. As I said in my eariler post I personally feel people should be more concerned with their carb intake rather than protein or fat. To me protein and fat is what is NEEDED.. carbs such as fruit, potatoes, rice etc are a luxury and to be used sparingly depending on your goals.

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oh and on the oatmeal comment that it doesnt matter if the rest of your food is oatmeal I think that is hugely simplistic way of looking at it. If you are soley speaking on energy from food than MAYBE yes but I believe that oatmeal isnt as healthy as most people would have you believe and defientely having such large quantities of oatmeal may be very bad for your health

oatmeal is converted rapidly to sugar, and a lot of it. Even if you were to repeat the experiment with no dried or fresh fruit, you will still witness high blood sugars in these ranges. Do like some people and pile on the raisins, dried cranberries, or brown sugar, and you will see blood sugars go even higher.

Blood sugars this high, experienced repetitively, will damage the delicate insulin-producing beta cells of your pancreas (glucose toxicity). It also glycates proteins of the eyes and vascular walls. The blood glucose effects of oatmeal really don't differ much from a large Snickers bar or bowl of jelly beans.

If you are like most people, you too will show high blood sugars after oatmeal. It's easy to find out . . . check your postprandial blood sugar.
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This is not to even mention the gluten present in the oatmeal and the possible effects that may have on your health but that is neither here nor there the purpose of this post is to simply say we have a very complex body and you can not universally say something about how we will react to what we eat. Specifically on the oatmeal comment I think there will be a HUGE difference if I get the rest of my calories from oatmeal which has high levels of lectins and phytic acid which can cause intestinal imbalances and block the absorption of nutrients and are also high in omega 6s and cause many people to have high insulin then say the rest of my calories from eggs or steaks.
 
EasyEJL said:
...I'll have to hunt for the specific figures and studies, but there are actual medical studies showing the ability for different enzymes to break down proteins along with the reactions after. And they summarized that roughly 400g was the maximum amount that an average person could process daily long term without causing kidney strain.
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First of all, thank you for taking all the time to explain your thoughts and theories to me - some of them resonated. However, kidney 'strain' is a far, far, far universe of contrasting difference from actually materializing cancer.
 
JudoJosh said:
Let me preface by saying I am not an expert and I definetely dont stay up to date with all the studies and theories out there I am only speaking on what I have read and learned recently and this info may be already outdated and/or wrong. I also have said many times before on this board that I feel people put way too much emphasis on these studies that are done as concrete facts and holy grails or dogmas when infact I believe that theories are ever evolving and changing and what is so called "Fact" today may be proven wrong tomorrow this is why I dont place too much value on studies but they do definetely have their place especially ina discussion of health or while making personal decisions on what you do to your body.

I am also going to steal Outsandings line by saying I am in no way trying to be rude, sarcastic, offensive, abbrasive, dikheadish, etc in my post. This is how I feel and what I believe. I am open to any and all discussion on the matter as I am still learning myself.


I dont think you can say as rule of thumb x amount of protein is safe as this is going to be heavily dependent on how much carbs someone is eating. Say for example if I am in ketosis and eating say 30g carbs a day maximum then I can eat a little extra protein in my diet because this protein is going to be broken down for the glucose where as if I am eating 500g carbs per day and getting all my energy from carbs then I may not need as much protein consumed. Our body requires about 200g glucose for energy (CNS, red blood cells, etc) so the optimal protein intake amount is going to vary between a high card dieter and a low carb dieter. As I mentioned earlier if I am eating 30g carbs on a keto based diet than a 170g deficit has to be made up. You can say maybe around 30g of that glucose can be obtained from the glycerol from stored and dietary fat than that still leaves 140g in the hole. This 140g can be obtained from protein either dietary sources or muscle and who here ants to loose muscle? Here is where an excess protein consumption will be very beneficial especially since not all aminos convert in a 1 to 1 fasion from protein to glucose. Point you cant universally say a person doesnt need more than a certain amount of grams of protein without knowing their complete diet ratio.

I dont think there has really been a study done that shows link between protein and kidney damage. I think most of it is done on speculation of the protein leaking into the urine via the kidney and assume the protein damanged the kidneys but I remember reading a paper that showed that it isnt the protein that damages the kidney but the elevated glucose that causes the damage, the protein leak is the effect.

Again I believe that there is no universal amount or rule that can apply to everyone. Every individual will need to experiment with their own ody and figure out what works best for them. As I said in my eariler post I personally feel people should be more concerned with their carb intake rather than protein or fat. To me protein and fat is what is NEEDED.. carbs such as fruit, potatoes, rice etc are a luxury and to be used sparingly depending on your goals.

EDIT* I found 2 of the papers I was referencing here ->

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partially, your post reiterates what i said. Beyond a necessary amount of efas and eaas the use of the rest of your calories is energy, and eating more protein is roughly the same as eating more carbs, as your body will use gluconeogenesis to turn the protein to glucose anyhow.
 
EasyEJL said:
partially, your post reiterates what i said. Beyond a necessary amount of efas and eaas the use of the rest of your calories is energy, and eating more protein is roughly the same as eating more carbs, as your body will use gluconeogenesis to turn the protein to glucose anyhow.
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well you also hinted toward a high protein intake related to kidney damage and I pointed out that I have yet to read any study that showed any link between the two. My post was more directed to the idea that more than .6-.8g pre lbm was not only unnecessary but unhealthy. From everything that I have read this is not only a myth but will be dependent on the rest of the macros they are eating. As I posted if I am realitively low carb I can consume way more than .8g per lbm and that protein can not only be usefull but IS needed and has no negative downfalls to it. I can completely see how someone who is consuming 500g carbs AND 400g protein will have some issues but I dont think you can make a general comment like "you dont need more than .6 -.8g protein to apply to everyone.

It is a little pet peeve of mine about this "I eat too much protein" as I hear it countless times throughout my average day at work. along with I eat too much red meat or eggs and I need to eat whole grains and bla bla bla.
 
hey Easy himself kicked grains and dairy so i guess it just means everyone has their own reason to eat paleo
 
JudoJosh said:
well you also hinted toward a high protein intake related to kidney damage and I pointed out that I have yet to read any study that showed any link between the two. My post was more directed to the idea that more than .6-.8g pre lbm was not only unnecessary but unhealthy. From everything that I have read this is not only a myth but will be dependent on the rest of the macros they are eating. As I posted if I am realitively low carb I can consume way more than .8g per lbm and that protein can not only be usefull but IS needed and has no negative downfalls to it. I can completely see how someone who is consuming 500g carbs AND 400g protein will have some issues but I dont think you can make a general comment like "you dont need more than .6 -.8g protein to apply to everyone.

It is a little pet peeve of mine about this "I eat too much protein" as I hear it countless times throughout my average day at work. along with I eat too much red meat or eggs and I need to eat whole grains and bla bla bla.
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Yeah, I see what you mean. I was just establishing the bottom thresholds that you never want to be below. But higher amounts are ok, up to a point.
 
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