Intra workout/bcaa

Is there any research to show an advantage of taking strictly bcaa/eaa's over just a scoop of protein that has a good amino acid profile?
 
im a fan of modern bcaa, aminolift, cellucors alpha aminos myself. i ususally mix the alpha blue razz with 5g of buffered vitamin c with my breakfast.
 
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JSNeves said:
Is there any research to show an advantage of taking strictly bcaa/eaa's over just a scoop of protein that has a good amino acid profile?
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I don't think so. But aminos or peptopro are digested much easier and faster, so less stomach distress. And id rather have blood in my muscles when training and not in my gut digesting.
 
JSNeves said:
Is there any research to show an advantage of taking strictly bcaa/eaa's over just a scoop of protein that has a good amino acid profile?
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I've never used any Intra, since I train fed (90-120 mins prior). As a test, I ordered some Intra-MD. I don't really notice anything "wow" for the money. I still get DOMS, and my recovery has always been "Grrrrrrr, when can I get back in the gym!" anyway, so... I have no doubt it is high quality, but for *me*, I don't need Intra's.

I believe Aragon has written a few pieces about a pre-workout meal being enough if you're a "1 workout a day for 90 minutes'ish" type of guy.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I've never used any Intra, since I train fed (90-120 mins prior). As a test, I ordered some Intra-MD. I don't really notice anything "wow" for the money. I still get DOMS, and my recovery has always been "Grrrrrrr, when can I get back in the gym!" anyway, so... I have no doubt it is high quality, but for *me*, I don't need Intra's.

I believe Aragon has written a few pieces about a pre-workout meal being enough if you're a "1 workout a day for 90 minutes'ish" type of guy.
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Wanna send me intra-md?
 
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Best BCAA™ is predicated on the science of oligopeptides as a superior mechanism for improving the absorption and uptake of BCAAs. Oligopeptides, by way of background, are molecules that are linked in a polypeptide chain. In this linked polypeptide chain cutting edge research shows that there is higher plasma amino acid concentrations and greater homogeneity of amino acid absorption. A typical, and excellent example of this, is the study, “Pharmacokinetic assessment of an oligopeptide-based enteral formula in abdominal surgery patients” published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. This is further supported by another oligopeptide research paper from Germany, and published in the German medical journal, Leber, Magen, Darm, “Comparison of enteral resorption rates of free amino acids and oligopeptides”, which documents that while there is an amino acid transport system, there is also a transport system for peptides, which shows marked advantages as compared to amino acids in free form, which use the standard amino acid transport system. Researchers theorize that this is because the peptide carrier system has a ‘bigger transport capacity than the amino acid transport system.’ Another study, “Characterization and nutritional significance of peptide transport in man”, published in the Annals of Nutrition and Metabolism, consistently found that ‘amino acid residues were absorbed more rapidly from di- and tripeptides than from free amino acids’, and that ‘oligopeptide-based nitrogen sources’ are rapidly assimilated.
 
Figured instead of starting a new thread id post here. Ive been looking at endure lately and have been pretty impressed by the profile. I like that the carb version has hydromax and the -epi addition. My two biggest draw backs are carb10 in general(never tried) and the amount in it. Usually i do intra md at 2 scoops which is 60 grams hbcd ( and before i hear it i train for 2-3 hours, and two scoops definitely works better for me than one). What do you guys think? TheSolution hvactech have you tried endure? How does it compare?
 
I tried some last night and it sat very heavy. I used a serving and 2/3 to bring the carbs close to 30g and I found the bloat distracting. The reason to train more than 4 hours away from food for me is to have a very light stomach. I may just use half a serving now to sweeten my bulk HBCD that sits like water. Pina Colada tastes good though and dye is very weak. Good pumps too.
 
I usually run intra md or intrafuse depending on how I want the flavor to be.
 
machinehead said:
I tried some last night and it sat very heavy. I used a serving and 2/3 to bring the carbs close to 30g and I found the bloat distracting. The reason to train more than 4 hours away from food for me is to have a very light stomach. I may just use half a serving now to sweeten my bulk HBCD that sits like water. Pina Colada tastes good though and dye is very weak. Good pumps too.
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Damn thats what i was afraid of. I am the same way. Hbcd is very easy on my stomach
 
A few combo's i have been running lately.

E9 Pre-workout + Alpha Amino Preworkout
Intra-Md or Intra MD EAA+ with Glycofuse

E9 + Xtend Performance
Intra-MD // Intra MD EAA+ w/ Glycofuse

E9 + M5 Reloaded
Intra-MD // Intra MD EAA+ w/ Glycofuse

seems to be working well
 
EMPIREMIND said:
Damn thats what i was afraid of. I am the same way. Hbcd is very easy on my stomach
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I used it 2 more time now, same 71.1g serving so ~28g of crabs. It still sits heavy, like whey, though I don't 'feel' it as much. I get the same stomach distension I used to get from 30g of soy lecithin. Stuff settles on the bottom and when you sip you can feel it sticking to your teeth if you grind them a bit, kind of like stuff sold back in the day as waxy maize. With that said, I cannot attribute the heaviness to Carb10 yet as I have not tried the carbless version and I have not followed the uppercase warning to not exceed 2 scoops (42.67g) per day. It may be that the other actives are in too high a volume relative to the tiny 17g of carbs. It went up the esophagus today towards the end of the session so it does not travel down fast enough for me. Lastly, I don't get that spike in energy/endurance that I get from HBCD but this one is very difficult to quantify.

I'll try the non-"+" after the next sale they have.
 
I'm glad you brought this up for discussion. I was just thinking of ordering some Carb 10 and experimenting with it around my WO in place of HBCD.

I still might give it a try but definitely ordering the smaller tub first.
 
Hbcd is by far the best case scenario for intra carbs...
 
I bought endure + and was not impressed by it at all sadly.
The flavor was awful. It didn't mix very well. I've barely touched mine which sorta sucks because I was pretty excited about it.
Back to amino IV
 
FireRescue said:
I'm glad you brought this up for discussion. I was just thinking of ordering some Carb 10 and experimenting with it around my WO in place of HBCD.

I still might give it a try but definitely ordering the smaller tub first.
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Get the smallest size first :)

I only got 1 tub so I can easily go through it if I don't like it.
 
Will be going back to Gatorade powder (35 grams carbs) for a while with 2 scoops Amino IV intra.

Previously was going with Karbolyn + Amino IV.
 
kbayne said:
Will be going back to Gatorade powder (35 grams carbs) for a while with 2 scoops Amino IV intra.

Previously was going with Karbolyn + Amino IV.
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Karbolyn and glycofuse are my next two
 
hvactech said:
Karbolyn and glycofuse are my next two
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I was going to go with Glycofuse but decided to go try out Gatorade powder again just to compare to Karbolyn. I will give Glycofuse or another HBCD product a go after a good run with Gatorade (unless I notice GI issues)
 
kbayne said:
I was going to go with Glycofuse but decided to go try out Gatorade powder again just to compare to Karbolyn. I will give Glycofuse or another HBCD product a go after a good run with Gatorade (unless I notice GI issues)
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Have yet to try the Gatorade powder
 
The thing is im pretty sure gatorade wont be too much on the stomach because it was developed for intra workout essentially. football teams been using it for years. If it wasnt light on the stomach they wouldnt. kbayne im curious what you find out.


On another note glycofuse might be one of the best tasting supps there is. Hands down best out of the any intras...
 
The Solution said:
Never tried or seen the label for endure.
I usually just rock Intra-MD or Glycofuse + IntraMD EAA+
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Here's the ENDUR3+ label for those who have not seen it yet. 20 g of Carb10 in a 2 scoop serving, but there is also a carb free version as well. I just received my order of ENDUR3 (but got the carb free version), so I can't comment on the Carb10 fullness just yet.
 
I've had about a week of workouts using Endur3+, and all I can do is rave about it. I've experienced a noticeable increase in endurance, decrease in rest periods, and deep, consistent pumps. It sits lightly in my stomach and doesn't slow me down at all. The flavor is mild, to my palate, and I've no problem going through a thirty two ounce water bottle throughout my sessions.

Obviously different people will respond differently to supplements, but man oh man is this a home run for me.
 
Mumbles01 said:
I bought endure + and was not impressed by it at all sadly.
The flavor was awful. It didn't mix very well. I've barely touched mine which sorta sucks because I was pretty excited about it.
Back to amino IV
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When you say you aren't impressed with it, are you referring to its performance effects or its mix-ability and taste?
 
Kinda all around really.
The mix ability & taste are a 3/10 for me hands down. It's just not good tasting at all and as mentioned above its gritty & builds up on the bottom if it rests to long.

Performance wise I didn't really notice much of anything. I've always gone pretty hard in the gym with limited rest periods between sets & I can't say I noticed any difference while using this. But who knows maybe I just wasn't really paying attention. If so I guess that alone speaks for how noticeable a difference it really makes.

I'd also like to note that I'm not hating on OL products, I love OL & everything they make typically I'm using 3 of their products right now)
Just my opinion on this that's all.
I'm sure others will respond differently.
 
Two things i look for in an intra that i can notice. One being energy. The major difference between my intra md and water or even bcaas is the energy i get right away... Fast carbs. Another thing is the recovery after. I absolutely notice my recovery is better when i consistently use it and have even added in another day. As far as taste and mixability go i dont really care if the first two are true. However in the products that i find work, they taste and mix well lol
 
EMG81 said:
I've had about a week of workouts using Endur3+, and all I can do is rave about it. I've experienced a noticeable increase in endurance, decrease in rest periods, and deep, consistent pumps. It sits lightly in my stomach and doesn't slow me down at all. The flavor is mild, to my palate, and I've no problem going through a thirty two ounce water bottle throughout my sessions.

Obviously different people will respond differently to supplements, but man oh man is this a home run for me.
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You're experiencing exactly what you're supposed to with Endur3. It's a true ergogenic and actually sustains anabolism.
The formula is definitely unique. Most products have random EAA ratios, we use the perfect stoichiometric ratio to support long lasting protein synthesis (this alone puts Endur3 miles ahead of its competitors). No guesswork, our EAA matrix is a masterpiece, literally. It took a lot of hard work.
Then you have two proven natural anabolics/ergogenics: Epicatechin and Schizandra. Both dosed properly in order to achieve substantial and noticable effects. Full dose of Agmatine not just for the pleasant pump but also increased cAMP, more fat oxidation, raised carnitine synthesis, more adiponectin, improved mitochondrial function, more UCPs, and enhanced EAA delivery to muscle tissue.
You get powerful muscle cells hydration for a permissive additional effect on anabolism/hypertrophy.
Taurine to potentiate BCAA's effects on recovery and boost calsequestrin level for optimal muscle contraction.

I other words, if I had enough money to buy ONE supplements only, it'd be Endur3.
 
Wow impressed with the product after reading that. Haven't tried but will have to just based on reading the above statement.
 
My mid work out shake now is 10 grams of dribose 10 grams of Bcaa peptide 10 grams of plasma beef albumin, astragin and actagin at 500mg each,6 grams of l citrulline, 1.5 grams of nitrosigine 3 grams of hydromax and electrolytes as well to a half gallon water . Love the pump and hydration !!!! I get very veiney!!!
 
Endure looks pretty good. Might have to give that a shot.

Only real carb supp I've used outside of eating Skittles is Super Carb from NutraBio. Aminos I typically switch between Compete! and In-Kaged.
 
xtyler said:
You're experiencing exactly what you're supposed to with Endur3. It's a true ergogenic and actually sustains anabolism.
The formula is definitely unique. Most products have random EAA ratios, we use the perfect stoichiometric ratio to support long lasting protein synthesis (this alone puts Endur3 miles ahead of its competitors). No guesswork, our EAA matrix is a masterpiece, literally. It took a lot of hard work.
Then you have two proven natural anabolics/ergogenics: Epicatechin and Schizandra. Both dosed properly in order to achieve substantial and noticable effects. Full dose of Agmatine not just for the pleasant pump but also increased cAMP, more fat oxidation, raised carnitine synthesis, more adiponectin, improved mitochondrial function, more UCPs, and enhanced EAA delivery to muscle tissue.
You get powerful muscle cells hydration for a permissive additional effect on anabolism/hypertrophy.
Taurine to potentiate BCAA's effects on recovery and boost calsequestrin level for optimal muscle contraction.

I other words, if I had enough money to buy ONE supplements only, it'd be Endur3.
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Since I got quite a few PM's asking what Calsequestrin is, I guess it's worth it posting the answer here:

Calsequestrin is a calcium binding protein involved in Ca transport into cells. It helps holding calcium in the sarcoplasmic reticulum. The release of Calsequestrin-bound calcium triggers muscle contraction. Since Taurine boosts the Calsequestrin concentration, pumping the calcium ions is apparently easier.

...in (kinda) layman's terms :silly:
 
One thing i love about intra md eaa+ has been the teacrine. It definitely keeps my energy going with all the stims i take through the day and before training. Definitely a great addition to the formula
 
The Solution said:
Grape was soft . Here is what I question,
They have no sucralose in Intra md but do in EAA+
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Thats a negative for me. I try to have as little sweetners as possible. And i really appreciated that about the grape titan. I prefer light flavoring though. The modern bcaas had been my favorite flavors recently
 
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