Injectable Sarm/TRT cycle

[Geoffr]

Since there isn’t to many logs out there I’m going to document my 10-12 week LGD/TRT cycle. This will not be a daily log, I will post my experience along with pictures.

I have did several high dosage Sarm cycles in the past with good results. However, they have all been oral and were harsh on my liver enzymes so I am hoping the injectable LGD will be less liver toxic as it should.

Cycle:
10-12 weeks
Injectable LGD : 23MG EOD
TRT: 200mg/wk

Stats:
6’2, 203lbs, 12-13% bf
I have been lifting for 10 years (8 years naturally before I introduced sarms and started TRT almost two years ago.)

My diet and training will remain the Same, I may eat a little more because LGD makes me hungry. I don’t count my macros but I do eat clean Whole Foods.

I workout 4-6 days a week, usually drop sets with every exercise with short rest periods, no rest on arm day. I don’t focus on abs or maxing, so I won’t document any PRs.

Picture below taken 8 hours after waking up, a few meals in. No pump, off day from the gym.

 

[steve0178]

Nice! Thanks for logging your experience! I'll be watching this.

 

[manifesto]

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[Jinsun]

nice
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is 23mg considered to be a high dose for IM LGD? Or does the dose translate equally to oral?

 

[Jinsun]

Also interested in why are you using injectable LGD vs Oral? What are the benefits?

 

[Geoffr]

Also interested in why are you using injectable LGD vs Oral? What are the benefits?

It’s been reported as having more bioavailability while being less liver toxic. So it being more bioavailable I believe you get more “juice for the squeeze”.

My main issue as stated above is the orals are harsh on my liver. So if I can decrease liver toxicity while also taking less and getting better results that’s obviously a win in my book.

 

[manifesto]

Are you getting some blood work along the way to check liver values?

 

[RusTLad]

In! Looking forward to following along and seeing how injectable LGD experience differs to running it orally.

 

[Geoffr]

Yes sir, I will have blood work done in a month and will share the results. I had bloodwork done about a month ago and will compare.

 

[Geoffr]

Day 5 (3 injections in):

Not much has changed, muscles fill a tad bit more full and a little pump increase during workouts. No noticeable strength increase as of yet.

Pinning in the delt, no pip.

Picture is 12 hours after waking up, a few meals in and 30 minutes after my gym session (arm day).

 

[manifesto]

Looking solid.

What do your calories/macros look like?

 

[manifesto]

Nm...just saw that you dont track calories

 

[trumac]

In for this. @Smont seemed to have good luck with injectable lgd

 

[Geoffr]

Day 7:

I have decided to add in an extra day of dosing.

So 23MG 4x a week = 92mg/wk
Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun

Haven’t noticed any major changes.

 

[Geoffr]

Day 12:

Nothing really to report.

Strength is the same, maybe a better pump in the gym, that’s it.

My weight is about the same.

I might increase my dose from 23MG 4X/wk to 30MG

 

[Geoffr]

Day 16:
I am changing my protocol to pinning every day instead of EOD.

I was worried about the half life, they say 24-48 hours but I have always dosed oral LGD every 24 hours so I am going to try that out instead.

Nothing worthy to report, everything is pretty much the same.

 

[Ironpirate]

Day 16:
I am changing my protocol to pinning every day instead of EOD.

I was worried about the half life, they say 24-48 hours but I have always dosed oral LGD every 24 hours so I am going to try that out instead.

Nothing worthy to report, everything is pretty much the same.

What are you going to do, like 15 or 20 a day?

 

[Smont]

I did EOD and noticed it working in the first 10 days or so. The way I look at it you got like a 36hr half life which means in your system for like 3 days. But you also gotta take in the factor of how long your body takes to absorb the oil so it should actually be a little longer. I think mg vs mg it's about twice as strong but also does not act like the same drug as the oral version. Things to look out for are hunger, strength gains and a good pump. Those came right away, a little size came later. I'm interested to see how a longer cycle goes. what brand are you using

 

[Smont]

nice
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is 23mg considered to be a high dose for IM LGD? Or does the dose translate equally to oral?

It's 23 eod. That's 11.5 daily. I'd say it's a low dose. Outside my 30mg EOD I saw some guys running 50mg daily. And the YouTube sarm fanboys were also doing 50 a day I believe.

 

[Geoffr]

What are you going to do, like 15 or 20 a day?

6 week cycle at the minimum. I usually do 10-12 weeks cycles.

 

[Geoffr]

I did EOD and noticed it working in the first 10 days or so. The way I look at it you got like a 36hr half life which means in your system for like 3 days. But you also gotta take in the factor of how long your body takes to absorb the oil so it should actually be a little longer. I think mg vs mg it's about twice as strong but also does not act like the same drug as the oral version. Things to look out for are hunger, strength gains and a good pump. Those came right away, a little size came later. I'm interested to see how a longer cycle goes. what brand are you using

Behemoth Labz which is basically PureRawz.

As far as the results I can’t say the same, wish I could haha. I haven’t noticed hardly any changes. It’s only been a little over 2 weeks so I’m not to worried. By week 4 I’ll start questioning why I’m not seeing changes.

I’m currently dosing at 16MG per day.

 

[Smont]

Behemoth Labz which is basically PureRawz.

As far as the results I can’t say the same, wish I could haha. I haven’t noticed hardly any changes. It’s only been a little over 2 weeks so I’m not to worried. By week 4 I’ll start questioning why I’m not seeing changes.

I’m currently dosing at 16MG per day.

I used ma, can't speak for that other brand. But I think you should be seeing some results by now, mg vs mg I find it at least twice as strong and if you were 12 days in on the oral at 30mg you would notice it by now. Especially with everything else being the same like you did. I'm stumped

 

[Geoffr]

I used ma, can't speak for that other brand. But I think you should be seeing some results by now, mg vs mg I find it at least twice as strong and if you were 12 days in on the oral at 30mg you would notice it by now. Especially with everything else being the same like you did. I'm stumped

Exactly, If anything I feel smaller haha, might have to switch and get some MA mid cycle!

 

[Smont]

Any updates?

 

[Geoffr]

Day 26:
Pinning 20MG LGD every day in the delts.

Weight is about the same, workouts have been about the same and strength has remained about the same.

Ordered some MA last week, awaiting shipment.

So far this is just a disappointing cycle, I defiantly expected something to change after 3 weeks lol

 

[Smont]

Day 26:
Pinning 20MG LGD every day in the delts.

Weight is about the same, workouts have been about the same and strength has remained about the same.

Ordered some MA last week, awaiting shipment.

So far this is just a disappointing cycle, I defiantly expected something to change after 3 weeks lol

Ya that don't sound right, I was feeling it pretty much right away and I was doing 30mg EOD I think. Gotta double check this but I think by the 3rd shot I was feeling pumped up and hungry. My weight didn't go up much but I was looking leaner and bigger

 

[Geoffr]

Day 31: Not much has changed, maybe a bit more lean, weight is the same. Lifts are about the same.

I will be getting bloodwork done tomorrow so I’ll post the changes in my blood work in about a week or two when the results come back.

ALSO, New source arrived .... soooo I’ll keep y’all posted!

 

[Smont]

I'm guessing nothing has changed?

 

[Geoffr]

DAY 38: **STOPPING CYCLE**

Sad to have to say this everyone but the cycle is being stopped due to my bloodwork results.

I was really thinking Injectable sarms would be less liver toxic than the oral but that’s not the case with me.

AST: High- 2X the top of the reference range
ALT High - 4x the top of the reference range
HDL - Low
LDL - High


This happens every Sarms cycle so it’s not really a shocker.

I will say I started noticing results week 4, muscles were fuller and more vascular.

Besides the bloodwork I did not notice any side effects.

If it wasn’t for the liver enzymes being elevated I would totally finish out this cycle.

 

[Smont]

DAY 38: **STOPPING CYCLE**

Sad to have to say this everyone but the cycle is being stopped due to my bloodwork results.

I was really thinking Injectable sarms would be less liver toxic than the oral but that’s not the case with me.

AST: High- 2X the top of the reference range
ALT High - 4x the top of the reference range
HDL - Low
LDL - High


This happens every Sarms cycle so it’s not really a shocker.

I will say I started noticing results week 4, muscles were fuller and more vascular.

Besides the bloodwork I did not notice any side effects.

If it wasn’t for the liver enzymes being elevated I would totally finish out this cycle.

Sarms hate you lol, nothing messes with my numbers like that, not superdrol, not even the crazy crapload of stuff in medfit silverback. Was it safe to say you started seeing results when you switched brands or did it just take a while for you?

 

[Geoffr]

Sarms hate you lol, nothing messes with my numbers like that, not superdrol, not even the crazy crapload of stuff in medfit silverback. Was it safe to say you started seeing results when you switched brands or did it just take a while for you?

Right! It sucks too! In the future I’ll just do a blast of Test and log that.

But yes, I started seeing results after switching sources, now I’m not saying the first source was bunk, it may have just been the point in the cycle where one starts to notice the changes. But I can say my workouts were better on the new source as well.

 

[Smont]

I'm wondering if you would have the problems if you started with the second source. I don't think the first was lgd.

 

[Geoffr]

I'm wondering if you would have the problems if you started with the second source. I don't think the first was lgd.

I have problems every cycle, every source I have ever tried has elevated them.

 

[Smont]

I have problems every cycle, every source I have ever tried has elevated them.

Maybe you should look into seeing if you have some underlying cause that makes everythins effect your liver so drastically, it doesn't seem normal to me. Obviously I'm not Dr. But there's gotta be something going on

 

[Geoffr]

Maybe you should look into seeing if you have some underlying cause that makes everythins effect your liver so drastically, it doesn't seem normal to me. Obviously I'm not Dr. But there's gotta be something going on

Yeah, it usually takes a few months for my enzymes to return to normal, everyone reacts differently. Just sucks I’m so sensitive.

 

[manifesto]

Do you drink alcohol or take any prescription pills?

 

[Geoffr]

Do you drink alcohol or take any prescription pills?

Nope. I don’t drink, take anything else or smoke.

bloodwork is great when I’m off sarms

 

[manifesto]

That sucks...does this happen with other AAS as well?

 

[Geoffr]

That sucks...does this happen with other AAS as well?

I have only touched test and sarms. My TRT does not cause any elevation.

All I can say is everyone’s body is different, one compound may effect me more drastically than it would someone else. For whatever reason sarms are very harsh on me.

I am just shocked that oral vs injectable had the exact same effect on liver toxicity. If anything injectable elevates my enzymes quicker, now I don’t know if that has anything todo with it being more bio available.

I do know I usually take a cycle/liver support during my cycle and this one I did not. So that may also be a factor on why they elevated so quickly.