Yes mmmmm7 posts. Convenient.
Is SL still the best option? Brb 2g+/day for 7$.
Yes mmmmm7 posts. Convenient.
Is SL still the best option? Brb 2g+/day for 7$.
Lol..?7 posts. Convenient.
Is SL still the best option? Brb 2g+/day for 7$.
I think Epiq puts out a decent product. Never tried it but they have always seemed like a reputable companyPersonally I think biotest is a crock of **** getting the best of uneducated supplement users. SL works. Damn well too. Aside from it not fitting into macros (bc they tack on quickly) it's the best bang for your buck. Is OL Triumph the only other realistic option?
I do not. On off days (which are my cardio days - I'm never "off") I just take 2 Tbs like the study - 1AM, 1PM.nice, you use tr1umph on off days too? was just looking into ordering some.
I could not find any lecithin granules locally, but I did find lecithin powder. It claims to be "pure lecithin" with "no fillers", but it does not like the phosphadite (sp?) contents. This is what it lists:haven't checked on this thread in a while, and thinking about getting back on PA. is everyone still using lecithin granules? or are there any new products worth checking out?
Well, the dose in grams should remain the same for powder as with granules, assuming their the same thing, just one is a powder. Some say de-oiled (which is good, the granules/powder has more PA than liquid lecithin), and some are standardized for a minimum total phosphatidites, which is also nice. However, you should be looking at 4-7% PA from lecithin granules/powder. With that in mind, to be sure you get 750mg PA (the studied dose) you want at least 18.75g lecithin, which would give you between 750-1312mg PA. For the granules, that's about 2.5tbsp. The powder may need a little less, as it'd be tighter packed, but I'm not sure.I could not find any lecithin granules locally, but I did find lecithin powder. It claims to be "pure lecithin" with "no fillers", but it does not like the phosphadite (sp?) contents. This is what it lists:
Supplement Facts
Serving size: 1200 milligrams
Serving per container: *
Amount Per Serving% Daily Value**
Total Fat <1g<2%
Total Carbohydrates <1g<1%
Phosphorous 24mg3%
Potassium <6mg<1%
Lecithin… 1200mg*
Any ideas about how that would translate to the granules dosages discussed here?
Thanks!
EDIT: It does say it is sourced from Soy
Yea, I was just researching the weight dose (grams) between the two. The granules comes out to roughly 15g per 2 TBS. The Powder comes out to jsut under 9g per TBS (8.9g), so a little bit of difference, but not a huge amount. So I am going to shoot for 1.5 TBS to start, but really need to be at 1 TBS + 2 TSP (or 5 TSP) to match the 15g raw SL dose.Well, the dose in grams should remain the same for powder as with granules, assuming their the same thing, just one is a powder. Some say de-oiled (which is good, the granules/powder has more PA than liquid lecithin), and some are standardized for a minimum total phosphatidites, which is also nice. However, you should be looking at 4-7% PA from lecithin granules/powder. With that in mind, to be sure you get 750mg PA (the studied dose) you want at least 18.75g lecithin, which would give you between 750-1312mg PA. For the granules, that's about 2.5tbsp. The powder may need a little less, as it'd be tighter packed, but I'm not sure.
I checked and the powder is de-oiled, so based on your statement that is a plus. They did say that the de-oil process used acetone, is that common?Well, the dose in grams should remain the same for powder as with granules, assuming their the same thing, just one is a powder. Some say de-oiled (which is good, the granules/powder has more PA than liquid lecithin), and some are standardized for a minimum total phosphatidites, which is also nice. However, you should be looking at 4-7% PA from lecithin granules/powder. With that in mind, to be sure you get 750mg PA (the studied dose) you want at least 18.75g lecithin, which would give you between 750-1312mg PA. For the granules, that's about 2.5tbsp. The powder may need a little less, as it'd be tighter packed, but I'm not sure.
450mg Pre, 300mg Post (or something close - going off memory). Non-Training days was AM/PM. But the new Spaniard/MaxxTor study just used one 750mg dose IIRC (still reading the full study) - so 'all at once' may be fine too.Found the study, reposting it here in case anyone else "new" needs it:
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/06/phosphatidic-acid-rising-star-on.html
At least I think that is the study you (and others) are referring to. Please let me know if I linked to the wrong one.
It does say 750mg ed. I am reading up the study to see if they split that dosage across two times or just one massive one
There's more data that supports all at once dosing450mg Pre, 300mg Post (or something close - going off memory). Non-Training days was AM/PM. But the new Spaniard/MaxxTor study just used one 750mg dose IIRC (still reading the full study) - so 'all at once' may be fine too.
450mg Pre, 300mg Post (or something close - going off memory). Non-Training days was AM/PM. But the new Spaniard/MaxxTor study just used one 750mg dose IIRC (still reading the full study) - so 'all at once' may be fine too.
Thanks. I am going to be trying an all-at-once dose tomorrow (already hit my dosage totals for today). Thanks for all of the feedbackThere's more data that supports all at once dosing
Same.I take it also all at once, treats me well
That pre workout dump is so clutchSame.
1. 3tbsp all at once with preworkout
2. wait 15 minutes
3. drop a deuce
4. go to gym
.
.
.
gainz
Thanks for the study, Spaniard. Reading right meow.
Better to do it pre-workout then when you're at the bottom position of a heavy Squat.That pre workout dump is so clutch
Is (the #2 in) #3 due to the PWO, SL, both or neither (just normal)?Same.
1. 3tbsp all at once with preworkout
2. wait 15 minutes
3. drop a deuce
4. go to gym
.
.
.
gainz
Thanks for the study, Spaniard. Reading right meow.
a little from column A, a little from column B.Is (the #2 in) #3 due to the PWO, SL, both or neither (just normal)?
You want to try something?a little from column A, a little from column B.
**** city lmao!You want to try something?
35g Sodium Bicarbonate
3 Tbs Instant Coffee
2 Tbs SL
(To be fair, SL only gives me gas, never needed a pitstop. The other two however.....!!!!!!)
Thats why I dropped SL....due to bad gas ans annoying strong aftertaste. I could kill someone with that gas lolYou want to try something?
35g Sodium Bicarbonate
3 Tbs Instant Coffee
2 Tbs SL
(To be fair, SL only gives me gas, never needed a pitstop. The other two however.....!!!!!!)
You down 35 grams of baking soda pre-workout?You want to try something?
35g Sodium Bicarbonate
3 Tbs Instant Coffee
2 Tbs SL
(To be fair, SL only gives me gas, never needed a pitstop. The other two however.....!!!!!!)
On Bench, Dead, and Squat Days - Yup. One hour Pre according to the research.You down 35 grams of baking soda pre-workout?
^^^This guy is in the know : )On Bench, Dead, and Squat Days - Yup. One hour Pre according to the research.
Because that isn't going to work lolwhy not just take salt?
Interesting. I will have to give that a shot.On Bench, Dead, and Squat Days - Yup. One hour Pre according to the research.
No.Any issue with soy lecithin causing estrogen issues
PM me if possibleAnother site has Epiq PA bogo right now just FYI.
Anyone personally used this brand? Experiences/opinions on quality/effectiveness?Another site has Epiq PA bogo right now just FYI.
It uses Mediator PA at 750mg. It's the same as everything else.Anyone personally used this brand? Experiences on effectiveness?
As one who bloats pretty bad from SL granules, $30 + BOGO is quite tempting. $15 for 4 weeks at 750mg/day.It uses Mediator PA at 750mg. It's the same as everything else.
And also, it's been verified to work by others.
When it first came out, it was 99$. It's just cheaper nowadays. Plus, it uses Mediator. Pretty sure they're required to use the proper source at the proper studied amount to include it in their product.As one who bloats pretty bad from SL granules, $30 + BOGO is quite tempting. $15 for 4 weeks at 750mg/day.
Even at $30, that's quite a bit cheaper than other capped products, which is what's making me a little wary...
Well, I am easily convinced. Just grabbed 6 bottles for $96 including shipping.When it first came out, it was 99$. It's just cheaper nowadays. Plus, it uses Mediator. Pretty sure they're required to use the proper source at the proper studied amount to include it in their product.
It is owned by Iovate just like MuscleTech. It is legitAnyone personally used this brand? Experiences/opinions on quality/effectiveness?
Wow, so it's literally the exact same product as MT PhosphaGrow, which goes for $45?It is owned by Iovate just like MuscleTech. It is legit
Correct. Although Epiq PA uses slightly different ingredients in unknown doses. (Longjack, Astralagus)Wow, so it's literally the exact same product as MT PhosphaGrow, which goes for $45?
YepWow, so it's literally the exact same product as MT PhosphaGrow, which goes for $45?
29mg total for those 2Correct. Although Epiq PA uses slightly different ingredients in unknown doses. (Longjack, Astralagus)
Assuming the Epiq really has 750mg PA, I don't see much difference at all. (Not sure why the Epiq needed Ace-K though...)Correct. Although Epiq PA uses slightly different ingredients in unknown doses. (Longjack, Astralagus)
Haha, just had to clarify it's not the EXACT same. But we both know why we would use either product.Yep
29mg total for those 2, just for brand differentiation