I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

halfhuman said:
Started at 4 and it was good. At 5 I'm noticing much more muscle fullness and strength increase.
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Stop tempting me to go up in dosing!

#OffToOrderMoreSL

P.S. I'm at 4 tbsp right now and loving it
 
Danes has been suggesting people try higher doses of PA for a long time now. He corresponded with the author of the major PA study about the potential value of running a higher dose. The expert suggested there would be a proportionate increase in benefits at a higher dose.
 
5tbsp prewo, 6ft 210lb, Im about 12-15% bf

Yeah Danes has certainly pushed the high dosing, but IMO its a good idea to work up rather than jumping straight in, especially if you havnt run PA previously. If anything starting 'low' will give you an appreciation of 'high' when/if you increase.
 
5'10" 160lbs (~8-10% bf or so). I've been running 3 tbsp pre-workout (or 1x per day on rest days) recently and enjoying it. I've gone up to 3 pre and 2 post a few times though, and will likely do 5 total a day from now on. I don't really see a need to go >3 tbsp at one time though, although I've never tried it.
 
my 2 tubs of the fearns came in today almost done with my first bottle of king v2

next bottle il add a tbspoon or a tbspoon and half to the king
 
Started at 2 pre, now at 2 pre and 1 post. Noticeable muscle fullness hours after my workout. I'm at 196 and cutting down.
 
Well, I'm at 8-10% bf so maybe I'll try upping the dosage next week and see how it goes. Thanks for the info, brehs.
 
Lynks8 said:
Well, I'm at 8-10% bf so maybe I'll try upping the dosage next week and see how it goes. Thanks for the info, brehs.
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Let me know how it works for you.
I cant describe how much I love my 4g dose of PA each day. Musclefullness is wooah
 
Lynks8 said:
Well, I'm at 8-10% bf so maybe I'll try upping the dosage next week and see how it goes. Thanks for the info, brehs.
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I'm 5'10" 160lbs at ~8-10% bf, and I can say that 3 tbsp > 2 tbsp, and I'm planning on going up to 5 tbsp (3 pre and 2 post) as soon as I can find some granules up in Canada. In my experience (King V1 and V2, PhosphaMuscle -and briefly double dosing PM- and lecithin granules at at least 2 tbsp), more is better when it comes to PA.
 
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These look different than fearns ... Either way, started 3tbsp today pre workout. Will report back
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm 5'10" 160lbs at ~8-10% bf, and I can say that 3 tbsp > 2 tbsp, and I'm planning on going up to 5 tbsp (3 pre and 2 post) as soon as I can find some granules up in Canada. In my experience (King V1 and V2, PhosphaMuscle -and briefly double dosing PM- and lecithin granules at at least 2 tbsp), more is better when it comes to PA.
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Right on. I have noticed that 3>2 as well. I wonder at what point one would hit diminishing returns and/or unintended side-effects. Only one way to find out, I guess!


kbayne said:
I'm on a mini cut right now and have no issues.
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Same. But I am taking PES shift as well, which for me has been a potent appetite suppressant.
 
Lynks8 said:
wonder at what point one would hit diminishing returns and/or unintended side-effects.
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1:no sides from PA at all
2:converting to LPA and LPA activating mTOR, there should NOT be diminishing returns . Actually opposite. Longer you run PA (activate mTOR),better results would be . I see no reason to take breaks after 2-3 months (as long as there is no stomach issues from granules and no money issues)
 
NewAgeMayan said:
what amount of phosphamuscle were you thinking of dosing?
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Right now I am using:
-10 caps of phospha Muscle (that means 2 servings) total=1.5g PA
- 6 caps Micro-PA (1 serving) total=750mg PA
and I am getting about 2g PA from SL.
Total= about 4g PA

3g pre and 1g after workout
 
Danes said:
Right now I am using:
-10 caps of phospha Muscle (that means 2 servings) total=1.5g PA
- 6 caps Micro-PA (1 serving) total=750mg PA
and I am getting about 2g PA from SL.
Total= about 4g PA

3g pre and 1g after workout
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I suspect the tart cherry is a relatively benign ingredient? I mean, its something pretty 'safe' to be taking at that higher dose you are? Do you know much about it?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I suspect the tart cherry is a relatively benign ingredient? I mean, its something pretty 'safe' to be taking at that higher dose you are? Do you know much about it?
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My friend, 480mg tart cherry in 5 caps. 10 caps= 960mg tart cherry.
Solaray (just an example) suggesting 2 caps 2 times daily (1 cap 425mg tart cherry). Seen other suggesting 3g too.

So I believe I am pretty "safe".:)
 
Danes said:
My friend, 480mg tart cherry in 5 caps. 10 caps= 960mg tart cherry.
Solaray (just an example) suggesting 2 caps 2 times daily (1 cap 425mg tart cherry). Seen other suggesting 3g too.

So I believe I am pretty "safe".:)
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Oh sweet as, I was just considering doing n experimental run with some PM myself, but I dont know much about it (tart cherry) and what kind of doses woud be cosindered standard.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Oh sweet as, I was just considering doing n experimental run with some PM myself, but I dont know much about it and what kind of doses woud be cosindered standard.
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But i am not sure if tart cherry (which has anti infl. Effect) would gave negative impact consuming prior and after workout.
 
Well, bumped it up to 5 tbsp today (3.5 pre, 1.5 post wkout).

Not sure if this was just an anomaly or what, but pumps were ridiculous for what was otherwise an average workout.

I'll repeat this protocol over the next week to see what happens.

If pump is part of your goal, dosing more SL pre vs post may be the way to go.

I continue to notice that as far as performance goes, endurance in the way of extra sets/reps is more profound than strength gains.

That said, I am progressing in strength as well, but I attribute this more to improvements made from the greater volume overall.
 
kboxer7 said:
Well, bumped it up to 5 tbsp today (3.5 pre, 1.5 post wkout).

Not sure if this was just an anomaly or what, but pumps were ridiculous for what was otherwise an average workout.

I'll repeat this protocol over the next week to see what happens.

If pump is part of your goal, dosing more SL pre vs post may be the way to go.

I continue to notice that as far as performance goes, endurance in the way of extra sets/reps is more profound than strength gains.

That said, I am progressing in strength as well, but I attribute this more to improvements made from the greater volume overall.
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How close to your workout is your prewo dose?
 
Hmmm, regarding the pump phenomena (which alot of people seem to be reporting) I wonder how reliable it is as an indicator that a decent amount of the prewo dose is in fact being digested in a timely manner, timely enough for acute effects (such as the enhanced pump)?

There is, of course, the possibility that to some extent previous dosages are playing a role via something of a saturation effect.
 
I take my dose 15-20 pre.

Why are some of you taking some post? Isn't it better, the more pre the better?
 
halfhuman said:
I take my dose 15-20 pre.

Why are some of you taking some post? Isn't it better, the more pre the better?
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Taking more than 2g of PA, its not bad idea taking it post too. Studies are showing PA is activating mTOR anyway (without physical stressors such as workout, but would work best taking pre due to enzymes that are released during the exercise and they convert more of PA into LPA, and then LPA activating mTOR) but taking post would give you even longer period of mTOR activating :)

Lets say you want to take 10g PA daily, i believe it would be best to spread it thru the day BUT a big dose should be pre!
But below 2g ,I would just take it pre
 
Even more good reason why SL granules are good to go:

the addition of head groups to the PA molecule (phosphatidylcholine (PC), phosphatidylserine (PS), phosphatidylethanolamine (PE) or phosphatidylinositol (PI)), have a similar ability to activate mTOR signaling
 
Have you guys been doising on an an empty stomach? Most days I might have to take my SL right after my pre workout meal.
 
Danes said:
Even more good reason why SL granules are good to go:

the addition of head groups to the PA molecule (phosphatidylcholine (PC), phosphatidylserine (PS), phosphatidylethanolamine (PE) or phosphatidylinositol (PI)), have a similar ability to activate mTOR signaling
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Good point. I tried a couple of weeks back to figure out how much added "PA" content these other mTOR signaling molecules would add to our 7% assumption for most granules, but was told that PS in particular was only present in very small concentrations (less than 1%).
 
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