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IBE Formex - Oral Formestane MCPE

buster0371 said:
seems like you always get a second wind going huh?
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Definately the most notable effect so far is endurance in the gym. I'm used to an intense "ON" feeling and "rip someone's face off" aggression from formestane. I haven't felt those much, but I'm sort of liking the "mildness" of the low dosed Formex. I know everyone wants to be hardcore with everything but this is a nice mild boost in the gym and bedroom. Unless I'm gonna gain 10 pounds of pure lean mass, I don't need a supplement to run my life.
 
"I don't need a supplement to run my life."

That is a great statement right there Celc!!
 
Day 13

Glad you fellas are enjoying the log :D I suppose Formex occasionally makes me say something clever :dunno: .... .... .... :laugh:

Day 13

Tuesday, April 7, 2009

1 cap Formex 8am
1 cap Formex noon
1 cap Formex 4pm

Today's workout was a pretty brutal quad workout. I've been doing squats with a 1-2 second pause at parallel. This is supposed to help my explosiveness "out of the gait" with my deadlift goals for the future. Finished off the workout strong, as has been the case with Formex throughout the log.

In case anyone noticed my body comp updates on post #2 page 1, I lost 4 pounds this week. I have 8 meals per day planned. I think I missed only 1 of those meals this week, so that was key in the weight loss.

But 4 pounds in 1 week is too fast IMO, as demonstrated by losing a bit of lean mass. So I made some adjustments to my diet to address the problem. Instead of 20g pro/ 20g carb for breakfast shake and post workout shake, I boosted both of those to 30/30. That's about 160 cals per day extra and should help to keep lean mass at bay as fat continues to drop.

I also suspect that poor sleep patterns may be playing a role in the slight loss of lean mass. I need to man up and get to bed earlier for sure.
 
I'm thinking the Formex would make a GREAT stack with a natty like Drive, MassFX, DTH, etc...just to give you a bit of an "ON" feeling.
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GotTest said:
I'm thinking the Formex would make a GREAT stack with a natty like Drive, MassFX, DTH, etc...just to give you a bit of an "ON" feeling.
:dl:
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I'm running Formex with DTH currently (day 9). Increased aggression and endurance in the gym has been most noticeable thus far.
 
hey man, it seems like you might be starting to like this. btw dreamweaver ran td form at a low dose for a long time with good results, maybe this is the way to go for maybe 3 month runs? as always another great celc5 log.:cheers:
 
GotTest said:
I'm thinking the Formex would make a GREAT stack with a natty like Drive, MassFX, DTH, etc...just to give you a bit of an "ON" feeling.
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When BigT and I started to bring formestane talk over to AM, there were a few people that liked it stacked with Stimmed Blue Up and Activate Extreme. IME, stacking test boosters with transdermal form was not necessary since the form overshadowed any of the test boosters effects.

IMO, my fav form stacks are with thermogenics such as Meltdown or Ephedrine. Also IMO, the milder Formex might stack nicely with things you have mentioned or maybe some res products like Reverse or Stoked if that sort of thing is your bag baby :D

Gator Alum 03 said:
I'm running Formex with DTH currently (day 9). Increased aggression and endurance in the gym has been most noticeable thus far.
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Nice bro! Sounds like you're on the same page as GotTest! ...I dunno if that's a good thing or something you need to see a doctor about :dunno: .................... :laugh:

learn said:
Or AxisLabs Hypertest
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I hope to try that one soon, if for nothing else the fun libido boost :D I'd also like to try Hemadraulix for a non-stim preworkout option :think: I dunno, just thinking out loud I guess.

mattikus said:
Stop staying up to watch soft porn Celc! It's never satisfying anyway.. Go to bed!:laugh:
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Ha! Porn, Family Guy, and Robot Chicken are my late night down fall!

thebigt said:
hey man, it seems like you might be starting to like this. btw dreamweaver ran td form at a low dose for a long time with good results, maybe this is the way to go for maybe 3 month runs? as always another great celc5 log.:cheers:
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Ya, this feel is totally different than the aggressiveness of TD form. Even a low dose TD packs an immediate punch. But, I'm digging the overall mild effect of Formex and it seems to be helping with decreasing bodyfat. The libido boost isn't there, but I have to say that I definately see a performance improvement in the bedroom. Again this a mild option, but it's a nice option to have IMO. The next week or 2 will allow me to assess strength changes as well.
 
at this time, what does 100 mgs per day of Formex translate into TD dosage? I know that is odd wording, is it equivalent to about 50-75 mgs per day, etc. thanks.
 
Hemadraulix is on my list

I just ordered sum :D


hope my formex came today ??????????


lol
 
isoc said:
at this time, what does 100 mgs per day of Formex translate into TD dosage? I know that is odd wording, is it equivalent to about 50-75 mgs per day, etc. thanks.
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I haven't went to 100mgs of Formex yet. But I understand what you're asking. First off, I'll be able to more clearly answer this question at the end of the log as effects seem to be building slowly.

At this point, I'd say the effects are pretty different than TD form. TD form at a low dose gives an immediate aggression and libido boost for me, let's say at 40mg TD twice per day. Formex is a much much "smoother" mild boost noticed moreso with gym endurance. It's a nice light alternative for estrogen control IMO.
 
thanks for the reply, pretty much what I gathererd from your log, by the way, nice detail and updates, very easy to follow and understandable.
 
correction on my last statement:

I am not very impressed with formex due to what I hear from other peoples logs and reviews
 
buster0371 said:
correction on my last statement:

I am not very impressed with formex due to what I hear from other peoples logs and reviews
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Understandable; however, the log are less than or right at 2 weeks. Do me a favor and wait until people give their final thoughts on how it went. Give the product a chance to work its charm; nothing comes too fast.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Understandable; however, the log are less than or right at 2 weeks. Do me a favor and wait until people give their final thoughts on how it went. Give the product a chance to work its charm; nothing comes too fast.
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thats true. i will see how people like it after they are completely done with the run.
 
celc5 said:
That's probably the best way to use it. Especially in the summer when you're cutting... let's look at it this way, form helps to maintain strength even when you're skimping on carbs. And let's say you have an ephedrine stash or become a thermogenic junky... form helps to keep libido rockin when you're all stimmed out. So yes, IMO a bridge between cycles during the summer is a good formestane strategy.
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well i'm going to use this this summer coming off my cut to maintain the muscle while i stay on low carbs to keep the bf% low through summer. great log btw very informative
 
Iron Lungz said:
Understandable; however, the log are less than or right at 2 weeks. Do me a favor and wait until people give their final thoughts on how it went. Give the product a chance to work its charm; nothing comes too fast.
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Agreed. Today is only day 14. IMO Formex has a nice mild feel and is pretty different than TD formestane in terms of effects. Both have their place IMO and it's nice to have a lot of options.

Buster,
At the end of my log, I am going to go through some comparisons to all the other AI's I've used to list pros and cons of all our OTC AI options. With my current recomp goals, you can't argue with the change in bodyfat percentage in only 11 days. Keep an eye on those stats, the numbers don't lie. And I promise that I won't bullshiit to hype a product no matter how much it costs or if it was a sponsored agreement.
 
The end result is what we are after here...let's see how it stacks up when all is said and done!!
 
celc5 said:
And I promise that I won't bullshiit to hype a product no matter how much it costs or if it was a sponsored agreement.
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And this is why I selected you, as well as all the other testers... no hype, no bullshit - just an unbiased view. What good would it do me (IBE) to have fake feedback? None. We cannot grow as a compnay without honest feedback.
 
celc5 said:
I haven't went to 100mgs of Formex yet. But I understand what you're asking. First off, I'll be able to more clearly answer this question at the end of the log as effects seem to be building slowly.

At this point, I'd say the effects are pretty different than TD form. TD form at a low dose gives an immediate aggression and libido boost for me, let's say at 40mg TD twice per day. Formex is a much much "smoother" mild boost noticed moreso with gym endurance. It's a nice light alternative for estrogen control IMO.
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that is exactly my thoughts about formex after reading your log. if you want hardcore formestane results it looks like td is still the way to go, at least imo. i see situations where either formex or td form would be a plus.
 
Seems like td form is kinda like 'formestane prop' or 'suspension' and formex is like 'formestane enanthate' or cyp.
 
mattikus said:
Seems like td form is kinda like 'formestane prop' or 'suspension' and formex is like 'formestane enanthate' or cyp.
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too bad im not familiar with those comparisons. LOL

but yes celic i do appreciate the honest feedback and your right on the bf%. The final review will tell a lot.
 
I see a lot of talk in here about people getting "instant feedback" from transdermal formestane. This has to be placebo. No matter what delivery method you use, transdermal, oral, intra-muscular injection, even if you shot it straight IV...you will not see immediate effects. This is just not how aromatase inhibition works.

There is no fast elicited effect from an AI. First it must absorb, whether it be by the skin, stomach, intestine, muscle, whatever. This takes time. Then it must travel to site of action. This takes time. Then it must inhibit aromatase. This takes time. Then negative feedback mechanisms sense low estrogen so test begins building. This takes time. Then test must transcribe rna to make proteins, this takes time.

I could look up all the average times it takes for each of those processes if need be, but I can assure you it is no where near 30 minutes.

It is crazy to think this happens in 30 minutes. The time difference for Formex and TD Formestane to cause an increase in test is negligible.

Trauma1 say euphoric effects on only 25mg. Granted, everyone reacts different. I feel that 75mg may be a bit much unless you are on a cycle causing a lot of aromatasation, and this could be the reason for no libido change.

Also your lack of quality of sleep is probably the biggest cause for the no libido change, formex aside. That is taking a toll on your natural test levels. I can tell you that just from numerous times of getting blood work done and trying different things. You should be happy you have a libido at all with habits rough sleep habits.
 
I think that part of the 'rush' that people experience is simply the effect of the transdermal carrier penetrating the bloodstream, which can cause some vasodilation and warmth. But idk, I do seem to notice effects from form rather quickly with td delivery, but it does not last that long. Placebo? Very possible.. but a good one:)
 
NattyDisaster, what is your past experience with formestane? Feel free to share your delivery method of choice, dosages, and response in terms of libido, strength, and body composition.

I am respectful in my logs. Be careful when you challenge the accuracy of my posts that elaborate on my past experiences.
 
mattikus said:
I think that part of the 'rush' that people experience is simply the effect of the transdermal carrier penetrating the bloodstream, which can cause some vasodilation and warmth. But idk, I do seem to notice effects from form rather quickly with td delivery, but it does not last that long. Placebo? Very possible.. but a good one:)
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There's a very good chance that there is something in the transdermal carrier or something else in the formula that is acting like a stimulant. Take some caffeine with formex if that's the big difference you are missing from TD form. As far as aromatase inhibition goes, which is what the product is for, it should be spot on.
 
could one use both TD form and formex, but at lower doses since they will be used together? Or is this ultimately pointless?
 
buster0371 said:
could one use both TD form and formex, but at lower doses since they will be used together? Or is this ultimately pointless?
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I wouldnt...but Im sure someone will try it eventually. I was taking 50mg of formex and started getting very slightly dry joints like i do when i take too much arimidex. I am not on any prohormones. So i bumped it down to 25mg and I am good to go. My libido was way up on 50mg though, and the joint tenderness was tolerable. I will try going back up to 50mg and upping my water intake.
 
nattydisaster said:
There's a very good chance that there is something in the transdermal carrier or something else in the formula that is a stimulant.
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I disagree. I trust that NP does not put stimulants in Penetrate or in their Bulk Formestane powder. The TD formestane rush is a REAL phenomena that we experience and is NOT a placebo in any way.

buster0371 said:
could one use both TD form and formex, but at lower doses since they will be used together? Or is this ultimately pointless?
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I don't think that's necessary brotha. I'm having some nice body comp changes with Formex. Both options have their place depending on what your goals are.

nattydisaster said:
I was taking 50mg of formex and started getting very slightly dry joints like i do when i take too much arimidex.
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This is a good point. I've neglected to mention that I have not had any joint issues with Formex to this point. That's a good thing because I've had joint issues with 6oxo in the past, and it's something that can interfere with workouts.
 
Awesome log
Great discussions

Could not be more interested
 
celc5 said:
I disagree. I trust that NP does not put stimulants in Penetrate or in their Bulk Formestane powder. The TD formestane rush is a REAL phenomena that we experience and is NOT a placebo in any way.



This is a good point. I've neglected to mention that I have not had any joint issues with Formex to this point. That's a good thing because I've had joint issues with 6oxo in the past, and it's something that can interfere with workouts.
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I didn't really mean there was an actual stimulant in the formula per se, but I meant more that there is a good chance that one of the listed ingredients of the transdermal matrix gives that effect on the body.

Try some straight penetrate one day ;)

Although I did see they just changed the formula.

AIs and joints is different for every person, but that's good that you haven't had any issues!
 
Day 15

To this point, this log has been mature, insightful, and represents the type of learning and discussion that AnabolicMinds is all about. Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall for immature bickering and misinformation to be spread around.

These are the ground rules as of right now. Reps, most of us have ran transdermal formestane and know that it is totally badass. To come out with Formex expecting us to ignore TD formestane is like coming out with a computer and being offended when others root for MAC or PC. Do not bash TD formestane in my thread. Do not make outlandish claims about Formex. Do not insult me in my log and then rep me afterwards to try to try to make up for it.

Members, if you are dissatisfied with my results from Formex, you can take a hike as well. Formex is instigating some kick asss results as demonstrated by my body composition changes and ferocious endurance in the gym. IBE has certainly improved upon bioavailability over bulk oral formestane. It's a great product and has it's place as a supplemental option. Try Formex before you judge it and respect the company for introducing an innovative delivery system.

Day 15

Thursday, April 9, 2009

1 Cap Formex 8am
1 Cap Formex 4pm

Today's workout endurance was through the roof. I did cardio for 20 minutes and lifted for 1 hour. I had to force myself to leave the gym because my instincts are telling me to be careful of overtraining. The only supplements that have given me better workout endurance are Havoc and ephedrine. This endurance is no joke, not hype, just a 100% honest report of what I'm experiencing.

Gyno issues haven't changed much. Sensations are sharper but less intense. I dunno if that makes any sense at all LOL :dunno:

Bedroom performance was slightly enhanced last night. I did notice that load size in the condom was bit heavier, maybe by about 2 gallons :run: :laugh: Nah, seriously... it was a little bigger load and looked to be a little thicker too.

My girl says my balls are hanging lower. But I'm the one with my hand down my pants all the time so my opinion is the one that should count :nana:
 
Thanks for the detailed condom picture.. I think Lol

Yep, this the age of the formestane wars..

Big difference now then 6 months ago when almost nobody could get it.
 
nattydisaster said:
I didn't really mean there was an actual stimulant in the formula per se, but I meant more that there is a good chance that one of the listed ingredients of the transdermal matrix gives that effect on the body.

Try some straight penetrate one day ;)

Although I did see they just changed the formula.

AIs and joints is different for every person, but that's good that you haven't had any issues!
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I've use TD Form about 4-5 different times and with DIFFERENT carriers. It ain't the carrier man...it's the Formestane.:wink1:
 
You know, when I was using TD-Form at a high dosage, I would get this really odd high-like feeling after application. It wasn't a euphoria, but just a very lifting feeling. Weird. I have some around, I should try it and see if I get it this time... :think:

Keep doing what you're doing, CelC!
 
Iron Lungz said:
You know, when I was using TD-Form at a high dosage, I would get this really odd high-like feeling after application. It wasn't a euphoria, but just a very lifting feeling. Weird. I have some around, I should try it and see if I get it this time... :think:

Keep doing what you're doing, CelC!
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Whoa, let me expand a bit on this... I get the same feeling after I take 25mg of Ephedrine as well. I wonder if it has anything to do with up-regulation by the adrenals? Ahhh sh*t, it's off to research this until I have an answer!
Damn it, my wife is going to kill me! :D
 
just seen this..nice log. My formex should be on its way soon. I'll post my results as well.
 
Great Log. Any thoughts on stacking this with Bulk Nettle or Activate Extreme - protect the prostate and hair from Test conversion to DHT and binding (reduced levels via Formex) of SHBG.
 
Matt,
right on! I remember a few years ago when I first ran form and didn't know what it was. The first words of my uneducated BN review were something like "Whoa! This is some crazy shiit!" :laugh:

Geek,
bought time brotha!

GT,
Agreed!

Buster,
u bet. I'll post after pics, do another skinfold, and post a thorough review.

Iron,
Thanks for the support! Keep us posted on what you find out.

M16,
Welcome! Once you get started, feel free to add any of your thoughts. Btw, your back pic is crazy! :head:

Jtt,
it was pretty popular before formestane got scarce to stack with free test boosters. IME, I like form solo because I feel that the formestane effects overshadow the test boosters. But, there's many many people that like the stack that you suggested and it would be a totally reasonable stack IMO.
 
Wow... there is a lot of back and forth that just isn't required in this log. Celc, natty was simply stating why it isn't possible to feel form in 30 minutes, if you wish to debate him, then do so. Quit trying to lay the proverbial smack down when he stated his side. I personally felt no "Uplifting" or whatever you want to call it from TD Form, and I have ran it many time.

No outlandish claims were made... simple real effects we drawn.

And GotTest, I hope you realize that 95% of TD Carriers out there utilize the same vasodialation enhancers, and penetration transports. So your call on using 5 different carriers and feeling the need to capitalize the word DIFFERENT is pretty incessant.

Don't take this as bashing or uplifting your take on TD Form, I love Form, in all shapes and sizes. I firmly believe you felt the rush you describe, everyones body chemistry is different and will illicit different effects. But if someone comes in and debates a bit, or shares knowledge they find to be true, either disprove them, or move on. No reason to play the call out game. No one was attacking any one here.

Adams
 
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