How to "pulse" orals

good to see Dr. D posting again at full strength.

im still waiting on my monies to get straightened around, but ill hopefully be pulsing some EPI before i leave for college in late august / september, if something happens financially though i may wait untill im settled in at college before i start.

maybe to curb some repeat questions, different cycles should be posted in the first post of this thread, something like a "base" pulse cycle, and then maybe 1-2 other cycles with different supps added in that ive seen mentioned in here, that would be great.

no loading on CS then? i may only have to buy one jug of it now, lol.
 
Started my pulse of SD/PP at 22.5/10 mg seemed to agree well with me. 15 mg of SD about 2:30pm followed by another 7.5mg right b4 8pm workout. Great 3 hours followed by post meal,shake, and 10mg PP and fell asleep like a champ. Glad I took most of the SD early as the stims had me going pretty good for a while. Any problem with splitting up the SD dosages like this?
 
Cool said:
This looks great. I've been trying to get all the angles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were supposed to space out your doses of orals so that you body could replenish the enzymes you need to use them? That's a very simple way to put a good bit of info I think I kind of understood. Would dosing before and after workouts change this? And what about days you don't lift? Is spacing doses out needed then?
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The more evenly spaced, the more efficient the anabolism, but also the greater the time of suppression and the greater the odds of a weak bounce. It's a balancing act. I would take 2 doses max on w/o days and keep them to within 3hrs of each other (as a general rule) but you may be able to get away with softer rules using different products. I would start doing it by the books just to get your system down at first and then loosen up over time to see what I could really get away with.
 
Nogrinia said:
Started my pulse of superdrol/PP at 22.5/10 mg seemed to agree well with me. 15 mg of SD about 2:30pm followed by another 7.5mg right b4 8pm workout. Great 3 hours followed by post meal,shake, and 10mg PP and fell asleep like a champ. Glad I took most of the SD early as the stims had me going pretty good for a while. Any problem with splitting up the SD dosages like this?
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Hmmm, not a problem if your endocrine system lets you get away with it! You may not get a huge bounce though, just experiment a little and see I guess. I would think you could probably do it this way, but instead of 6-8wks, 4wks might be better if you split up doses like you plan to. You're kinda starting to move out of bounce territory with this a little, but it's a cool variant and maybe you're on to something! :)
 
DR.D said:
Hmmm, not a problem if your endocrine system lets you get away with it! You may not get a huge bounce though, just experiment a little and see I guess. I would think you could probably do it this way, but instead of 6-8wks, 4wks might be better if you split up doses like you plan to. You're kinda starting to move out of bounce territory with this a little, but it's a cool variant and maybe you're on to something! :)
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I split my SD dose (of 20mg) yesterday. 10mg at noon, and 10mg at 5pm (I also wanted to see/remember how much SD only "set me back").
Honestly, I didn't feel anything when I dosed at Noon, nor did I at 5pm. (I still took my d-bol with the 5pm dose od SD)
I DID "feel" the effects when I took 20mg at one time before working out. .....for whatever that's worth :think:

Anyways, about the time spacing using ph's...
I have the M14ADD (diol), 30mg caps. I beleive the conversion can be settled at 10%,.. am I robbing myself by taking my 3 caps (90mg) all at one time? ... I guess what I mean is,
DO I have enough conversion enzyme to process all that (Im sure I do though) at one time?
 
xtraflossy said:
What have you seen from your pulse? what are your doses?
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Sorry it took so long to reply. I'm taking 30mg 4x/week. So far I've gained 6lbs- I'm not saying I received all that just from SD bc I did add alot of extra carbs an protein to my diet which I'm sure contributed alot. My strength has also went up pretty remarkably for only 14 days in the cycle. My libido is just as high as when I started.
 
Hey Dr.D, I just caught up with this post. I like the idea here.

I'm late to the party and haven't read the entire thread, but I'd like to contribute by saying I know Dr.D's idea here is worthy because that is how some potent immune suppressant drugs are dosed -- in pulses. Some are just taken once per week. It's considered an excellent way to avoid side effects yet still reap therapeutic effect.

Every so often I find someone who's either got a stash of M1T or has found a means of getting it. They are dead set on using it, despite having other things available. That said, I tell them to try dosing 2-3 times per week max. I honestly think with that monster you can take a single 5mg tab per week and get an appreciable and noteworthy effect without reaching that dog-**** state. I wish I still had some or I would try it myself.
 
xtraflossy said:
... I guess what I mean is,
DO I have enough conversion enzyme to process all that (Im sure I do though) at one time?
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I don't think your robing yourself because it's active unconverted too. I have never exceeded 60mg though so I'm not sure about the 90. Made me kind of aggressive higher than that as I remember.
 
rhinochaser48 said:
Hey Dr.D, I just caught up with this post. I like the idea here.

I'm late to the party and haven't read the entire thread, but I'd like to contribute by saying I know Dr.D's idea here is worthy because that is how some potent immune suppressant drugs are dosed -- in pulses. Some are just taken once per week. It's considered an excellent way to avoid side effects yet still reap therapeutic effect.

Every so often I find someone who's either got a stash of M1T or has found a means of getting it. They are dead set on using it, despite having other things available. That said, I tell them to try dosing 2-3 times per week max. I honestly think with that monster you can take a single 5mg tab per week and get an appreciable and noteworthy effect without reaching that dog-**** state. I wish I still had some or I would try it myself.
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Hey rhino, where ya been my friend? Yes, immuno-suppressive corticoid therapy was my inspiration for this method in fact! Really nasty stuff like M1T could be well applied to this protocol I think just like you hypothesize.
 
My Epi Pulse

I've been following this post for awhile and just started an Epistane pulse cycle last Tuesday. The pulse will go as follows:

Wk 1: (Tue: 10 mg/pre) (Thurs: 10 mg/pre 10 mg/post) (Saturday: 20 mg/pre 10 mg/post)

Wk 2: 20 mg/pre - 10mg/post

Wk 3: 20 mg/pre - 10mg/post

Wk 4: 20 mg/pre - 20mg/post

Wk 5: 20 mg/pre - 20mg/post

Wk 6: 30 mg/pre - 20mg/post

Wk 7: 30 mg/pre - 30mg/post

Wk 8: (Tues: 30 mg/pre - 20mg/post) (Thurs: 20mg/pre 10 mg/post) (Saturday: 10 mg/pre)

It has been about 1 1/2 years since my last cycle and I'm currently 5' 11'' 195 lbs @ 8-9% BF.

After reading through this threat I have a couple questions that have sorta been covered but, I want to confirm.

1) I'm working out 3x a week (Tue,Thurs,Sat) and for the first week I have been taking the preworkout dose around 1 hour before my workout. My workouts generally last 35-60 minutes and I have been taking the postworkout dose around 20 minutes after the workout. Dr D and anyone else who would like to comment: Do you think this dosing time period is ok or would you dose the pre earlier,post later,etc.....?

2) Also do you think the dosage(mg) amount combined with the length of the pulse ok?

I look forward to the feedback and welcome any suggestions.
 
LKL, that looks well planned to me and I think you'll get a high efficiency gain. You may be able to improve that yield a bit by specific modifications of those parameters, but the way you have it now is a solid starting point for certain.
 
This is a great tread. Thanks Dr. D.

I'm planning on doing an Epistane pulse cycle like LowKeyLifter. I've noticed some guys wanting to take a test booster on off days. My idea is to take IGF-2 from AppliedNutriceuticals on off days.

What do you think?
 
DR.D said:
LKL, that looks well planned to me and I think you'll get a high efficiency gain. You may be able to improve that yield a bit by specific modifications of those parameters, but the way you have it now is a solid starting point for certain.
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Thanks for the speedy feedback Dr. D! However, you got me curious now. If you don't mind, let me know what modifications you would apply here. Whenever you get a chance of course.
 
SanClem said:
This is a great tread. Thanks Dr. D.

I'm planning on doing an Epistane pulse cycle like LowKeyLifter. I've noticed some guys wanting to take a test booster on off days. My idea is to take IGF-2 from AppliedNutriceuticals on off days.

What do you think?
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Sounds good. I haven't tried IGF2, but I have used their cissus and creatine products and really enjoyed them.
 
LowKeyLifter said:
Thanks for the speedy feedback Dr. D! However, you got me curious now. If you don't mind, let me know what modifications you would apply here. Whenever you get a chance of course.
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Well, I may kick it up to 40mg by week 3 instead of waiting till week 4, for example, but that's just an efficiency thing. If your plan yields 90% maximum efficiency let's say, timing, meals, doses, etc. can add the last 5-10% but you can't really go wrong the way you have it now. You have a very solid foundation my friend and that's a good place to start as is.
 
DR.D said:
Hmmm, not a problem if your endocrine system lets you get away with it! You may not get a huge bounce though, just experiment a little and see I guess. I would think you could probably do it this way, but instead of 6-8wks, 4wks might be better if you split up doses like you plan to. You're kinda starting to move out of bounce territory with this a little, but it's a cool variant and maybe you're on to something! :)
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Yeah I was thinking more and more about it before you replied, I did this (SD/PP) on Wed. Fri. tweaked a little-took 7.5mg at 5pm & 15mg preworkout. Also upped starting does from 15/10 to 22.5/10 since I starting that class I told you about in less than 5 weeks. I figured I'll keep it right around 4 weeks so I am even more pleased to see that is your suggestion as well. Monday though, I shall try 22.5 preworkout and 10PP post and see if I get to bed alright if not, continue to experiment with slight modifications.
 
Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

Appericate guys

Mike
 
UNCfan1 said:
Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

Appericate guys

Mike
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I don't think I have seen that just yet bro, but nice to see ya over here nonetheless. I might be able to think of somethin fun for you man, but it might take me some time lol.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

Appericate guys

Mike
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WELCOME, mike!

this is a MUCH better place for your Q! ;)
 
UNCfan1 said:
Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

Appericate guys

Mike
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I think I may have been saying that if a SERM is used, run CS and run it full strength (2 scoops/day I think). SERMs are tough on the liver and Nolva is rough on lipids too. Is Trenadrol the same active as Methoxy-TRN?
 
DR.D said:
I think I may have been saying that if a SERM is used, run CS and run it full strength (2 scoops/day I think). SERMs are tough on the liver and Nolva is rough on lipids too. Is Trenadrol the same active as Methoxy-TRN?
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Yeah thats what I have heard from Dinoiii about SERM's.

Trenadrol: 17b-methoxy-trienbolone 30mg

Not sure about Methoxy-TRN.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Yeah thats what I have heard from Dinoiii about SERM's.

Trenadrol: 17b-methoxy-trienbolone 30mg

Not sure about Methoxy-TRN.
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17b-methoxy is Supposed to be the same thing.
"noone" really knows,.. or is at least to verify the real contents of M-TRN.
Although Trenadrol/Mega-TRN, are labeled 17b-methoxy-trienbolone.

Although, 30mg dosing sounds a lot like it's 19norandrosta,4,9,diene,3,17dione, or nor-estra stuff.
There different compounds, but their action is simular
 
Ok- quick question on pulsing...

I've been looking into Havoc for a pulse (whats new right)

Would the effectivness of HAvoc be reduced when using following a dbol pulse? (since the modes of action are fairly simular, in respect to activating the ER)

thanks :D
 
DR. D Would it be silly to pulse on workout days (mon. wed. fri.) : methoxy tst, orastan-e and predator (max-lmg clone).


------ pre/post wo - pre/post wo - pre/post wo
week - predator --- orastan --- methoxy tst
**1 - 25mg/25mg - 25mg/50mg - 2mg/ 4mg
**2 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/4mg
**3 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**4 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**5 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg
**6 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg

Off days I would take Retain and Alpha Drive XL 3 caps per day of each (spaced evenly)

The thought of this intrigues me but ...???

Maybe this is ridiculous but it seems awesome to me. None of the above are methyls but still that's alot of milligrams of oral hormones all at once. I think this protocol would work well.

Anyone feel free to chime in with your thoughts... xtraflossy???
 
Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Or pulse both on workout days.

Bump for Dr.D.
 
Leggo my Ego said:
DR. D Would it be silly to pulse on workout days (mon. wed. fri.) : methoxy tst, orastan-e and predator (max-lmg clone).


------ pre/post wo - pre/post wo - pre/post wo
week - predator --- orastan --- methoxy tst
**1 - 25mg/25mg - 25mg/50mg - 2mg/ 4mg
**2 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/4mg
**3 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**4 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**5 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg
**6 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg

Off days I would take Retain and Alpha Drive XL 3 caps per day of each (spaced evenly)

The thought of this intrigues me but ...???

Maybe this is ridiculous but it seems awesome to me. None of the above are methyls but still that's alot of milligrams of oral hormones all at once. I think this protocol would work well.

Anyone feel free to chime in with your thoughts... xtraflossy???
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BUMP :wave: :think:
 
Hey D,

Great thread!! props for always comming up with great info and revamping current trents/idea's.

Quick question if you have a min.

I plan on running a 8 week pulse cycle particularly for a lean bulker/recomp. I am stacking Pheradrol & Mega-ZOL. I have had great success with Phera on bulkers (with the typical little bloat), but have never tried ZOL.

Cycle as follows:

wk 1 pp 20mg
wk 2 pp 20mg
wk 3 pp 30mg/ zol 100mg
wk 4 pp 40mg/ zol 150mg
wk 5 pp 50mg/ zol 200mg
wk 6 pp 50mg/ zol 200mg
wk 7 pp 60mg/ zol 250mg
wk 8 pp 60mg/ zol 250mg

What do you think? A little much? These would be taken on Tues, (wed occasionly) Thurs & Sat. I would be splitting the doses for pre and post workout.

I could fit into that catagory of being a little concerned about toxic build up, but i mainly want the strength & size gains that could presumably come with higher dosing.

So, just to be on the safe side, I would be running Ai's CS, Cissus, CEE and flaxseed throughout.

After reading all this, looks like I will not need post cycle therapy. If I want to stay on that safe side, could i do a small 3wk nolva/atd/retain PCT?

Also, how would JW be as a bridge vs. Mass FX? Just curious, i was thinking of saving JW for PCT and using FX as a bridge as previously stated. Could it help or hurt to do the opposite and fun fx & hd in post cycle therapy?

Im 5-6, 190lbs, 12-15% bf (guess). My as experience is phera, superdrol, and a 6wk stack of those.

I am not really prone to gyno, but balding, yes.

thanks in advance! :D
 
I just started a 6 week Furaguno/Methyl Masterdrol 4x week pulse cycle. Here is what I have outlined:

4x week/ workout days- MMdrol
1- 10mg,20mg,20mg,30mg
2- 30mg x 4
3- 30mg x 4
4- 30mg,30mg,40mg,40mg
5- 40mg x 4
6- 40mg x 4

ED for the first 4 weeks- Furaguno 99mg

3x week/ off days- 6-OXO

Support Supps:
AI Life Support
Flax Seed Oil
Double protein intake- added Goat Protein
EFX Kre-Akalyn
EFX Nytric
Multi Vitamins
Taurine- for pumps
 
I'm very interested in the idea of pulsing giving you slower gains so my joints can keep up with the strengh increase. Also little to no shut down is a sweet sounding notion which D said will let you keep your gains easier w/o post cycle therapy. OK, heres the plan, I will run Anabolic Pump at 2 caps a day every day till the bottle runs out. I also have enough pp left to run a 2 week pulse. So 2 weeks pp followed by 6 weeks Havoc. Pulse will be run on Tues, Thurs, Sat on work out days. Nonwork out days I'm planning to run nettle root w/ 6oxo to help the natural test bounce back.

Pulse outlook
wk1 pp (20,30,40)
wk2 pp 40
wk3 havoc (Should I tapper this up also?) 40
wk4 havoc 40
wk5 havoc 40
wk6 havoc 40
wk7 havoc 40
wk8 havoc 40

So how does it look, This will be a cutting cycle so I'm probably going to stay on matinance cals maybe extra carbs for the Anabolic pump. Should I add anything like retain for cortisol on off days maybe? I've read this entire thread and searched alittle but am not shure how well this combo will work, or if I should use the pp at all. Nolva still on hand just in case needed, and I will do one serving of cycle support on off days. I have plenty of time this summer so I might just log this cycle to see how well pulsing works. Any opinions or critisim is welcome.
 
Rumpnuts said:
I'm very interested in the idea of pulsing giving you slower gains so my joints can keep up with the strengh increase. Also little to no shut down is a sweet sounding notion which D said will let you keep your gains easier w/o post cycle therapy. OK, heres the plan, I will run Anabolic Pump at 2 caps a day every day till the bottle runs out. I also have enough pp left to run a 2 week pulse. So 2 weeks pp followed by 6 weeks Havoc. Pulse will be run on Tues, Thurs, Sat on work out days. Nonwork out days I'm planning to run nettle root w/ 6oxo to help the natural test bounce back.

Pulse outlook
wk1 pp (20,30,40)
wk2 pp 40
wk3 havoc (Should I tapper this up also?) 40
wk4 havoc 40
wk5 havoc 40
wk6 havoc 40
wk7 havoc 40
wk8 havoc 40

So how does it look, This will be a cutting cycle so I'm probably going to stay on matinance cals maybe extra carbs for the Anabolic pump. Should I add anything like retain for cortisol on off days maybe? I've read this entire thread and searched alittle but am not shure how well this combo will work, or if I should use the pp at all. Nolva still on hand just in case needed, and I will do one serving of cycle support on off days. I have plenty of time this summer so I might just log this cycle to see how well pulsing works. Any opinions or critisim is welcome.
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It looks good to me. I pulsed last year a lot, and am pulsing this summer also. Pulsing is awsome. In my opinion I wouldnt even use the nettle root and 6-oxo on off days. The bounce back on off days is really good. My balls are bigger pulsing than they are normally! I am not over-exagerating either. I take a nap every afternoon for a couple of hours and I always get a special visit. Even at the end of a pulse, these "special" visits are still present. I would say that you dont have to worry about it. By the third week of a pulse you feel pretty "on", even on off days. Dont worry about. I mean, I dont think all these other supps will hert. I just think you should save your money and buy more epi and superdrol, lol. JK of course, but just save the money and spend it on supps for when your not pulsing.
 
skinnyJ said:
I just started a 6 week Furaguno/Methyl Masterdrol 4x week pulse cycle. Here is what I have outlined:

4x week/ workout days- MMdrol
1- 10mg,20mg,20mg,30mg
2- 30mg x 4
3- 30mg x 4
4- 30mg,30mg,40mg,40mg
5- 40mg x 4
6- 40mg x 4

ED for the first 4 weeks- Furaguno 99mg

3x week/ off days- 6-OXO

Support Supps:
AI Life Support
Flax Seed Oil
Double protein intake- added Goat Protein
EFX Kre-Akalyn
EFX Nytric
Multi Vitamins
Taurine- for pumps
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Any opinons on this?
 
skinnyJ said:
Any opinons on this?
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Get in line man!! :trout: lol

Dr. D or someone else farmilar will chime in soon.

I'm not farmilar with your compound, but the overall scheme looks good. I plan on using a bridge too, but ill heed harold's advice, i may not even use a bridge if im feeling good. :)

Goat Protein? Just to beef up your shake? Ive hear of adding a ton of things and straight egg whey, but that i have not.
 
xtraflossy said:
Ok- quick question on pulsing...

I've been looking into Havoc for a pulse (whats new right)

Would the effectivness of HAvoc be reduced when using following a dbol pulse? (since the modes of action are fairly simular, in respect to activating the ER)

thanks :D
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Yeah, I think so. I have tried Havoc the last 2 wks but not on a pulse. It would best be applied as the pre-w/o dose of a double methyl pulse stack IMO, then using something like dbol or SD post-w/o.
 
Leggo my Ego said:
DR. D Would it be silly to pulse on workout days (mon. wed. fri.) : methoxy tst, orastan-e and predator (max-lmg clone).


------ pre/post wo - pre/post wo - pre/post wo
week - predator --- orastan --- methoxy tst
**1 - 25mg/25mg - 25mg/50mg - 2mg/ 4mg
**2 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/4mg
**3 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**4 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**5 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg
**6 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg

Off days I would take Retain and Alpha Drive XL 3 caps per day of each (spaced evenly)

The thought of this intrigues me but ...???

Maybe this is ridiculous but it seems awesome to me. None of the above are methyls but still that's alot of milligrams of oral hormones all at once. I think this protocol would work well.

Anyone feel free to chime in with your thoughts... xtraflossy???
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Looks like a good non-methyl plan! It's worth a shot for sure. Prostan always worked fast for me so I don't see why not.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Or pulse both on workout days.

Bump for Dr.D.
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Man, I just don't get the 60mg part! I thought this stuff was like 2mg/cap on most brands? I can't advise on it when I don't know what it is and haven't tried it! That makes me nervous. I don't wanna give you bad advice bro. :o
 
JZ7757 said:
Hey D,

Great thread!! props for always comming up with great info and revamping current trents/idea's.

Quick question if you have a min.

I plan on running a 8 week pulse cycle particularly for a lean bulker/recomp. I am stacking Pheradrol & Mega-ZOL. I have had great success with Phera on bulkers (with the typical little bloat), but have never tried ZOL.

Cycle as follows:

wk 1 pp 20mg
wk 2 pp 20mg
wk 3 pp 30mg/ zol 100mg
wk 4 pp 40mg/ zol 150mg
wk 5 pp 50mg/ zol 200mg
wk 6 pp 50mg/ zol 200mg
wk 7 pp 60mg/ zol 250mg
wk 8 pp 60mg/ zol 250mg

What do you think? A little much? These would be taken on Tues, (wed occasionly) Thurs & Sat. I would be splitting the doses for pre and post workout.

I could fit into that catagory of being a little concerned about toxic build up, but i mainly want the strength & size gains that could presumably come with higher dosing.

So, just to be on the safe side, I would be running Ai's CS, Cissus, CEE and flaxseed throughout.

After reading all this, looks like I will not need post cycle therapy. If I want to stay on that safe side, could i do a small 3wk nolva/atd/retain post cycle therapy?

Also, how would JW be as a bridge vs. Mass FX? Just curious, i was thinking of saving JW for post cycle therapy and using FX as a bridge as previously stated. Could it help or hurt to do the opposite and fun fx & hd in post cycle therapy?

Im 5-6, 190lbs, 12-15% bf (guess). My as experience is phera, superdrol, and a 6wk stack of those.

I am not really prone to gyno, but balding, yes.

thanks in advance! :D
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This is my favorite system (2 methyls or a methyl and non-methyl, plus an anti-cort and an AI):

ON day:
1) Dose most androgenic methyl at approximately 2X amount (or non-methyl at 1X amount) ~1hrs pre-w/o.
2) Dose cortisol antagonist at the very beginning of a 1hr w/o (or immediately after or both.)
3) Dose most anabolic of the 2 methyls at approximately 1X amount (or non-methyl at 2X amount) ~1hr post-w/o.

OFF day:
1) Dose cortisol antagonist in AM and mid to late afternoon (twice daily.)
2) Dose "suicide" type AI at bedtime utilized a low to medium dose. If you're going to use a liver protectant, this would be the time to take it too.

Personally, I have never exceeded 40mg on Phera, so I can't say I'd recommend anything over that.
 
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