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How to "pulse" orals

wow! 100 pages and still going strong. To all the doubters of pulsing this alone says alot.
HAPPY BIRHDAY THREAD 100 PAGES OLD. hahahah
 
Ninjo said:
How does everyone manage to talk their docs into giving them such extensive lab requests?! For me, it's a struggle just to get my GP to do basic annual bloodwork! I'm in Canada if it matters.

Just noticed I've kicked off the 100th page of this great thread! :woohoo:
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I think you win a prize now or something, the 100'th customer! lol

I'm not sure about Canada, but here in the US docs can be open to suggestion if you approach them intelligently and sincerely. I mean, who knows your symptoms better than you? If you have done your homework so as to substantiate your logic for requiring an extra test, many times docs are open to investigate that. If nothing else, just pay outta pocket if you would really like the testing for your own self interest.
 
DR.D said:
I think you win a prize now or something, the 100'th customer! lol

I'm not sure about Canada, but here in the US docs can be open to suggestion if you approach them intelligently and sincerely. I mean, who knows your symptoms better than you? If you have done your homework so as to substantiate your logic for requiring an extra test, many times docs are open to investigate that. If nothing else, just pay outta pocket if you would really like the testing for your own self interest.
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Exactly, as long as insurance is not involved, i.e. paying out of your own pocket, docs usually will not refuse your request. Plus, I always tell the doc that this way I can monitor my own health in a more 'scientific' manner, lol.
 
EasyEJL said:
its kind of silly to ramp up so slowly, and even sillier to go down at the end. if your plan is to hit 40, you should be hitting it by the end of second week. the whole point of the ramp up is to at first both make sure you dont have an odd reaction to the compound, and also to give yourself a chance to see if sides worsen at a higher dose. with pulsing, you may as move a bit more quickly up so at most i'd do 2 days at 10, 2 at 20, 2 at 30 and then be at 40. Personally i generally do 1 cap the first day to make sure i'm not allergic to it or having a really bad reaction, and jump to full dose next day
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One question have you ever ramped down?

Agreed with single tab first dose.

IMO ramping up up not only allows you to gauge toxicity but also you may need less of PH/DS to get same effect (fresh receptors a good thing):dance:.

Further, IMO ramping down allows the body to "come down" slowly therefore not too much of a shock. I think for me ramping down has exacerbated the post pulse feel good. For me it makes complete sense to allow the body a little more time to acclimatise to coming off by lowering dosages.

I have ramped up and down found this to be perfect in allowing the body to adapt and rediscover its own "balance".

Pulsers try it and please feedback let me know if I'm alone in this!
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EasyEJL said:
its kind of silly to ramp up so slowly, and even sillier to go down at the end. if your plan is to hit 40, you should be hitting it by the end of second week. the whole point of the ramp up is to at first both make sure you dont have an odd reaction to the compound, and also to give yourself a chance to see if sides worsen at a higher dose. with pulsing, you may as move a bit more quickly up so at most i'd do 2 days at 10, 2 at 20, 2 at 30 and then be at 40. Personally i generally do 1 cap the first day to make sure i'm not allergic to it or having a really bad reaction, and jump to full dose next day
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thanks for the advice. i'll keep this in mind and see how i feel after the first two days at 10. what you say does make sense...it's just my first experience w/ph and want to be cautious....maybe overly so:laugh:

Savantee--i still plan on ramping down..at least for a week. that makes sense as well.
 
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Ok, i placed my order. I have read different things on time to take the epi. I've been told to take it first thing in the morning and I've been told to take it prior to my workout. I work out in the evening after work. Can anyone help me out on this.

I've also read different opinions on when to take the test boosters on my days off. Should I only take them at bed time or morning, noon, and night?

I may be over thinking this...if so, please tell me so!!

Thanks again.
 
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EasyEJL said:
personally, i'd try switching off and taking epi + sd first thing in the morning AFTER the workout (not the morning of the workout days), maybe take the 2nd 10 of sd 1-2 hours later, and see if you sleep better that nite
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is this method equal or less effective that the standard doses ON WORKOUT Days? have you tried or anyone else for that matter?
 
i work out mornings, but people have pulsed off days vs on days and got similar results to pulsing on days. I was thinking the morning because since your natural GH + test production is maximized that first 2-3 hours of sleep, why mess with it with an anabolic in blood stream?
 
pacos said:
Ok, i placed my order. I have read different things on time to take the epi. I've been told to take it first thing in the morning and I've been told to take it prior to my workout. I work out in the evening after work. Can anyone help me out on this.

I've also read different opinions on when to take the test boosters on my days off. Should I only take them at bed time or morning, noon, and night?

I may be over thinking this...if so, please tell me so!!

Thanks again.
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pacos said:
Ok, i placed my order. I have read different things on time to take the epi. I've been told to take it first thing in the morning and I've been told to take it prior to my workout. I work out in the evening after work. Can anyone help me out on this.

I've also read different opinions on when to take the test boosters on my days off. Should I only take them at bed time or morning, noon, and night?

I may be over thinking this...if so, please tell me so!!

Thanks again.
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Have a look through this thread and you will find all of the information. It is best if you can take the dosage no later than 6pm however if you work out after than and cannot change your workout time there is not much you can do.

Split the dose before and after your workout and frontload if you have an unequal dose i.e. for 30mg dose take 20mg pre and 10mg post. Take test boosters are per the instructions i.e. if the supp says to split the dose throughout the day then do that.

I'm planning to do a pulse in a couple of months and will be using Cissus-Drol on my off days. I've found the best time to take the dosages are upon waking and just before bed so will be taking the doses then.

Don't over-think this, just take Epi around your workout and the test booster on off days - that's it!
 
Knowbull said:
IMO its best taken when you awaken. That way any mild stimulant effect will not wreck your sleep.
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warsteiner said:
Have a look through this thread and you will find all of the information. It is best if you can take the dosage no later than 6pm however if you work out after than and cannot change your workout time there is not much you can do.

Split the dose before and after your workout and frontload if you have an unequal dose i.e. for 30mg dose take 20mg pre and 10mg post. Take test boosters are per the instructions i.e. if the supp says to split the dose throughout the day then do that.

I'm planning to do a pulse in a couple of months and will be using Cissus-Drol on my off days. I've found the best time to take the dosages are upon waking and just before bed so will be taking the doses then.

Don't over-think this, just take Epi around your workout and the test booster on off days - that's it!
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warsteiner...i did read...but you see here what i'm talking about. two replies and two different suggestions. one says to take it in the morning and one says to take it around my workout..no later than 6pm. i'm assuming it can be done either way.

just by reading, i can see that there are many different preferences and opinions. i'll take another look thru the thread and see if one method comes up more than others.

Thanks guys...I appreciate the input!!
 
pacos said:
warsteiner...i did read...but you see here what i'm talking about. two replies and two different suggestions. one says to take it in the morning and one says to take it around my workout..no later than 6pm. i'm assuming it can be done either way.

just by reading, i can see that there are many different preferences and opinions. i'll take another look thru the thread and see if one method comes up more than others.

Thanks guys...I appreciate the input!!
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Fair enough. My understanding is that you want the PH to be as close to the workout time as possible so that you get the benefits from the PH during training. Epi has a half-life of about 6 hours so if you take it in the AM and don't train until the evening you won't get the benefits during the training session.

Give it a try each way and see what happens or if you want to make sure that you get the full benefits then maybe a straight (non-pulse) run is going to be the best option.
 
On page 81 of this thread, some people didn't believe you could not pulse 4 x a week. About half the guys on that page ripped on someone who mentioned they were going to do a 4x a week pulse. They told him it can't happen cause you don't get two days off. Well, if some of you guys played close attention to PAGE 1 of this thread, Dr. D CLEARLY shows an example of a 4 day pulse cycle with Sat., Sun., Weds, and Thurs.. That leaves Monday and Tuesday as two off days in a row. How clear is that? I think people get too excited about reading the article and focus way too much on the big picture and not enough time on the small details. Since we're talking about drugs, the small details do mean the difference between a successful cyle or a mistake that could hurt you physically.
 
Oh, and I think if your stacking a non-methylated ph/ph with a methyl steroid, you take the methylated preworkout then the ph/precursor after your workout. Please correct me if i'm wrong.
 
EasyEJL said:
really the best bet is to try both, and see which feels better
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warsteiner said:
Fair enough. My understanding is that you want the PH to be as close to the workout time as possible so that you get the benefits from the PH during training. Epi has a half-life of about 6 hours so if you take it in the AM and don't train until the evening you won't get the benefits during the training session.

Give it a try each way and see what happens or if you want to make sure that you get the full benefits then maybe a straight (non-pulse) run is going to be the best option.
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Again...thanks for the input guys!!

warsteiner...what you said makes total sense to me. I'm pretty set on pulsing my first cycle, but i'll try it a couple of days each way and see what works best for me.

I appreciate all the help from everyone!!

#3000 post in this thread!!
 
I'm going to take a stab. This question was probably asked 500 pages back lol. Can anyone reccomend a good pulse for late nighters... about 9pm at the gym?

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liddodragon said:
I'm going to take a stab. This question was probably asked 500 pages back lol. Can anyone reccomend a good pulse for late nighters... about 9pm at the gym?

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Most orals (that are pulsed) have a half-life of about 6 to 8 hours....generally speaking. You could take a dose 4 hours in advance of your workout and still reap the benefits of it. And it shouldn't bother your sleep afterwards.
With your schedule, you could take your orals at 5 in the afternoon and then go train at 9. You should then be able to sleep soundly around 11 or midnight.
I hope this helps you.
 
thundergod said:
Most orals (that are pulsed) have a half-life of about 6 to 8 hours....generally speaking. You could take a dose 4 hours in advance of your workout and still reap the benefits of it. And it shouldn't bother your sleep afterwards.
With your schedule, you could take your orals at 5 in the afternoon and then go train at 9. You should then be able to sleep soundly around 11 or midnight.
I hope this helps you.
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Thanks Thundergod u rock!

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Hey TG, I remember you mentioning having success pulsing mdht. I decided to go that route and start a 50 mg. 3X per week protocol about a week ago.

I'm currently cutting in preparation for a lean look for summer and I'd read that this compound was great for both cutting fat and improving strength during a cut.

I've noticed decent strength increases so far, some good leaning out in the stomach, and a tremendous boost in libido.

How long did you pulse this for or how long would you recommend? I have plenty to last me, as I have a 2 gram olive oil suspension as well as 25 mg caps, so I figure I prob have enough for 2 decent pulses.

Any input is appreciated as well as stacking ideas. I have a number of options, including epi, halodrol, 4AD.

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nightfly71 said:
Hey TG, I remember you mentioning having success pulsing mdht. I decided to go that route and start a 50 mg. 3X per week protocol about a week ago.

I'm currently cutting in preparation for a lean look for summer and I'd read that this compound was great for both cutting fat and improving strength during a cut.

I've noticed decent strength increases so far, some good leaning out in the stomach, and a tremendous boost in libido.

How long did you pulse this for or how long would you recommend? I have plenty to last me, as I have a 2 gram olive oil suspension as well as 25 mg caps, so I figure I prob have enough for 2 decent pulses.

Any input is appreciated as well as stacking ideas. I have a number of options, including epi, halodrol, 4AD.

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I pulsed it (MDHT), but it was in a regular non-pulse stack situation. I was running other orals straight through. I pulsed MDHT for 4 weeks that way. On a typical pulse, you could go 8 weeks or so with the MDHT as a standalone in the pulse. You probably wouldn't even have to worry with a PCT using that protocol. If you chose to, you could run a very short, mild PCT of Nolva at 20/10 for a short 2 week PCT.
Now regarding your stacking ideas, I would go with the wetter compound, the 4AD with the MDHT. You would have a classic type I/type II compound stack. The dosages are up to you, but remember you can go higher than normal dosages as it will be pulsed only 3 days per week.
I hope this helps you nightfly.
 
Thanks for the ideas. I was doing some research on the compound recently. interestingly, the East Germans found that 4 weeks at 25 mgs did not even suppress normal test production. That really suprised me.

I think I'll go the 8 wk pulse route. I'm unsure about putting 4AD with it just because I'm cutting and don't want to get bloated, etc. Also, it's in the trans form, so it's 12 hr sustained delivery...maybe not ideal for pulsing.

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nightfly71 said:
Thanks for the ideas. I was doing some research on the compound recently. interestingly, the East Germans found that 4 weeks at 25 mgs did not even suppress normal test production. That really suprised me.

I think I'll go the 8 wk pulse route. I'm unsure about putting 4AD with it just because I'm cutting and don't want to get bloated, etc. Also, it's in the trans form, so it's 12 hr sustained delivery...maybe not ideal for pulsing.
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2 very good reasons to not use the 4AD. Bloat/wet and long slow delivery. Not good for a pulse.
Also the Halo-drol would not be a good idea neither. Too long a half-life. 12 to 16 hours.

But the Epi.....now you're talking. You're going for a leaning out, so the Epi at maybe 30 mg. with the 50 mg. of MDHT 3 times per week......now that sounds wundebar!!! :banana:
 
Im quite sure MDHT is on the list. The product you mentioned is probably the closest you will be able to get, should be comparable if not better.
 
The One looks very similar, but I was reading that one of the tweaks done to make it different enough to be legal makes the halflife a lot longer. That's something to consider when pulsing.

I still see some Methyl Rage out there every now and then, so there still some around if you look hard enough.

Thanks again for the tips, TG. I think I may go ahead and do the epi with this pulse, but wait until maybe week four or five out of eight, so as to not push my luck too hard w/ stacking methyls. that would provide a nice, strong finish without taxing the liver more than needed.

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So, you're saying H-drol is not a good to pulse? It would seem h-drol would be a good drug to pulse since it has a long half-life of 12-16 hrs.. This would make me believe that you wouldn't have to take it as much since it doesn't really peak for sometime.
 
brahmabull said:
So, you're saying H-drol is not a good to pulse? It would seem h-drol would be a good drug to pulse since it has a long half-life of 12-16 hrs.. This would make me believe that you wouldn't have to take it as much since it doesn't really peak for sometime.
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thats also its negative. imagine you take 100mg of halo at 8am. call halflife 16 hours. so at 16 hours you have 50mg in bloodstream, at 24 hours (next dose) you still have something in the 35mg range in bloodstream. So more than a full day to clear at that point, which sort of blows the whole pulsing IMO. 40mg of superdrol taken at 8am (not a day you are doing deadlifts!) is below 10mg worth at 16 hours and definitely below threshhold of noticeable at 24 hours. Take dbols, pop 50mg @ 8am, 16 hours later its under 5mg (halflife is around 3-4 hrs)
 
So, basically, if you did try to pulse h-drol, you'd have to do it less frequently per week so it would clear out of system before the next dose like maybe twice a week? But, it's kinda a double edge sword cause this stuff takes a long time to actually "kick in" in the body. So, maybe it may not be a good one to pulse.
 
I think you'd need to take so much on monday to get a decent 1 day effect that it would still be somewhat in system wed when you took it again. at that point you may as well do a lesser dosed full cycle i'd imagine. dbols do sound pretty good for it really, or superdrol. Note that 40 is kind of high for SD and you need to lay out timing and all correctly (plus DHEA and formestane if you have it) for that not to suck
 
brahmabull said:
So, you're saying H-drol is not a good to pulse? It would seem h-drol would be a good drug to pulse since it has a long half-life of 12-16 hrs.. This would make me believe that you wouldn't have to take it as much since it doesn't really peak for sometime.
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maybe 2 on/ 2 off or
1 week on/ 1 week off?
...but I wouldn't.
 
EasyEJL said:
I think you'd need to take so much on monday to get a decent 1 day effect that it would still be somewhat in system wed when you took it again. at that point you may as well do a lesser dosed full cycle i'd imagine. dbols do sound pretty good for it really, or superdrol. Note that 40 is kind of high for SD and you need to lay out timing and all correctly (plus DHEA and formestane if you have it) for that not to suck
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Hey Easy, can you elaborate a bit on how you would use DHEA and form on an SD pulse? I have DHEA in the form of original DS Lean Xtreme and I still have a couple of bottles of E-form laying around. Thanks in advance.
 
What i worked out as the only way 40mg superdrol as a pulse didn't leave me feeling like crap was

6am 2 hrs preworkout 100-125mg of DHEA (I think lean xtreme was 7-hydroxy or 7-oxo dhea wasnt it? you may want to hit walmart for some plain dhea)
7am 1 hr preworkout 20mg superdrol
8am workout
basically right after workout shower and apply 100~125mg eform
30 min after eform 20mg superdrol

Worked great, no lethargy, and oddly no back pumps
 
I thought you were only suppose to take the dhea on the days off. Also, I thought the dose was lower than 125 mg.

Davesnothere mentioned doing a 2 on/2 off schedule. That doesn't sound like a bad idea. 100 mgs of hdrol 2 on and 2 off.
 
Update on my MDHT pulse. I'm stacking it w/ ECA, by the way nd am leaning out very nicely while still adding either lbs. or reps at nearly every workout. I've lost about 5 lbs since starting about 2 weeks ago. Libido is pretty crazy, not shedding any more than usual. Very satisfied, so far.
 
EasyEJL said:
With the superdrol, the DHEA is there more to avoid the lethargy than for stimulating hormone creation.
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Can you please explain why regular DHEA would be better in this respect than Lean Xtreme (i.e. 7-hydroxy DHEA). Thanks bro.
 
Ninjo said:
Can you please explain why regular DHEA would be better in this respect than Lean Xtreme (i.e. 7-hydroxy DHEA). Thanks bro.
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Its just from personal trials, no particular reason. I've tried 7-OH, 7-Keto, mixes and multiples, and it seems that plain DHEA works better for that for me. I'm still not sure what causes the superdrol (or other compound) lethargy
 
EasyEJL said:
Its just from personal trials, no particular reason. I've tried 7-OH, 7-Keto, mixes and multiples, and it seems that plain DHEA works better for that for me. I'm still not sure what causes the superdrol (or other compound) lethargy
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I have not yet tried Superdrol so am not sure if I'll experience the lethargy. I have heard others speak of the same effect, albeit to a lesser degree, from compounds such as Phera-plex and Epistane although I've used both of these and never had the lethargy.
 
I didn't notice it from epistane either. but superdrol at 20 I notice a little, at 30 significantly, and 40 was seriously naptime. Mind you these are all as pulsed, not a straight cycle. on a straight cycle I didn't even get much lethargy at 30 but it was spread
 
EasyEJL said:
thats also its negative. imagine you take 100mg of halo at 8am. call halflife 16 hours. so at 16 hours you have 50mg in bloodstream, at 24 hours (next dose) you still have something in the 35mg range in bloodstream. So more than a full day to clear at that point, which sort of blows the whole pulsing IMO. 40mg of superdrol taken at 8am (not a day you are doing deadlifts!) is below 10mg worth at 16 hours and definitely below threshhold of noticeable at 24 hours. Take dbols, pop 50mg @ 8am, 16 hours later its under 5mg (halflife is around 3-4 hrs)
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Great post. Never even thought of it that way. Reps!!
 
I did a pulse on Havoc, it never made me feel really good. In fact, it usually made me feel like crap. I would do 30mg 3 times per week. I did see results, but I also felt like there were a lot of side effects. It didn't treat my libido too well either.

On the other hand, I'm pulsing Superdrol right now. 10mg 2 times per week. I feel so good on this stuff. I don't get shakey or aggitated, it's very euphoric. Most importantly, my libido is through the roof and I'm also reaching my goals at a faster rate than with Havoc.
 
Delita420 said:
I did a pulse on Havoc, it never made me feel really good. In fact, it usually made me feel like crap. I would do 30mg 3 times per week. I did see results, but I also felt like there were a lot of side effects. It didn't treat my libido too well either.

On the other hand, I'm pulsing Superdrol right now. 10mg 2 times per week. I feel so good on this stuff. I don't get shakey or aggitated, it's very euphoric. Most importantly, my libido is through the roof and I'm also reaching my goals at a faster rate than with Havoc.
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WOW. That's a first in my reading. It must of really disagreed with you. SD is compared in some threads to some pretty harsh compounds.
 
Graglor said:
WOW. That's a first in my reading. It must of really disagreed with you. SD is compared in some threads to some pretty harsh compounds.
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That's just it though. Some like SD and some don't. I happen to like a 10 mg pulse every now and then. I think pulsing 10 mg 2-3 times a week witht he propoer support is still less harsh than 40-50 mg of Epi 2-3 times. I always felt better and strength went up with NO sides. To each their own. Just take the right support supps, smart dosing and correct PCT.
 
Really I think 10mg 3x a week is some pretty minimal gains, but also doesn't need much in the way of support or pct. From what I can tell from myself personally, every 40-60mg of superdrol taken is worth about a pound. so if I was pulsing at 10mg 3x a week, i'd expect to gain 2-3lbs a month. pulsed at 40 3x a week (ugh) i'd pretty well expect 2+lbs a week, but not really want to run it more than a month or so
 
EasyEJL said:
Really I think 10mg 3x a week is some pretty minimal gains, but also doesn't need much in the way of support or pct. From what I can tell from myself personally, every 40-60mg of superdrol taken is worth about a pound. so if I was pulsing at 10mg 3x a week, i'd expect to gain 2-3lbs a month. pulsed at 40 3x a week (ugh) i'd pretty well expect 2+lbs a week, but not really want to run it more than a month or so
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Good stuff Easy, Thanx!!
 
What do you guys think about a 40 or 50mg dose of epi 2 times a week. I workout full body 2 days a week one heavy lifting (load phase) and one in a higher rep range(deload phase).
 
weakestlink said:
What do you guys think about a 40 or 50mg dose of epi 2 times a week. I workout full body 2 days a week one heavy lifting (load phase) and one in a higher rep range(deload phase).
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45mg is actually the perfect pulsing dose IME. ;) Reg dose is 30mg x 1.5 = 45mg.
 
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